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On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 19:49:00 -0400, micky
wrote: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...ainst-n1252595 .. not news ... I wonder if the New York billionaire has ever actually _seen_ a jerry-can .. let alone fill one ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR940QaYD3w John T. |
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On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 19:15:49 -0600, rbowman
wrote: On 03/22/2021 06:57 PM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 19:49:00 -0400, micky wrote: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...ainst-n1252595 .. not news ... I wonder if the New York billionaire has ever actually _seen_ a jerry-can .. let alone fill one ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR940QaYD3w John T. "One of the lawsuits was filed by Karen Kornegay of Louisiana, whose 19-year-old son Dylan died in 2010 after suffering severe burns over 80 percent of his body. A can he had used to ignite a bonfire allegedly exploded and sprayed him with flaming gasoline." They're going to legislate the Darwin Awards out of existence. I cringed - when I saw my retired neighbour - - try to revive a backyard fire-pit fire - with a little 1/4 cup of gasoline ... he narrowly avoided having _ himself _ explode in flames ... right in front of his little grand-children ... He may not remember ? .. I'll never forget. John T. |
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On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 21:24:35 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 19:15:49 -0600, rbowman wrote: On 03/22/2021 06:57 PM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 19:49:00 -0400, micky wrote: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...ainst-n1252595 .. not news ... I wonder if the New York billionaire has ever actually _seen_ a jerry-can .. let alone fill one ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR940QaYD3w John T. "One of the lawsuits was filed by Karen Kornegay of Louisiana, whose 19-year-old son Dylan died in 2010 after suffering severe burns over 80 percent of his body. A can he had used to ignite a bonfire allegedly exploded and sprayed him with flaming gasoline." They're going to legislate the Darwin Awards out of existence. I cringed - when I saw my retired neighbour - - try to revive a backyard fire-pit fire - with a little 1/4 cup of gasoline ... he narrowly avoided having _ himself _ explode in flames ... right in front of his little grand-children ... He may not remember ? .. I'll never forget. John T. Jeez, I thought the plastic ones were bad. Time to tuck away a few of those while I still can.. |
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On 3/22/2021 7:49 PM, micky wrote:
The tale of gas cans continues: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...ainst-n1252595 Won't affect me. Instead of those damned cans I just use a soup bowl when I need gas for the mower. I drive slow coming home though. |
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On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 19:49:00 -0400, micky
wrote: The tale of gas cans continues: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...ainst-n1252595 I lost patience with the article when they started talking about the moron pouring gas on a fire from a 5 gallon can. What changed? Gas cans have had the CARB device on them for years. I see a big surge in the sale of diesel cans and red paint if this really made the current situation worse. |
lowbrowwoman, the Endlessly Driveling Senile Gossip
On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 19:15:49 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again: "One of the lawsuits was filed by Karen Kornegay of Louisiana, whose 19-year-old son Dylan died in 2010 after suffering severe burns over 80 percent of his body. A can he had used to ignite a bonfire allegedly exploded and sprayed him with flaming gasoline." They're going to legislate the Darwin Awards out of existence. If they'd only come up with a law against gossiping, senile gossip! |
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rbowman writes:
On 03/22/2021 06:57 PM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 19:49:00 -0400, micky wrote: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...ainst-n1252595 .. not news ... I wonder if the New York billionaire has ever actually _seen_ a jerry-can .. let alone fill one ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR940QaYD3w John T. "One of the lawsuits was filed by Karen Kornegay of Louisiana, whose 19-year-old son Dylan died in 2010 after suffering severe burns over 80 percent of his body. A can he had used to ignite a bonfire allegedly exploded and sprayed him with flaming gasoline." Of course, the next paragraph she admits that her son was an idiot. But you didn't include that because it doesn't fit your narrative. I've been using a 5gal gas can with the now mandatory flame arrester for a couple of years. Works great, easy to use - no problems whatsoever. |
