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On 3/26/2021 12:36 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 20:08:49 -0500, Snag wrote: On 3/24/2021 7:33 PM, wrote: On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 15:03:55 -0500, Snag wrote: On 3/24/2021 1:33 PM, wrote: On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 08:19:34 -0500, Snag wrote: On 3/23/2021 9:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 3/23/2021 10:09 PM, wrote: On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:38:07 -0700 (PDT), TimR wrote: I bought a new plastic gas can last fall.Â* I gave my daughter my tractor and gas can, and needed a new can for my push mower. It's got a spout, and a little lever you hold down and press the lip against the edge, and it works fine.Â* It was easy and I didn't spill. They've obviously improved.Â* The last time I used one of those I gave up and got my funnel. Best of all, I found a gas station that sells ethanol free gas.Â* I put a good bit of work into repairing that push mower and want to try to keep it going. If I get my gas string trimmer working this summer I may just buy the premix.Â* For the small amount I use, mixing oil isn't worth the hassle. I have said this before but go to a pharmacy and get a 10cc syringe. It makes mixing gas by the tank easy. Figure out how much the tank holds in ML and do a little math. I wrote the number on the machines with a sharpie. You make it sound easy but not everyone has a Sharpie. Since all my 2 strokes are Stihl (except one 45 yr old Homelite chainsaw) I buy their premeasured bottles . 12.8 oz per 5 gallons , I use a 2.5 gal container and half a bottle . I also mix my gas (87 oct reg and 92 oct premium , both non-ethanol) 50/50 since Stihl recommends 89 or better . I burn enough gas in my boat that it doesn't get stale so I still buy E-10 and mix as I go for yard equipment that doesn't get used nearly as much. My chain saw has a half liter tank so a 10cc shot of oil is perfect for it. (50:1) My Remington 2700 weed eater has a slightly smaller tank (414ml), uses 40:1 and it gets 10 CC too. Close enough. Hey , whatever works for you . I use enough that it would be a PITA to mix it a tank at a time . Not so much here. I seldom use a whole tank of gas in either of them. I end up pouring the excess in the mower and running the little machine dry. Not so much with the line trimmer , but I quite often go thru over a tank of gas in the saws . If I am cleaning up after a hurricane or clearing out the canal I might burn a gallon of gas but usually it is just a few limbs. Sometime I just use my electric (taken off the pole saw) but my "Husqvarna" doesn't screw around. It gets the job done a lot faster. Husky makes a damn fine saw ! I think the major difference between our use is that I cut several cords each year to heat my home . -- Snag In 1775, the British demanded we give them our guns. We shot them. |
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On 3/26/2021 8:47 AM, Snag wrote:
On 3/26/2021 12:51 AM, Clare Snyder wrote: On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 20:56:24 -0400, Ralph Mowery wrote: In article , says... Has any homeowner actually ever worn out the engine on a weed eater? They usually get tossed because of other things, just like cars. If like I used to be, they got tossed because they would not start. That was for the cheap ones. After I retired and had time, I found out most of them needed the carborator cleaned out or some fuel line in the gas tank was bad. Often the filter in the tank broke off and then let junk into the carborator. Lots of them lost compression to the point they would not start without rther too - or the crankcase seals started to leak and they ran lean ANF had poor transfer. In other words they wore out. Quite a few of the cheap ones had a half life of about 75 hours. In 150 they were dead. Â*I was looking at the data tag on a Poulan chainsaw , it said the expected service life was 50 hours ... that was tied to emissions levels , but from personal experience that particular make/model isn't one I would ever buy again . My Stihl equipment has much better workmanship and materials . I have a cheap Poulan and it is a piece of crap. Some companies make low cost item like that and high cost hold up much better. |
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On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 07:47:55 -0500, Snag wrote:
On 3/26/2021 12:51 AM, Clare Snyder wrote: On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 20:56:24 -0400, Ralph Mowery wrote: In article , says... Has any homeowner actually ever worn out the engine on a weed eater? They usually get tossed because of other things, just like cars. If like I used to be, they got tossed because they would not start. That was for the cheap ones. After I retired and had time, I found out most of them needed the carborator cleaned out or some fuel line in the gas tank was bad. Often the filter in the tank broke off and then let junk into the carborator. Lots of them lost compression to the point they would not start without rther too - or the crankcase seals started to leak and they ran lean ANF had poor transfer. In other words they wore out. Quite a few of the cheap ones had a half life of about 75 hours. In 150 they were dead. I was looking at the data tag on a Poulan chainsaw , it said the expected service life was 50 hours ... that was tied to emissions levels , but from personal experience that particular make/model isn't one I would ever buy again . My Stihl equipment has much better workmanship and materials . ANd that 50 hours better not be in one week!!! The duty cycle on the crap has to be less than one minute cutting and 3 resting to last even that long on some of the cheap (not necessarilly inexpensive) brands - which translates to a month or two of casual wood-cutting. |
