While I am contemplating how to fix the drain problem with our washer, I
have connected the washer to a flex tube and discharge the laundry water out
the garage. The water runs across the back yard's concrete paver and end up
ponding a little in the back alley.

Apparently one of our neighbors complained to the city and they sent a code
inspector out and told us we had to stop doing it. I said this is temporary
and if I were to wash my car there it will have the same effect. She
couldn't quote me any specific violation but told me I have to stop
immediately.

Any there usually regulations against soapy water discharge from properties?
I asked her if I have a big tub in my back yard and wash the clothes by hand
and then pour the tub's water out later will it be legal then, she said that
"might" be acceptable. I don't understand...

O

"orangetrader" wrote in message
...
While I am contemplating how to fix the drain problem with our washer, I
have connected the washer to a flex tube and discharge the laundry water
out
the garage. The water runs across the back yard's concrete paver and end
up
ponding a little in the back alley.

Apparently one of our neighbors complained to the city and they sent a
code
inspector out and told us we had to stop doing it. I said this is
temporary
and if I were to wash my car there it will have the same effect. She
couldn't quote me any specific violation but told me I have to stop
immediately.

Any there usually regulations against soapy water discharge from
properties?
I asked her if I have a big tub in my back yard and wash the clothes by
hand
and then pour the tub's water out later will it be legal then, she said
that
"might" be acceptable. I don't understand...

If they cannot cite a code, you can probably fight and win. OTOH, the city
has more money and more lawyers than you do. I'm sure they can find some
nuisance code violation if you push it. Meantime, do the laundry after
dark, the squeegee the pond to disburse it.

"orangetrader" wrote
While I am contemplating how to fix the drain problem with our washer, I
have connected the washer to a flex tube and discharge the laundry water
out
the garage. The water runs across the back yard's concrete paver and end
up
ponding a little in the back alley.

Apparently one of our neighbors complained to the city and they sent a
code
inspector out and told us we had to stop doing it. I said this is
temporary
and if I were to wash my car there it will have the same effect. She
couldn't quote me any specific violation but told me I have to stop
immediately.

Any there usually regulations against soapy water discharge from
properties?
I asked her if I have a big tub in my back yard and wash the clothes by
hand
and then pour the tub's water out later will it be legal then, she said
that
"might" be acceptable. I don't understand...

I find it hard to believe the code enforcer did not immediately deem the
liquid waste water as "sewage".

Why would it be sewage? It is gray water not black water. If you wash your
car is the water runoff "sewage"?

O

"Doc" wrote in message
...

"orangetrader" wrote
While I am contemplating how to fix the drain problem with our washer, I
have connected the washer to a flex tube and discharge the laundry water
out
the garage. The water runs across the back yard's concrete paver and
end
up
ponding a little in the back alley.

Apparently one of our neighbors complained to the city and they sent a
code
inspector out and told us we had to stop doing it. I said this is
temporary
and if I were to wash my car there it will have the same effect. She
couldn't quote me any specific violation but told me I have to stop
immediately.

Any there usually regulations against soapy water discharge from
properties?
I asked her if I have a big tub in my back yard and wash the clothes by
hand
and then pour the tub's water out later will it be legal then, she said
that
"might" be acceptable. I don't understand...

I find it hard to believe the code enforcer did not immediately deem the
liquid waste water as "sewage".

"orangetrader" wrote
Why would it be sewage? It is gray water not black water. If you wash
your
car is the water runoff "sewage"?

So, you think it would be ok to run your tub water, kitchen sink water,
dishwater water, lav water, and all other water from your home except toilet
water outside onto the lawn?

For your question regarding sewage on a car. I guess if you **** in it and
then rinse the **** onto the sidewalk, there would be issues.

On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 20:40:29 GMT, "Doc" wrote:


"orangetrader" wrote
Why would it be sewage? It is gray water not black water. If you wash
your
car is the water runoff "sewage"?

So, you think it would be ok to run your tub water, kitchen sink water,
dishwater water, lav water, and all other water from your home except toilet
water outside onto the lawn?

For your question regarding sewage on a car. I guess if you **** in it and
then rinse the **** onto the sidewalk, there would be issues.


If the wastewater comes from a toilet, it's SEWAGE ( black-water )

if it comes from a shower, sink, washer, etc.... it's GRAY WATER

In many places gray water is perfectly legal for lawns, gardens, etc.


rj

"RJ" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 20:40:29 GMT, "Doc" wrote:


"orangetrader" wrote
Why would it be sewage? It is gray water not black water. If you wash
your
car is the water runoff "sewage"?

So, you think it would be ok to run your tub water, kitchen sink water,
dishwater water, lav water, and all other water from your home except
toilet
water outside onto the lawn?