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On 3/23/2021 1:12 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 19:49:00 -0400, micky wrote: The tale of gas cans continues: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...ainst-n1252595 I lost patience with the article when they started talking about the moron pouring gas on a fire from a 5 gallon can. What changed? Gas cans have had the CARB device on them for years. I see a big surge in the sale of diesel cans and red paint if this really made the current situation worse. Yes, but her son was terminally stupid so we should spend millions to replace every gas can in existence "just in case" |
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Ed Pawlowski writes:
On 3/23/2021 1:12 AM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 19:49:00 -0400, micky wrote: The tale of gas cans continues: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...ainst-n1252595 I lost patience with the article when they started talking about the moron pouring gas on a fire from a 5 gallon can. What changed? Gas cans have had the CARB device on them for years. I see a big surge in the sale of diesel cans and red paint if this really made the current situation worse. Yes, but her son was terminally stupid so we should spend millions to replace every gas can in existence "just in case" See, that's a false narrative. In fact, you are just plain wrong. Nobody is replacing anything. New cans are required to have these safety features, but nobody is coming to collect your old ones. Nobody is spending "millions". |
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On 3/23/2021 11:38 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Ed Pawlowski writes: On 3/23/2021 1:12 AM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 19:49:00 -0400, micky wrote: The tale of gas cans continues: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...ainst-n1252595 I lost patience with the article when they started talking about the moron pouring gas on a fire from a 5 gallon can. What changed? Gas cans have had the CARB device on them for years. I see a big surge in the sale of diesel cans and red paint if this really made the current situation worse. Yes, but her son was terminally stupid so we should spend millions to replace every gas can in existence "just in case" See, that's a false narrative. In fact, you are just plain wrong. Nobody is replacing anything. New cans are required to have these safety features, but nobody is coming to collect your old ones. Nobody is spending "millions". Not yet, but be cautious. There was a lawsuit and new regulations already. |
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On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:46:21 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote: rbowman writes: On 03/22/2021 06:57 PM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 19:49:00 -0400, micky wrote: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...ainst-n1252595 .. not news ... I wonder if the New York billionaire has ever actually _seen_ a jerry-can .. let alone fill one ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR940QaYD3w John T. "One of the lawsuits was filed by Karen Kornegay of Louisiana, whose 19-year-old son Dylan died in 2010 after suffering severe burns over 80 percent of his body. A can he had used to ignite a bonfire allegedly exploded and sprayed him with flaming gasoline." Of course, the next paragraph she admits that her son was an idiot. But you didn't include that because it doesn't fit your narrative. I've been using a 5gal gas can with the now mandatory flame arrester for a couple of years. Works great, easy to use - no problems whatsoever. It depends on what you are filling. On a lawn mower with a lot of mass it might be OK. On a chain saw, not so much. I suppose it also depends on the design of the nozzle. Some you really have to push in hard on to get the gas flowing. Fortunately I still have several old style nozzles for yard equipment but when I am filling my boat I use a big funnel and pour it straight out of the can. It never occurred to me to pour gas on a fire, from a can or from anything else for that matter. If I was going to use an accelerant, diesel soaked into an old shop rag or even a ball of dryer lint would work better anyway. I used to use sawdust soaked in paraffin in a small can (tuna size) to start fires in my fire place. |
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On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 10:47:59 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 3/23/2021 1:12 AM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 19:49:00 -0400, micky wrote: The tale of gas cans continues: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...ainst-n1252595 I lost patience with the article when they started talking about the moron pouring gas on a fire from a 5 gallon can. What changed? Gas cans have had the CARB device on them for years. I see a big surge in the sale of diesel cans and red paint if this really made the current situation worse. Yes, but her son was terminally stupid so we should spend millions to replace every gas can in existence "just in case" I am still not sure what's new. The EPA has been requiring the CARB nozzle on new gas cans since 2009. Most of my cans don't even have nozzles on them so I am not sure how this would affect me anyway. I fill my boat (where most of the gas goes) with a funnel. |
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I bought a new plastic gas can last fall. I gave my daughter my tractor and gas can, and needed a new can for my push mower.