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On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 08:02:39 -0500, Snag wrote:
On 3/26/2021 12:37 AM, wrote: On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 20:17:43 -0500, Snag wrote: On 3/25/2021 11:54 AM, wrote: On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 10:35:00 -0400, Wade Garrett wrote: On 3/24/21 9:19 AM, Snag wrote: On 3/23/2021 9:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 3/23/2021 10:09 PM, wrote: On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:38:07 -0700 (PDT), TimR wrote: SNIP Â* Since all my 2 strokes are Stihl (except one 45 yr old Homelite chainsaw) I buy their premeasured bottles . 12.8 oz per 5 gallons , I use a 2.5 gal container and half a bottle . I also mix my gas (87 oct reg and 92 oct premium , both non-ethanol) 50/50 since Stihl recommends 89 or better . Echo also recommends 89/mid grade octane for their two-stroke machines. I could never figure out why such low compression engines would need anything more than regular grade 87 octane gas. Is pre-ignition really a problem? Echo also recommends using a higher grade of two stroke oil (ISO-L-EGD (ISO/CD 13738) and J.A.S.O. FD) instead of the cheap sludge I've always used in my 1960's vintage 70 HP Evinrude outboard that's still running like a champ. Nonetheless, I've used the Echo-recommended oil in all my Echo lawn tools and they too are working fine. Has any homeowner actually ever worn out the engine on a weed eater? They usually get tossed because of other things, just like cars. Yup , got one the neighbor wanted fixed . It still ran , but only at around half power . Had as much suction as compression when you pulled the rope . Sounds like reeds. That trimmer motor has no reeds , the rings were so worn the most of the compression was lost by TDC . No other way that I know of it could have suction on the downstroke . OK I really have never taken a little 2 smoke apart. I just know old outboards. |
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On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 08:06:49 -0500, Snag wrote:
On 3/26/2021 12:36 AM, wrote: On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 20:08:49 -0500, Snag wrote: On 3/24/2021 7:33 PM, wrote: On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 15:03:55 -0500, Snag wrote: On 3/24/2021 1:33 PM, wrote: On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 08:19:34 -0500, Snag wrote: On 3/23/2021 9:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 3/23/2021 10:09 PM, wrote: On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:38:07 -0700 (PDT), TimR wrote: I bought a new plastic gas can last fall.Â* I gave my daughter my tractor and gas can, and needed a new can for my push mower. It's got a spout, and a little lever you hold down and press the lip against the edge, and it works fine.Â* It was easy and I didn't spill. They've obviously improved.Â* The last time I used one of those I gave up and got my funnel. Best of all, I found a gas station that sells ethanol free gas.Â* I put a good bit of work into repairing that push mower and want to try to keep it going. If I get my gas string trimmer working this summer I may just buy the premix.Â* For the small amount I use, mixing oil isn't worth the hassle. I have said this before but go to a pharmacy and get a 10cc syringe. It makes mixing gas by the tank easy. Figure out how much the tank holds in ML and do a little math. I wrote the number on the machines with a sharpie. You make it sound easy but not everyone has a Sharpie. Since all my 2 strokes are Stihl (except one 45 yr old Homelite chainsaw) I buy their premeasured bottles . 12.8 oz per 5 gallons , I use a 2.5 gal container and half a bottle . I also mix my gas (87 oct reg and 92 oct premium , both non-ethanol) 50/50 since Stihl recommends 89 or better . I burn enough gas in my boat that it doesn't get stale so I still buy E-10 and mix as I go for yard equipment that doesn't get used nearly as much. My chain saw has a half liter tank so a 10cc shot of oil is perfect for it. (50:1) My Remington 2700 weed eater has a slightly smaller tank (414ml), uses 40:1 and it gets 10 CC too. Close enough. Hey , whatever works for you . I use enough that it would be a PITA to mix it a tank at a time . Not so much here. I seldom use a whole tank of gas in either of them. I end up pouring the excess in the mower and running the little machine dry. Not so much with the line trimmer , but I quite often go thru over a tank of gas in the saws . If I am cleaning up after a hurricane or clearing out the canal I might burn a gallon of gas but usually it is just a few limbs. Sometime I just use my electric (taken off the pole saw) but my "Husqvarna" doesn't screw around. It gets the job done a lot faster. Husky makes a damn fine saw ! I think the major difference between our use is that I cut several cords each year to heat my home . After Irma and Charley I had several cords of wood but it was just small enough to drag with my truck, not fireplace ready. It took two 18 wheeler trailers to haul it away after Charley. Irma was 2 big claw truck beds full. |
