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Is there a hinge like this?
(Cross-posted to rec.woodworking, alt.home.repair)
A little bit of amateur bathroom remodeling/cabinetry going on here. And a little bit of finding myself backed into a (hardware) corner by not researching hinges before starting the project. I've built a new medicine cabinet flush into the plaster wall above the sink. The cabinet sides are made of 3/4'' MDF and I plan to hang a cabinet door over the front of the cabinet, same width as the outside dim of the cabinet. I want as little hardware to show as possible, but the stiles on the cabinet door are narrow, to accommodate a mirror and its backing, so I can't use "Euro" hidden hinges. A 2'' narrow loose pin "utility" hinge would do the job but the ones I've found would require drilling into the edge of the cabinet's MDF sides -- I don't get a real sense that this is going to be very secure. I have a sketch of the kind of hinge I'd like to use -- it's like that 2'' utility hinge but with one long leaf, folded back. The local HD and Lowe's have no such thing, and it may not exist. Please see my admittedly crude drawing at http://users.adelphia.net/~elliottfamily/hinge.gif -- Mike "Rocket J Squirrel" Elliott 71 Type 2: the Wonderbus 84 Westphalia: "Mellow Yellow (The Electrical Banana)" KG6RCR |
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try this link:
http://www.richelieu.com/produits/po...t.php?id=11889 might be good for what you need Chris Melanson BLH Millwork LTD. "Mike Rocket J. Squirrel Elliott" et wrote in message ... (Cross-posted to rec.woodworking, alt.home.repair) A little bit of amateur bathroom remodeling/cabinetry going on here. And a little bit of finding myself backed into a (hardware) corner by not researching hinges before starting the project. I've built a new medicine cabinet flush into the plaster wall above the sink. The cabinet sides are made of 3/4'' MDF and I plan to hang a cabinet door over the front of the cabinet, same width as the outside dim of the cabinet. I want as little hardware to show as possible, but the stiles on the cabinet door are narrow, to accommodate a mirror and its backing, so I can't use "Euro" hidden hinges. A 2'' narrow loose pin "utility" hinge would do the job but the ones I've found would require drilling into the edge of the cabinet's MDF sides -- I don't get a real sense that this is going to be very secure. I have a sketch of the kind of hinge I'd like to use -- it's like that 2'' utility hinge but with one long leaf, folded back. The local HD and Lowe's have no such thing, and it may not exist. Please see my admittedly crude drawing at http://users.adelphia.net/~elliottfamily/hinge.gif -- Mike "Rocket J Squirrel" Elliott 71 Type 2: the Wonderbus 84 Westphalia: "Mellow Yellow (The Electrical Banana)" KG6RCR |
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"Mike Rocket J. Squirrel Elliott" et wrote in message ... (Cross-posted to rec.woodworking, alt.home.repair) A little bit of amateur bathroom remodeling/cabinetry going on here. And a little bit of finding myself backed into a (hardware) corner by not researching hinges before starting the project. I've built a new medicine cabinet flush into the plaster wall above the sink. The cabinet sides are made of 3/4'' MDF and I plan to hang a cabinet door over the front of the cabinet, same width as the outside dim of the cabinet. I want as little hardware to show as possible, but the stiles on the cabinet door are narrow, to accommodate a mirror and its backing, so I can't use "Euro" hidden hinges. A 2'' narrow loose pin "utility" hinge would do the job but the ones I've found would require drilling into the edge of the cabinet's MDF sides -- I don't get a real sense that this is going to be very secure. I have a sketch of the kind of hinge I'd like to use -- it's like that 2'' utility hinge but with one long leaf, folded back. The local HD and Lowe's have no such thing, and it may not exist. Please see my admittedly crude drawing at http://users.adelphia.net/~elliottfamily/hinge.gif -- Mike "Rocket J Squirrel" Elliott 71 Type 2: the Wonderbus 84 Westphalia: "Mellow Yellow (The Electrical Banana)" KG6RCR Would something like this work? http://www.rockler.com/ecom7/product...erings_id=1159 http://www.rockler.com/ecom7/product...d=345&catid=21 |
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On 12/11/2004 4:26 PM US(ET), Mike Rocket J. Squirrel Elliott took