It's got a spout, and a little lever you hold down and press the lip against the edge, and it works fine. It was easy and I didn't spill. They've obviously improved. The last time I used one of those I gave up and got my funnel. Best of all, I found a gas station that sells ethanol free gas. I put a good bit of work into repairing that push mower and want to try to keep it going. If I get my gas string trimmer working this summer I may just buy the premix. For the small amount I use, mixing oil isn't worth the hassle. |
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On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:38:07 -0700 (PDT), TimR
wrote: I bought a new plastic gas can last fall. I gave my daughter my tractor and gas can, and needed a new can for my push mower. It's got a spout, and a little lever you hold down and press the lip against the edge, and it works fine. It was easy and I didn't spill. They've obviously improved. The last time I used one of those I gave up and got my funnel. Best of all, I found a gas station that sells ethanol free gas. I put a good bit of work into repairing that push mower and want to try to keep it going. If I get my gas string trimmer working this summer I may just buy the premix. For the small amount I use, mixing oil isn't worth the hassle. I have said this before but go to a pharmacy and get a 10cc syringe. It makes mixing gas by the tank easy. Figure out how much the tank holds in ML and do a little math. I wrote the number on the machines with a sharpie. |
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On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 22:20:18 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 3/23/2021 10:09 PM, wrote: On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:38:07 -0700 (PDT), TimR wrote: I bought a new plastic gas can last fall. I gave my daughter my tractor and gas can, and needed a new can for my push mower. It's got a spout, and a little lever you hold down and press the lip against the edge, and it works fine. It was easy and I didn't spill. They've obviously improved. The last time I used one of those I gave up and got my funnel. Best of all, I found a gas station that sells ethanol free gas. I put a good bit of work into repairing that push mower and want to try to keep it going. If I get my gas string trimmer working this summer I may just buy the premix. For the small amount I use, mixing oil isn't worth the hassle. I have said this before but go to a pharmacy and get a 10cc syringe. It makes mixing gas by the tank easy. Figure out how much the tank holds in ML and do a little math. I wrote the number on the machines with a sharpie. You make it sound easy but not everyone has a Sharpie. Cut your finger and write in blood. ;-) |
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On 3/23/2021 9:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 3/23/2021 10:09 PM, wrote: On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:38:07 -0700 (PDT), TimR wrote: I bought a new plastic gas can last fall.* I gave my daughter my tractor and gas can, and needed a new can for my push mower. It's got a spout, and a little lever you hold down and press the lip against the edge, and it works fine.* It was easy and I didn't spill. They've obviously improved.* The last time I used one of those I gave up and got my funnel. Best of all, I found a gas station that sells ethanol free gas.* I put a good bit of work into repairing that push mower and want to try to keep it going. If I get my gas string trimmer working this summer I may just buy the premix.* For the small amount I use, mixing oil isn't worth the hassle. I have said this before but go to a pharmacy and get a 10cc syringe. It makes mixing gas by the tank easy. Figure out how much the tank holds in ML and do a little math. I wrote the number on the machines with a sharpie. You make it sound easy but not everyone has a Sharpie. Since all my 2 strokes are Stihl (except one 45 yr old Homelite chainsaw) I buy their premeasured bottles . 12.8 oz per 5 gallons , I use a 2.5 gal container and half a bottle . I also mix my gas (87 oct reg and 92 oct premium , both non-ethanol) 50/50 since Stihl recommends 89 or better . -- Snag In 1775, the British demanded we give them our guns. We shot them. |
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On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 08:19:34 -0500, Snag wrote:
