I have vines growing up in the middle of my bushes. What to do?

They look bad.

At least once a year, I rip or cut out parts I can see, but that still
leaves the stems and they grown back.

Some have grown 20 feet up the trees that are in the middle of the
bushes.

How can I now use, or have used herbicide, without killing the evergreen
bushes that surround them?

What did I do wrong in the first place?

There are also two trees, some kind of fir and an arbor vitae in the
midst of the bushes, which have a picket fence on the far side. About
once a year, I crawl under the bushes and remove litter that blows from
up to 100 yards upwind and gets stuck under the bushes. Sometimes I've
cut off the vines near the earth when I'm there, but that doesn't remove
the roots or a couple inches of stem. Could I have done more?

(Mostly litter that escapes from the garbage cans when being emptied
into the garbage truck. At least the litter can't be seen (except a
little from the yard next door, if they bend down) and it doesn't grow.)

First step after ripping or cutting out the vines is to throw them on
the ground. Can I just leave them to be cut up by the lawn mower or
can more vines sprout from the chopped up stems and leaves?


A small part is English ivy. That doesn't look so bad, but .... Does
ivy kill the trees it grows on, or do dying trees attract ivy? So far
these two trees look okay, except one has snow damage, but another tree
that I didn't care about** had both a lot of ivy and death.
Coincidence? **Heavily snow damaged, and a tulip tree had sprouted 12
feet away that is 20 feet tall already.

micky writes:

I have vines growing up in the middle of my bushes. What to do?

They look bad.

At least once a year, I rip or cut out parts I can see, but that still
leaves the stems and they grown back.

Some have grown 20 feet up the trees that are in the middle of the
bushes.

How can I now use, or have used herbicide, without killing the evergreen
bushes that surround them?

What did I do wrong in the first place?

There are also two trees, some kind of fir and an arbor vitae in the
midst of the bushes, which have a picket fence on the far side. About
once a year, I crawl under the bushes and remove litter that blows from
up to 100 yards upwind and gets stuck under the bushes. Sometimes I've
cut off the vines near the earth when I'm there, but that doesn't remove
the roots or a couple inches of stem. Could I have done more?

(Mostly litter that escapes from the garbage cans when being emptied
into the garbage truck. At least the litter can't be seen (except a
little from the yard next door, if they bend down) and it doesn't grow.)

First step after ripping or cutting out the vines is to throw them on
the ground. Can I just leave them to be cut up by the lawn mower or
can more vines sprout from the chopped up stems and leaves?


A small part is English ivy. That doesn't look so bad, but .... Does
ivy kill the trees it grows on, or do dying trees attract ivy? So far
these two trees look okay, except one has snow damage, but another tree
that I didn't care about** had both a lot of ivy and death.
Coincidence? **Heavily snow damaged, and a tulip tree had sprouted 12
feet away that is 20 feet tall already.

Ivy is one of the worst. Kill it whenever you see it.
I used to think it was attractive so I let a patch grow near my garage.
A year later I see ivy leaves inside the garage. It came right through
the wall.

For your evergreens, remove the lower branches so you can
see the trunk(s). Then a weed whacker or just pulling
is much easier. Plus it's easier to keep clean.


--
Dan Espen

On 9/13/2020 8:08 AM, micky wrote:
I have vines growing up in the middle of my bushes. What to do?

They look bad.

At least once a year, I rip or cut out parts I can see, but that still
leaves the stems and they grown back.

Some have grown 20 feet up the trees that are in the middle of the
bushes.

How can I now use, or have used herbicide, without killing the evergreen
bushes that surround them?

What did I do wrong in the first place?

There are also two trees, some kind of fir and an arbor vitae in the
midst of the bushes, which have a picket fence on the far side. About
once a year, I crawl under the bushes and remove litter that blows from
up to 100 yards upwind and gets stuck under the bushes. Sometimes I've
cut off the vines near the earth when I'm there, but that doesn't remove
the roots or a couple inches of stem. Could I have done more?

(Mostly litter that escapes from the garbage cans when being emptied
into the garbage truck. At least the litter can't be seen (except a
little from the yard next door, if they bend down) and it doesn't grow.)

First step after ripping or cutting out the vines is to throw them on
the ground. Can I just leave them to be cut up by the lawn mower or
can more vines sprout from the chopped up stems and leaves?


A small part is English ivy. That doesn't look so bad, but .... Does
ivy kill the trees it grows on, or do dying trees attract ivy? So far
these two trees look okay, except one has snow damage, but another tree
that I didn't care about** had both a lot of ivy and death.
Coincidence? **Heavily snow damaged, and a tulip tree had sprouted 12
feet away that is 20 feet tall already.


English Ivy and Bindweed are the 2 that I fight. Both will kill or
weaken whatever they grow on by stealing all the light and weighing the
branches until they break.

The best way to control either is to pull them out of the ground while
still small, but you have get the roots out or they come back.

Otherwise spraying roundup on the leaves of the pest will kill them, but
it might take a couple sprayings, and you really have to avoid getting
it on the other plants. Using a paper or cardboard shield can help that.
Untangling the weed from the plant so it is still connected to it roots
but by itself on the ground, or just put it in a cardboard box and spray
it there will also work. Roundup will kill it to the root. Spraying
roundup on the bark of trees does not seem to bother them, so spraying
ivy on a tree trunk works. Just don't hit the greenery of anything you
want to live. I have also had some luck on blackberry by cutting off a
growing end and sticking the just cut end into a vial of roundup so it
wicks it back to the roots.

In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 13 Sep 2020 11:08:30 -0400, micky
wrote:

Thianks for the answers.

If I get the vine trimming doen today, this is today's problem:

First step after ripping or cutting out the vines is to throw them on
the ground. Can I just leave them to be cut up by the lawn mower or
can more vines sprout from the chopped up stems and leaves?

micky writes:

In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 13 Sep 2020 11:08:30 -0400, micky
wrote:

Thianks for the answers.

If I get the vine trimming doen today, this is today's problem:

First step after ripping or cutting out the vines is to throw them on
the ground. Can I just leave them to be cut up by the lawn mower or
can more vines sprout from the chopped up stems and leaves?

In a normal temperate climate they'll die.
I understand Kudzu in a stream will sprout but most vines
give up the ghost unless buried back into soil.

Here in NJ I'm battling Virginia Creeper, Honey Suckle, Poison Ivy,
Ivy. I find the Honey Suckle hardest to conquer.5cc

--
Dan Espen

"micky" wrote in message
...
I have vines growing up in the middle of my bushes. What to do?

They look bad.

At least once a year, I rip or cut out parts I can see, but that still
leaves the stems and they grown back.

Some have grown 20 feet up the trees that are in the middle of the
bushes.

How can I now use, or have used herbicide, without killing the evergreen
bushes that surround them?

I cut the vines back as you have done and apply neat
Roundup to the cut top of what remains in the ground.

Works fine.

What did I do wrong in the first place?

Didn't pull the vines out when they were still very small.

There are also two trees, some kind of fir and an arbor vitae in the
midst of the bushes, which have a picket fence on the far side. About
once a year, I crawl under the bushes and remove litter that blows from
up to 100 yards upwind and gets stuck under the bushes. Sometimes I've
cut off the vines near the earth when I'm there, but that doesn't remove
the roots or a couple inches of stem. Could I have done more?

Yep, apply neat Roundup to the stubs.

(Mostly litter that escapes from the garbage cans when being emptied
into the garbage truck. At least the litter can't be seen (except a
little from the yard next door, if they bend down) and it doesn't grow.)

First step after ripping or cutting out the vines is to throw them on
the ground. Can I just leave them to be cut up by the lawn mower or
can more vines sprout from the chopped up stems and leaves?

Yes the cut up stems can do in theory. Not the leaves tho.

A small part is English ivy. That doesn't look so bad, but .... Does
ivy kill the trees it grows on, or do dying trees attract ivy? So far
these two trees look okay, except one has snow damage, but another tree
that I didn't care about** had both a lot of ivy and death.
Coincidence? **Heavily snow damaged, and a tulip tree had sprouted 12
feet away that is 20 feet tall already.

On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 04:14:28 +1000, Joshua Snow, better known as
cantankerous trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread

On Sun, 13 Sep 2020 11:08:30 -0400, micky
wrote:

I have vines growing up in the middle of my bushes. What to do?

They look bad.

At least once a year, I rip or cut out parts I can see, but that still
leaves the stems and they grown back.

Some have grown 20 feet up the trees that are in the middle of the
bushes.

