The tale of gas cans continues:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...ainst-n1252595

On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 19:49:00 -0400, micky
wrote:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...ainst-n1252595



.. not news ...

I wonder if the New York billionaire has ever actually
_seen_ a jerry-can .. let alone fill one ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR940QaYD3w

John T.

On 03/22/2021 06:57 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 19:49:00 -0400, micky
wrote:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...ainst-n1252595



.. not news ...

I wonder if the New York billionaire has ever actually
_seen_ a jerry-can .. let alone fill one ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR940QaYD3w

John T.


"One of the lawsuits was filed by Karen Kornegay of Louisiana, whose
19-year-old son Dylan died in 2010 after suffering severe burns over 80
percent of his body. A can he had used to ignite a bonfire allegedly
exploded and sprayed him with flaming gasoline."

They're going to legislate the Darwin Awards out of existence.

On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 19:15:49 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 03/22/2021 06:57 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 19:49:00 -0400, micky
wrote:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...ainst-n1252595



.. not news ...

I wonder if the New York billionaire has ever actually
_seen_ a jerry-can .. let alone fill one ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR940QaYD3w

John T.


"One of the lawsuits was filed by Karen Kornegay of Louisiana, whose
19-year-old son Dylan died in 2010 after suffering severe burns over 80
percent of his body. A can he had used to ignite a bonfire allegedly
exploded and sprayed him with flaming gasoline."

They're going to legislate the Darwin Awards out of existence.


I cringed - when I saw my retired neighbour -
- try to revive a backyard fire-pit fire - with a little
1/4 cup of gasoline ... he narrowly avoided having
_ himself _ explode in flames ... right in front of his
little grand-children ...
He may not remember ? .. I'll never forget.
John T.

On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 21:24:35 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 19:15:49 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 03/22/2021 06:57 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 19:49:00 -0400, micky
wrote:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...ainst-n1252595



.. not news ...

I wonder if the New York billionaire has ever actually
_seen_ a jerry-can .. let alone fill one ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR940QaYD3w

John T.


"One of the lawsuits was filed by Karen Kornegay of Louisiana, whose
19-year-old son Dylan died in 2010 after suffering severe burns over 80
percent of his body. A can he had used to ignite a bonfire allegedly
exploded and sprayed him with flaming gasoline."

They're going to legislate the Darwin Awards out of existence.


I cringed - when I saw my retired neighbour -
- try to revive a backyard fire-pit fire - with a little
1/4 cup of gasoline ... he narrowly avoided having
_ himself _ explode in flames ... right in front of his
little grand-children ...
He may not remember ? .. I'll never forget.
John T.

Jeez, I thought the plastic ones were bad. Time to tuck away a few of
those while I still can..

On 3/22/2021 7:49 PM, micky wrote:
The tale of gas cans continues:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...ainst-n1252595


Won't affect me. Instead of those damned cans I just use a soup bowl
when I need gas for the mower. I drive slow coming home though.

On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 19:49:00 -0400, micky
wrote:

The tale of gas cans continues:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...ainst-n1252595

I lost patience with the article when they started talking about the
moron pouring gas on a fire from a 5 gallon can.

What changed? Gas cans have had the CARB device on them for years.
I see a big surge in the sale of diesel cans and red paint if this
really made the current situation worse.

On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 19:15:49 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


"One of the lawsuits was filed by Karen Kornegay of Louisiana, whose
19-year-old son Dylan died in 2010 after suffering severe burns over 80
percent of his body. A can he had used to ignite a bonfire allegedly
exploded and sprayed him with flaming gasoline."

They're going to legislate the Darwin Awards out of existence.

If they'd only come up with a law against gossiping, senile gossip!

rbowman writes:
On 03/22/2021 06:57 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 19:49:00 -0400, micky
wrote:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...ainst-n1252595



.. not news ...

I wonder if the New York billionaire has ever actually
_seen_ a jerry-can .. let alone fill one ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR940QaYD3w

John T.


"One of the lawsuits was filed by Karen Kornegay of Louisiana, whose
19-year-old son Dylan died in 2010 after suffering severe burns over 80
percent of his body. A can he had used to ignite a bonfire allegedly
exploded and sprayed him with flaming gasoline."

Of course, the next paragraph she admits that her son was an
idiot. But you didn't include that because it doesn't fit your
narrative.

I've been using a 5gal gas can with the now mandatory flame arrester for a couple
of years. Works great, easy to use - no problems whatsoever.

On 3/23/2021 1:12 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 19:49:00 -0400, micky
wrote:

The tale of gas cans continues:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...ainst-n1252595

I lost patience with the article when they started talking about the
moron pouring gas on a fire from a 5 gallon can.

What changed? Gas cans have had the CARB device on them for years.
I see a big surge in the sale of diesel cans and red paint if this
really made the current situation worse.