On 3/23/2021 9:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 3/23/2021 10:09 PM, wrote: On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:38:07 -0700 (PDT), TimR wrote: I bought a new plastic gas can last fall.* I gave my daughter my tractor and gas can, and needed a new can for my push mower. It's got a spout, and a little lever you hold down and press the lip against the edge, and it works fine.* It was easy and I didn't spill. They've obviously improved.* The last time I used one of those I gave up and got my funnel. Best of all, I found a gas station that sells ethanol free gas.* I put a good bit of work into repairing that push mower and want to try to keep it going. If I get my gas string trimmer working this summer I may just buy the premix.* For the small amount I use, mixing oil isn't worth the hassle. I have said this before but go to a pharmacy and get a 10cc syringe. It makes mixing gas by the tank easy. Figure out how much the tank holds in ML and do a little math. I wrote the number on the machines with a sharpie. You make it sound easy but not everyone has a Sharpie. Since all my 2 strokes are Stihl (except one 45 yr old Homelite chainsaw) I buy their premeasured bottles . 12.8 oz per 5 gallons , I use a 2.5 gal container and half a bottle . I also mix my gas (87 oct reg and 92 oct premium , both non-ethanol) 50/50 since Stihl recommends 89 or better . I burn enough gas in my boat that it doesn't get stale so I still buy E-10 and mix as I go for yard equipment that doesn't get used nearly as much. My chain saw has a half liter tank so a 10cc shot of oil is perfect for it. (50:1) My Remington 2700 weed eater has a slightly smaller tank (414ml), uses 40:1 and it gets 10 CC too. Close enough. |
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On 3/24/2021 1:33 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 08:19:34 -0500, Snag wrote: On 3/23/2021 9:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 3/23/2021 10:09 PM, wrote: On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:38:07 -0700 (PDT), TimR wrote: I bought a new plastic gas can last fall.* I gave my daughter my tractor and gas can, and needed a new can for my push mower. It's got a spout, and a little lever you hold down and press the lip against the edge, and it works fine.* It was easy and I didn't spill. They've obviously improved.* The last time I used one of those I gave up and got my funnel. Best of all, I found a gas station that sells ethanol free gas.* I put a good bit of work into repairing that push mower and want to try to keep it going. If I get my gas string trimmer working this summer I may just buy the premix.* For the small amount I use, mixing oil isn't worth the hassle. I have said this before but go to a pharmacy and get a 10cc syringe. It makes mixing gas by the tank easy. Figure out how much the tank holds in ML and do a little math. I wrote the number on the machines with a sharpie. You make it sound easy but not everyone has a Sharpie. Since all my 2 strokes are Stihl (except one 45 yr old Homelite chainsaw) I buy their premeasured bottles . 12.8 oz per 5 gallons , I use a 2.5 gal container and half a bottle . I also mix my gas (87 oct reg and 92 oct premium , both non-ethanol) 50/50 since Stihl recommends 89 or better . I burn enough gas in my boat that it doesn't get stale so I still buy E-10 and mix as I go for yard equipment that doesn't get used nearly as much. My chain saw has a half liter tank so a 10cc shot of oil is perfect for it. (50:1) My Remington 2700 weed eater has a slightly smaller tank (414ml), uses 40:1 and it gets 10 CC too. Close enough. Hey , whatever works for you . I use enough that it would be a PITA to mix it a tank at a time . -- Snag In 1775, the British demanded we give them our guns. We shot them. |
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On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 15:03:55 -0500, Snag wrote:
On 3/24/2021 1:33 PM, wrote: On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 08:19:34 -0500, Snag wrote: On 3/23/2021 9:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 3/23/2021 10:09 PM, wrote: On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:38:07 -0700 (PDT), TimR wrote: I bought a new plastic gas can last fall.* I gave my daughter my tractor and gas can, and needed a new can for my push mower. It's got a spout, and a little lever you hold down and press the lip against the edge, and it works fine.* It was easy and I didn't spill. They've obviously improved.* The last time I used one of those I gave up and got my funnel. Best of all, I found a gas station that sells ethanol free gas.* I put a good bit of work into repairing that push mower and want to try to keep it going. If I get my gas string trimmer working this summer I may just buy the premix.* For the small amount I use, mixing oil isn't worth the hassle. I have said this before but go to a pharmacy and get a 10cc syringe. It makes mixing gas by the tank easy. Figure out how much the tank holds in ML and do a little math. I wrote the number on the machines with a sharpie. You make it sound easy but not everyone has a Sharpie. Since all my 2 strokes are Stihl (except one 45 yr old Homelite chainsaw) I buy their premeasured bottles . 12.8 oz per 5 gallons , I use a 2.5 gal container and half a bottle . I also mix my gas (87 oct reg and 92 oct premium , both non-ethanol) 50/50 since Stihl recommends 89 or better . I burn enough gas in my boat that it doesn't get stale so I still buy E-10 and mix as I go for yard equipment that doesn't get used nearly as much. My chain saw has a half liter tank so a 10cc shot of oil is perfect for it. (50:1) My Remington 2700 weed eater has a slightly smaller tank (414ml), uses 40:1 and it gets 10 CC too. Close enough. Hey , whatever works for you . I use enough that it would be a PITA to mix it a tank at a time . Not so much here. I seldom use a whole tank of gas in either of them. I end up pouring the excess in the mower and running the little machine dry. |
