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Hi All,
The local Mavericks is putting in two pumps with for pure gasoline. Yippee! I lost 2.5 miles per gallon when Gasohol was forced down our throats, thank you so much. I wonder if this regulation being removed is Trump's doing? Next reg to remove, those stupid regs on washing machines. -T |
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In T writes:
Hi All, The local Mavericks is putting in two pumps with for pure gasoline. Yippee! I lost 2.5 miles per gallon when Gasohol was forced down our throats, thank you so much. I wonder if this regulation being removed is Trump's doing? Nope. In fact President Trump just endorsed the increase to E-15. -- __________________________________________________ ___ Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] |
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On 11/08/2019 09:40 PM, danny burstein wrote:
In T writes: Hi All, The local Mavericks is putting in two pumps with for pure gasoline. Yippee! I lost 2.5 miles per gallon when Gasohol was forced down our throats, thank you so much. I wonder if this regulation being removed is Trump's doing? Nope. In fact President Trump just endorsed the increase to E-15. That was to peace off the welfare queens (corn growers) after he eased the mandates to blend alcohol for the smaller refineries. You don't mess with BigAgra. |
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On 11/8/19 9:43 PM, rbowman wrote:
welfare queens (corn growers) Good description. |
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On 11/8/19 9:47 PM, T wrote:
On 11/8/19 9:43 PM, rbowman wrote: welfare queens (corn growers) Good description. Can add Tesla to the list? Gee Wiz, us common folks JUST LOVE to subsidize fancy cars for rich folks! |
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On 11/8/2019 11:40 PM, danny burstein wrote:
In T writes: Hi All, The local Mavericks is putting in two pumps with for pure gasoline. Yippee! I lost 2.5 miles per gallon when Gasohol was forced down our throats, thank you so much. I wonder if this regulation being removed is Trump's doing? Nope. In fact President Trump just endorsed the increase to E-15. All politicians are afraid to get rid of ethanol in gasoline because of the economic impact on farmers. |
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On Saturday, November 9, 2019 at 7:35:02 AM UTC-5, Frank wrote:
On 11/8/2019 11:40 PM, danny burstein wrote: In T writes: Hi All, The local Mavericks is putting in two pumps with for pure gasoline. Yippee! I lost 2.5 miles per gallon when Gasohol was forced down our throats, thank you so much. I wonder if this regulation being removed is Trump's doing? Nope. In fact President Trump just endorsed the increase to E-15. All politicians are afraid to get rid of ethanol in gasoline because of the economic impact on farmers. Yes, another lame excuse for Trump. I thought Trump was supposed to be the different one, who wasn't a politician? And like Danny said, Trump didn't just leave it as it was, Trump is increasing the use of ethanol. But heh, at least he hasn't killed anyone on Fifth Ave yet. Though there are a lot of dead Kurds. |
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On 11/8/2019 11:28 PM, T wrote:
Hi All, The local Mavericks is putting in two pumps with for pure gasoline.Â* Yippee! I lost 2.5 miles per gallon when Gasohol was forced down our throats, thank you so much. I wonder if this regulation being removed is Trump's doing? Next reg to remove, those stupid regs on washing machines. -T You probably won't cheer when you see the price though. Here it is at least 50 cents more so your cost per mile sucks. At local prices it would go from .12 at 20mpg to .129 at 22.5mpg. So, your gain is a loss. |
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On Sat, 9 Nov 2019 00:01:14 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 11/8/2019 11:28 PM, T wrote: Hi All, The local Mavericks is putting in two pumps with for pure gasoline.* Yippee! I lost 2.5 miles per gallon when Gasohol was forced down our throats, thank you so much. I wonder if this regulation being removed is Trump's doing? Next reg to remove, those stupid regs on washing machines. -T You probably won't cheer when you see the price though. Here it is at least 50 cents more so your cost per mile sucks. At local prices it would go from .12 at 20mpg to .129 at 22.5mpg. So, your gain is a loss. Maths is for communists. Trump wins AGAIN!!!! []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012 |
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On 11/8/19 10:28 PM, T wrote:
Hi All, The local Mavericks is putting in two pumps with for pure gasoline.Â* Yippee! I lost 2.5 miles per gallon when Gasohol was forced down our throats, thank you so much. I wonder if this regulation being removed is Trump's doing? Next reg to remove, those stupid regs on washing machines. -T We've had both in my little world in Nebraska. The ethanol is considerably cheaper per gallon. I haven't done the math though to figure miles per dollar which is the important thing. |