For your question regarding sewage on a car. I guess if you **** in it and
then rinse the **** onto the sidewalk, there would be issues.


If the wastewater comes from a toilet, it's SEWAGE ( black-water )

if it comes from a shower, sink, washer, etc.... it's GRAY WATER

In many places gray water is perfectly legal for lawns, gardens, etc.


rj

Perhaps the OP should dump the grey water into his lawn?

On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 15:31:43 -0700, "RJ"
wrote:

If the wastewater comes from a toilet, it's SEWAGE ( black-water )

if it comes from a shower, sink, washer, etc.... it's GRAY WATER

In many places gray water is perfectly legal for lawns, gardens, etc.


Except during a prolonged drought when the watering of gardens is
banned. There is no way they can tell if its potable water or gray
water and they are not about to send out a inspector to check.
Therefore if your lawn looks refreshingly green because you had been
using gray water, watering is watering and you get fined for violating
the ban.

orangetrader wrote:
Why would it be sewage? It is gray water not black water. If you
wash your car is the water runoff "sewage"?

The generally accepted definition of sewage is " waste matter carried
away in sewers or drains ".

Water runoff from a car wash isn't sewage. Unless it is a commercial
car wash and the drain is plumbed to a sewer or drain.

You are ****ing kidding me, right? I gotta say if my neighbor were
draining ANYTHING into an open area, yea, I'd complain too. How the
hell are your neighbors supposed to know what you are draining?

Jesus dude, have some respect for the people around you. Drain your
****ing laundy into your bathtub.

"Matt" wrote

You are ****ing kidding me, right? I gotta say if my neighbor were
draining ANYTHING into an open area, yea, I'd complain too. How the
hell are your neighbors supposed to know what you are draining?

Jesus dude, have some respect for the people around you. Drain your
****ing laundy into your bathtub.


Matty the Moron said:
"have some respect for the people around you"

Then he said:
You are ****ing kidding me, right?
How the hell
Drain your ****ing laundy

Some might find Matty's grammar offensive, don't you think?

Would this be less offensive and show more respect for others:

You are kidding me, right? I gotta say if my neighbor were
draining ANYTHING into an open area, yea, I'd complain too. How
are your neighbors supposed to know what you are draining?

Have some respect for the people around you. Drain your
laundry into your bathtub.

Means about the same doesn't it?

"Ed" wrote in message
...

"Matt" wrote

You are ****ing kidding me, right? I gotta say if my neighbor were
draining ANYTHING into an open area, yea, I'd complain too. How the
hell are your neighbors supposed to know what you are draining?

Jesus dude, have some respect for the people around you. Drain your
****ing laundy into your bathtub.


Matty the Moron said:
"have some respect for the people around you"

Then he said:
You are ****ing kidding me, right?
How the hell
Drain your ****ing laundy

Some might find Matty's grammar offensive, don't you think?

Would this be less offensive and show more respect for others:

You are kidding me, right? I gotta say if my neighbor were
draining ANYTHING into an open area, yea, I'd complain too. How
are your neighbors supposed to know what you are draining?

Have some respect for the people around you. Drain your
laundry into your bathtub.

Means about the same doesn't it?

****in' A it does!

Some might find Matty's grammar offensive, don't you think?

Who the **** died and made you protector of the world, you snivelling
little bitch?

Your best bet is to continue growing your kiddie porn collection, and
staying out of the advice giving business, dickhEaD.

My neighbor knows because when I did it the first time I made sure I let
them know what that was and assured them it will only last a couple of weeks
until I can get it fixed. The know it is water and soap.

and I am not Jesus, nor am I dude.

O

"Matt" wrote in message
oups.com...
You are ****ing kidding me, right? I gotta say if my neighbor were
draining ANYTHING into an open area, yea, I'd complain too. How the
hell are your neighbors supposed to know what you are draining?

Jesus dude, have some respect for the people around you. Drain your
****ing laundy into your bathtub.

On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 20:40:22 -0500, orangetrader wrote:

My neighbor knows because when I did it the first time I made sure I let
them know what that was and assured them it will only last a couple of weeks
until I can get it fixed. The know it is water and soap.

And how long have you been doing it.....? Two weeks, or is it longer than
that?

I agree with the other guy... I'd report your dumb ass too.

--
If you're not on the edge, you're taking up too much space.
Linux Registered User #327951

On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:55:25 -0500, "orangetrader"
wrote:

While I am contemplating how to fix the drain problem with our washer, I
have connected the washer to a flex tube and discharge the laundry water out
the garage. The water runs across the back yard's concrete paver and end up
ponding a little in the back alley.