fingers to keys, and typed the following: (Cross-posted to rec.woodworking, alt.home.repair) A little bit of amateur bathroom remodeling/cabinetry going on here. And a little bit of finding myself backed into a (hardware) corner by not researching hinges before starting the project. I've built a new medicine cabinet flush into the plaster wall above the sink. The cabinet sides are made of 3/4'' MDF and I plan to hang a cabinet door over the front of the cabinet, same width as the outside dim of the cabinet. I want as little hardware to show as possible, but the stiles on the cabinet door are narrow, to accommodate a mirror and its backing, so I can't use "Euro" hidden hinges. A 2'' narrow loose pin "utility" hinge would do the job but the ones I've found would require drilling into the edge of the cabinet's MDF sides -- I don't get a real sense that this is going to be very secure. I have a sketch of the kind of hinge I'd like to use -- it's like that 2'' utility hinge but with one long leaf, folded back. The local HD and Lowe's have no such thing, and it may not exist. Please see my admittedly crude drawing at http://users.adelphia.net/~elliottfamily/hinge.gif I don't know why you can't screw the loose pin hinges into the end of the MDF. Just use longer screws to catch more material. But here's a look at some like your drawing: http://www.thehardwarehut.com/cabinet_hinge_types.php |
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On 12/11/2004 2:00 PM willshak wrote:
On 12/11/2004 4:26 PM US(ET), Mike Rocket J. Squirrel Elliott took fingers to keys, and typed the following: (Cross-posted to rec.woodworking, alt.home.repair) snip I have a sketch of the kind of hinge I'd like to use -- it's like that 2'' utility hinge but with one long leaf, folded back. The local HD and Lowe's have no such thing, and it may not exist. Please see my admittedly crude drawing at http://users.adelphia.net/~elliottfamily/hinge.gif I don't know why you can't screw the loose pin hinges into the end of the MDF. Just use longer screws to catch more material. But here's a look at some like your drawing: http://www.thehardwarehut.com/cabinet_hinge_types.php Great page to help the newbie w/ hinges! Those hinges -- like the overlay hinges -- seem to throw the knuckle forward into the room, and I want this door to have as close to hidden hinges as possible. That's why something like a regular utility hinge with folded-back wing on the frame side seems so attractive, because the knuckle will lay against the wall. But onto your suggestion about just mounting into the edge of the MDF. The cabinet door won't be super-heavy, just a 17'' wide by 28'' tall poplar frame w/ 1/8'' mirror glass in it. But given that most of my woodworking projects show the hand -- and foot -- of my craftsmanship, I would not be surprised to have the MDF split when installing the screws, even with careful pre-drilling. Or see one of the hinges come loose a few years down the road. Screwing through the side of the frame rather than into the edge just seems more secure. Or maybe I'm just ascribing to MDF the weakness of particle board? -- Mike "Rocket J Squirrel" Elliott 71 Type 2: the Wonderbus 84 Westphalia: "Mellow Yellow (The Electrical Banana)" KG6RCR |
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On 12/11/2004 5:32 PM US(ET), Mike Rocket J. Squirrel Elliott took
fingers to keys, and typed the following: On 12/11/2004 2:00 PM willshak wrote: On 12/11/2004 4:26 PM US(ET), Mike Rocket J. Squirrel Elliott took fingers to keys, and typed the following: (Cross-posted to rec.woodworking, alt.home.repair) snip I have a sketch of the kind of hinge I'd like to use -- it's like that 2'' utility hinge but with one long leaf, folded back. The local HD and Lowe's have no such thing, and it may not exist. Please see my admittedly crude drawing at http://users.adelphia.net/~elliottfamily/hinge.gif I don't know why you can't screw the loose pin hinges into the end of the MDF. Just use longer screws to catch more material. But here's a look at some like your drawing: http://www.thehardwarehut.com/cabinet_hinge_types.php Great page to help the newbie w/ hinges! Those hinges -- like the overlay hinges -- seem to throw the knuckle forward into the room, and I want this door to have as close to hidden hinges as possible. That's why something like a regular utility hinge with folded-back wing on the frame side seems so attractive, because the knuckle will lay against the wall. But onto your suggestion about just mounting into the edge of the MDF. The cabinet door won't be super-heavy, just a 17'' wide by 28'' tall poplar frame w/ 1/8'' mirror glass in it. But given that most of my woodworking projects show the hand -- and foot -- of my craftsmanship, I would not be surprised to have the MDF split when installing the screws, even with careful pre-drilling. Or see one of the hinges come loose a few years down the road. Screwing through the side of the frame rather than into the edge just seems more secure. Or maybe I'm just ascribing to MDF the weakness of particle board? If you are going to use the 1/2" hinge screws into the MDF ends, then yes, they may pull out. But, you are going into the MDF at its greatest depth. You can use 1-1/2" or longer screws and probably be able to hang yourself from the doors, or at least bend the hinges trying. :-). |