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On 11/9/19 3:31 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 11/8/19 10:28 PM, T wrote: Hi All, The local Mavericks is putting in two pumps with for pure gasoline.Â* Yippee! I lost 2.5 miles per gallon when Gasohol was forced down our throats, thank you so much. I wonder if this regulation being removed is Trump's doing? Next reg to remove, those stupid regs on washing machines. -T Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* We've had both in my little world in Nebraska.Â* The ethanol is considerably cheaper per gallon.Â* I haven't done the math though to figureÂ* miles per dollar which is the important thing. Don't forget to add in the extra cost of mainenance |
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On Saturday, November 9, 2019 at 6:47:10 AM UTC-5, T wrote:
On 11/9/19 3:31 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote: On 11/8/19 10:28 PM, T wrote: Hi All, The local Mavericks is putting in two pumps with for pure gasoline.Â* Yippee! I lost 2.5 miles per gallon when Gasohol was forced down our throats, thank you so much. I wonder if this regulation being removed is Trump's doing? Next reg to remove, those stupid regs on washing machines. -T Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* We've had both in my little world in Nebraska.Â* The ethanol is considerably cheaper per gallon.Â* I haven't done the math though to figureÂ* miles per dollar which is the important thing. Don't forget to add in the extra cost of mainenance What extra cost of maintenance? Gas with ethanol works perfectly fine in motor vehicles. There are issues with small engines. And thanks for bringing this up. Like Danny said, your super hero Trump is increasing the ethanol mandate, to try to save himself with the farmers with crops rotting in the fields as a result of his trade wars. You know, the trade wars that Trump said were easy to win? just like healtcare was easy, Trump promised lower premiums, coverage for pre-existing conditions, with no mandate. Only morons could believe that was possible. Trump never even put forth a plan. And when it all failed and came to nothing, what did Trump say? 'Who would think healthcare could be so complicated". |
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On 11/9/2019 6:52 AM, trader_4 wrote:
.... What extra cost of maintenance? Gas with ethanol works perfectly fine in motor vehicles. There are issues with small engines. And thanks for bringing this up. Like Danny said, your super hero Trump is increasing the ethanol mandate, ... What "issues" are those for anything built in this century? And Trump is _NOT_ raising the blending mandate level, simply making some effort to enforce the actual law as passed "way back when" long before he was around. The use of the small refinery loophole has allowed refiners to not live up to the mandate. Trump actually hasn't done much at all to really help the situation...it's mostly been let slide as all politicians generally do, other issues and competing interests cause enough pain to not make it worth the effort to stick to one particular cause through thick 'n thin. As far as being available, that's purely up to the local dealers as to whether they want to carry the product or not...there's one here in town who advertises it strongly but it's at quite a high price premium. I guess there are enough that he keeps going but as Cindy points out at least for his price differential there's no question ethanol blend is the MP$ winner by a significant margin. Places with more competition _might_ have a somewhat closer margin, that I have no data for. -- |
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On 11/9/2019 12:54 PM, dpb wrote:
On 11/9/2019 6:52 AM, trader_4 wrote: ... .... And Trump is _NOT_ raising the blending mandate level, simply making some effort to enforce the actual law as passed "way back when" long before he was around.Â* The use of the small refinery loophole has allowed refiners to not live up to the mandate. Actually the EPA rule on E15 finally came out in 2012 after some 15 years of lobbying against by big oil, mostly. The year-around use continued to be blocked effectively mostly by their pressure; what has done is provide the waiver temporarily to break the impasse. .... -- |
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On 11/9/19 5:47 AM, T wrote:
On 11/9/19 3:31 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote: On 11/8/19 10:28 PM, T wrote: Hi All, The local Mavericks is putting in two pumps with for pure gasoline.Â* Yippee! I lost 2.5 miles per gallon when Gasohol was forced down our throats, thank you so much. I wonder if this regulation being removed is Trump's doing? Next reg to remove, those stupid regs on washing machines. -T Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* We've had both in my little world in Nebraska.Â* The ethanol is considerably cheaper per gallon.Â* I haven't done the math though to figureÂ* miles per dollar which is the important thing. Don't forget to add in the extra cost of mainenance The only issues I remember with ethanol blend were back in the 1970s when it was first available here. Some cars had issues with pinging. Those people just wouldn't use it. Others had issues with plugged fuel filters at first. The ethanol cleaned up the varnish in the tanks which plugged the filters. A new filter fixed that issue. Ethanol does eliminate the need to use products like Heet in the winter. I use it in my mowers without problems. |