How can I now use, or have used herbicide, without killing the evergreen
bushes that surround them?

What did I do wrong in the first place?

There are also two trees, some kind of fir and an arbor vitae in the
midst of the bushes, which have a picket fence on the far side. About
once a year, I crawl under the bushes and remove litter that blows from
up to 100 yards upwind and gets stuck under the bushes. Sometimes I've
cut off the vines near the earth when I'm there, but that doesn't remove
the roots or a couple inches of stem. Could I have done more?

(Mostly litter that escapes from the garbage cans when being emptied
into the garbage truck. At least the litter can't be seen (except a
little from the yard next door, if they bend down) and it doesn't grow.)

First step after ripping or cutting out the vines is to throw them on
the ground. Can I just leave them to be cut up by the lawn mower or
can more vines sprout from the chopped up stems and leaves?


A small part is English ivy. That doesn't look so bad, but .... Does
ivy kill the trees it grows on, or do dying trees attract ivy? So far
these two trees look okay, except one has snow damage, but another tree
that I didn't care about** had both a lot of ivy and death.
Coincidence? **Heavily snow damaged, and a tulip tree had sprouted 12
feet away that is 20 feet tall already.

It is tedious work but if you cut them off at the ground and paint the
stems with Brush B Gone/Garlon, they will die. Just use a small artist
paint brush. If these are pines, I bet you can find a selective
herbicide that won't hurt them. Personally I would kill the pines but
maybe that is just me. We have better ornamentals that are not as
dirty.

On 9/13/2020 9:50 AM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 13 Sep 2020 11:08:30 -0400, micky
wrote:

Thianks for the answers.

If I get the vine trimming doen today, this is today's problem:

First step after ripping or cutting out the vines is to throw them on
the ground. Can I just leave them to be cut up by the lawn mower or
can more vines sprout from the chopped up stems and leaves?


If you don't remove or kill the roots, they WILL be back fast.

On 9/13/2020 11:14 AM, Joshua Snow wrote:


"micky" wrote in message
...
I have vines growing up in the middle of my bushes.Â* What to do?

They look bad.

At least once a year, I rip or cut out parts I can see, but that still
leaves the stems and they grown back.

Some have grown 20 feet up the trees that are in the middle of the
bushes.

How can I now use, or have used herbicide, without killing the evergreen
bushes that surround them?

I cut the vines back as you have done and apply neat
Roundup to the cut top of what remains in the ground.

Works fine.

What did I do wrong in the first place?

Didn't pull the vines out when they were still very small.

There are also two trees, some kind of fir and an arbor vitae in the
midst of the bushes, which have a picket fence on the far side.Â* About
once a year, I crawl under the bushes and remove litter that blows from
up to 100 yards upwind and gets stuck under the bushes.Â*Â* Sometimes I've
cut off the vines near the earth when I'm there, but that doesn't remove
the roots or a couple inches of stem.Â*Â* Could I have done more?

Yep, apply neat Roundup to the stubs.

What is "neat roundup"?

"Bob F" wrote in message
...
On 9/13/2020 11:14 AM, Joshua Snow wrote:


"micky" wrote in message
...
I have vines growing up in the middle of my bushes. What to do?

They look bad.

At least once a year, I rip or cut out parts I can see, but that still
leaves the stems and they grown back.

Some have grown 20 feet up the trees that are in the middle of the
bushes.

How can I now use, or have used herbicide, without killing the evergreen
bushes that surround them?

I cut the vines back as you have done and apply neat
Roundup to the cut top of what remains in the ground.

Works fine.

What did I do wrong in the first place?

Didn't pull the vines out when they were still very small.

There are also two trees, some kind of fir and an arbor vitae in the
midst of the bushes, which have a picket fence on the far side. About
once a year, I crawl under the bushes and remove litter that blows from
up to 100 yards upwind and gets stuck under the bushes. Sometimes I've
cut off the vines near the earth when I'm there, but that doesn't remove
the roots or a couple inches of stem. Could I have done more?

Yep, apply neat Roundup to the stubs.

What is "neat roundup"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundup_(herbicide)

Normally used diluted,

"Joshua Snow" writes:

"Bob F" wrote in message
...
On 9/13/2020 11:14 AM, Joshua Snow wrote:


"micky" wrote in message
...
I have vines growing up in the middle of my bushes. What to do?

They look bad.

At least once a year, I rip or cut out parts I can see, but that still
leaves the stems and they grown back.

Some have grown 20 feet up the trees that are in the middle of the
bushes.

How can I now use, or have used herbicide, without killing the evergreen
bushes that surround them?

I cut the vines back as you have done and apply neat
Roundup to the cut top of what remains in the ground.

Works fine.

What did I do wrong in the first place?

Didn't pull the vines out when they were still very small.

There are also two trees, some kind of fir and an arbor vitae in the
midst of the bushes, which have a picket fence on the far side. About
once a year, I crawl under the bushes and remove litter that blows from
up to 100 yards upwind and gets stuck under the bushes. Sometimes I've
cut off the vines near the earth when I'm there, but that doesn't remove
the roots or a couple inches of stem. Could I have done more?

Yep, apply neat Roundup to the stubs.

What is "neat roundup"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundup_(herbicide)

Normally used diluted,

Can only guess about what the poster meant using the term "neat
Roundup". I went through a few weeks of applying Roundup on a sponge to
vines growing around the yard. I finally gave up.

Ir may have killed some vines but my yard is large and it just took too
long. My primary weapon now is the weed whacker. I can take out vines
down to the ground in a few seconds. When they poke up through the
pachysandra I just take the tops off. If I was dealing with a smaller
area I could hand pull them or try topical application.

--
Dan Espen

In alt.home.lawn.garden, on Mon, 14 Sep 2020 04:14:28 +1000, "Joshua
Snow" wrote:



"micky" wrote in message
.. .
I have vines growing up in the middle of my bushes. What to do?

They look bad.

At least once a year, I rip or cut out parts I can see, but that still
leaves the stems and they grown back.

Some have grown 20 feet up the trees that are in the middle of the
bushes.

How can I now use, or have used herbicide, without killing the evergreen
bushes that surround them?

I cut the vines back as you have done and apply neat
Roundup to the cut top of what remains in the ground.

Thanks.

Interesting. I never heard of neat Roundup, and no one sells it, but
there are pages that refer to it.

Roundup itself says iit is Roundup PowerMAX Concentrate or Roundup Tough
Concentrate

But these are hard to get in one-family size. What do you recommend?

One seems only for sale in 2.5 gallons for $80. . The closest thing I
found is Roundup Tough Ultra Cconcentrate 500ml. I guess ultra means
even more concentrated, and it says 500ml makes enough for "1500m2,
equivalent to 6 tennis courts." I think I need about one square meter.

I suppose I could spray the rest on the yard, but the yard is doing okay
except for a little creeping charlie. I think I killed most of that
with someething else, and will kill the rest next spring. And I'd
have to buy a sprayer, when I'm trying to get rid of things, unless the
sprayer that attaches to the garden hose would work. Darn.

Suggestions?

Works fine.

What did I do wrong in the first place?

Didn't pull the vines out when they were still very small.

Haha.

There are also two trees, some kind of fir and an arbor vitae in the
midst of the bushes, which have a picket fence on the far side. About
once a year, I crawl under the bushes and remove litter that blows from
up to 100 yards upwind and gets stuck under the bushes. Sometimes I've
cut off the vines near the earth when I'm there, but that doesn't remove
the roots or a couple inches of stem. Could I have done more?

Yep, apply neat Roundup to the stubs.

(Mostly litter that escapes from the garbage cans when being emptied
into the garbage truck. At least the litter can't be seen (except a
little from the yard next door, if they bend down) and it doesn't grow.)

First step after ripping or cutting out the vines is to throw them on
the ground. Can I just leave them to be cut up by the lawn mower or
can more vines sprout from the chopped up stems and leaves?

Yes the cut up stems can do in theory.

Probably if they're buried, not just sitting on top of the grass, the
cut grass, and maybe the dirt.

Not the leaves tho.

A small part is English ivy. That doesn't look so bad, but .... Does
ivy kill the trees it grows on, or do dying trees attract ivy? So far
these two trees look okay, except one has snow damage, but another tree
that I didn't care about** had both a lot of ivy and death.
Coincidence? **Heavily snow damaged, and a tulip tree had sprouted 12
feet away that is 20 feet tall already.