Apparently one of our neighbors complained to the city and they sent a code
inspector out and told us we had to stop doing it. I said this is temporary
and if I were to wash my car there it will have the same effect. She
couldn't quote me any specific violation but told me I have to stop
immediately.

Any there usually regulations against soapy water discharge from properties?
I asked her if I have a big tub in my back yard and wash the clothes by hand
and then pour the tub's water out later will it be legal then, she said that
"might" be acceptable. I don't understand...

O

It would depend completely upon where you live, but here in Arizona it
is legal to install a gray water system. You can read the highlights
of the regulation here. Click on the Using Gray Water at Home link.
http://az.gov/webapp/portal/SearchSe...+water&x=0&y=0

Some of the primary considerations a (1) You must contain the water
within your own property; (2) It cannot pool where humans can walk in
it; (3) It must have a diverter valve where the water can be diverted
back into the septic/sewer system if there is a problem; (4) It can
only be used for irrigation; (5) Can only be used for bathroom
sinks/shower/tub and laundry. Cannot be used for kitchen sink or dish
washer because of the presence of food particles. Cannot be used for
laundry if diapers or similar is washed in it.

In your case, if you were in Arizona, you would be in trouble because
of the water leaving your property and also pooling.

Dick

Dick wrote:
On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:55:25 -0500, "orangetrader"
wrote:


While I am contemplating how to fix the drain problem with our washer, I
have connected the washer to a flex tube and discharge the laundry water out
the garage. The water runs across the back yard's concrete paver and end up
ponding a little in the back alley.

Apparently one of our neighbors complained to the city and they sent a code
inspector out and told us we had to stop doing it. I said this is temporary
and if I were to wash my car there it will have the same effect. She
couldn't quote me any specific violation but told me I have to stop
immediately.

Any there usually regulations against soapy water discharge from properties?
I asked her if I have a big tub in my back yard and wash the clothes by hand
and then pour the tub's water out later will it be legal then, she said that
"might" be acceptable. I don't understand...

O


It would depend completely upon where you live, but here in Arizona it
is legal to install a gray water system. You can read the highlights
of the regulation here. Click on the Using Gray Water at Home link.
http://az.gov/webapp/portal/SearchSe...+water&x=0&y=0

Some of the primary considerations a (1) You must contain the water
within your own property; (2) It cannot pool where humans can walk in
it; (3) It must have a diverter valve where the water can be diverted
back into the septic/sewer system if there is a problem; (4) It can
only be used for irrigation; (5) Can only be used for bathroom
sinks/shower/tub and laundry. Cannot be used for kitchen sink or dish
washer because of the presence of food particles. Cannot be used for
laundry if diapers or similar is washed in it.

In your case, if you were in Arizona, you would be in trouble because
of the water leaving your property and also pooling.

Dick
Hi,
AZ is water hungry place. They would treat water with more respect!
Tony

In alt.home.repair on Sat, 26 Feb 2005 15:10:17 -0700 Dick
LeadWinger posted:


It would depend completely upon where you live, but here in Arizona it
is legal to install a gray water system. You can read the highlights
of the regulation here. Click on the Using Gray Water at Home link.
http://az.gov/webapp/portal/SearchSe...+water&x=0&y=0

Some of the primary considerations a (1) You must contain the water
within your own property; (2) It cannot pool where humans can walk in
it; (3) It must have a diverter valve where the water can be diverted
back into the septic/sewer system if there is a problem; (4) It can
only be used for irrigation; (5) Can only be used for bathroom
sinks/shower/tub and laundry. Cannot be used for kitchen sink or dish
washer because of the presence of food particles. Cannot be used for
laundry if diapers or similar is washed in it.

In your case, if you were in Arizona, you would be in trouble because
of the water leaving your property and also pooling.

OFF TOPIC to the original question, but in 1958, the Whirlpool washer
my mother bought had a sudsmiser option. The washing machine
discharged the wash water to a laundry tub and discharged the rinse
water to a tube that went straight to the drain in the same laundry
tub. Then for the second load of laundry, it would suck up the still
hot and soapy water for the wash cycle, and I guess this time it would
discharge it through the tube.

Of course this wouldn't work with me and my laundry. My wash water is
so dirty when it discharges sometimes, I start over at the beginning
with clean wash water and more soap.

I haven't seen the Sudsmiser option on any machine other than the one
my mother had.

Dick


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"meirman" wrote in message

OFF TOPIC to the original question, but in 1958, the Whirlpool washer
my mother bought had a sudsmiser option. The washing machine
discharged the wash water to a laundry tub and discharged the rinse
water to a tube that went straight to the drain in the same laundry
tub. Then for the second load of laundry, it would suck up the still
hot and soapy water for the wash cycle, and I guess this time it would
discharge it through the tube.