Yes, but her son was terminally stupid so we should spend millions to
replace every gas can in existence "just in case"

In article , says...

I lost patience with the article when they started talking about the
moron pouring gas on a fire from a 5 gallon can.

What changed? Gas cans have had the CARB device on them for years.
I see a big surge in the sale of diesel cans and red paint if this
really made the current situation worse.


Yes, but her son was terminally stupid so we should spend millions to
replace every gas can in existence "just in case"



Part of the problem with this country is that the government wants to
protect all the dumb ones. That lets them breed more dumb ones. Then
there is the law suits that follow that reward the dumb ones.

I am just glad I have a few gas cans of the old design. I have one new
small 2 gallon can and have spilled gas out of that than any of the
other ones.

Ed Pawlowski writes:
On 3/23/2021 1:12 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 19:49:00 -0400, micky
wrote:

The tale of gas cans continues:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...ainst-n1252595

I lost patience with the article when they started talking about the
moron pouring gas on a fire from a 5 gallon can.

What changed? Gas cans have had the CARB device on them for years.
I see a big surge in the sale of diesel cans and red paint if this
really made the current situation worse.


Yes, but her son was terminally stupid so we should spend millions to
replace every gas can in existence "just in case"


See, that's a false narrative. In fact, you are just plain wrong.

Nobody is replacing anything. New cans are required to have these
safety features, but nobody is coming to collect your old ones.

Nobody is spending "millions".

On 3/23/2021 11:38 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Ed Pawlowski writes:
On 3/23/2021 1:12 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 19:49:00 -0400, micky
wrote:

The tale of gas cans continues:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...ainst-n1252595

I lost patience with the article when they started talking about the
moron pouring gas on a fire from a 5 gallon can.

What changed? Gas cans have had the CARB device on them for years.
I see a big surge in the sale of diesel cans and red paint if this
really made the current situation worse.


Yes, but her son was terminally stupid so we should spend millions to
replace every gas can in existence "just in case"


See, that's a false narrative. In fact, you are just plain wrong.

Nobody is replacing anything. New cans are required to have these
safety features, but nobody is coming to collect your old ones.

Nobody is spending "millions".


Not yet, but be cautious. There was a lawsuit and new regulations
already.

On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:46:21 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

rbowman writes:
On 03/22/2021 06:57 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 19:49:00 -0400, micky
wrote:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...ainst-n1252595



.. not news ...

I wonder if the New York billionaire has ever actually
_seen_ a jerry-can .. let alone fill one ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR940QaYD3w

John T.


"One of the lawsuits was filed by Karen Kornegay of Louisiana, whose
19-year-old son Dylan died in 2010 after suffering severe burns over 80
percent of his body. A can he had used to ignite a bonfire allegedly
exploded and sprayed him with flaming gasoline."

Of course, the next paragraph she admits that her son was an
idiot. But you didn't include that because it doesn't fit your
narrative.

I've been using a 5gal gas can with the now mandatory flame arrester for a couple
of years. Works great, easy to use - no problems whatsoever.

It depends on what you are filling.
On a lawn mower with a lot of mass it might be OK. On a chain saw, not
so much. I suppose it also depends on the design of the nozzle. Some
you really have to push in hard on to get the gas flowing. Fortunately
I still have several old style nozzles for yard equipment but when I
am filling my boat I use a big funnel and pour it straight out of the
can.
It never occurred to me to pour gas on a fire, from a can or from
anything else for that matter. If I was going to use an accelerant,
diesel soaked into an old shop rag or even a ball of dryer lint would
work better anyway. I used to use sawdust soaked in paraffin in a
small can (tuna size) to start fires in my fire place.

On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 10:47:59 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 3/23/2021 1:12 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 19:49:00 -0400, micky
wrote:

The tale of gas cans continues:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...ainst-n1252595

I lost patience with the article when they started talking about the
moron pouring gas on a fire from a 5 gallon can.

What changed? Gas cans have had the CARB device on them for years.
I see a big surge in the sale of diesel cans and red paint if this
really made the current situation worse.


Yes, but her son was terminally stupid so we should spend millions to
replace every gas can in existence "just in case"

I am still not sure what's new. The EPA has been requiring the CARB
nozzle on new gas cans since 2009.

Most of my cans don't even have nozzles on them so I am not sure how
this would affect me anyway. I fill my boat (where most of the gas
goes) with a funnel.

I bought a new plastic gas can last fall. I gave my daughter my tractor and gas can, and needed a new can for my push mower.

It's got a spout, and a little lever you hold down and press the lip against the edge, and it works fine. It was easy and I didn't spill.

They've obviously improved. The last time I used one of those I gave up and got my funnel.

Best of all, I found a gas station that sells ethanol free gas. I put a good bit of work into repairing that push mower and want to try to keep it going.

If I get my gas string trimmer working this summer I may just buy the premix. For the small amount I use, mixing oil isn't worth the hassle.