In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 13 Sep 2020 17:04:26 -0400,
wrote:

On Sun, 13 Sep 2020 11:08:30 -0400, micky
wrote:

I have vines growing up in the middle of my bushes. What to do?

They look bad.

At least once a year, I rip or cut out parts I can see, but that still
leaves the stems and they grown back.

Some have grown 20 feet up the trees that are in the middle of the
bushes.

How can I now use, or have used herbicide, without killing the evergreen
bushes that surround them?

What did I do wrong in the first place?

There are also two trees, some kind of fir and an arbor vitae in the
midst of the bushes, which have a picket fence on the far side. About
once a year, I crawl under the bushes and remove litter that blows from
up to 100 yards upwind and gets stuck under the bushes. Sometimes I've
cut off the vines near the earth when I'm there, but that doesn't remove
the roots or a couple inches of stem. Could I have done more?

(Mostly litter that escapes from the garbage cans when being emptied
into the garbage truck. At least the litter can't be seen (except a
little from the yard next door, if they bend down) and it doesn't grow.)

First step after ripping or cutting out the vines is to throw them on
the ground. Can I just leave them to be cut up by the lawn mower or
can more vines sprout from the chopped up stems and leaves?


A small part is English ivy. That doesn't look so bad, but .... Does
ivy kill the trees it grows on, or do dying trees attract ivy? So far
these two trees look okay, except one has snow damage, but another tree
that I didn't care about** had both a lot of ivy and death.
Coincidence? **Heavily snow damaged, and a tulip tree had sprouted 12
feet away that is 20 feet tall already.

It is tedious work but if you cut them off at the ground and paint the
stems with Brush B Gone/Garlon, they will die. Just use a small artist

Thanks.
The closest I cuold find was a different brand, BioAdvanced Brush Killer
https://www.amazon.com/BioAdvanced-7...DHK/ref=sr_1_3

paint brush. If these are pines, I bet you can find a selective
herbicide that won't hurt them. Personally I would kill the pines but
maybe that is just me. We have better ornamentals that are not as
dirty.

The trees will have to stay where they are.

In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 14 Sep 2020 07:22:26 -0400, Dan Espen
wrote:


Can only guess about what the poster meant using the term "neat
Roundup".

The term is used on the web, and even in a Roundup page.

I went through a few weeks of applying Roundup on a sponge to
vines growing around the yard. I finally gave up.

Ir may have killed some vines but my yard is large and it just took too
long. My primary weapon now is the weed whacker. I can take out vines
down to the ground in a few seconds.

These vines grow from under the bushes, and the bushes are ground level.

When they poke up through the
pachysandra I just take the tops off. If I was dealing with a smaller
area I could hand pull them or try topical application.

When I crawl in behind them, I can see where the weeds start, and there
might be under 6 places, but I can't get any leverage to pull them out.
I can barely get my arm in to pull out a piece of litter. I think I can
paint the stems though.

AHA, A MUCH BETTER QUESTION: Next month or next spring when the vines
I broke off have grown longer again and I can see them,., can I paint
the stems with the brush killer at a point 3 feet above the ground?

That would be a lot easier than crawling under the bushes and trees and
stretching one arm out to the vines.

--
Dan Espen

In article , NONONOmisc07
@bigfoot.com says...

I cut the vines back as you have done and apply neat
Roundup to the cut top of what remains in the ground.

Thanks.

Interesting. I never heard of neat Roundup, and no one sells it, but
there are pages that refer to it.

Roundup itself says iit is Roundup PowerMAX Concentrate or Roundup Tough
Concentrate


I would not cut the vines back too much. Trim them some and then use a
brush to paint the leaves of what you want to kill off. It may take a
week or so for the vines to die.

Instead of just looking for Roundup look for anything that has
Glyphosate in it. That is mostly what Roundup is. Be caeful about
getting it on anything you want to live as it kills off most everything
it touches. It is absorbed by the leaves and goes down to kill off the
roots.

On 9/13/2020 10:53 PM, Joshua Snow wrote:


"Bob F" wrote in message
...
On 9/13/2020 11:14 AM, Joshua Snow wrote:


"micky" wrote in message
...
I have vines growing up in the middle of my bushes.Â* What to do?

They look bad.

At least once a year, I rip or cut out parts I can see, but that still
leaves the stems and they grown back.

Some have grown 20 feet up the trees that are in the middle of the
bushes.

How can I now use, or have used herbicide, without killing the
evergreen
bushes that surround them?

I cut the vines back as you have done and apply neat
Roundup to the cut top of what remains in the ground.

Works fine.

What did I do wrong in the first place?

Didn't pull the vines out when they were still very small.

There are also two trees, some kind of fir and an arbor vitae in the
midst of the bushes, which have a picket fence on the far side.Â* About
once a year, I crawl under the bushes and remove litter that blows from
up to 100 yards upwind and gets stuck under the bushes.Â*Â* Sometimes
I've
cut off the vines near the earth when I'm there, but that doesn't
remove
the roots or a couple inches of stem.Â*Â* Could I have done more?

Yep, apply neat Roundup to the stubs.

What is "neat roundup"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundup_(herbicide)

Normally used diluted,

So where did the "neat" come from. It implied a different product the
way it was repeatedly used. I have never seen it before.

On 9/14/2020 11:06 AM, Bob F wrote:
On 9/13/2020 10:53 PM, Joshua Snow wrote:
....

Yep, apply neat Roundup to the stubs.

What is "neat roundup"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundup_(herbicide)

Normally used diluted,

So where did the "neat" come from. It implied a different product the
way it was repeatedly used. I have never seen it before.

Like whiskey "neat" -- no ice.

He's saying don't cut the concentrate to paint the stems.

--

micky writes:

In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 14 Sep 2020 07:22:26 -0400, Dan Espen
wrote:


Can only guess about what the poster meant using the term "neat
Roundup".

The term is used on the web, and even in a Roundup page.

I went through a few weeks of applying Roundup on a sponge to
vines growing around the yard. I finally gave up.

Ir may have killed some vines but my yard is large and it just took too
long. My primary weapon now is the weed whacker. I can take out vines
down to the ground in a few seconds.

These vines grow from under the bushes, and the bushes are ground level.

Somewhere else I recommended removing the lower branches so you can get
at the base. That's what I've done. Works with most bushes unless
you're growing the bush as a hedge.

--
Dan Espen

On 9/14/2020 4:38 AM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.lawn.garden, on Mon, 14 Sep 2020 04:14:28 +1000, "Joshua
Snow" wrote:



"micky" wrote in message
...
I have vines growing up in the middle of my bushes. What to do?

They look bad.

At least once a year, I rip or cut out parts I can see, but that still
leaves the stems and they grown back.

Some have grown 20 feet up the trees that are in the middle of the
bushes.

How can I now use, or have used herbicide, without killing the evergreen
bushes that surround them?

I cut the vines back as you have done and apply neat
Roundup to the cut top of what remains in the ground.

Thanks.

Interesting. I never heard of neat Roundup, and no one sells it, but
there are pages that refer to it.

Roundup itself says iit is Roundup PowerMAX Concentrate or Roundup Tough
Concentrate

But these are hard to get in one-family size. What do you recommend?

One seems only for sale in 2.5 gallons for $80. . The closest thing I
found is Roundup Tough Ultra Cconcentrate 500ml. I guess ultra means
even more concentrated, and it says 500ml makes enough for "1500m2,
equivalent to 6 tennis courts." I think I need about one square meter.

I suppose I could spray the rest on the yard, but the yard is doing okay
except for a little creeping charlie. I think I killed most of that
with someething else, and will kill the rest next spring. And I'd
have to buy a sprayer, when I'm trying to get rid of things, unless the
sprayer that attaches to the garden hose would work. Darn.

Suggestions?

Works fine.

What did I do wrong in the first place?

Didn't pull the vines out when they were still very small.

Haha.

There are also two trees, some kind of fir and an arbor vitae in the
midst of the bushes, which have a picket fence on the far side. About
once a year, I crawl under the bushes and remove litter that blows from
up to 100 yards upwind and gets stuck under the bushes. Sometimes I've
cut off the vines near the earth when I'm there, but that doesn't remove
the roots or a couple inches of stem. Could I have done more?

Yep, apply neat Roundup to the stubs.

(Mostly litter that escapes from the garbage cans when being emptied
into the garbage truck. At least the litter can't be seen (except a
little from the yard next door, if they bend down) and it doesn't grow.)

First step after ripping or cutting out the vines is to throw them on
the ground. Can I just leave them to be cut up by the lawn mower or
can more vines sprout from the chopped up stems and leaves?