I haven't seen the Sudsmiser option on any machine other than the one
my mother had.

I remember that. Years ago most laundry was done in the basement or a
laundry room that had a big double tub and the machine emptied into the tub.
Today, you are likely to find the machine emptying into a stand pipe and the
whole thing tucked into a bathroom or closet.

If you go back to the old wringer washer, it was common to do a couple of
batches in the soapy water before draining and rinsing the clothing. Then
the wet stuff was hung outside. Apartments had lines strung out the window
on a pulley.
--
Ed
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/

In alt.home.repair on Sun, 27 Feb 2005 13:26:01 GMT "Edwin Pawlowski"
posted:


"meirman" wrote in message

OFF TOPIC to the original question, but in 1958, the Whirlpool washer
my mother bought had a sudsmiser option. The washing machine
discharged the wash water to a laundry tub and discharged the rinse
water to a tube that went straight to the drain in the same laundry
tub. Then for the second load of laundry, it would suck up the still
hot and soapy water for the wash cycle, and I guess this time it would
discharge it through the tube.

I haven't seen the Sudsmiser option on any machine other than the one
my mother had.

I remember that. Years ago most laundry was done in the basement or a
laundry room that had a big double tub and the machine emptied into the tub.

We only had a single tub, and I guess I didn't say it but the rinse
water drained out through that tube, surrounded by the wash water in
the same tub. When I was 10 this was very impressive.

Today, you are likely to find the machine emptying into a stand pipe and the
whole thing tucked into a bathroom or closet.

Yeah.

If you go back to the old wringer washer, it was common to do a couple of
batches in the soapy water before draining and rinsing the clothing. Then

Off topic from the off-topic, but in NYC for quite a few years around
the turn of the century, 1900, it was illegal to take a bath. Because
it was so much effort to heat the water on the stove, more than one
person would bath in the same water, and it spread diseases. (They
would hang the tub outside the kitchen window, between the buildings,
when not using it.)

I guess if you had a hot water heater connected to a real tub, baths
were not illegal, but people from the tenements were expected to go to
the public baths, which I think were showers.

the wet stuff was hung outside. Apartments had lines strung out the window
on a pulley.

They still sell that pulley. I mention this because for some reason I
have one, but I can't return it since i don't have the receipt and
don't remember where I bought it.

My mother dried clothes outside until 1966, but we had a yard. And
wooden clothespoles to hold up the clothesline. For 10 years in
Brooklyn I had a washing machine, 2 consecutive ones that I found in
the trash on the street, both easy to repair. But I never found a
drier, so I dried my clothes on the shower bar. Cotton/polyester
dries very quickly. Towels take a whole day, and come out stiff, but
the stiffness goes away the first time they're used.

Meirman
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Wow-- That is a blast from the past. My mother also bought a new
Whirlpool washer right around 1958. I remember now hearing the term
"Susmiser". I don't think she ever used it though. What I do remember is
that the machine lit up like a juke box-- it was beautiful when it was
on in the dark (it was in the garage) Also, it had an electrically
operated latch on the lid, which quit working after a few years-- my
mother would open it by giving it a whack with her fist right in the
center of the lid. The timer had a chain that moved the indicator across
a horizontal panel that indicated the cycles. The first time the chain
jumped off, in about 1963, I watched the repairman fix it (I was 12) and
then I fixed it myself the next 3 or 4 tines it jumped off. She finally
bought a new machine in about 1966-- a Sears that was a much more basic
machine. I think my Dad picked out the fancy W/P machine.

In alt.home.repair on Sun, 27 Feb 2005 19:39:49 -0600
(lp13-30) posted:

Wow-- That is a blast from the past. My mother also bought a new
Whirlpool washer right around 1958. I remember now hearing the term
"Susmiser". I don't think she ever used it though. What I do remember is
that the machine lit up like a juke box-- it was beautiful when it was
on in the dark (it was in the garage) Also, it had an electrically
operated latch on the lid, which quit working after a few years-- my
mother would open it by giving it a whack with her fist right in the
center of the lid. The timer had a chain that moved the indicator across
a horizontal panel that indicated the cycles. The first time the chain
jumped off, in about 1963, I watched the repairman fix it (I was 12) and
then I fixed it myself the next 3 or 4 tines it jumped off. She finally
bought a new machine in about 1966-- a Sears that was a much more basic
machine. I think my Dad picked out the fancy W/P machine.

Sounds like the same model. My mother picked it out. Washer and
dryer, both pink. Few or no lights though. Had it for 9 years in
Indianapolis and another 10 in Allentown. Sold them for 50 dollars
each when she moved to a place with not enough space. They were good
as new. (Except when they moved to Pa. from Ind., they had to unload
the moving van in Ohio. A trucker's strike had just started in Pa.
and the truckers were shooting at non-union drivers. After the strike
they reloaded my mother's stuff, and bashed in one rear to corner of
the dryer.)