On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:38:07 -0700 (PDT), TimR
wrote:

I bought a new plastic gas can last fall. I gave my daughter my tractor and gas can, and needed a new can for my push mower.

It's got a spout, and a little lever you hold down and press the lip against the edge, and it works fine. It was easy and I didn't spill.

They've obviously improved. The last time I used one of those I gave up and got my funnel.

Best of all, I found a gas station that sells ethanol free gas. I put a good bit of work into repairing that push mower and want to try to keep it going.

If I get my gas string trimmer working this summer I may just buy the premix. For the small amount I use, mixing oil isn't worth the hassle.

I have said this before but go to a pharmacy and get a 10cc syringe.
It makes mixing gas by the tank easy. Figure out how much the tank
holds in ML and do a little math. I wrote the number on the machines
with a sharpie.

On 3/23/2021 10:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:38:07 -0700 (PDT), TimR
wrote:

I bought a new plastic gas can last fall. I gave my daughter my tractor and gas can, and needed a new can for my push mower.

It's got a spout, and a little lever you hold down and press the lip against the edge, and it works fine. It was easy and I didn't spill.

They've obviously improved. The last time I used one of those I gave up and got my funnel.

Best of all, I found a gas station that sells ethanol free gas. I put a good bit of work into repairing that push mower and want to try to keep it going.

If I get my gas string trimmer working this summer I may just buy the premix. For the small amount I use, mixing oil isn't worth the hassle.

I have said this before but go to a pharmacy and get a 10cc syringe.
It makes mixing gas by the tank easy. Figure out how much the tank
holds in ML and do a little math. I wrote the number on the machines
with a sharpie.


You make it sound easy but not everyone has a Sharpie.

On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 22:20:18 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 3/23/2021 10:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:38:07 -0700 (PDT), TimR
wrote:

I bought a new plastic gas can last fall. I gave my daughter my tractor and gas can, and needed a new can for my push mower.

It's got a spout, and a little lever you hold down and press the lip against the edge, and it works fine. It was easy and I didn't spill.

They've obviously improved. The last time I used one of those I gave up and got my funnel.

Best of all, I found a gas station that sells ethanol free gas. I put a good bit of work into repairing that push mower and want to try to keep it going.

If I get my gas string trimmer working this summer I may just buy the premix. For the small amount I use, mixing oil isn't worth the hassle.

I have said this before but go to a pharmacy and get a 10cc syringe.
It makes mixing gas by the tank easy. Figure out how much the tank
holds in ML and do a little math. I wrote the number on the machines
with a sharpie.


You make it sound easy but not everyone has a Sharpie.

Cut your finger and write in blood. ;-)

On 3/23/2021 9:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 3/23/2021 10:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:38:07 -0700 (PDT), TimR
wrote:

I bought a new plastic gas can last fall.Â* I gave my daughter my
tractor and gas can, and needed a new can for my push mower.

It's got a spout, and a little lever you hold down and press the lip
against the edge, and it works fine.Â* It was easy and I didn't spill.

They've obviously improved.Â* The last time I used one of those I gave
up and got my funnel.

Best of all, I found a gas station that sells ethanol free gas.Â* I
put a good bit of work into repairing that push mower and want to try
to keep it going.

If I get my gas string trimmer working this summer I may just buy the
premix.Â* For the small amount I use, mixing oil isn't worth the hassle.

I have said this before but go to a pharmacy and get a 10cc syringe.
It makes mixing gas by the tank easy. Figure out how much the tank
holds in ML and do a little math. I wrote the number on the machines
with a sharpie.


You make it sound easy but not everyone has a Sharpie.

Since all my 2 strokes are Stihl (except one 45 yr old Homelite
chainsaw) I buy their premeasured bottles . 12.8 oz per 5 gallons , I
use a 2.5 gal container and half a bottle . I also mix my gas (87 oct
reg and 92 oct premium , both non-ethanol) 50/50 since Stihl recommends
89 or better .
--
Snag
In 1775, the British demanded we give them our guns.
We shot them.

On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 08:19:34 -0500, Snag wrote:

On 3/23/2021 9:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 3/23/2021 10:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:38:07 -0700 (PDT), TimR
wrote:

I bought a new plastic gas can last fall.Â* I gave my daughter my
tractor and gas can, and needed a new can for my push mower.

It's got a spout, and a little lever you hold down and press the lip
against the edge, and it works fine.Â* It was easy and I didn't spill.

They've obviously improved.Â* The last time I used one of those I gave
up and got my funnel.

Best of all, I found a gas station that sells ethanol free gas.Â* I
put a good bit of work into repairing that push mower and want to try
to keep it going.

If I get my gas string trimmer working this summer I may just buy the
premix.Â* For the small amount I use, mixing oil isn't worth the hassle.