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On 11/9/2019 6:11 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 11/9/19 5:47 AM, T wrote: On 11/9/19 3:31 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote: On 11/8/19 10:28 PM, T wrote: Hi All, The local Mavericks is putting in two pumps with for pure gasoline.Â* Yippee! I lost 2.5 miles per gallon when Gasohol was forced down our throats, thank you so much. I wonder if this regulation being removed is Trump's doing? Next reg to remove, those stupid regs on washing machines. -T Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* We've had both in my little world in Nebraska.Â* The ethanol is considerably cheaper per gallon.Â* I haven't done the math though to figureÂ* miles per dollar which is the important thing. Don't forget to add in the extra cost of mainenance Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* The only issues I remember with ethanol blend were back in the 1970s when it was first available here.Â*Â* Some cars had issues with pinging.Â* Those people just wouldn't use it.Â*Â* Others had issues with plugged fuel filters at first.Â* The ethanol cleaned up the varnish in the tanks which plugged the filters. A new filter fixed that issue. Â* Ethanol does eliminate the need to use products like Heet in the winter. Â*Â* I use it in my mowers without problems. Because the gasoline with alcohol is a more polar solvent it does clean the pipes and tanks from varnish and cause these problems. I also understand because of this they cannot pipeline it and must transport in tank trucks and cars. They also had to shut down gas stations to clean their tanks or replace them. These are things that add greatly to its cost. I used it in mowers too but a few years ago I made the mistake of storing it stabilized in my snow thrower and had to take it to the shop to have seals whatever repaired. Use of ethanol as fuel was a zero sum game as cost of farming, making it and all the other crap resulted in zero energy savings. The gas companies said they could have made gas just as good without it but ADM and the rest of big agribusiness greased the palms of all the politicians in DC to say otherwise. |
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In Frank writes:
[snip] Because the gasoline with alcohol is a more polar solvent it does clean the pipes and tanks from varnish and cause these problems. I also understand because of this they cannot pipeline it and must transport in tank trucks and cars. They also had to shut down gas stations to clean their tanks or replace them. These are things that add greatly to its cost. TYpically the gasoline (no ethanol) is pipelined to some reasonably local distribution centers, and the ethanol itself is trucked over to them. So the mixing (10 parts ethanol to 90 parts gasoline [a]) takes place there, and the new solution gets loaded onto the local delivery trucks. [a] soon, alas, to be 15:85. -- __________________________________________________ ___ Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] |
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On 11/09/2019 05:19 PM, Frank wrote:
se of ethanol as fuel was a zero sum game as cost of farming, making it and all the other crap resulted in zero energy savings. The gas companies said they could have made gas just as good without it but ADM and the rest of big agribusiness greased the palms of all the politicians in DC to say otherwise. There definitely was a lot of grease spread around for ethanol but I don't exactly trust the refiners either. The drawbacks of TEL were known for decades but it took a lot to get it out of gasoline. MBTE has issues too but it was a cheaper replacement than EBTE. They could male more isooctane from isobutylene but I'm guessing either MBTE or EBTE is cheaper. EBTE does use ethanol rather than methanol but I don't know if it uses enough to keep the corn growers happy. |
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On 11/09/2019 04:11 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