Yes the cut up stems can do in theory.

Probably if they're buried, not just sitting on top of the grass, the
cut grass, and maybe the dirt.

Not the leaves tho.

A small part is English ivy. That doesn't look so bad, but .... Does
ivy kill the trees it grows on, or do dying trees attract ivy? So far
these two trees look okay, except one has snow damage, but another tree
that I didn't care about** had both a lot of ivy and death.
Coincidence? **Heavily snow damaged, and a tulip tree had sprouted 12
feet away that is 20 feet tall already.



I finally found the term also, associated with "Roundup ProActiv". They
recommend using the concentrate painted onto cuts in the vine trunk. It
was on a UK site, so maybe this is a UK term.

https://icl-sf.com/uploads/UK/Genera...ure%202016.pdf

On 9/14/2020 9:49 AM, dpb wrote:
On 9/14/2020 11:06 AM, Bob F wrote:
On 9/13/2020 10:53 PM, Joshua Snow wrote:
...

Yep, apply neat Roundup to the stubs.

What is "neat roundup"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundup_(herbicide)

Normally used diluted,

So where did the "neat" come from. It implied a different product the
way it was repeatedly used. I have never seen it before.

Like whiskey "neat" -- no ice.

He's saying don't cut the concentrate to paint the stems.

I guess I'm just not enough of a drinker. I did find a reference
referring to the concentrate, and still did not make that connection.
Thanks.

On 9/14/2020 10:07 AM, Bob F wrote:
On 9/14/2020 4:38 AM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.lawn.garden, on Mon, 14 Sep 2020 04:14:28 +1000, "Joshua
Snow" wrote:



"micky" wrote in message
...
I have vines growing up in the middle of my bushes.Â* What to do?

They look bad.

At least once a year, I rip or cut out parts I can see, but that still
leaves the stems and they grown back.

Some have grown 20 feet up the trees that are in the middle of the
bushes.

How can I now use, or have used herbicide, without killing the
evergreen
bushes that surround them?

I cut the vines back as you have done and apply neat
Roundup to the cut top of what remains in the ground.

Thanks.

Interesting.Â* I never heard of neat Roundup, and no one sells it, but
there are pages that refer to it.

Roundup itself says iit is Roundup PowerMAX Concentrate or Roundup Tough
Concentrate

But these are hard to get in one-family size.Â*Â* What do you recommend?

One seems only for sale in 2.5 gallons for $80.Â* .Â* The closest thing I
found is Roundup Tough Ultra Cconcentrate 500ml.Â*Â* I guess ultra means
even more concentrated, and it says 500ml makes enough for "1500m2,
equivalent to 6 tennis courts."Â*Â* I think I need about one square meter.

I suppose I could spray the rest on the yard, but the yard is doing okay
except for a little creeping charlie.Â* I think I killed most of that
with someething else, and will kill the rest next spring.Â*Â*Â* And I'd
have to buy a sprayer, when I'm trying to get rid of things, unless the
sprayer that attaches to the garden hose would work.Â*Â* Darn.

Suggestions?

Works fine.

What did I do wrong in the first place?

Didn't pull the vines out when they were still very small.

Â* Haha.

There are also two trees, some kind of fir and an arbor vitae in the
midst of the bushes, which have a picket fence on the far side.Â* About
once a year, I crawl under the bushes and remove litter that blows from
up to 100 yards upwind and gets stuck under the bushes.Â*Â* Sometimes
I've
cut off the vines near the earth when I'm there, but that doesn't
remove
the roots or a couple inches of stem.Â*Â* Could I have done more?

Yep, apply neat Roundup to the stubs.

(Mostly litter that escapes from the garbage cans when being emptied
into the garbage truck.Â* At least the litter can't be seen (except a
little from the yard next door, if they bend down) and it doesn't
grow.)

First step after ripping or cutting out the vines is to throw them on
the ground.Â*Â* Can I just leave them to be cut up by the lawn mower or
can more vines sprout from the chopped up stems and leaves?

Yes the cut up stems can do in theory.

Probably if they're buried, not just sitting on top of the grass, the
cut grass, andÂ* maybe the dirt.

Not the leaves tho.

A small part is English ivy.Â* That doesn't look so bad, but .... Does
ivy kill the trees it grows on, or do dying trees attract ivy?Â*Â* So far
these two trees look okay, except one has snow damage, but another tree
that I didn't care about** had both a lot of ivy and death.
Coincidence?Â*Â* **Heavily snow damaged, and a tulip tree had sprouted 12
feet away that is 20 feet tall already.



I finally found the term also, associated with "Roundup ProActiv". They
recommend using the concentrate painted onto cuts in the vine trunk. It
was on a UK site, so maybe this is a UK term.

https://icl-sf.com/uploads/UK/Genera...ure%202016.pdf


dpb made it clear - it is a drinking term meaning not diluted (iced).

In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 14 Sep 2020 10:07:47 -0700, Bob F
wrote:



I finally found the term also, associated with "Roundup ProActiv". They
recommend using the concentrate painted onto cuts in the vine trunk. It
was on a UK site, so maybe this is a UK term.

https://icl-sf.com/uploads/UK/Genera...ure%202016.pdf

One of the two products I listed I found for sale, but at a bunch of
places in the UK, nowhere else. I'll look for the ingredient
gly-something, like Ralph said

In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 14 Sep 2020 08:25:10 -0400, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 13 Sep 2020 17:04:26 -0400,
wrote:
........
It is tedious work but if you cut them off at the ground and paint the
stems with Brush B Gone/Garlon, they will die. Just use a small artist

Thanks.
The closest I cuold find was a different brand, BioAdvanced Brush Killer
https://www.amazon.com/BioAdvanced-7...DHK/ref=sr_1_3

Turns out this doesn't have glyphosphate or if it does, it doesn't say
so.

paint brush.

"Dan Espen" wrote in message
...
"Joshua Snow" writes:

"Bob F" wrote in message
...
On 9/13/2020 11:14 AM, Joshua Snow wrote:


"micky" wrote in message
...
I have vines growing up in the middle of my bushes. What to do?

They look bad.

At least once a year, I rip or cut out parts I can see, but that still
leaves the stems and they grown back.

Some have grown 20 feet up the trees that are in the middle of the
bushes.

How can I now use, or have used herbicide, without killing the
evergreen
bushes that surround them?

I cut the vines back as you have done and apply neat
Roundup to the cut top of what remains in the ground.

Works fine.

What did I do wrong in the first place?

Didn't pull the vines out when they were still very small.

There are also two trees, some kind of fir and an arbor vitae in the
midst of the bushes, which have a picket fence on the far side. About
once a year, I crawl under the bushes and remove litter that blows
from
up to 100 yards upwind and gets stuck under the bushes. Sometimes
I've
cut off the vines near the earth when I'm there, but that doesn't
remove
the roots or a couple inches of stem. Could I have done more?

Yep, apply neat Roundup to the stubs.

What is "neat roundup"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundup_(herbicide)

Normally used diluted,

Can only guess about what the poster meant using the term "neat
Roundup". I went through a few weeks of applying Roundup on a sponge to
vines growing around the yard. I finally gave up.

But did you apply NEAT undiluted Roundup to the stump at ground
level after you had cut the vine back to just the stub in the ground ?

Ir may have killed some vines but my yard is large and it just took too
long. My primary weapon now is the weed whacker. I can take out vines
down to the ground in a few seconds. When they poke up through the
pachysandra I just take the tops off.

Neat Roundup applied to the stump avoids having to keep doing that.

If I was dealing with a smaller area I could hand pull them or try
topical application.

And that last is what I was suggesting, of NEAT Roundup, not diluted.

On 9/14/2020 11:05 AM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 14 Sep 2020 10:07:47 -0700, Bob F
wrote:



I finally found the term also, associated with "Roundup ProActiv". They
recommend using the concentrate painted onto cuts in the vine trunk. It
was on a UK site, so maybe this is a UK term.

https://icl-sf.com/uploads/UK/Genera...ure%202016.pdf

One of the two products I listed I found for sale, but at a bunch of
places in the UK, nowhere else. I'll look for the ingredient
gly-something, like Ralph said


Probably any roundup or glyphosate "concentrate" will do the job.

"micky" wrote in message
...
In alt.home.lawn.garden, on Mon, 14 Sep 2020 04:14:28 +1000, "Joshua
Snow" wrote:



"micky" wrote in message
. ..
I have vines growing up in the middle of my bushes. What to do?