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On 12/11/2004 2:56 PM willshak wrote:
On 12/11/2004 5:32 PM US(ET), Mike Rocket J. Squirrel Elliott took fingers to keys, and typed the following: snip But onto your suggestion about just mounting into the edge of the MDF. The cabinet door won't be super-heavy, just a 17'' wide by 28'' tall poplar frame w/ 1/8'' mirror glass in it. But given that most of my woodworking projects show the hand -- and foot -- of my craftsmanship, I would not be surprised to have the MDF split when installing the screws, even with careful pre-drilling. Or see one of the hinges come loose a few years down the road. Screwing through the side of the frame rather than into the edge just seems more secure. Or maybe I'm just ascribing to MDF the weakness of particle board? If you are going to use the 1/2" hinge screws into the MDF ends, then yes, they may pull out. But, you are going into the MDF at its greatest depth. You can use 1-1/2" or longer screws and probably be able to hang yourself from the doors, or at least bend the hinges trying. :-). Sounds like a plan! Sound of me hanging myself from the doors: Hungghhh! -- Mike "Rocket J Squirrel" Elliott 71 Type 2: the Wonderbus 84 Westphalia: "Mellow Yellow (The Electrical Banana)" KG6RCR |
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On 12/11/2004 4:27 PM Larry Blanchard wrote:
In article , says... Those hinges -- like the overlay hinges -- seem to throw the knuckle forward into the room, and I want this door to have as close to hidden hinges as possible. How about those "barrel" hinges where you drill a hole in each piece, insert the hinges, and tighten a screw to expand the inge tightly against the material. Completely hidden and, IIRC, 180 degree opening. Interesting hinge. I took a look at the pdf over at rockler.com http://www.rockler.com/tech/28555.pdf They have "some possible applications" sketches on bottom of the first page. Mine looks like the leftmost sketch. So lemme get this straight -- with something like a metric Forstner bit, you drill a hole into the edge of the cabinet side and the rear of the door. Shove these puppys in and tighten the screw to expand the body. Pretty clever! I don't want to split the MDF on the edge of the cabinet. When the screw is tightened, how does the barrel expand? Looking at the upper right sketch on the Rockler pdf ("Tightening Screw"): does the barrel expand vertically (on that picture) or horizontally. Or just get fatter all 'round? I wonder if the barrel presses against the thin side of the barrel hole, or against the thick side. The more expensive route might be Soss hinges. Yep -- those are mighty pretty hinges. -- Mike "Rocket J Squirrel" Elliott 71 Type 2: the Wonderbus 84 Westphalia: "Mellow Yellow (The Electrical Banana)" KG6RCR |
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Mike Rocket J. Squirrel Elliott wrote:
So lemme get this straight -- with something like a metric Forstner bit, you drill a hole into the edge of the cabinet side and the rear of the door. Shove these puppys in and tighten the screw to expand the body. Pretty clever! Yeah except that the holes have to be drilled *precisely*. And even with 10mm there isn't much leeway on the sides going into 3/4" stock from the edge. They are useful hinges but I wouldn't use them in particle board...I suspect they would work loose in short order. -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.05... ....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico |
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"Mike Rocket J. Squirrel Elliott" et wrote in message ... But onto your suggestion about just mounting into the edge of the MDF. The cabinet door won't be super-heavy, just a 17'' wide by 28'' tall poplar frame w/ 1/8'' mirror glass in it. But given that most of my woodworking projects show the hand -- and foot -- of my craftsmanship, I would not be surprised to have the MDF split when installing the screws, even with careful pre-drilling. Or see one of the hinges come loose a few years down the road. Screwing through the side of the frame rather than into the edge just seems more secure. Or maybe I'm just ascribing to MDF the weakness of particle board? First off MDF is not particle board. Particle board is woodchips and glue, MDF is saw dust and epoxy. Use a piano hinge, secure it to the door with wood screws, and you can drill and tap the MDF to take machine screws. Wth this setup I bet the door would brake long before the screws pulled out of the MDF. -- Roger Shoaf About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then they come up with this striped stuff. |
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MDF is not sawdust & adhesive; it is wood fiber & adhesive.