I have said this before but go to a pharmacy and get a 10cc syringe.
It makes mixing gas by the tank easy. Figure out how much the tank
holds in ML and do a little math. I wrote the number on the machines
with a sharpie.


You make it sound easy but not everyone has a Sharpie.

Since all my 2 strokes are Stihl (except one 45 yr old Homelite
chainsaw) I buy their premeasured bottles . 12.8 oz per 5 gallons , I
use a 2.5 gal container and half a bottle . I also mix my gas (87 oct
reg and 92 oct premium , both non-ethanol) 50/50 since Stihl recommends
89 or better .

I burn enough gas in my boat that it doesn't get stale so I still buy
E-10 and mix as I go for yard equipment that doesn't get used nearly
as much. My chain saw has a half liter tank so a 10cc shot of oil is
perfect for it. (50:1) My Remington 2700 weed eater has a slightly
smaller tank (414ml), uses 40:1 and it gets 10 CC too. Close enough.

On 3/24/2021 1:33 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 08:19:34 -0500, Snag wrote:

On 3/23/2021 9:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 3/23/2021 10:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:38:07 -0700 (PDT), TimR
wrote:

I bought a new plastic gas can last fall.Â* I gave my daughter my
tractor and gas can, and needed a new can for my push mower.

It's got a spout, and a little lever you hold down and press the lip
against the edge, and it works fine.Â* It was easy and I didn't spill.

They've obviously improved.Â* The last time I used one of those I gave
up and got my funnel.

Best of all, I found a gas station that sells ethanol free gas.Â* I
put a good bit of work into repairing that push mower and want to try
to keep it going.

If I get my gas string trimmer working this summer I may just buy the
premix.Â* For the small amount I use, mixing oil isn't worth the hassle.

I have said this before but go to a pharmacy and get a 10cc syringe.
It makes mixing gas by the tank easy. Figure out how much the tank
holds in ML and do a little math. I wrote the number on the machines
with a sharpie.


You make it sound easy but not everyone has a Sharpie.

Since all my 2 strokes are Stihl (except one 45 yr old Homelite
chainsaw) I buy their premeasured bottles . 12.8 oz per 5 gallons , I
use a 2.5 gal container and half a bottle . I also mix my gas (87 oct
reg and 92 oct premium , both non-ethanol) 50/50 since Stihl recommends
89 or better .

I burn enough gas in my boat that it doesn't get stale so I still buy
E-10 and mix as I go for yard equipment that doesn't get used nearly
as much. My chain saw has a half liter tank so a 10cc shot of oil is
perfect for it. (50:1) My Remington 2700 weed eater has a slightly
smaller tank (414ml), uses 40:1 and it gets 10 CC too. Close enough.


Hey , whatever works for you . I use enough that it would be a PITA
to mix it a tank at a time .
--
Snag
In 1775, the British demanded we give them our guns.
We shot them.

On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 15:03:55 -0500, Snag wrote:

On 3/24/2021 1:33 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 08:19:34 -0500, Snag wrote:

On 3/23/2021 9:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 3/23/2021 10:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:38:07 -0700 (PDT), TimR
wrote:

I bought a new plastic gas can last fall.Â* I gave my daughter my
tractor and gas can, and needed a new can for my push mower.

It's got a spout, and a little lever you hold down and press the lip
against the edge, and it works fine.Â* It was easy and I didn't spill.

They've obviously improved.Â* The last time I used one of those I gave
up and got my funnel.

Best of all, I found a gas station that sells ethanol free gas.Â* I
put a good bit of work into repairing that push mower and want to try
to keep it going.

If I get my gas string trimmer working this summer I may just buy the
premix.Â* For the small amount I use, mixing oil isn't worth the hassle.

I have said this before but go to a pharmacy and get a 10cc syringe.
It makes mixing gas by the tank easy. Figure out how much the tank
holds in ML and do a little math. I wrote the number on the machines
with a sharpie.


You make it sound easy but not everyone has a Sharpie.

Since all my 2 strokes are Stihl (except one 45 yr old Homelite
chainsaw) I buy their premeasured bottles . 12.8 oz per 5 gallons , I
use a 2.5 gal container and half a bottle . I also mix my gas (87 oct
reg and 92 oct premium , both non-ethanol) 50/50 since Stihl recommends
89 or better .

I burn enough gas in my boat that it doesn't get stale so I still buy
E-10 and mix as I go for yard equipment that doesn't get used nearly
as much. My chain saw has a half liter tank so a 10cc shot of oil is
perfect for it. (50:1) My Remington 2700 weed eater has a slightly
smaller tank (414ml), uses 40:1 and it gets 10 CC too. Close enough.


Hey , whatever works for you . I use enough that it would be a PITA
to mix it a tank at a time .

Not so much here. I seldom use a whole tank of gas in either of them.
I end up pouring the excess in the mower and running the little
machine dry.