The only issues I remember with ethanol blend were back in the 1970s when it was first available here. Some cars had issues with pinging. Those people just wouldn't use it. Others had issues with plugged fuel filters at first. The ethanol cleaned up the varnish in the tanks which plugged the filters. A new filter fixed that issue. Ethanol does eliminate the need to use products like Heet in the winter. I use it in my mowers without problems. Trip down memory lane: https://history.nebraska.gov/blog/ga...st-time-around https://www.historicvehicle.org/ethanol-timeline/ The first time I remember it being prevalent was when I was working in Indiana in the early '80s. I was driving an '82 Firebird and didn't have any problems. This town mandated alcohol blends in the winter to cut pollution. My highly unscientific observation is I have slightly decreased mileage in the winter. otoh, I also spend more time warming up the car and driving with a engine not up normal operating temperature. |
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On 11/9/19 8:30 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 11/09/2019 04:11 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote: Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* The only issues I remember with ethanol blend were back in the 1970s when it was first available here.Â*Â* Some cars had issues with pinging.Â* Those people just wouldn't use it.Â*Â* Others had issues with plugged fuel filters at first.Â* The ethanol cleaned up the varnish in the tanks which plugged the filters. A new filter fixed that issue. Â* Ethanol does eliminate the need to use products like Heet in the winter. Â*Â* I use it in my mowers without problems. Trip down memory lane: https://history.nebraska.gov/blog/ga...st-time-around https://www.historicvehicle.org/ethanol-timeline/ That goes back to the time of farming with horses, mules, and steam engines. Clothes washers were powered by one cylinder Maytag engines. My parents would talk about that stuff occasionally. They were born around 1920. I think it was 1947 before they had electricity to their house. The first time I remember it being prevalent was when I was working in Indiana in the early '80s. I was driving an '82 Firebird and didn't have any problems. This town mandated alcohol blends in the winter to cut pollution. My highly unscientific observation is I have slightly decreased mileage in the winter. otoh, I also spend more time warming up the car and driving with a engine not up normal operating temperature. |
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On Sat, 9 Nov 2019 03:47:05 -0800, T wrote:
On 11/9/19 3:31 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote: On 11/8/19 10:28 PM, T wrote: Hi All, The local Mavericks is putting in two pumps with for pure gasoline.* Yippee! I lost 2.5 miles per gallon when Gasohol was forced down our throats, thank you so much. I wonder if this regulation being removed is Trump's doing? Next reg to remove, those stupid regs on washing machines. -T ****** We've had both in my little world in Nebraska.* The ethanol is considerably cheaper per gallon.* I haven't done the math though to figure* miles per dollar which is the important thing. Don't forget to add in the extra cost of mainenance Yes. Alcohol burns and produces ONLY water and CO2. No oily residue to clog anything up. Cars that run on alcohol need LESS maintenance. I change my spark plugs every 30.000 Km. And they (and the cylinders) are absolutely clean when I do. The only damage is from the electrical arc. My (only) gasoline car needs a change every 10.000 Km or so. Gratz on the observation. And there's the pollution problem you didn't mention ... OK, I can wait. []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012 |
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On Sunday, November 10, 2019 at 7:28:56 AM UTC-5, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 9 Nov 2019 03:47:05 -0800, T wrote: On 11/9/19 3:31 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote: On 11/8/19 10:28 PM, T wrote: Hi All, The local Mavericks is putting in two pumps with for pure gasoline.Â* Yippee! I lost 2.5 miles per gallon when Gasohol was forced down our throats, thank you so much. I wonder if this regulation being removed is Trump's doing? Next reg to remove, those stupid regs on washing machines. -T Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* We've had both in my little world in Nebraska.Â* The ethanol is considerably cheaper per gallon.Â* I haven't done the math though to figureÂ* miles per dollar which is the important thing. Don't forget to add in the extra cost of mainenance Yes. Alcohol burns and produces ONLY water and CO2. No oily residue to clog anything up. Cars that run on alcohol need LESS maintenance. I change my spark plugs every 30.000 Km. And they (and the cylinders) are absolutely clean when I do. The only damage is from the electrical arc. The rest of us driving cars that run mostly on gasoline also change spark plugs at long intervals today. That was already happening before ethanol was introduced here. It's a function of much better engine designs AFAIK, not the fuel. There should not be any oily residue in modern cars. And oil is introduced into the combustion chamber from the cylinder walls regardless of the fuel. My (only) gasoline car needs a change every 10.000 Km or so. Gratz on the observation. Must be a crappy car or something peculiar with your situation. Here cars using gasoline typically go 100K without changing the plugs. I've changed them at that interval and they still looked fine. And there's the pollution problem you didn't mention ... OK, I can wait. []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012 |