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On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 11:16:43 -0400, Ralph Mowery
wrote: In article , says... I lost patience with the article when they started talking about the moron pouring gas on a fire from a 5 gallon can. What changed? Gas cans have had the CARB device on them for years. I see a big surge in the sale of diesel cans and red paint if this really made the current situation worse. Yes, but her son was terminally stupid so we should spend millions to replace every gas can in existence "just in case" Part of the problem with this country is that the government wants to protect all the dumb ones. That lets them breed more dumb ones. Then there is the law suits that follow that reward the dumb ones. I am just glad I have a few gas cans of the old design. I have one new small 2 gallon can and have spilled gas out of that than any of the other ones. I've got 2 3 gallon saferty gas cans that are likely older than some of our readers/contributors. Flame arresters, spring loaded fuel valve, all steel. |
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On 3/24/21 9:19 AM, Snag wrote:
On 3/23/2021 9:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 3/23/2021 10:09 PM, wrote: On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:38:07 -0700 (PDT), TimR wrote: SNIP * Since all my 2 strokes are Stihl (except one 45 yr old Homelite chainsaw) I buy their premeasured bottles . 12.8 oz per 5 gallons , I use a 2.5 gal container and half a bottle . I also mix my gas (87 oct reg and 92 oct premium , both non-ethanol) 50/50 since Stihl recommends 89 or better . Echo also recommends 89/mid grade octane for their two-stroke machines. I could never figure out why such low compression engines would need anything more than regular grade 87 octane gas. Is pre-ignition really a problem? Echo also recommends using a higher grade of two stroke oil (ISO-L-EGD (ISO/CD 13738) and J.A.S.O. FD) instead of the cheap sludge I've always used in my 1960's vintage 70 HP Evinrude outboard that's still running like a champ. Nonetheless, I've used the Echo-recommended oil in all my Echo lawn tools and they too are working fine. -- With all the gun control talk, I havent heard one politician say how they plan to take guns away from criminals and terrorists just from law abiding citizens... |
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On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 10:35:00 -0400, Wade Garrett
wrote: On 3/24/21 9:19 AM, Snag wrote: On 3/23/2021 9:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 3/23/2021 10:09 PM, wrote: On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:38:07 -0700 (PDT), TimR wrote: SNIP * Since all my 2 strokes are Stihl (except one 45 yr old Homelite chainsaw) I buy their premeasured bottles . 12.8 oz per 5 gallons , I use a 2.5 gal container and half a bottle . I also mix my gas (87 oct reg and 92 oct premium , both non-ethanol) 50/50 since Stihl recommends 89 or better . Echo also recommends 89/mid grade octane for their two-stroke machines. I could never figure out why such low compression engines would need anything more than regular grade 87 octane gas. Is pre-ignition really a problem? Echo also recommends using a higher grade of two stroke oil (ISO-L-EGD (ISO/CD 13738) and J.A.S.O. FD) instead of the cheap sludge I've always used in my 1960's vintage 70 HP Evinrude outboard that's still running like a champ. Nonetheless, I've used the Echo-recommended oil in all my Echo lawn tools and they too are working fine. Has any homeowner actually ever worn out the engine on a weed eater? They usually get tossed because of other things, just like cars. |
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wrote in message ... On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 10:35:00 -0400, Wade Garrett wrote: On 3/24/21 9:19 AM, Snag wrote: On 3/23/2021 9:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 3/23/2021 10:09 PM, wrote: On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:38:07 -0700 (PDT), TimR wrote: SNIP Since all my 2 strokes are Stihl (except one 45 yr old Homelite chainsaw) I buy their premeasured bottles . 12.8 oz per 5 gallons , I use a 2.5 gal container and half a bottle . I also mix my gas (87 oct reg and 92 oct premium , both non-ethanol) 50/50 since Stihl recommends 89 or better . Echo also recommends 89/mid grade octane for their two-stroke machines. I could never figure out why such low compression engines would need anything more than regular grade 87 octane gas. Is pre-ignition really a problem? Echo also recommends using a higher grade of two stroke oil (ISO-L-EGD (ISO/CD 13738) and J.A.S.O. FD) instead of the cheap sludge I've always used in my 1960's vintage 70 HP Evinrude outboard that's still running like a champ. Nonetheless, I've used the Echo-recommended oil in all my Echo lawn tools and they too are working fine. Has any homeowner actually ever worn out the engine on a weed eater? Some have with chainsaws and lawn mowers. They usually get tossed because of other things, just like cars. |