They look bad.

At least once a year, I rip or cut out parts I can see, but that still
leaves the stems and they grown back.

Some have grown 20 feet up the trees that are in the middle of the
bushes.

How can I now use, or have used herbicide, without killing the evergreen
bushes that surround them?

I cut the vines back as you have done and apply neat
Roundup to the cut top of what remains in the ground.

Thanks.

Interesting. I never heard of neat Roundup, and no one sells it, but
there are pages that refer to it.

Roundup itself says iit is Roundup PowerMAX Concentrate or Roundup Tough
Concentrate

But these are hard to get in one-family size. What do you recommend?

Its readily available here, but it is a rural town
whose main industry is irrigated agriculture.

One seems only for sale in 2.5 gallons for $80. .

Yeah, it isnt cheap, but you should
be able to buy some with others etc.

The closest thing I found is Roundup Tough Ultra Cconcentrate
500ml. I guess ultra means even more concentrated, and it says
500ml makes enough for "1500m2, equivalent to 6 tennis courts."
I think I need about one square meter.

When you apply it undiluted to the stubs in the ground
after cutting the vine off, that area covered doesn't apply.

I suppose I could spray the rest on the yard, but the yard is doing
okay except for a little creeping charlie. I think I killed most of that
with someething else, and will kill the rest next spring. And I'd
have to buy a sprayer, when I'm trying to get rid of things, unless
the sprayer that attaches to the garden hose would work. Darn.

Suggestions?

Sell the excess to one of the neighbours with the same problem you have.

Works fine.

What did I do wrong in the first place?

Didn't pull the vines out when they were still very small.

Haha.

There are also two trees, some kind of fir and an arbor vitae in the
midst of the bushes, which have a picket fence on the far side. About
once a year, I crawl under the bushes and remove litter that blows from
up to 100 yards upwind and gets stuck under the bushes. Sometimes I've
cut off the vines near the earth when I'm there, but that doesn't remove
the roots or a couple inches of stem. Could I have done more?

Yep, apply neat Roundup to the stubs.

(Mostly litter that escapes from the garbage cans when being emptied
into the garbage truck. At least the litter can't be seen (except a
little from the yard next door, if they bend down) and it doesn't grow.)

First step after ripping or cutting out the vines is to throw them on
the ground. Can I just leave them to be cut up by the lawn mower or
can more vines sprout from the chopped up stems and leaves?

Yes the cut up stems can do in theory.

Probably if they're buried, not just sitting on top of the grass, the
cut grass, and maybe the dirt.

Not the leaves tho.

A small part is English ivy. That doesn't look so bad, but .... Does
ivy kill the trees it grows on, or do dying trees attract ivy? So far
these two trees look okay, except one has snow damage, but another tree
that I didn't care about** had both a lot of ivy and death.
Coincidence? **Heavily snow damaged, and a tulip tree had sprouted 12
feet away that is 20 feet tall already.

"micky" wrote in message
...
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 14 Sep 2020 07:22:26 -0400, Dan Espen
wrote:


Can only guess about what the poster meant using the term "neat
Roundup".

The term is used on the web, and even in a Roundup page.

I went through a few weeks of applying Roundup on a sponge to
vines growing around the yard. I finally gave up.

Ir may have killed some vines but my yard is large and it just took too
long. My primary weapon now is the weed whacker. I can take out vines
down to the ground in a few seconds.

These vines grow from under the bushes, and the bushes are ground level.

When they poke up through the
pachysandra I just take the tops off. If I was dealing with a smaller
area I could hand pull them or try topical application.

When I crawl in behind them, I can see where the weeds start, and there
might be under 6 places, but I can't get any leverage to pull them out.
I can barely get my arm in to pull out a piece of litter. I think I can
paint the stems though.

AHA, A MUCH BETTER QUESTION: Next month or next spring when the vines
I broke off have grown longer again and I can see them,., can I paint
the stems with the brush killer at a point 3 feet above the ground?

In my experience it works much better to apply
neat roundup to the cut stem at ground level.

Presumably because it gets inside the stem much better.

That would be a lot easier than crawling under the bushes
and trees and stretching one arm out to the vines.

Guess you could try cutting the top off at the 3' level and
applying the neat roundup to the cut surface. Nothing to
lose by trying that and then cutting it back at ground level
if that doesn't work and applying the neat roundup there.

"Bob F" wrote in message
...
On 9/13/2020 10:53 PM, Joshua Snow wrote:


"Bob F" wrote in message
...
On 9/13/2020 11:14 AM, Joshua Snow wrote:


"micky" wrote in message
...
I have vines growing up in the middle of my bushes. What to do?

They look bad.

At least once a year, I rip or cut out parts I can see, but that still
leaves the stems and they grown back.

Some have grown 20 feet up the trees that are in the middle of the
bushes.

How can I now use, or have used herbicide, without killing the
evergreen
bushes that surround them?

I cut the vines back as you have done and apply neat
Roundup to the cut top of what remains in the ground.

Works fine.

What did I do wrong in the first place?

Didn't pull the vines out when they were still very small.

There are also two trees, some kind of fir and an arbor vitae in the
midst of the bushes, which have a picket fence on the far side. About
once a year, I crawl under the bushes and remove litter that blows
from
up to 100 yards upwind and gets stuck under the bushes. Sometimes
I've
cut off the vines near the earth when I'm there, but that doesn't
remove
the roots or a couple inches of stem. Could I have done more?

Yep, apply neat Roundup to the stubs.

What is "neat roundup"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundup_(herbicide)

Normally used diluted,

So where did the "neat" come from.

Its a synonym for undiluted.

It implied a different product the way it was repeatedly used.

Nope.

I have never seen it before.

"Bob F" wrote in message
...
On 9/14/2020 10:07 AM, Bob F wrote:
On 9/14/2020 4:38 AM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.lawn.garden, on Mon, 14 Sep 2020 04:14:28 +1000, "Joshua
Snow" wrote:



"micky" wrote in message
...
I have vines growing up in the middle of my bushes. What to do?

They look bad.

At least once a year, I rip or cut out parts I can see, but that still
leaves the stems and they grown back.

Some have grown 20 feet up the trees that are in the middle of the
bushes.

How can I now use, or have used herbicide, without killing the
evergreen
bushes that surround them?

I cut the vines back as you have done and apply neat
Roundup to the cut top of what remains in the ground.

Thanks.

Interesting. I never heard of neat Roundup, and no one sells it, but
there are pages that refer to it.

Roundup itself says iit is Roundup PowerMAX Concentrate or Roundup Tough
Concentrate

But these are hard to get in one-family size. What do you recommend?

One seems only for sale in 2.5 gallons for $80. . The closest thing I
found is Roundup Tough Ultra Cconcentrate 500ml. I guess ultra means
even more concentrated, and it says 500ml makes enough for "1500m2,
equivalent to 6 tennis courts." I think I need about one square meter.

I suppose I could spray the rest on the yard, but the yard is doing okay
except for a little creeping charlie. I think I killed most of that
with someething else, and will kill the rest next spring. And I'd
have to buy a sprayer, when I'm trying to get rid of things, unless the
sprayer that attaches to the garden hose would work. Darn.

Suggestions?

Works fine.

What did I do wrong in the first place?

Didn't pull the vines out when they were still very small.

Haha.

There are also two trees, some kind of fir and an arbor vitae in the
midst of the bushes, which have a picket fence on the far side. About
once a year, I crawl under the bushes and remove litter that blows
from
up to 100 yards upwind and gets stuck under the bushes. Sometimes
I've
cut off the vines near the earth when I'm there, but that doesn't
remove
the roots or a couple inches of stem. Could I have done more?

Yep, apply neat Roundup to the stubs.

(Mostly litter that escapes from the garbage cans when being emptied
into the garbage truck. At least the litter can't be seen (except a
little from the yard next door, if they bend down) and it doesn't
grow.)

First step after ripping or cutting out the vines is to throw them on
the ground. Can I just leave them to be cut up by the lawn mower or
can more vines sprout from the chopped up stems and leaves?

Yes the cut up stems can do in theory.

Probably if they're buried, not just sitting on top of the grass, the
cut grass, and maybe the dirt.

Not the leaves tho.

A small part is English ivy. That doesn't look so bad, but .... Does
ivy kill the trees it grows on, or do dying trees attract ivy? So
far
these two trees look okay, except one has snow damage, but another
tree
that I didn't care about** had both a lot of ivy and death.
Coincidence? **Heavily snow damaged, and a tulip tree had sprouted
12
feet away that is 20 feet tall already.