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On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 10:50:27 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:
On 3/26/2021 8:47 AM, Snag wrote: On 3/26/2021 12:51 AM, Clare Snyder wrote: On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 20:56:24 -0400, Ralph Mowery wrote: In article , says... Has any homeowner actually ever worn out the engine on a weed eater? They usually get tossed because of other things, just like cars. If like I used to be, they got tossed because they would not start. That was for the cheap ones. After I retired and had time, I found out most of them needed the carborator cleaned out or some fuel line in the gas tank was bad. Often the filter in the tank broke off and then let junk into the carborator. Lots of them lost compression to the point they would not start without rther too - or the crankcase seals started to leak and they ran lean ANF had poor transfer. In other words they wore out. Quite a few of the cheap ones had a half life of about 75 hours. In 150 they were dead. Â*I was looking at the data tag on a Poulan chainsaw , it said the expected service life was 50 hours ... that was tied to emissions levels , but from personal experience that particular make/model isn't one I would ever buy again . My Stihl equipment has much better workmanship and materials . I have a cheap Poulan and it is a piece of crap. Some companies make low cost item like that and high cost hold up much better. I had a Remington 33 that wasn't up to the task. After fooling with it for a couple years I put it on the curb. Someone took it .. Good Luck. |
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On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 07:47:55 -0500, Snag posted for all of us to digest... On 3/26/2021 12:51 AM, Clare Snyder wrote: On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 20:56:24 -0400, Ralph Mowery wrote: In article , says... Has any homeowner actually ever worn out the engine on a weed eater? They usually get tossed because of other things, just like cars. If like I used to be, they got tossed because they would not start. That was for the cheap ones. After I retired and had time, I found out most of them needed the carborator cleaned out or some fuel line in the gas tank was bad. Often the filter in the tank broke off and then let junk into the carborator. Lots of them lost compression to the point they would not start without rther too - or the crankcase seals started to leak and they ran lean ANF had poor transfer. In other words they wore out. Quite a few of the cheap ones had a half life of about 75 hours. In 150 they were dead. I was looking at the data tag on a Poulan chainsaw , it said the expected service life was 50 hours ... that was tied to emissions levels , but from personal experience that particular make/model isn't one I would ever buy again . My Stihl equipment has much better workmanship and materials . All Stihl in the fire co, chain saws, chop saws, etc. Of course they get a regular workout and maintenance if they don't start in two pulls they are put OOS until repaired. -- Tekkie |
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On 3/26/2021 9:50 AM, Frank wrote:
On 3/26/2021 8:47 AM, Snag wrote: On 3/26/2021 12:51 AM, Clare Snyder wrote: On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 20:56:24 -0400, Ralph Mowery wrote: In article , says... Has any homeowner actually ever worn out the engine on a weed eater? They usually get tossed because of other things, just like cars. If like I used to be, they got tossed because they would not start. That was for the cheap ones. After I retired and had time, I found out most of them needed the carborator cleaned out or some fuel line in the gas tank was bad. Often the filter in the tank broke off and then let junk into the carborator. Lots of them lost compression to the point they would not start without rther too - or the crankcase seals started to leak and they ran lean ANF had poor transfer. In other words they wore out. Quite a few of the cheap ones had a half life of about 75 hours. In 150 they were dead. Â*Â*I was looking at the data tag on a Poulan chainsaw , it said the expected service life was 50 hours ... that was tied to emissions levels , but from personal experience that particular make/model isn't one I would ever buy again . My Stihl equipment has much better workmanship and materials . I have a cheap Poulan and it is a piece of crap.Â* Some companies make low cost item like that and high cost hold up much better. My Stihl MS250 cost just about twice what a comparable sized Poulan does ... and I expect it to last at least 5X as long . My "old" Stihl is an 025 , at least 20 years old . It was given to me by a neighbor that couldn't keep it running ... after I finished wearing out the original motor , I put a new one in . And when I got the new saw I went up a size to an 18" bar on the old one so they'd use the same size . Both work extremely well for what I do - as long as I take care to keep the chains sharp and the bar (slot) tight . -- Snag In 1775, the British demanded we give them our guns. We shot them. |
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In article , "frank says...