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On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 07:26:18 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote: On Sunday, November 10, 2019 at 7:28:56 AM UTC-5, Shadow wrote: On Sat, 9 Nov 2019 03:47:05 -0800, T wrote: On 11/9/19 3:31 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote: On 11/8/19 10:28 PM, T wrote: Hi All, The local Mavericks is putting in two pumps with for pure gasoline.Â* Yippee! I lost 2.5 miles per gallon when Gasohol was forced down our throats, thank you so much. I wonder if this regulation being removed is Trump's doing? Next reg to remove, those stupid regs on washing machines. -T Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* We've had both in my little world in Nebraska.Â* The ethanol is considerably cheaper per gallon.Â* I haven't done the math though to figureÂ* miles per dollar which is the important thing. Don't forget to add in the extra cost of mainenance Yes. Alcohol burns and produces ONLY water and CO2. No oily residue to clog anything up. Cars that run on alcohol need LESS maintenance. I change my spark plugs every 30.000 Km. And they (and the cylinders) are absolutely clean when I do. The only damage is from the electrical arc. The rest of us driving cars that run mostly on gasoline also change spark plugs at long intervals today. That was already happening before ethanol was introduced here. It's a function of much better engine designs AFAIK, not the fuel. There should not be any oily residue in modern cars. And oil is introduced into the combustion chamber from the cylinder walls regardless of the fuel. Mostly getting rid of the lead and high energy ignition systems that can live with wider spark gaps. |
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"Shadow" wrote in message ... On Sat, 9 Nov 2019 03:47:05 -0800, T wrote: On 11/9/19 3:31 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote: On 11/8/19 10:28 PM, T wrote: Hi All, The local Mavericks is putting in two pumps with for pure gasoline. Yippee! I lost 2.5 miles per gallon when Gasohol was forced down our throats, thank you so much. I wonder if this regulation being removed is Trump's doing? Next reg to remove, those stupid regs on washing machines. -T We've had both in my little world in Nebraska. The ethanol is considerably cheaper per gallon. I haven't done the math though to figure miles per dollar which is the important thing. Don't forget to add in the extra cost of mainenance Yes. Alcohol burns and produces ONLY water and CO2. No oily residue to clog anything up. Cars that run on alcohol need LESS maintenance. I change my spark plugs every 30.000 Km. I havent changed mine in 75K Km and use no alcohol in my car engine. And they (and the cylinders) are absolutely clean when I do. Haven't seen mine for that reason. The only damage is from the electrical arc. My (only) gasoline car needs a change every 10.000 Km or so. What model is that ? Must be a real dinosaur. Gratz on the observation. And there's the pollution problem you didn't mention ... OK, I can wait. |
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UNBELIEVABLE: It's 04:18 am in Australia and the Senile Ozzietard has been out of Bed and TROLLING for almost an HOUR already!!!! LOL
On Mon, 11 Nov 2019 04:18:38 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: FLUSH troll**** 04:18 in Australia, AGAIN? And you've been up and trolling for almost AN HOUR already. Do you really no NO shame AT ALL? But then, which psychopath has ever known ANY shame, eh, senile Rodent? -- FredXX to Rot Speed: "You are still an idiot and an embarrassment to your country. No wonder we shipped the likes of you out of the British Isles. Perhaps stupidity and criminality is inherited after all?" Message-ID: |
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On Mon, 11 Nov 2019 04:18:38 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote: "Shadow" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 9 Nov 2019 03:47:05 -0800, T wrote: On 11/9/19 3:31 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote: On 11/8/19 10:28 PM, T wrote: Hi All, The local Mavericks is putting in two pumps with for pure gasoline. Yippee! I lost 2.5 miles per gallon when Gasohol was forced down our throats, thank you so much. I wonder if this regulation being removed is Trump's doing? Next reg to remove, those stupid regs on washing machines. -T We've had both in my little world in Nebraska. The ethanol is considerably cheaper per gallon. I haven't done the math though to figure miles per dollar which is the important thing. Don't forget to add in the extra cost of mainenance Yes. Alcohol burns and produces ONLY water and CO2. No oily residue to clog anything up. Cars that run on alcohol need LESS maintenance. I change my spark plugs every 30.000 Km. I havent changed mine in 75K Km and use no alcohol in my car engine. And they (and the cylinders) are absolutely clean when I do. Haven't seen mine for that reason. The only damage is from the electrical arc. My (only) gasoline car needs a change every 10.000 Km or so. What model is that ? Must be a real dinosaur. Plugs were good for 15k miles or so way back in the days of leaded gas and wimpy ignition systems when the had carburetors that were always a compromise on the mixture. Most could still be cleaned, gapped and used again. They were just so cheap, nobody bothered. |