I finally found the term also, associated with "Roundup ProActiv". They
recommend using the concentrate painted onto cuts in the vine trunk. It
was on a UK site, so maybe this is a UK term.

https://icl-sf.com/uploads/UK/Genera...ure%202016.pdf

dpb made it clear - it is a drinking term meaning not diluted (iced).

Not necessarily iced. Real scotch connoisseurs dont add water or ice.

Some do advocate quite literally just a drop of the best water
that they claim brings out the flavour, but that is silly given
that a lot more than than that is added to what comes out
of the still before it is aged in the barrel before drinking
decades later.

And thats scotch whisky, not the cross dressing hairy legged haggis
chasers.

On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 10:07:47 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 9/14/2020 4:38 AM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.lawn.garden, on Mon, 14 Sep 2020 04:14:28 +1000, "Joshua
Snow" wrote:



"micky" wrote in message
...
I have vines growing up in the middle of my bushes. What to do?

They look bad.

At least once a year, I rip or cut out parts I can see, but that still
leaves the stems and they grown back.

Some have grown 20 feet up the trees that are in the middle of the
bushes.

How can I now use, or have used herbicide, without killing the evergreen
bushes that surround them?

I cut the vines back as you have done and apply neat
Roundup to the cut top of what remains in the ground.

Thanks.

Interesting. I never heard of neat Roundup, and no one sells it, but
there are pages that refer to it.

Roundup itself says iit is Roundup PowerMAX Concentrate or Roundup Tough
Concentrate

But these are hard to get in one-family size. What do you recommend?

One seems only for sale in 2.5 gallons for $80. . The closest thing I
found is Roundup Tough Ultra Cconcentrate 500ml. I guess ultra means
even more concentrated, and it says 500ml makes enough for "1500m2,
equivalent to 6 tennis courts." I think I need about one square meter.

I suppose I could spray the rest on the yard, but the yard is doing okay
except for a little creeping charlie. I think I killed most of that
with someething else, and will kill the rest next spring. And I'd
have to buy a sprayer, when I'm trying to get rid of things, unless the
sprayer that attaches to the garden hose would work. Darn.

Suggestions?

Works fine.

What did I do wrong in the first place?

Didn't pull the vines out when they were still very small.

Haha.

There are also two trees, some kind of fir and an arbor vitae in the
midst of the bushes, which have a picket fence on the far side. About
once a year, I crawl under the bushes and remove litter that blows from
up to 100 yards upwind and gets stuck under the bushes. Sometimes I've
cut off the vines near the earth when I'm there, but that doesn't remove
the roots or a couple inches of stem. Could I have done more?

Yep, apply neat Roundup to the stubs.

(Mostly litter that escapes from the garbage cans when being emptied
into the garbage truck. At least the litter can't be seen (except a
little from the yard next door, if they bend down) and it doesn't grow.)

First step after ripping or cutting out the vines is to throw them on
the ground. Can I just leave them to be cut up by the lawn mower or
can more vines sprout from the chopped up stems and leaves?

Yes the cut up stems can do in theory.

Probably if they're buried, not just sitting on top of the grass, the
cut grass, and maybe the dirt.

Not the leaves tho.

A small part is English ivy. That doesn't look so bad, but .... Does
ivy kill the trees it grows on, or do dying trees attract ivy? So far
these two trees look okay, except one has snow damage, but another tree
that I didn't care about** had both a lot of ivy and death.
Coincidence? **Heavily snow damaged, and a tulip tree had sprouted 12
feet away that is 20 feet tall already.



I finally found the term also, associated with "Roundup ProActiv". They
recommend using the concentrate painted onto cuts in the vine trunk. It
was on a UK site, so maybe this is a UK term.

https://icl-sf.com/uploads/UK/Genera...ure%202016.pdf

If I am going to all the trouble to paint individual plants I am using
triclopyr. I am not screwing around with glyphosate that a lot of
weeds just laugh at.

On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 05:38:55 +1000, Joshua Snow, better known as
cantankerous trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread

--
Marland addressing senile Rodent's tall stories:
"Do you really think people believe your stories you come up with to boost
your self esteem."
Message-ID:

On 9/14/2020 4:38 AM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.lawn.garden, on Mon, 14 Sep 2020 04:14:28 +1000, "Joshua
Snow" wrote:



"micky" wrote in message
...
I have vines growing up in the middle of my bushes. What to do?

They look bad.

At least once a year, I rip or cut out parts I can see, but that still
leaves the stems and they grown back.

Some have grown 20 feet up the trees that are in the middle of the
bushes.

How can I now use, or have used herbicide, without killing the evergreen
bushes that surround them?

I cut the vines back as you have done and apply neat
Roundup to the cut top of what remains in the ground.

Thanks.

Interesting. I never heard of neat Roundup, and no one sells it, but
there are pages that refer to it.

Roundup itself says iit is Roundup PowerMAX Concentrate or Roundup Tough
Concentrate

But these are hard to get in one-family size. What do you recommend?

One seems only for sale in 2.5 gallons for $80. . The closest thing I
found is Roundup Tough Ultra Cconcentrate 500ml. I guess ultra means
even more concentrated, and it says 500ml makes enough for "1500m2,
equivalent to 6 tennis courts." I think I need about one square meter.

I suppose I could spray the rest on the yard, but the yard is doing okay
except for a little creeping charlie. I think I killed most of that
with someething else, and will kill the rest next spring. And I'd
have to buy a sprayer, when I'm trying to get rid of things, unless the
sprayer that attaches to the garden hose would work. Darn.

Suggestions?

Use a quart trigger sprayer, unless you are doing large areas.
Unmixed, the stuff will last for many years. I've probably had mine for
15 years, and it came from a garage sale "free" box. I just put a
teaspoonful in a quart trigger sprayer a couple time a year when I need
it for bindweed or ivy or certain other recurring weeds. It will also
work for tall grasses spreading into ornamental beds by placing
cardboard to protects other plants and just spraying the grass leaves
lightly.

On 9/14/2020 4:38 AM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.lawn.garden, on Mon, 14 Sep 2020 04:14:28 +1000, "Joshua
Snow" wrote:



"micky" wrote in message
...
I have vines growing up in the middle of my bushes. What to do?

They look bad.

At least once a year, I rip or cut out parts I can see, but that still
leaves the stems and they grown back.

Some have grown 20 feet up the trees that are in the middle of the
bushes.

How can I now use, or have used herbicide, without killing the evergreen
bushes that surround them?

I cut the vines back as you have done and apply neat
Roundup to the cut top of what remains in the ground.

Thanks.

Interesting. I never heard of neat Roundup, and no one sells it, but
there are pages that refer to it.

Roundup itself says iit is Roundup PowerMAX Concentrate or Roundup Tough
Concentrate

But these are hard to get in one-family size. What do you recommend?

One seems only for sale in 2.5 gallons for $80. . The closest thing I
found is Roundup Tough Ultra Cconcentrate 500ml. I guess ultra means
even more concentrated, and it says 500ml makes enough for "1500m2,
equivalent to 6 tennis courts." I think I need about one square meter.

I suppose I could spray the rest on the yard, but the yard is doing okay
except for a little creeping charlie. I think I killed most of that
with someething else, and will kill the rest next spring. And I'd
have to buy a sprayer, when I'm trying to get rid of things, unless the
sprayer that attaches to the garden hose would work. Darn.

Suggestions?

Use a quart trigger sprayer, unless you are doing large areas.
Unmixed, the stuff will last for many years. I've probably had mine for
15 years, and it came from a garage sale "free" box. I just put a
teaspoonful in a quart trigger sprayer a couple time a year when I need
it for bindweed or ivy or certain other recurring weeds. It will also
work for tall grasses spreading into ornamental beds by placing
cardboard to protects other plants and just spraying the grass leaves
lightly.

On 9/14/2020 12:57 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 9/14/2020 9:49 AM, dpb wrote:
On 9/14/2020 11:06 AM, Bob F wrote:
On 9/13/2020 10:53 PM, Joshua Snow wrote:
...

Yep, apply neat Roundup to the stubs.

What is "neat roundup"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundup_(herbicide)

Normally used diluted,

So where did the "neat" come from. It implied a different product the
way it was repeatedly used. I have never seen it before.

Like whiskey "neat" -- no ice.

He's saying don't cut the concentrate to paint the stems.

I guess I'm just not enough of a drinker. I did find a reference
referring to the concentrate, and still did not make that connection.
Thanks.