Use non-tapered screws with MDF esp when going into edge grain. Longer screws & a slightly larger than usual pilot hole will minimize splitting. http://www.woodworkingtips.com/etips/etip0090800sn.html OP; If you're still looking for aome of those special hinges email me; I have a bunch of them salvaged from cabinets. I can send you you a couple. |
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First off MDF is not particle board. Particle board is woodchips and glue,
MDF is saw dust and epoxy. Hardly a difference in structural applications, but semantics I suppose......................Not really important. Squirrell,...............Why MDF??????????? Like building a car from Foil..........Aluminum or tin, not important.........just in case that comes up later. You seem to put a lot of pride in workmanship and quality on the Bus. Why not your home too? Remove "YOURPANTIES" to reply MUADIB® http://www.angelfire.com/retro/sster...IN%20PAGE.html one small step for man,..... One giant leap for attorneys. |
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Squirrell,...............Why MDF??????????? Like building a car from
Foil..........Aluminum or tin, not important.........just in case that comes up later. You seem to put a lot of pride in workmanship and quality on the Bus. Why not your home too? I did a Bad Thing? An in-wall medicine cabinet with two dadoed shelves, mounted flush, fastened between studs, with a hardboard back urethane-glued and stapled on, the gaps between the cabinet and wall filled and sanded, and the whole thing, including the wall, finished with paint seems like a perfect application for 3/4'' x 6'' MDF. It's dimensionally stable, inexpensive in pre-cut and pre-primered "shelf" chunks, and pretty sturdy. I should-a used something else? -- Mike "Rocket J Squirrel" Elliott 71 Type 2: the Wonderbus 84 Westphalia: "Mellow Yellow (The Electrical Banana)" KG6RCR |
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On 12/19/2004 10:36 AM MUADIB® wrote:
(...something disparaging my manly home handyman skills.) Etc., etc. Muadib -- great to run into you, Chris Perdue, and Speedy Jim over in this NG! -- Mike "Rocket J Squirrel" Elliott 71 Type 2: the Wonderbus 84 Westphalia: "Mellow Yellow (The Electrical Banana)" KG6RCR |
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Mike Rocket J. Squirrel Elliott wrote:
Those hinges -- like the overlay hinges -- seem to throw the knuckle forward into the room, There's a reason for that. Hinging the way you want to do will limit the door swing to 90 degrees. It is not a good method...if someone inadvertantly opens the door too hard something is going to give. The hinge knuckle should be in the same plane as the front of the door...that will allow 180 degree opening and no racking. One way to accomplish that is by using knife/pivot hinges inset into door top/bottom...only the small pivot would show. http://www.hardwaresource.com/Store_...at=24&OrderID= -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.05... ....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico |
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On 12/12/2004 6:23 AM dadiOH wrote:
Mike Rocket J. Squirrel Elliott wrote: Those hinges -- like the overlay hinges -- seem to throw the knuckle forward into the room, There's a reason for that. Hinging the way you want to do will limit the door swing to 90 degrees. It is not a good method...if someone inadvertantly opens the door too hard something is going to give. In my case, if the cabinet door opens much more than 90 degrees it will smack into a wall sconce. I'll put some kind of chain or string to stop the door before anything gets hammered. -- Mike "Rocket J Squirrel" Elliott 71 Type 2: the Wonderbus 84 Westphalia: "Mellow Yellow (The Electrical Banana)" KG6RCR |
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Mike Rocket J. Squirrel Elliott wrote:
On 12/12/2004 6:23 AM dadiOH wrote: Mike Rocket J. Squirrel Elliott wrote: Those hinges -- like the overlay hinges -- seem to throw the knuckle forward into the room, There's a reason for that. Hinging the way you want to do will limit the door swing to 90 degrees. It is not a good method...if someone inadvertantly opens the door too hard something is going to give. In my case, if the cabinet door opens much more than 90 degrees it will smack into a wall sconce. I'll put some kind of chain or string to stop the door before anything gets hammered. That will look peachy -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.05... ....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico |
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Mike Rocket J. Squirrel Elliott wrote:
(Cross-posted to rec.woodworking, alt.home.repair) I want as little hardware to show as possible, but the stiles on the cabinet door are narrow, to accommodate a mirror and its backing, so I can't use "Euro" hidden hinges. A 2'' narrow loose pin "utility" hinge would do the job but the ones I've found would require drilling into the edge of the cabinet's MDF sides -- I don't get a real sense that this is going to be very secure. http://users.adelphia.net/~elliottfamily/hinge.gif If it is not too late in the project you may try adding reinforcement to the MDF. Drill a hole into the MDF and insert a hardwood dowel. Then screw the hinges into the dowel. Just my $0.02 |