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On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 22:20:18 -0400, Ed Pawlowski posted for all of us to digest... On 3/23/2021 10:09 PM, wrote: On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:38:07 -0700 (PDT), TimR wrote: I bought a new plastic gas can last fall. I gave my daughter my tractor and gas can, and needed a new can for my push mower. It's got a spout, and a little lever you hold down and press the lip against the edge, and it works fine. It was easy and I didn't spill. They've obviously improved. The last time I used one of those I gave up and got my funnel. Best of all, I found a gas station that sells ethanol free gas. I put a good bit of work into repairing that push mower and want to try to keep it going. If I get my gas string trimmer working this summer I may just buy the premix. For the small amount I use, mixing oil isn't worth the hassle. I have said this before but go to a pharmacy and get a 10cc syringe. It makes mixing gas by the tank easy. Figure out how much the tank holds in ML and do a little math. I wrote the number on the machines with a sharpie. You make it sound easy but not everyone has a Sharpie. Didn't you mean that not everyone *is* a Sharpie?? -- Tekkie |
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On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 11:40:03 -0400, Ralph Mowery
wrote: In article , says... Echo also recommends 89/mid grade octane for their two-stroke machines. I could never figure out why such low compression engines would need anything more than regular grade 87 octane gas. Is pre-ignition really a problem? Echo also recommends using a higher grade of two stroke oil (ISO-L-EGD (ISO/CD 13738) and J.A.S.O. FD) instead of the cheap sludge I've always used in my 1960's vintage 70 HP Evinrude outboard that's still running like a champ. Many years ago before the ethanol gas I heard many people say not to use the 'high test' gas in the small engines like lawn mowers, but just use the 'regular' as the high test will cause the engine to burn up. Is there anything to this, or do you just use any gas you want in the small engines, mixed with oil if needed for the 2 strokes ? They were wrong. Premium never hurt an engine. In a 2 stroke, depending on the oil mix the actual octane of the fuel can drop something like 3 to 5 points - so 93 octane mixed gas is effectively 88 to 90 octane |
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On 3/24/2021 7:33 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 15:03:55 -0500, Snag wrote: On 3/24/2021 1:33 PM, wrote: On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 08:19:34 -0500, Snag wrote: On 3/23/2021 9:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 3/23/2021 10:09 PM, wrote: On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:38:07 -0700 (PDT), TimR wrote: I bought a new plastic gas can last fall.* I gave my daughter my tractor and gas can, and needed a new can for my push mower. It's got a spout, and a little lever you hold down and press the lip against the edge, and it works fine.* It was easy and I didn't spill. They've obviously improved.* The last time I used one of those I gave up and got my funnel. Best of all, I found a gas station that sells ethanol free gas.* I put a good bit of work into repairing that push mower and want to try to keep it going. If I get my gas string trimmer working this summer I may just buy the premix.* For the small amount I use, mixing oil isn't worth the hassle. I have said this before but go to a pharmacy and get a 10cc syringe. It makes mixing gas by the tank easy. Figure out how much the tank holds in ML and do a little math. I wrote the number on the machines with a sharpie. You make it sound easy but not everyone has a Sharpie. Since all my 2 strokes are Stihl (except one 45 yr old Homelite chainsaw) I buy their premeasured bottles . 12.8 oz per 5 gallons , I use a 2.5 gal container and half a bottle . I also mix my gas (87 oct reg and 92 oct premium , both non-ethanol) 50/50 since Stihl recommends 89 or better . I burn enough gas in my boat that it doesn't get stale so I still buy E-10 and mix as I go for yard equipment that doesn't get used nearly as much. My chain saw has a half liter tank so a 10cc shot of oil is perfect for it. (50:1) My Remington 2700 weed eater has a slightly smaller tank (414ml), uses 40:1 and it gets 10 CC too. Close enough. Hey , whatever works for you . I use enough that it would be a PITA to mix it a tank at a time . Not so much here. I seldom use a whole tank of gas in either of them. I end up pouring the excess in the mower and running the little machine dry. Not so much with the line trimmer , but I quite often go thru over a tank of gas in the saws . -- Snag In 1775, the British demanded we give them our guns. We shot them. |