Missing out -- a single-malt Scotch neat in brandy snifter on a cold
evening in front of the fire is hard to beat...

--

On 9/14/2020 12:58 PM, Joshua Snow wrote:


"Bob F" wrote in message
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On 9/14/2020 10:07 AM, Bob F wrote:
On 9/14/2020 4:38 AM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.lawn.garden, on Mon, 14 Sep 2020 04:14:28 +1000, "Joshua
Snow" wrote:



"micky" wrote in message
...
I have vines growing up in the middle of my bushes.Â* What to do?

They look bad.

At least once a year, I rip or cut out parts I can see, but that
still
leaves the stems and they grown back.

Some have grown 20 feet up the trees that are in the middle of the
bushes.

How can I now use, or have used herbicide, without killing the
evergreen
bushes that surround them?

I cut the vines back as you have done and apply neat
Roundup to the cut top of what remains in the ground.

Thanks.

Interesting.Â* I never heard of neat Roundup, and no one sells it, but
there are pages that refer to it.

Roundup itself says iit is Roundup PowerMAX Concentrate or Roundup
Tough
Concentrate

But these are hard to get in one-family size.Â*Â* What do you recommend?

One seems only for sale in 2.5 gallons for $80.Â* .Â* The closest thing I
found is Roundup Tough Ultra Cconcentrate 500ml.Â*Â* I guess ultra means
even more concentrated, and it says 500ml makes enough for "1500m2,
equivalent to 6 tennis courts."Â*Â* I think I need about one square
meter.

I suppose I could spray the rest on the yard, but the yard is doing
okay
except for a little creeping charlie.Â* I think I killed most of that
with someething else, and will kill the rest next spring.Â*Â*Â* And I'd
have to buy a sprayer, when I'm trying to get rid of things, unless the
sprayer that attaches to the garden hose would work.Â*Â* Darn.

Suggestions?

Works fine.

What did I do wrong in the first place?

Didn't pull the vines out when they were still very small.

Â* Haha.

There are also two trees, some kind of fir and an arbor vitae in the
midst of the bushes, which have a picket fence on the far side.
About
once a year, I crawl under the bushes and remove litter that blows
from
up to 100 yards upwind and gets stuck under the bushes.
Sometimes I've
cut off the vines near the earth when I'm there, but that doesn't
remove
the roots or a couple inches of stem.Â*Â* Could I have done more?

Yep, apply neat Roundup to the stubs.

(Mostly litter that escapes from the garbage cans when being emptied
into the garbage truck.Â* At least the litter can't be seen (except a
little from the yard next door, if they bend down) and it doesn't
grow.)

First step after ripping or cutting out the vines is to throw them on
the ground.Â*Â* Can I just leave them to be cut up by the lawn mower or
can more vines sprout from the chopped up stems and leaves?

Yes the cut up stems can do in theory.

Probably if they're buried, not just sitting on top of the grass, the
cut grass, andÂ* maybe the dirt.

Not the leaves tho.

A small part is English ivy.Â* That doesn't look so bad, but .... Does
ivy kill the trees it grows on, or do dying trees attract ivy?
So far
these two trees look okay, except one has snow damage, but another
tree
that I didn't care about** had both a lot of ivy and death.
Coincidence?Â*Â* **Heavily snow damaged, and a tulip tree had
sprouted 12
feet away that is 20 feet tall already.



I finally found the term also, associated with "Roundup ProActiv".
They recommend using the concentrate painted onto cuts in the vine
trunk. It was on a UK site, so maybe this is a UK term.

https://icl-sf.com/uploads/UK/Genera...ure%202016.pdf


dpb made it clear - it is a drinking term meaning not diluted (iced).

Not necessarily iced. Real scotch connoisseurs dont add water or ice.

Some do advocate quite literally just a drop of the best water
that they claim brings out the flavour, but that is silly given
that a lot more than than that is added to what comes out
of the still before it is aged in the barrel before drinking
decades later.

And thats scotch whisky, not the cross dressing hairy legged haggis
chasers.

You were doing fine up to the last sentence. Too much information.

"Bob F" wrote in message
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On 9/14/2020 12:58 PM, Joshua Snow wrote:


"Bob F" wrote in message
...
On 9/14/2020 10:07 AM, Bob F wrote:
On 9/14/2020 4:38 AM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.lawn.garden, on Mon, 14 Sep 2020 04:14:28 +1000, "Joshua
Snow" wrote:



"micky" wrote in message
...
I have vines growing up in the middle of my bushes. What to do?

They look bad.

At least once a year, I rip or cut out parts I can see, but that
still
leaves the stems and they grown back.

Some have grown 20 feet up the trees that are in the middle of the
bushes.

How can I now use, or have used herbicide, without killing the
evergreen
bushes that surround them?

I cut the vines back as you have done and apply neat
Roundup to the cut top of what remains in the ground.

Thanks.

Interesting. I never heard of neat Roundup, and no one sells it, but
there are pages that refer to it.

Roundup itself says iit is Roundup PowerMAX Concentrate or Roundup
Tough
Concentrate

But these are hard to get in one-family size. What do you recommend?

One seems only for sale in 2.5 gallons for $80. . The closest thing
I
found is Roundup Tough Ultra Cconcentrate 500ml. I guess ultra means
even more concentrated, and it says 500ml makes enough for "1500m2,
equivalent to 6 tennis courts." I think I need about one square
meter.

I suppose I could spray the rest on the yard, but the yard is doing
okay
except for a little creeping charlie. I think I killed most of that
with someething else, and will kill the rest next spring. And I'd
have to buy a sprayer, when I'm trying to get rid of things, unless
the
sprayer that attaches to the garden hose would work. Darn.

Suggestions?

Works fine.

What did I do wrong in the first place?

Didn't pull the vines out when they were still very small.

Haha.

There are also two trees, some kind of fir and an arbor vitae in the
midst of the bushes, which have a picket fence on the far side.
About
once a year, I crawl under the bushes and remove litter that blows
from
up to 100 yards upwind and gets stuck under the bushes. Sometimes
I've
cut off the vines near the earth when I'm there, but that doesn't
remove
the roots or a couple inches of stem. Could I have done more?

Yep, apply neat Roundup to the stubs.

(Mostly litter that escapes from the garbage cans when being emptied
into the garbage truck. At least the litter can't be seen (except a
little from the yard next door, if they bend down) and it doesn't
grow.)

First step after ripping or cutting out the vines is to throw them
on
the ground. Can I just leave them to be cut up by the lawn mower
or
can more vines sprout from the chopped up stems and leaves?

Yes the cut up stems can do in theory.

Probably if they're buried, not just sitting on top of the grass, the
cut grass, and maybe the dirt.

Not the leaves tho.

A small part is English ivy. That doesn't look so bad, but ....
Does
ivy kill the trees it grows on, or do dying trees attract ivy? So
far
these two trees look okay, except one has snow damage, but another
tree
that I didn't care about** had both a lot of ivy and death.
Coincidence? **Heavily snow damaged, and a tulip tree had sprouted
12
feet away that is 20 feet tall already.



I finally found the term also, associated with "Roundup ProActiv". They
recommend using the concentrate painted onto cuts in the vine trunk. It
was on a UK site, so maybe this is a UK term.

https://icl-sf.com/uploads/UK/Genera...ure%202016.pdf

dpb made it clear - it is a drinking term meaning not diluted (iced).

Not necessarily iced. Real scotch connoisseurs dont add water or ice.

Some do advocate quite literally just a drop of the best water
that they claim brings out the flavour, but that is silly given
that a lot more than than that is added to what comes out
of the still before it is aged in the barrel before drinking
decades later.

And thats scotch whisky, not the cross dressing hairy legged haggis
chasers.

You were doing fine up to the last sentence. Too much information.

Not with someone who isnt a drinker who may well not realise
that scotch is a subset of whisky and not a person and doesnt
realise that the correct name for a person is scott, not scotch.

On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 14:52:18 -0400, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 14 Sep 2020 08:25:10 -0400, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 13 Sep 2020 17:04:26 -0400,
wrote:
.......
It is tedious work but if you cut them off at the ground and paint the
stems with Brush B Gone/Garlon, they will die. Just use a small artist

Thanks.
The closest I cuold find was a different brand, BioAdvanced Brush Killer
https://www.amazon.com/BioAdvanced-7...DHK/ref=sr_1_3

Turns out this doesn't have glyphosphate or if it does, it doesn't say
so.

paint brush.