On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 11:16:43 -0400, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

In article , says...

I lost patience with the article when they started talking about the
moron pouring gas on a fire from a 5 gallon can.

What changed? Gas cans have had the CARB device on them for years.
I see a big surge in the sale of diesel cans and red paint if this
really made the current situation worse.


Yes, but her son was terminally stupid so we should spend millions to
replace every gas can in existence "just in case"



Part of the problem with this country is that the government wants to
protect all the dumb ones. That lets them breed more dumb ones. Then
there is the law suits that follow that reward the dumb ones.

I am just glad I have a few gas cans of the old design. I have one new
small 2 gallon can and have spilled gas out of that than any of the
other ones.

I've got 2 3 gallon saferty gas cans that are likely older than some
of our readers/contributors. Flame arresters, spring loaded fuel
valve, all steel.

On 3/24/21 9:19 AM, Snag wrote:
On 3/23/2021 9:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 3/23/2021 10:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:38:07 -0700 (PDT), TimR
wrote:


SNIP


Â* Since all my 2 strokes are Stihl (except one 45 yr old Homelite
chainsaw) I buy their premeasured bottles . 12.8 oz per 5 gallons , I
use a 2.5 gal container and half a bottle . I also mix my gas (87 oct
reg and 92 oct premium , both non-ethanol) 50/50 since Stihl recommends
89 or better .

Echo also recommends 89/mid grade octane for their two-stroke machines.

I could never figure out why such low compression engines would need
anything more than regular grade 87 octane gas. Is pre-ignition really a
problem?

Echo also recommends using a higher grade of two stroke oil (ISO-L-EGD
(ISO/CD 13738) and J.A.S.O. FD) instead of the cheap sludge I've always
used in my 1960's vintage 70 HP Evinrude outboard that's still running
like a champ.

Nonetheless, I've used the Echo-recommended oil in all my Echo lawn
tools and they too are working fine.

--
With all the €œgun control€� talk, I havent heard one politician say how
they plan to take guns away from criminals and terrorists€” just from law
abiding citizens...

In article , says...

Echo also recommends 89/mid grade octane for their two-stroke machines.

I could never figure out why such low compression engines would need
anything more than regular grade 87 octane gas. Is pre-ignition really a
problem?

Echo also recommends using a higher grade of two stroke oil (ISO-L-EGD
(ISO/CD 13738) and J.A.S.O. FD) instead of the cheap sludge I've always
used in my 1960's vintage 70 HP Evinrude outboard that's still running
like a champ.




Many years ago before the ethanol gas I heard many people say not to use
the 'high test' gas in the small engines like lawn mowers, but just use
the 'regular' as the high test will cause the engine to burn up. Is
there anything to this, or do you just use any gas you want in the small
engines, mixed with oil if needed for the 2 strokes ?

On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 10:35:00 -0400, Wade Garrett
wrote:

On 3/24/21 9:19 AM, Snag wrote:
On 3/23/2021 9:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 3/23/2021 10:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:38:07 -0700 (PDT), TimR
wrote:


SNIP


Â* Since all my 2 strokes are Stihl (except one 45 yr old Homelite
chainsaw) I buy their premeasured bottles . 12.8 oz per 5 gallons , I
use a 2.5 gal container and half a bottle . I also mix my gas (87 oct
reg and 92 oct premium , both non-ethanol) 50/50 since Stihl recommends
89 or better .

Echo also recommends 89/mid grade octane for their two-stroke machines.

I could never figure out why such low compression engines would need
anything more than regular grade 87 octane gas. Is pre-ignition really a
problem?

Echo also recommends using a higher grade of two stroke oil (ISO-L-EGD
(ISO/CD 13738) and J.A.S.O. FD) instead of the cheap sludge I've always
used in my 1960's vintage 70 HP Evinrude outboard that's still running
like a champ.

Nonetheless, I've used the Echo-recommended oil in all my Echo lawn
tools and they too are working fine.

Has any homeowner actually ever worn out the engine on a weed eater?
They usually get tossed because of other things, just like cars.

wrote in message
...
On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 10:35:00 -0400, Wade Garrett
wrote:

On 3/24/21 9:19 AM, Snag wrote:
On 3/23/2021 9:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 3/23/2021 10:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:38:07 -0700 (PDT), TimR
wrote:


SNIP


Since all my 2 strokes are Stihl (except one 45 yr old Homelite
chainsaw) I buy their premeasured bottles . 12.8 oz per 5 gallons , I
use a 2.5 gal container and half a bottle . I also mix my gas (87 oct
reg and 92 oct premium , both non-ethanol) 50/50 since Stihl recommends
89 or better .

Echo also recommends 89/mid grade octane for their two-stroke machines.

I could never figure out why such low compression engines would need
anything more than regular grade 87 octane gas. Is pre-ignition really a
problem?