I later had an old whirlpool, but didn't use it often enough, and the
main bearing holding the basket rusted shut. For one reason or
another I probably went a month or two once without using it. If I
had used it more often, would have lasted 10 more years.

Meirman
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orangetrader wrote:
While I am contemplating how to fix the drain problem with our
washer, I have connected the washer to a flex tube and discharge the
laundry water out the garage. The water runs across the back yard's
concrete paver and end up ponding a little in the back alley.

Apparently one of our neighbors complained to the city and they sent
a code inspector out and told us we had to stop doing it. I said
this is temporary and if I were to wash my car there it will have the
same effect. She couldn't quote me any specific violation but told
me I have to stop immediately.

Any there usually regulations against soapy water discharge from
properties? I asked her if I have a big tub in my back yard and wash
the clothes by hand and then pour the tub's water out later will it
be legal then, she said that "might" be acceptable. I don't
understand...

O

Do it right. You already have at least one neighbor mad at you and you
may end up with the lot of them hating you. I would be a poor bureaucrac
indeed who could not come up with some law to throw at you. I suspect it is
covered anyway.

--
Joseph Meehan

26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math

orangetrader wrote:
While I am contemplating how to fix the drain problem with our washer, I
have connected the washer to a flex tube and discharge the laundry water out
the garage. The water runs across the back yard's concrete paver and end up
ponding a little in the back alley.

Apparently one of our neighbors complained to the city and they sent a code
inspector out and told us we had to stop doing it. I said this is temporary
and if I were to wash my car there it will have the same effect. She
couldn't quote me any specific violation but told me I have to stop
immediately.

Any there usually regulations against soapy water discharge from properties?
I asked her if I have a big tub in my back yard and wash the clothes by hand
and then pour the tub's water out later will it be legal then, she said that
"might" be acceptable. I don't understand...

O


Hi,
In my city washing car at home is illegal, what you are doing is illegal
here. = pollution. Most soap is non-biodegradable.
Your local government may be different.
You mean your house has grey water drain problem?
Tony

"Tony Hwang" wrote
Hi,
In my city washing car at home is illegal, what you are doing is illegal
here. = pollution. Most soap is non-biodegradable.

Any laundry detergent I've heard of is completely biodegradable.

"Any laundry detergent I've heard of is completely biodegradable."

That's for sure. Plus I don't think I'd live in a city where you
normally can't wash a car at home. Where the hell is that?

wrote:
"Any laundry detergent I've heard of is completely biodegradable."

That's for sure. Plus I don't think I'd live in a city where you
normally can't wash a car at home. Where the hell is that?

Hi,
Calgary Alberta. My brother worked for city water department. It's bylaw
often not reinforced but one can get ticket. We're talking about storm
sewer water recycling, oil industry water reccycling,
water conserving fixtures in all new houses, program for people to swap
out old toilets, water meter, etc.
We're trying to be ready years from now. Water is getting scarce even
here. Every drop counts. Older brush car wash place is being phased out.
No touch brushless water conserving ultrasonic car wash is taking over.
U.S. is No. 1 energy user/polluter in the world. U.S. better take a lead
in this field as well.
Tony

"Tony Hwang" wrote in message
news:eH7Ud.516718$6l.281058@pd7tw2no...
wrote:
"Any laundry detergent I've heard of is completely biodegradable."

That's for sure. Plus I don't think I'd live in a city where you
normally can't wash a car at home. Where the hell is that?

Hi,
Calgary Alberta. My brother worked for city water department. It's bylaw
often not reinforced but one can get ticket. We're talking about storm
sewer water recycling, oil industry water reccycling,
water conserving fixtures in all new houses, program for people to swap
out old toilets, water meter, etc.
We're trying to be ready years from now. Water is getting scarce even
here. Every drop counts. Older brush car wash place is being phased out.
No touch brushless water conserving ultrasonic car wash is taking over.
U.S. is No. 1 energy user/polluter in the world. U.S. better take a lead
in this field as well.
Tony

Screw you Canucks. Eat our acid rain and shut your pieholes.

"Hi,
Calgary Alberta. My brother worked for city water department. It's
bylaw
often not reinforced but one can get ticket. We're talking about storm
sewer water recycling, oil industry water reccycling,
water conserving fixtures in all new houses, program for people to swap

out old toilets, water meter, etc.
We're trying to be ready years from now. Water is getting scarce even
here. Every drop counts. Older brush car wash place is being phased
out.
No touch brushless water conserving ultrasonic car wash is taking over.