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On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 09:28:18 -0300, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 9 Nov 2019 03:47:05 -0800, T wrote: On 11/9/19 3:31 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote: On 11/8/19 10:28 PM, T wrote: Hi All, The local Mavericks is putting in two pumps with for pure gasoline.Â* Yippee! I lost 2.5 miles per gallon when Gasohol was forced down our throats, thank you so much. I wonder if this regulation being removed is Trump's doing? Next reg to remove, those stupid regs on washing machines. -T Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* We've had both in my little world in Nebraska.Â* The ethanol is considerably cheaper per gallon.Â* I haven't done the math though to figureÂ* miles per dollar which is the important thing. Don't forget to add in the extra cost of mainenance Yes. Alcohol burns and produces ONLY water and CO2. No oily residue to clog anything up. Cars that run on alcohol need LESS maintenance. I change my spark plugs every 30.000 Km. And they (and the cylinders) are absolutely clean when I do. The only damage is from the electrical arc. My (only) gasoline car needs a change every 10.000 Km or so. Gratz on the observation. And there's the pollution problem you didn't mention ... OK, I can wait. []'s You change plugs every 6000 miles ? Did you drop a zero there or something? My 97 Honda has over 100k miles and I wouldn't be surprised if these are the factory plugs. I have had it since 2002 and I never changed them. |
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On 11/10/2019 05:28 AM, Shadow wrote:
I change my spark plugs every 30.000 Km. And they (and the cylinders) are absolutely clean when I do. The only damage is from the electrical arc. Going on 80,000 miles I know there are spark plugs someplace in my Toyota's engine, but I've never seen them. Changing plugs is so eighties... |
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On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 11:22:20 -0700, rbowman
wrote: On 11/10/2019 05:28 AM, Shadow wrote: I change my spark plugs every 30.000 Km. And they (and the cylinders) are absolutely clean when I do. The only damage is from the electrical arc. Going on 80,000 miles I know there are spark plugs someplace in my Toyota's engine, but I've never seen them. Changing plugs is so eighties... I am thinking more 60s 70s. By the 80s we were running unleaded, with computer controlled fuel injection and had high energy ignitions |
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On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 11:22:20 -0700, rbowman
wrote: On 11/10/2019 05:28 AM, Shadow wrote: I change my spark plugs every 30.000 Km. And they (and the cylinders) are absolutely clean when I do. The only damage is from the electrical arc. Going on 80,000 miles I know there are spark plugs someplace in my Toyota's engine, but I've never seen them. Changing plugs is so eighties... Been changed twice, I think, on my 24 year old Ford. I know I changed them once at about 320,000km and it was time - - - |
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Gasoline is back!
On Sat, 9 Nov 2019 05:31:51 -0600, Dean Hoffman
wrote: On 11/8/19 10:28 PM, T wrote: Hi All, The local Mavericks is putting in two pumps with for pure gasoline.* Yippee! I lost 2.5 miles per gallon when Gasohol was forced down our throats, thank you so much. I wonder if this regulation being removed is Trump's doing? Next reg to remove, those stupid regs on washing machines. -T We've had both in my little world in Nebraska. The ethanol is considerably cheaper per gallon. I haven't done the math though to figure miles per dollar which is the important thing. Here in Ontariariario ethanol free premium is about 17 cents a liter more expensive than regular right now 1.24 vs 1.07 (3.78 liters to the yankee gallon) so an extra $0.65 per US Gallon. About 16% more expensive than regular E10. With ethanol being about half the energy density of gasoline it works out we are paying the equivalent of 1.17 a liter for regular gasoline factoring out the energy deficiency of the ethanol. That's 7 cents a liter for the higher octane - about a 6% premium which is pretty close to what I remember as historic average (way back I'd pay a dollar a gallon for regular and a dollar 6 or a dollar 7 for premium) |
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Gasoline is back!