Echo also recommends using a higher grade of two stroke oil (ISO-L-EGD
(ISO/CD 13738) and J.A.S.O. FD) instead of the cheap sludge I've always
used in my 1960's vintage 70 HP Evinrude outboard that's still running
like a champ.

Nonetheless, I've used the Echo-recommended oil in all my Echo lawn
tools and they too are working fine.

Has any homeowner actually ever worn out the engine on a weed eater?

Some have with chainsaws and lawn mowers.

They usually get tossed because of other things, just like cars.

On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 22:20:18 -0400, Ed Pawlowski posted for all of us to
digest...


On 3/23/2021 10:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:38:07 -0700 (PDT), TimR
wrote:

I bought a new plastic gas can last fall. I gave my daughter my tractor and gas can, and needed a new can for my push mower.

It's got a spout, and a little lever you hold down and press the lip against the edge, and it works fine. It was easy and I didn't spill.

They've obviously improved. The last time I used one of those I gave up and got my funnel.

Best of all, I found a gas station that sells ethanol free gas. I put a good bit of work into repairing that push mower and want to try to keep it going.

If I get my gas string trimmer working this summer I may just buy the premix. For the small amount I use, mixing oil isn't worth the hassle.

I have said this before but go to a pharmacy and get a 10cc syringe.
It makes mixing gas by the tank easy. Figure out how much the tank
holds in ML and do a little math. I wrote the number on the machines
with a sharpie.


You make it sound easy but not everyone has a Sharpie.

Didn't you mean that not everyone *is* a Sharpie??

--
Tekkie

On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 11:40:03 -0400, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

In article , says...

Echo also recommends 89/mid grade octane for their two-stroke machines.

I could never figure out why such low compression engines would need
anything more than regular grade 87 octane gas. Is pre-ignition really a
problem?

Echo also recommends using a higher grade of two stroke oil (ISO-L-EGD
(ISO/CD 13738) and J.A.S.O. FD) instead of the cheap sludge I've always
used in my 1960's vintage 70 HP Evinrude outboard that's still running
like a champ.




Many years ago before the ethanol gas I heard many people say not to use
the 'high test' gas in the small engines like lawn mowers, but just use
the 'regular' as the high test will cause the engine to burn up. Is
there anything to this, or do you just use any gas you want in the small
engines, mixed with oil if needed for the 2 strokes ?

They were wrong. Premium never hurt an engine. In a 2 stroke,
depending on the oil mix the actual octane of the fuel can drop
something like 3 to 5 points - so 93 octane mixed gas is effectively
88 to 90 octane

In article ,
says...

Has any homeowner actually ever worn out the engine on a weed eater?
They usually get tossed because of other things, just like cars.



If like I used to be, they got tossed because they would not start. That
was for the cheap ones.

After I retired and had time, I found out most of them needed the
carborator cleaned out or some fuel line in the gas tank was bad.

Often the filter in the tank broke off and then let junk into the
carborator.

On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 12:54:22 -0400, wrote:

Has any homeowner actually ever worn out the engine on a weed eater?
They usually get tossed because of other things, just like cars.

My brother just retired from a long career in small engine repair and he
would tell you that lots and lots of people have worn out or otherwise
damaged the engine on a weed eater.

He has dozens of weed eaters, lawn mowers, chain saws, etc., laying around
on his property because people drop them off for repair and then abandon
them when they see the repair bill. He and I have a running joke where when
I go for a visit, he tells me to grab a mower and run it around to earn my
keep. He always points to the farm of push mowers, but last time I veered
off and picked a riding mower so that I wouldn't have to set down my
beer(s).

On 3/24/2021 7:33 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 15:03:55 -0500, Snag wrote:

On 3/24/2021 1:33 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 08:19:34 -0500, Snag wrote:

On 3/23/2021 9:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 3/23/2021 10:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:38:07 -0700 (PDT), TimR
wrote:

I bought a new plastic gas can last fall.Â* I gave my daughter my
tractor and gas can, and needed a new can for my push mower.

It's got a spout, and a little lever you hold down and press the lip
against the edge, and it works fine.Â* It was easy and I didn't spill.

They've obviously improved.Â* The last time I used one of those I gave
up and got my funnel.

Best of all, I found a gas station that sells ethanol free gas.Â* I
put a good bit of work into repairing that push mower and want to try
to keep it going.

If I get my gas string trimmer working this summer I may just buy the
premix.Â* For the small amount I use, mixing oil isn't worth the hassle.

I have said this before but go to a pharmacy and get a 10cc syringe.
It makes mixing gas by the tank easy. Figure out how much the tank
holds in ML and do a little math. I wrote the number on the machines
with a sharpie.


You make it sound easy but not everyone has a Sharpie.