U.S. is No. 1 energy user/polluter in the world. U.S. better take a
lead
in this field as well.
Tony "


Thanks for the tip Tony. I did a little checking on Alberta after your
post and I was right, I sure as hell wouldn't want to live there. I
looked at the municipal water dept rules and it looks like there is no
immediate water shortage, but Calgary does have a water use
restricition plan for times of drought or emergency. Guess what, even
here, in the US, most municipalites, including my own, have that.

It appears however, that the reason Calgary has their shorts in a knot
over car washing is that some environmental kooks think this is some
big source of pollution going into the storm drains. Here's an excerpt
from a Canadian website that's driving this whole idea:
http://www.forester.net/sw_0205_take.html

"A municipality that has limited driveway car washing is Calgary, AB,
on the Bow River. Although car washing is not expressly forbidden, the
Drainage Bylaw states that there can be no deleterious discharge from a
property to the storm sewer system. The city fines violators $300 and
enforces the bylaw through a snitch line. Convicting violators is
probably not the point, but the symbolism is powerful."

Nice system, complete with snitch line. And everyone should go read
the basis and rational used to come up with the idea that people
washing their car is a major source of pollution worth fixing.

Facts like "the results of a study of highway runoff toxicity by the
National Water Research Institute (NWRI), which characterized car
detritus as one of the major nonpoint sources of heavy metals, oil and
grease, and other components, such as rubber. NWRI concluded that road
runoff contains potential, confirmed, or severe toxicity in
three-fifths of all samples"

Now that's a real gem. What the hell does road run off have to do with
washing your car? One would think that the major components of
pollution on the road are left there from tire wear, oil dripping,
transmission leaks, etc., which the excerpt even lists. Has anyone
shown that what is typically on a car in the form of dirt is the same,
or even close to the same? And then we have the fact that millions of
miles of roadway gets washed down with every rainfall and where does
that all go? It all goes untreated right into storm sewers and then
into rivers, lakes and streams. Now how much does that contribute to
pollution as compared to some people occasional washing off their cars?
And doesn't it snow up there? What does Calgary put on the roads
when it's icey? Isn't that a far more significant contributor to
pollution to streams than your neighbor washing his car?

And if that isn't all stupid enough, if you look at Calgary water use
restrictions, unless there is a water emergency, you can still wash off
your driveway, house, etc., just not your car. Don't these other
things have dirt that's quite similar, especially the driveway?

So, my conclusion is this is just another example of some environmental
whackos going to the extreme. You know the type. They tell us we
shouldn't wash our car, while they drive SUVs that get 15 miles to the
gallon on weekend ski trips, or think nothing of how much pollution
their jet trip to Paris created or how much water it took to fill
bathroom spa. There are lots of things that are being done to protect
the environment. But keeping people from washing their cars isn't one
of them.

In article ,
says...

Apparently one of our neighbors complained to the city and they sent a code
inspector out and told us we had to stop doing it. I said this is temporary
and if I were to wash my car there it will have the same effect. She
couldn't quote me any specific violation but told me I have to stop
immediately.

This would be a definite health and safety violation in many
jurisdictions. Laundry discharge can be quite hazardous if you happen to
have a household resident carrying infectious diseases. Maybe you don't
wash cloth diapers or soiled bedding, but the regulations are designed to
protect the public from people who do.

--
is Joshua Putnam
http://www.phred.org/~josh/
Books for Bicycle Mechanics and Tinkerers:
http://www.phred.org/~josh/bike/bikebooks.html

orangetrader wrote:
While I am contemplating how to fix the drain problem with our
washer, I have connected the washer to a flex tube and discharge the
laundry water out the garage. The water runs across the back yard's
concrete paver and end up ponding a little in the back alley.

Apparently one of our neighbors complained to the city and they sent
a code inspector out and told us we had to stop doing it. I said
this is temporary and if I were to wash my car there it will have the
same effect. She couldn't quote me any specific violation but told
me I have to stop immediately.

Any there usually regulations against soapy water discharge from
properties? I asked her if I have a big tub in my back yard and wash
the clothes by hand and then pour the tub's water out later will it
be legal then, she said that "might" be acceptable. I don't
understand...

O

It is interesting that the question is about the neighbors reactions to
your actions and not a question on how to fix the drain problem. I guess
that explains where your priorities are.

--
Joseph Meehan

26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math

That's not entirely true, I just needed some time to research the problem
and find the best solution possible.

O

"Joseph Meehan" wrote in message
...
orangetrader wrote:
While I am contemplating how to fix the drain problem with our
washer, I have connected the washer to a flex tube and discharge the
laundry water out the garage. The water runs across the back yard's
concrete paver and end up ponding a little in the back alley.