*I was looking at the data tag on a Poulan chainsaw , it said the expected service life was 50 hours ... that was tied to emissions levels , but from personal experience that particular make/model isn't one I would ever buy again . My Stihl equipment has much better workmanship and materials . I have a cheap Poulan and it is a piece of crap. Some companies make low cost item like that and high cost hold up much better. Unless you know the product it is easy to get screwed over. I bought a house with about 1.5 acres to mow. Bought a John Deere low end mower. Transmission wore out after a few years. Found out many people had the same problem. At the time I did not know Deere would make a piece of crap, but they did. |
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Ralph Mowery writes:
In article , "frank says... *I was looking at the data tag on a Poulan chainsaw , it said the expected service life was 50 hours ... that was tied to emissions levels , but from personal experience that particular make/model isn't one I would ever buy again . My Stihl equipment has much better workmanship and materials . I have a cheap Poulan and it is a piece of crap. Some companies make low cost item like that and high cost hold up much better. Unless you know the product it is easy to get screwed over. I bought a house with about 1.5 acres to mow. Bought a John Deere low end mower. Transmission wore out after a few years. Found out many people had the same problem. At the time I did not know Deere would make a piece of crap, but they did. Generally one gets what one pays for. You can buy a cheap JD at Lowes or spend a grand more for a non-consumer-grade JD from the JD dealer. |
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On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 5:38:11 PM UTC-4, TimR wrote:
I bought a new plastic gas can last fall. I gave my daughter my tractor and gas can, and needed a new can for my push mower. It's got a spout, and a little lever you hold down and press the lip against the edge, and it works fine. It was easy and I didn't spill. They've obviously improved. The last time I used one of those I gave up and got my funnel. Best of all, I found a gas station that sells ethanol free gas. I put a good bit of work into repairing that push mower and want to try to keep it going. If I get my gas string trimmer working this summer I may just buy the premix. For the small amount I use, mixing oil isn't worth the hassle. I made a run to the next town for ethanol free gas, and fueled up the push mower yesterday. To my surprise it started first pull. Yes, I replaced the carb with a cheap chinese one last summer, ran it only on ethanol free, and ran it dry before storing, but still that was a pleasant surprise. |
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On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 06:31:33 -0700 (PDT), TimR
wrote: On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 5:38:11 PM UTC-4, TimR wrote: I bought a new plastic gas can last fall. I gave my daughter my tractor and gas can, and needed a new can for my push mower. It's got a spout, and a little lever you hold down and press the lip against the edge, and it works fine. It was easy and I didn't spill. They've obviously improved. The last time I used one of those I gave up and got my funnel. Best of all, I found a gas station that sells ethanol free gas. I put a good bit of work into repairing that push mower and want to try to keep it going. If I get my gas string trimmer working this summer I may just buy the premix. For the small amount I use, mixing oil isn't worth the hassle. I made a run to the next town for ethanol free gas, and fueled up the push mower yesterday. To my surprise it started first pull. Yes, I replaced the carb with a cheap chinese one last summer, ran it only on ethanol free, and ran it dry before storing, but still that was a pleasant surprise. My lawn mowers and snow blower virtually ALWAYS start first try but I've always (for the last 15 or more years) used ethanol free gasoline. I drain the bowl of the blower and store them all with full tank - usually with a shot of sea-foam. |
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On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 12:26:37 -0400, Ralph Mowery
wrote: In article , says... To my surprise it started first pull. Yes, I replaced the carb with a cheap chinese one last summer, ran it only on ethanol free, and ran it dry before storing, but still that was a pleasant surprise. My lawn mowers and snow blower virtually ALWAYS start first try but I've always (for the last 15 or more years) used ethanol free gasoline. I drain the bowl of the blower and store them all with full tank - usually with a shot of sea-foam. I have been using the ethanol free for a few years in all the small engines and even put the Sta-bil in it . No problems. For the 4 cycle engines like the tiller and pressure washer that are only used a few times a year I let it run dry. For the 2 cycle engines I have heard not to run them dry as the oil in the gas does the lubercating and it is bad to let them run dry. For my riding mower I just make sure I double dose it with Sta-bil and have a full tank when I store it for about 3 or 4 months. It has always started very easy. One thing I do is I have a solar battery tender that I hook to the battery so it is fully charged when I first start it after storage. Before switching to the E-free gas I always had a hard time starting the engines if Ileft gas in them for a long period of time. I have even started filling my truck with the e-free as I may not drive it enough in a month to use a full tank of gas. With ethanol gas most small engines run too lean too - making them harder to start, making them difficult to idle, AND lowering the power. It gets even worse when the "greenies" restrict the jets even further - and there is NO adjustment available to compensate. |
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On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 19:49:00 -0400, micky
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On Tue, 30 Mar 2021 16:35:20 -0700 (PDT), Dean Hoffman
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