Since all my 2 strokes are Stihl (except one 45 yr old Homelite
chainsaw) I buy their premeasured bottles . 12.8 oz per 5 gallons , I
use a 2.5 gal container and half a bottle . I also mix my gas (87 oct
reg and 92 oct premium , both non-ethanol) 50/50 since Stihl recommends
89 or better .

I burn enough gas in my boat that it doesn't get stale so I still buy
E-10 and mix as I go for yard equipment that doesn't get used nearly
as much. My chain saw has a half liter tank so a 10cc shot of oil is
perfect for it. (50:1) My Remington 2700 weed eater has a slightly
smaller tank (414ml), uses 40:1 and it gets 10 CC too. Close enough.


Hey , whatever works for you . I use enough that it would be a PITA
to mix it a tank at a time .

Not so much here. I seldom use a whole tank of gas in either of them.
I end up pouring the excess in the mower and running the little
machine dry.


Not so much with the line trimmer , but I quite often go thru over a
tank of gas in the saws .
--
Snag
In 1775, the British demanded we give them our guns.
We shot them.

On 3/25/2021 9:35 AM, Wade Garrett wrote:
On 3/24/21 9:19 AM, Snag wrote:
On 3/23/2021 9:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 3/23/2021 10:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:38:07 -0700 (PDT), TimR
wrote:


SNIP


Â*Â* Since all my 2 strokes are Stihl (except one 45 yr old Homelite
chainsaw) I buy their premeasured bottles . 12.8 oz per 5 gallons , I
use a 2.5 gal container and half a bottle . I also mix my gas (87 oct
reg and 92 oct premium , both non-ethanol) 50/50 since Stihl
recommends 89 or better .

Echo also recommends 89/mid grade octane for theirÂ* two-stroke machines.

I could never figure out why such low compression engines would need
anything more than regular grade 87 octane gas. Is pre-ignition really a
problem?


If you get a buildup of carbon in the combustion chamber and top of
the piston it can get higher . Run it hard with deposits and they can
get hot enough to act as a glow plug .
--
Snag
In 1775, the British demanded we give them our guns.
We shot them.

On 3/25/2021 11:54 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 10:35:00 -0400, Wade Garrett
wrote:

On 3/24/21 9:19 AM, Snag wrote:
On 3/23/2021 9:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 3/23/2021 10:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:38:07 -0700 (PDT), TimR
wrote:


SNIP


Â* Since all my 2 strokes are Stihl (except one 45 yr old Homelite
chainsaw) I buy their premeasured bottles . 12.8 oz per 5 gallons , I
use a 2.5 gal container and half a bottle . I also mix my gas (87 oct
reg and 92 oct premium , both non-ethanol) 50/50 since Stihl recommends
89 or better .

Echo also recommends 89/mid grade octane for their two-stroke machines.

I could never figure out why such low compression engines would need
anything more than regular grade 87 octane gas. Is pre-ignition really a
problem?

Echo also recommends using a higher grade of two stroke oil (ISO-L-EGD
(ISO/CD 13738) and J.A.S.O. FD) instead of the cheap sludge I've always
used in my 1960's vintage 70 HP Evinrude outboard that's still running
like a champ.

Nonetheless, I've used the Echo-recommended oil in all my Echo lawn
tools and they too are working fine.

Has any homeowner actually ever worn out the engine on a weed eater?
They usually get tossed because of other things, just like cars.


Yup , got one the neighbor wanted fixed . It still ran , but only at
around half power . Had as much suction as compression when you pulled
the rope .
--
Snag
In 1775, the British demanded we give them our guns.
We shot them.

On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 20:56:24 -0400, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

In article ,
says...

Has any homeowner actually ever worn out the engine on a weed eater?
They usually get tossed because of other things, just like cars.



If like I used to be, they got tossed because they would not start. That
was for the cheap ones.

After I retired and had time, I found out most of them needed the
carborator cleaned out or some fuel line in the gas tank was bad.

Often the filter in the tank broke off and then let junk into the
carborator.

Once I found out carburetors are $20 on Amazon I won't screw with
them. One possible exception is the one on my Honda "walk behind" that
has a main jet you can run a tip cleaner through just by taking the
bowl off. I am not sure why other manufacturers don't do that.
I always did like Honda tho.

On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 20:08:49 -0500, Snag wrote:

On 3/24/2021 7:33 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 15:03:55 -0500, Snag wrote:

On 3/24/2021 1:33 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 08:19:34 -0500, Snag wrote:

On 3/23/2021 9:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 3/23/2021 10:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:38:07 -0700 (PDT), TimR
wrote:

I bought a new plastic gas can last fall.Â* I gave my daughter my
tractor and gas can, and needed a new can for my push mower.

It's got a spout, and a little lever you hold down and press the lip
against the edge, and it works fine.Â* It was easy and I didn't spill.

They've obviously improved.Â* The last time I used one of those I gave
up and got my funnel.