Apparently one of our neighbors complained to the city and they sent
a code inspector out and told us we had to stop doing it. I said
this is temporary and if I were to wash my car there it will have the
same effect. She couldn't quote me any specific violation but told
me I have to stop immediately.

Any there usually regulations against soapy water discharge from
properties? I asked her if I have a big tub in my back yard and wash
the clothes by hand and then pour the tub's water out later will it
be legal then, she said that "might" be acceptable. I don't
understand...

O

It is interesting that the question is about the neighbors reactions
to
your actions and not a question on how to fix the drain problem. I guess
that explains where your priorities are.

--
Joseph Meehan

26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math

On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 20:25:28 -0500, orangetrader wrote:

It is interesting that the question is about the neighbors reactions to
your actions and not a question on how to fix the drain problem. I guess
that explains where your priorities are.

That's not entirely true, I just needed some time to research the problem
and find the best solution possible.

So what have you decided to do?

I mean, what else is there to do, except FIX the "drain problem"?

--
If you're not on the edge, you're taking up too much space.
Linux Registered User #327951

There are several ways to fix the problem, from riping up the kitchen tile
and open a minimum 18" x 18" hole through the concrete slab and replace the
PVC pipe from above - cost: $1750 + cabinet + tile + counter top
replacement, or trench a lateral tunnel 6 feet long from the side of the
house and at least 7 feet deep to get under the 3' deep footing for about
$3000 minimum, to other solutions. They are all tricky and they are all
expensive. Why do you all assume this is a half day roll up your sleeve and
do it solution?

O

"Dan C" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 20:25:28 -0500, orangetrader wrote:

It is interesting that the question is about the neighbors reactions to
your actions and not a question on how to fix the drain problem. I
guess
that explains where your priorities are.

That's not entirely true, I just needed some time to research the
problem
and find the best solution possible.

So what have you decided to do?

I mean, what else is there to do, except FIX the "drain problem"?

--
If you're not on the edge, you're taking up too much space.
Linux Registered User #327951

On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 22:36:41 -0500, orangetrader wrote:

There are several ways to fix the problem, from riping up the kitchen tile
and open a minimum 18" x 18" hole through the concrete slab and replace the
PVC pipe from above - cost: $1750 + cabinet + tile + counter top
replacement, or trench a lateral tunnel 6 feet long from the side of the
house and at least 7 feet deep to get under the 3' deep footing for about
$3000 minimum, to other solutions. They are all tricky and they are all
expensive. Why do you all assume this is a half day roll up your sleeve and
do it solution?

Perhaps I assumed that because you haven't given any details about what
the problem was with the drain. Is it clogged? Broken?

As for the fix, it doesn't cost that much money to dig a trench. I'll
come over and do it for only $1000 if you'd like.

--
If you're not on the edge, you're taking up too much space.
Linux Registered User #327951

orangetrader wrote:
There are several ways to fix the problem, from riping up the kitchen
tile
and open a minimum 18" x 18" hole through the concrete slab and
replace the
PVC pipe from above - cost: $1750 + cabinet + tile + counter top
replacement, or trench a lateral tunnel 6 feet long from the side of
the
house and at least 7 feet deep to get under the 3' deep footing for
about
$3000 minimum, to other solutions. They are all tricky and they are
all
expensive. Why do you all assume this is a half day roll up your
sleeve and
do it solution?

You might want to check out these technologies:

http://www.zoompower.com/bursting.htm
http://www.perma-liner.com/lateral.html

I had the pipebursting one done. Replaced 10 ft of cast iron and 50 ft
of badly rooted terracotta. To have done it the "old way" would have
required losing some trees and shrubs, plus cost of relandscaping.

Both of those links above show a pit dug next to the house. In my case,
it made more sense to cut the slab floor of the basement so as to pass
the new pipe under the foundation. That was a 4 ft deep hole, as
opposed to 12' deep in the front yard.

To research this yourself, search terms are

sewer lateral
trenchless
no-dig
pipebursting
relining
cured-in-place liner
CIPP

in various combinations.

%mod%

On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:55:25 -0500, "orangetrader"
wrote:

While I am contemplating how to fix the drain problem with our washer, I
have connected the washer to a flex tube and discharge the laundry water out
the garage. The water runs across the back yard's concrete paver and end up
ponding a little in the back alley.

Apparently one of our neighbors complained to the city and they sent a code
inspector out and told us we had to stop doing it. I said this is temporary

I wrote my state epa asking codes that effect using washer rinse water
for watering the yard. They gave me a reply that matches what you
got, don't do it. Read as I match up what I received to your post.


and if I were to wash my car there it will have the same effect. She

No not the same, laundry water its typically contaiminated with human
fecal/body waste bacteria, unlike your car I HOPE.

couldn't quote me any specific violation but told me I have to stop
immediately.