That is basically Garlon (Tryclopyr).
It kicks Glyphosate's ass.

On 9/14/2020 3:11 PM, Joshua Snow wrote:


"Bob F" wrote in message
...
On 9/14/2020 12:58 PM, Joshua Snow wrote:


"Bob F" wrote in message
...
On 9/14/2020 10:07 AM, Bob F wrote:
On 9/14/2020 4:38 AM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.lawn.garden, on Mon, 14 Sep 2020 04:14:28 +1000, "Joshua
Snow" wrote:



"micky" wrote in message
...
I have vines growing up in the middle of my bushes.Â* What to do?

They look bad.

At least once a year, I rip or cut out parts I can see, but that
still
leaves the stems and they grown back.

Some have grown 20 feet up the trees that are in the middle of the
bushes.

How can I now use, or have used herbicide, without killing the
evergreen
bushes that surround them?

I cut the vines back as you have done and apply neat
Roundup to the cut top of what remains in the ground.

Thanks.

Interesting.Â* I never heard of neat Roundup, and no one sells it, but
there are pages that refer to it.

Roundup itself says iit is Roundup PowerMAX Concentrate or Roundup
Tough
Concentrate

But these are hard to get in one-family size.Â*Â* What do you
recommend?

One seems only for sale in 2.5 gallons for $80.Â* .Â* The closest
thing I
found is Roundup Tough Ultra Cconcentrate 500ml.Â*Â* I guess ultra
means
even more concentrated, and it says 500ml makes enough for "1500m2,
equivalent to 6 tennis courts."Â*Â* I think I need about one square
meter.

I suppose I could spray the rest on the yard, but the yard is
doing okay
except for a little creeping charlie.Â* I think I killed most of that
with someething else, and will kill the rest next spring.Â*Â*Â* And I'd
have to buy a sprayer, when I'm trying to get rid of things,
unless the
sprayer that attaches to the garden hose would work.Â*Â* Darn.

Suggestions?

Works fine.

What did I do wrong in the first place?

Didn't pull the vines out when they were still very small.

Â* Haha.

There are also two trees, some kind of fir and an arbor vitae in
the
midst of the bushes, which have a picket fence on the far side.
About
once a year, I crawl under the bushes and remove litter that
blows from
up to 100 yards upwind and gets stuck under the bushes.
Sometimes I've
cut off the vines near the earth when I'm there, but that
doesn't remove
the roots or a couple inches of stem.Â*Â* Could I have done more?

Yep, apply neat Roundup to the stubs.

(Mostly litter that escapes from the garbage cans when being
emptied
into the garbage truck.Â* At least the litter can't be seen
(except a
little from the yard next door, if they bend down) and it
doesn't grow.)

First step after ripping or cutting out the vines is to throw
them on
the ground.Â*Â* Can I just leave them to be cut up by the lawn
mower or
can more vines sprout from the chopped up stems and leaves?

Yes the cut up stems can do in theory.

Probably if they're buried, not just sitting on top of the grass, the
cut grass, andÂ* maybe the dirt.

Not the leaves tho.

A small part is English ivy.Â* That doesn't look so bad, but ....
Does
ivy kill the trees it grows on, or do dying trees attract ivy?
So far
these two trees look okay, except one has snow damage, but
another tree
that I didn't care about** had both a lot of ivy and death.
Coincidence?Â*Â* **Heavily snow damaged, and a tulip tree had
sprouted 12
feet away that is 20 feet tall already.



I finally found the term also, associated with "Roundup ProActiv".
They recommend using the concentrate painted onto cuts in the vine
trunk. It was on a UK site, so maybe this is a UK term.

https://icl-sf.com/uploads/UK/Genera...ure%202016.pdf


dpb made it clear - it is a drinking term meaning not diluted (iced).

Not necessarily iced. Real scotch connoisseurs dont add water or ice.

Some do advocate quite literally just a drop of the best water
that they claim brings out the flavour, but that is silly given
that a lot more than than that is added to what comes out
of the still before it is aged in the barrel before drinking
decades later.

And thats scotch whisky, not the cross dressing hairy legged haggis
chasers.

You were doing fine up to the last sentence. Too much information.

Not with someone who isnt a drinker who may well not realise
that scotch is a subset of whisky and not a person and doesnt
realise that the correct name for a person is scott, not scotch.

How did "cross dressing hairy legged haggis chasers" clear anything up?

"Bob F" wrote in message
...
On 9/14/2020 3:11 PM, Joshua Snow wrote:


"Bob F" wrote in message
...
On 9/14/2020 12:58 PM, Joshua Snow wrote:


"Bob F" wrote in message
...
On 9/14/2020 10:07 AM, Bob F wrote:
On 9/14/2020 4:38 AM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.lawn.garden, on Mon, 14 Sep 2020 04:14:28 +1000, "Joshua
Snow" wrote:



"micky" wrote in message
...
I have vines growing up in the middle of my bushes. What to do?

They look bad.

At least once a year, I rip or cut out parts I can see, but that
still
leaves the stems and they grown back.

Some have grown 20 feet up the trees that are in the middle of the
bushes.

How can I now use, or have used herbicide, without killing the
evergreen
bushes that surround them?

I cut the vines back as you have done and apply neat
Roundup to the cut top of what remains in the ground.

Thanks.

Interesting. I never heard of neat Roundup, and no one sells it,
but
there are pages that refer to it.

Roundup itself says iit is Roundup PowerMAX Concentrate or Roundup
Tough
Concentrate

But these are hard to get in one-family size. What do you
recommend?

One seems only for sale in 2.5 gallons for $80. . The closest
thing I
found is Roundup Tough Ultra Cconcentrate 500ml. I guess ultra
means
even more concentrated, and it says 500ml makes enough for "1500m2,
equivalent to 6 tennis courts." I think I need about one square
meter.

I suppose I could spray the rest on the yard, but the yard is doing
okay
except for a little creeping charlie. I think I killed most of that
with someething else, and will kill the rest next spring. And I'd
have to buy a sprayer, when I'm trying to get rid of things, unless
the
sprayer that attaches to the garden hose would work. Darn.

Suggestions?

Works fine.

What did I do wrong in the first place?

Didn't pull the vines out when they were still very small.

Haha.

There are also two trees, some kind of fir and an arbor vitae in
the
midst of the bushes, which have a picket fence on the far side.
About
once a year, I crawl under the bushes and remove litter that blows
from
up to 100 yards upwind and gets stuck under the bushes.
Sometimes I've
cut off the vines near the earth when I'm there, but that doesn't
remove
the roots or a couple inches of stem. Could I have done more?

Yep, apply neat Roundup to the stubs.

(Mostly litter that escapes from the garbage cans when being
emptied
into the garbage truck. At least the litter can't be seen (except
a
little from the yard next door, if they bend down) and it doesn't
grow.)

First step after ripping or cutting out the vines is to throw them
on
the ground. Can I just leave them to be cut up by the lawn mower
or
can more vines sprout from the chopped up stems and leaves?

Yes the cut up stems can do in theory.

Probably if they're buried, not just sitting on top of the grass,
the
cut grass, and maybe the dirt.

Not the leaves tho.

A small part is English ivy. That doesn't look so bad, but ....
Does
ivy kill the trees it grows on, or do dying trees attract ivy?
So far
these two trees look okay, except one has snow damage, but another
tree
that I didn't care about** had both a lot of ivy and death.
Coincidence? **Heavily snow damaged, and a tulip tree had
sprouted 12
feet away that is 20 feet tall already.



I finally found the term also, associated with "Roundup ProActiv".
They recommend using the concentrate painted onto cuts in the vine
trunk. It was on a UK site, so maybe this is a UK term.

https://icl-sf.com/uploads/UK/Genera...ure%202016.pdf

dpb made it clear - it is a drinking term meaning not diluted (iced).

Not necessarily iced. Real scotch connoisseurs dont add water or ice.

Some do advocate quite literally just a drop of the best water
that they claim brings out the flavour, but that is silly given
that a lot more than than that is added to what comes out
of the still before it is aged in the barrel before drinking
decades later.

And thats scotch whisky, not the cross dressing hairy legged haggis
chasers.

You were doing fine up to the last sentence. Too much information.

Not with someone who isnt a drinker who may well not realise
that scotch is a subset of whisky and not a person and doesnt
realise that the correct name for a person is scott, not scotch.

How did "cross dressing hairy legged haggis chasers" clear anything up?

That was one way of referring to individuals rather than the drink.
And it isnt too much information.