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On 3/25/2021 9:35 AM, Wade Garrett wrote:
On 3/24/21 9:19 AM, Snag wrote: On 3/23/2021 9:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 3/23/2021 10:09 PM, wrote: On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:38:07 -0700 (PDT), TimR wrote: SNIP ** Since all my 2 strokes are Stihl (except one 45 yr old Homelite chainsaw) I buy their premeasured bottles . 12.8 oz per 5 gallons , I use a 2.5 gal container and half a bottle . I also mix my gas (87 oct reg and 92 oct premium , both non-ethanol) 50/50 since Stihl recommends 89 or better . Echo also recommends 89/mid grade octane for their* two-stroke machines. I could never figure out why such low compression engines would need anything more than regular grade 87 octane gas. Is pre-ignition really a problem? If you get a buildup of carbon in the combustion chamber and top of the piston it can get higher . Run it hard with deposits and they can get hot enough to act as a glow plug . -- Snag In 1775, the British demanded we give them our guns. We shot them. |
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On 3/25/2021 11:54 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 10:35:00 -0400, Wade Garrett wrote: On 3/24/21 9:19 AM, Snag wrote: On 3/23/2021 9:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 3/23/2021 10:09 PM, wrote: On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:38:07 -0700 (PDT), TimR wrote: SNIP * Since all my 2 strokes are Stihl (except one 45 yr old Homelite chainsaw) I buy their premeasured bottles . 12.8 oz per 5 gallons , I use a 2.5 gal container and half a bottle . I also mix my gas (87 oct reg and 92 oct premium , both non-ethanol) 50/50 since Stihl recommends 89 or better . Echo also recommends 89/mid grade octane for their two-stroke machines. I could never figure out why such low compression engines would need anything more than regular grade 87 octane gas. Is pre-ignition really a problem? Echo also recommends using a higher grade of two stroke oil (ISO-L-EGD (ISO/CD 13738) and J.A.S.O. FD) instead of the cheap sludge I've always used in my 1960's vintage 70 HP Evinrude outboard that's still running like a champ. Nonetheless, I've used the Echo-recommended oil in all my Echo lawn tools and they too are working fine. Has any homeowner actually ever worn out the engine on a weed eater? They usually get tossed because of other things, just like cars. Yup , got one the neighbor wanted fixed . It still ran , but only at around half power . Had as much suction as compression when you pulled the rope . -- Snag In 1775, the British demanded we give them our guns. We shot them. |
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On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 20:56:24 -0400, Ralph Mowery
wrote: In article , says... Has any homeowner actually ever worn out the engine on a weed eater? They usually get tossed because of other things, just like cars. If like I used to be, they got tossed because they would not start. That was for the cheap ones. After I retired and had time, I found out most of them needed the carborator cleaned out or some fuel line in the gas tank was bad. Often the filter in the tank broke off and then let junk into the carborator. Once I found out carburetors are $20 on Amazon I won't screw with them. One possible exception is the one on my Honda "walk behind" that has a main jet you can run a tip cleaner through just by taking the bowl off. I am not sure why other manufacturers don't do that. I always did like Honda tho. |
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On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 20:08:49 -0500, Snag wrote:
On 3/24/2021 7:33 PM, wrote: On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 15:03:55 -0500, Snag wrote: On 3/24/2021 1:33 PM, wrote: On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 08:19:34 -0500, Snag wrote: On 3/23/2021 9:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 3/23/2021 10:09 PM, wrote: On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:38:07 -0700 (PDT), TimR wrote: I bought a new plastic gas can last fall.* I gave my daughter my tractor and gas can, and needed a new can for my push mower. It's got a spout, and a little lever you hold down and press the lip against the edge, and it works fine.* It was easy and I didn't spill. They've obviously improved.* The last time I used one of those I gave up and got my funnel. Best of all, I found a gas station that sells ethanol free gas.* I put a good bit of work into repairing that push mower and want to try to keep it going. If I get my gas string trimmer working this summer I may just buy the premix.* For the small amount I use, mixing oil isn't worth the hassle. I have said this before but go to a pharmacy and get a 10cc syringe. It makes mixing gas by the tank easy. Figure out how much the tank holds in ML and do a little math. I wrote the number on the machines with a sharpie. You make it sound easy but not everyone has a Sharpie. Since all my 2 strokes are Stihl (except one 45 yr old Homelite chainsaw) I buy their premeasured bottles . 