Code violation I could have faced was discharge of untreated human
waste. The lady from the state referenced many pa waste water laws,
that referenced the safety of laundry grey water, and one researcher
commented how laundry water is always contaiminated with fecal waste
bacteria, more often than the house hold toliet.


Any there usually regulations against soapy water discharge from properties?

No regs for just soapy water, since soapy water is a natural
insectiside and rocommended, but as posted up top, you water contains
more than soap.

I asked her if I have a big tub in my back yard and wash the clothes by hand
and then pour the tub's water out later will it be legal then, she said that
"might" be acceptable. I don't understand...

"might" will get you a ticket. If a cop says something might be
lawful, and you do it and get ticketed, you will have no defense
saying a cop said, "it might be lawful".


O



hth,

tom

The Real Tom wrote:
On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:55:25 -0500, "orangetrader"
wrote:

While I am contemplating how to fix the drain problem with our
washer, I have connected the washer to a flex tube and discharge the
laundry water out the garage. The water runs across the back yard's
concrete paver and end up ponding a little in the back alley.

Apparently one of our neighbors complained to the city and they sent
a code inspector out and told us we had to stop doing it. I said
this is temporary

I wrote my state epa asking codes that effect using washer rinse water
for watering the yard. They gave me a reply that matches what you
got, don't do it. Read as I match up what I received to your post.


and if I were to wash my car there it will have the same effect. She

No not the same, laundry water its typically contaiminated with human
fecal/body waste bacteria, unlike your car I HOPE.

couldn't quote me any specific violation but told me I have to stop
immediately.

Code violation I could have faced was discharge of untreated human
waste. The lady from the state referenced many pa waste water laws,
that referenced the safety of laundry grey water, and one researcher
commented how laundry water is always contaiminated with fecal waste
bacteria, more often than the house hold toliet.


Any there usually regulations against soapy water discharge from
properties?

No regs for just soapy water, since soapy water is a natural
insectiside and rocommended, but as posted up top, you water contains
more than soap.

There would be regs for soapy water from washing a car in some
watersheds.


I asked her if I have a big tub in my back yard and wash the clothes
by hand and then pour the tub's water out later will it be legal
then, she said that "might" be acceptable. I don't understand...

"might" will get you a ticket. If a cop says something might be
lawful, and you do it and get ticketed, you will have no defense
saying a cop said, "it might be lawful".


O



hth,

tom

--
Joseph Meehan

26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math

On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 18:08:14 GMT, "Joseph Meehan"
wrote:

The Real Tom wrote:
On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:55:25 -0500, "orangetrader"
wrote:

While I am contemplating how to fix the drain problem with our
washer, I have connected the washer to a flex tube and discharge the
laundry water out the garage. The water runs across the back yard's
concrete paver and end up ponding a little in the back alley.

Apparently one of our neighbors complained to the city and they sent
a code inspector out and told us we had to stop doing it. I said
this is temporary

I wrote my state epa asking codes that effect using washer rinse water
for watering the yard. They gave me a reply that matches what you
got, don't do it. Read as I match up what I received to your post.


and if I were to wash my car there it will have the same effect. She

No not the same, laundry water its typically contaiminated with human
fecal/body waste bacteria, unlike your car I HOPE.

couldn't quote me any specific violation but told me I have to stop
immediately.

Code violation I could have faced was discharge of untreated human
waste. The lady from the state referenced many pa waste water laws,
that referenced the safety of laundry grey water, and one researcher
commented how laundry water is always contaiminated with fecal waste
bacteria, more often than the house hold toliet.


Any there usually regulations against soapy water discharge from
properties?

No regs for just soapy water, since soapy water is a natural
insectiside and rocommended, but as posted up top, you water contains
more than soap.

There would be regs for soapy water from washing a car in some
watersheds.



Very Good point, I never investigated water shed issues, since I
believe I do not live in one.

later,

tom @ www.love-calculators.com






I asked her if I have a big tub in my back yard and wash the clothes
by hand and then pour the tub's water out later will it be legal
then, she said that "might" be acceptable. I don't understand...

"might" will get you a ticket. If a cop says something might be
lawful, and you do it and get ticketed, you will have no defense
saying a cop said, "it might be lawful".


O



hth,

tom

Very Good point, I never investigated water shed issues, since I
believe I do not live in one.


There are two definitions of "watershed" in the US; one of them
is the area that drains into a specific body of water, (usually
a river). The other is wrong. But the word is used as a synonym
for "divide", as in "the Great Divide", which (again, in the US)
names the border between the pacific watershed and the atlantic.

If your house is build on the ground, you live on a watershed.

--Goedjn