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On 12/11/2004 6:15 PM John wrote:
Mike Rocket J. Squirrel Elliott wrote: (Cross-posted to rec.woodworking, alt.home.repair) I want as little hardware to show as possible, but the stiles on the cabinet door are narrow, to accommodate a mirror and its backing, so I can't use "Euro" hidden hinges. A 2'' narrow loose pin "utility" hinge would do the job but the ones I've found would require drilling into the edge of the cabinet's MDF sides -- I don't get a real sense that this is going to be very secure. http://users.adelphia.net/~elliottfamily/hinge.gif If it is not too late in the project you may try adding reinforcement to the MDF. Drill a hole into the MDF and insert a hardwood dowel. Then screw the hinges into the dowel. Just my $0.02 Worth more than $0.02, I reckon. Good advice is priceless - especially when it is offered for free. Thank you. -- -- Mike "Rocket J Squirrel" Elliott 71 Type 2: the Wonderbus 84 Westphalia: "Mellow Yellow (The Electrical Banana)" KG6RCR |
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"dust Proof Kitchen Cabinet Hinges" are similar to your drawing, However
Screwing into the edge of MDF does not present a problem and give a good fixing if you drill a pilot hole first. Use a narrow gauge screw and make the pilot hole at least as deep as the screw. Use a screw that is 1 - 1 3/4" in length. John Mike Rocket J. Squirrel Elliott wrote: (Cross-posted to rec.woodworking, alt.home.repair) A little bit of amateur bathroom remodeling/cabinetry going on here. And a little bit of finding myself backed into a (hardware) corner by not researching hinges before starting the project. I've built a new medicine cabinet flush into the plaster wall above the sink. The cabinet sides are made of 3/4'' MDF and I plan to hang a cabinet door over the front of the cabinet, same width as the outside dim of the cabinet. I want as little hardware to show as possible, but the stiles on the cabinet door are narrow, to accommodate a mirror and its backing, so I can't use "Euro" hidden hinges. A 2'' narrow loose pin "utility" hinge would do the job but the ones I've found would require drilling into the edge of the cabinet's MDF sides -- I don't get a real sense that this is going to be very secure. I have a sketch of the kind of hinge I'd like to use -- it's like that 2'' utility hinge but with one long leaf, folded back. The local HD and Lowe's have no such thing, and it may not exist. Please see my admittedly crude drawing at http://users.adelphia.net/~elliottfamily/hinge.gif |
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On 12/11/2004 7:39 PM John wrote:
"dust Proof Kitchen Cabinet Hinges" are similar to your drawing, However Screwing into the edge of MDF does not present a problem and give a good fixing if you drill a pilot hole first. Use a narrow gauge screw and make the pilot hole at least as deep as the screw. Use a screw that is 1 - 1 3/4" in length. Can't find anything like a "dust proof kitchen cabinet hinge." Anyone got a link to this? -- -- Mike "Rocket J Squirrel" Elliott 71 Type 2: the Wonderbus 84 Westphalia: "Mellow Yellow (The Electrical Banana)" KG6RCR |
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Mike Rocket J. Squirrel Elliott wrote:
On 12/11/2004 7:39 PM John wrote: "dust Proof Kitchen Cabinet Hinges" are similar to your drawing, However Screwing into the edge of MDF does not present a problem and give a good fixing if you drill a pilot hole first. Use a narrow gauge screw and make the pilot hole at least as deep as the screw. Use a screw that is 1 - 1 3/4" in length. Can't find anything like a "dust proof kitchen cabinet hinge." Anyone got a link to this? Give this link a go. They're not exactly like I had in mind but perhaps they'll do the job. http://www.wwhardware.com/catalog.cf...g%2C%20Overlay Regards John |
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On 12/12/2004 11:01 PM John wrote:
Mike Rocket J. Squirrel Elliott wrote: On 12/11/2004 7:39 PM John wrote: "dust Proof Kitchen Cabinet Hinges" are similar to your drawing, However Screwing into the edge of MDF does not present a problem and give a good fixing if you drill a pilot hole first. Use a narrow gauge screw and make the pilot hole at least as deep as the screw. Use a screw that is 1 - 1 3/4" in length. Can't find anything like a "dust proof kitchen cabinet hinge." Anyone got a link to this? Give this link a go. They're not exactly like I had in mind but perhaps they'll do the job. http://www.wwhardware.com/catalog.cf...g%2C%20Overlay Ah, thanks. I looked at those at HD. The door wing is so long the screws would penetrate the mirror, and the frame wing is set up for 3/8'' overlay, and I've got 3/4'' overlay on my cabinet. -- Mike "Rocket J Squirrel" Elliott 71 Type 2: the Wonderbus 84 Westphalia: "Mellow Yellow (The Electrical Banana)" KG6RCR ------------------------------------ Today's Deep Thought: With clothes the new are best, with friends the old are best. ------------------------------------ |
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