Best of all, I found a gas station that sells ethanol free gas.Â* I
put a good bit of work into repairing that push mower and want to try
to keep it going.

If I get my gas string trimmer working this summer I may just buy the
premix.Â* For the small amount I use, mixing oil isn't worth the hassle.

I have said this before but go to a pharmacy and get a 10cc syringe.
It makes mixing gas by the tank easy. Figure out how much the tank
holds in ML and do a little math. I wrote the number on the machines
with a sharpie.


You make it sound easy but not everyone has a Sharpie.

Since all my 2 strokes are Stihl (except one 45 yr old Homelite
chainsaw) I buy their premeasured bottles . 12.8 oz per 5 gallons , I
use a 2.5 gal container and half a bottle . I also mix my gas (87 oct
reg and 92 oct premium , both non-ethanol) 50/50 since Stihl recommends
89 or better .

I burn enough gas in my boat that it doesn't get stale so I still buy
E-10 and mix as I go for yard equipment that doesn't get used nearly
as much. My chain saw has a half liter tank so a 10cc shot of oil is
perfect for it. (50:1) My Remington 2700 weed eater has a slightly
smaller tank (414ml), uses 40:1 and it gets 10 CC too. Close enough.


Hey , whatever works for you . I use enough that it would be a PITA
to mix it a tank at a time .

Not so much here. I seldom use a whole tank of gas in either of them.
I end up pouring the excess in the mower and running the little
machine dry.


Not so much with the line trimmer , but I quite often go thru over a
tank of gas in the saws .

If I am cleaning up after a hurricane or clearing out the canal I
might burn a gallon of gas but usually it is just a few limbs.
Sometime I just use my electric (taken off the pole saw) but my
"Husqvarna" doesn't screw around. It gets the job done a lot faster.

On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 20:17:43 -0500, Snag wrote:

On 3/25/2021 11:54 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 10:35:00 -0400, Wade Garrett
wrote:

On 3/24/21 9:19 AM, Snag wrote:
On 3/23/2021 9:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 3/23/2021 10:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:38:07 -0700 (PDT), TimR
wrote:


SNIP


Â* Since all my 2 strokes are Stihl (except one 45 yr old Homelite
chainsaw) I buy their premeasured bottles . 12.8 oz per 5 gallons , I
use a 2.5 gal container and half a bottle . I also mix my gas (87 oct
reg and 92 oct premium , both non-ethanol) 50/50 since Stihl recommends
89 or better .

Echo also recommends 89/mid grade octane for their two-stroke machines.

I could never figure out why such low compression engines would need
anything more than regular grade 87 octane gas. Is pre-ignition really a
problem?

Echo also recommends using a higher grade of two stroke oil (ISO-L-EGD
(ISO/CD 13738) and J.A.S.O. FD) instead of the cheap sludge I've always
used in my 1960's vintage 70 HP Evinrude outboard that's still running
like a champ.

Nonetheless, I've used the Echo-recommended oil in all my Echo lawn
tools and they too are working fine.

Has any homeowner actually ever worn out the engine on a weed eater?
They usually get tossed because of other things, just like cars.


Yup , got one the neighbor wanted fixed . It still ran , but only at
around half power . Had as much suction as compression when you pulled
the rope .

Sounds like reeds.

On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 20:56:24 -0400, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

In article ,
says...

Has any homeowner actually ever worn out the engine on a weed eater?
They usually get tossed because of other things, just like cars.



If like I used to be, they got tossed because they would not start. That
was for the cheap ones.

After I retired and had time, I found out most of them needed the
carborator cleaned out or some fuel line in the gas tank was bad.

Often the filter in the tank broke off and then let junk into the
carborator.



Lots of them lost compression to the point they would not start
without rther too - or the crankcase seals started to leak and they
ran lean ANF had poor transfer. In other words they wore out. Quite a
few of the cheap ones had a half life of about 75 hours. In 150 they
were dead.

On 3/26/2021 12:51 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 20:56:24 -0400, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

In article ,
says...

Has any homeowner actually ever worn out the engine on a weed eater?
They usually get tossed because of other things, just like cars.



If like I used to be, they got tossed because they would not start. That
was for the cheap ones.

After I retired and had time, I found out most of them needed the
carborator cleaned out or some fuel line in the gas tank was bad.

Often the filter in the tank broke off and then let junk into the
carborator.



Lots of them lost compression to the point they would not start
without rther too - or the crankcase seals started to leak and they
ran lean ANF had poor transfer. In other words they wore out. Quite a
few of the cheap ones had a half life of about 75 hours. In 150 they
were dead.


I was looking at the data tag on a Poulan chainsaw , it said the
expected service life was 50 hours ... that was tied to emissions levels
, but from personal experience that particular make/model isn't one I
would ever buy again . My Stihl equipment has much better workmanship
and materials .
--
Snag
In 1775, the British demanded we give them our guns.
We shot them.