12.8 oz per 5 gallons , I use a 2.5 gal container and half a bottle . I also mix my gas (87 oct reg and 92 oct premium , both non-ethanol) 50/50 since Stihl recommends 89 or better . I burn enough gas in my boat that it doesn't get stale so I still buy E-10 and mix as I go for yard equipment that doesn't get used nearly as much. My chain saw has a half liter tank so a 10cc shot of oil is perfect for it. (50:1) My Remington 2700 weed eater has a slightly smaller tank (414ml), uses 40:1 and it gets 10 CC too. Close enough. Hey , whatever works for you . I use enough that it would be a PITA to mix it a tank at a time . Not so much here. I seldom use a whole tank of gas in either of them. I end up pouring the excess in the mower and running the little machine dry. Not so much with the line trimmer , but I quite often go thru over a tank of gas in the saws . If I am cleaning up after a hurricane or clearing out the canal I might burn a gallon of gas but usually it is just a few limbs. Sometime I just use my electric (taken off the pole saw) but my "Husqvarna" doesn't screw around. It gets the job done a lot faster. |
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On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 20:17:43 -0500, Snag wrote:
On 3/25/2021 11:54 AM, wrote: On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 10:35:00 -0400, Wade Garrett wrote: On 3/24/21 9:19 AM, Snag wrote: On 3/23/2021 9:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 3/23/2021 10:09 PM, wrote: On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:38:07 -0700 (PDT), TimR wrote: SNIP * Since all my 2 strokes are Stihl (except one 45 yr old Homelite chainsaw) I buy their premeasured bottles . 12.8 oz per 5 gallons , I use a 2.5 gal container and half a bottle . I also mix my gas (87 oct reg and 92 oct premium , both non-ethanol) 50/50 since Stihl recommends 89 or better . Echo also recommends 89/mid grade octane for their two-stroke machines. I could never figure out why such low compression engines would need anything more than regular grade 87 octane gas. Is pre-ignition really a problem? Echo also recommends using a higher grade of two stroke oil (ISO-L-EGD (ISO/CD 13738) and J.A.S.O. FD) instead of the cheap sludge I've always used in my 1960's vintage 70 HP Evinrude outboard that's still running like a champ. Nonetheless, I've used the Echo-recommended oil in all my Echo lawn tools and they too are working fine. Has any homeowner actually ever worn out the engine on a weed eater? They usually get tossed because of other things, just like cars. Yup , got one the neighbor wanted fixed . It still ran , but only at around half power . Had as much suction as compression when you pulled the rope . Sounds like reeds. |
The tale of gas cans continues:
On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 20:56:24 -0400, Ralph Mowery
wrote: In article , says... Has any homeowner actually ever worn out the engine on a weed eater? They usually get tossed because of other things, just like cars. If like I used to be, they got tossed because they would not start. That was for the cheap ones. After I retired and had time, I found out most of them needed the carborator cleaned out or some fuel line in the gas tank was bad. Often the filter in the tank broke off and then let junk into the carborator. Lots of them lost compression to the point they would not start without rther too - or the crankcase seals started to leak and they ran lean ANF had poor transfer. In other words they wore out. Quite a few of the cheap ones had a half life of about 75 hours. In 150 they were dead. |
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On 3/26/2021 12:51 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 20:56:24 -0400, Ralph Mowery wrote: In article , says... Has any homeowner actually ever worn out the engine on a weed eater? They usually get tossed because of other things, just like cars. If like I used to be, they got tossed because they would not start. That was for the cheap ones. After I retired and had time, I found out most of them needed the carborator cleaned out or some fuel line in the gas tank was bad. Often the filter in the tank broke off and then let junk into the carborator. Lots of them lost compression to the point they would not start without rther too - or the crankcase seals started to leak and they ran lean ANF had poor transfer. In other words they wore out. Quite a few of the cheap ones had a half life of about 75 hours. In 150 they were dead. I was looking at the data tag on a Poulan chainsaw , it said the expected service life was 50 hours ... that was tied to emissions levels , but from personal experience that particular make/model isn't one I would ever buy again . My Stihl equipment has much better workmanship and materials . -- Snag In 1775, the British demanded we give them our guns. We shot them. |
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