On Sat, 09 Nov 2019 16:09:21 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote: On Sat, 9 Nov 2019 05:31:51 -0600, Dean Hoffman wrote: On 11/8/19 10:28 PM, T wrote: Hi All, The local Mavericks is putting in two pumps with for pure gasoline.Â* Yippee! I lost 2.5 miles per gallon when Gasohol was forced down our throats, thank you so much. I wonder if this regulation being removed is Trump's doing? Next reg to remove, those stupid regs on washing machines. -T We've had both in my little world in Nebraska. The ethanol is considerably cheaper per gallon. I haven't done the math though to figure miles per dollar which is the important thing. Here in Ontariariario ethanol free premium is about 17 cents a liter more expensive than regular right now 1.24 vs 1.07 (3.78 liters to the yankee gallon) so an extra $0.65 per US Gallon. About 16% more expensive than regular E10. With ethanol being about half the energy density of gasoline it works out we are paying the equivalent of 1.17 a liter for regular gasoline factoring out the energy deficiency of the ethanol. That's 7 cents a liter for the higher octane - about a 6% premium which is pretty close to what I remember as historic average (way back I'd pay a dollar a gallon for regular and a dollar 6 or a dollar 7 for premium) It is anywhere from 30 to 70 cents more a gallon here depending on where you go and we have lots of stations carrying it. I think of it more as a cult product than a necessity, particularly if you are not storing it for a long time. I run it in everything with no problems. I do have a habit, gained long before E-10 was a thing, of running small engine equipment dry before I put them away. Old style gas used to go bad too, we just want to forget. |
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Gasoline is back!
On Sat, 09 Nov 2019 22:07:25 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote: " Pure" gas goes bad over a year or more - Ethanol fuel in months Ethanol NEVER goes bad. Think whiskey. There nothing for it to turn into... unless you dilute it to the point bacteria can transform it into vinegar. Gasoline OTOH is unstable and degenerates rapidly. []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012 |
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Gasoline is back!
wrote in message ... On Sat, 09 Nov 2019 16:09:21 -0500, Clare Snyder wrote: On Sat, 9 Nov 2019 05:31:51 -0600, Dean Hoffman wrote: On 11/8/19 10:28 PM, T wrote: Hi All, The local Mavericks is putting in two pumps with for pure gasoline. Yippee! I lost 2.5 miles per gallon when Gasohol was forced down our throats, thank you so much. I wonder if this regulation being removed is Trump's doing? Next reg to remove, those stupid regs on washing machines. -T We've had both in my little world in Nebraska. The ethanol is considerably cheaper per gallon. I haven't done the math though to figure miles per dollar which is the important thing. Here in Ontariariario ethanol free premium is about 17 cents a liter more expensive than regular right now 1.24 vs 1.07 (3.78 liters to the yankee gallon) so an extra $0.65 per US Gallon. About 16% more expensive than regular E10. With ethanol being about half the energy density of gasoline it works out we are paying the equivalent of 1.17 a liter for regular gasoline factoring out the energy deficiency of the ethanol. That's 7 cents a liter for the higher octane - about a 6% premium which is pretty close to what I remember as historic average (way back I'd pay a dollar a gallon for regular and a dollar 6 or a dollar 7 for premium) It is anywhere from 30 to 70 cents more a gallon here depending on where you go and we have lots of stations carrying it. I think of it more as a cult product than a necessity, particularly if you are not storing it for a long time. I run it in everything with no problems. I do have a habit, gained long before E-10 was a thing, of running small engine equipment dry before I put them away. Old style gas used to go bad too, we just want to forget. We have the reverse situation here, everyone has 91 and 98 octane unleaded and diesel and some have E10 as well. Very little of our ethanol comes from corn crops. Thats always struck me as a completely mad approach particularly when mandated by the govt. Generally not good value per kilojoule but some are attracted by the lower price. Apparently few bother to stock LPG anymore, mainly because its not very competitive on price anymore even tho we produce lots of it, but mainly export it in massive tankers. |
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Gasoline is back!
On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 14:04:33 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Sat, 09 Nov 2019 16:09:21 -0500, Clare Snyder wrote: On Sat, 9 Nov 2019 05:31:51 -0600, Dean Hoffman wrote: On 11/8/19 10:28 PM, T wrote: Hi All, The local Mavericks is putting in two pumps with for pure gasoline. Yippee! I lost 2.5 miles per gallon when Gasohol was forced down our throats, thank you so much. I wonder if this regulation being removed is Trump's doing? Next reg to remove, those stupid regs on washing machines. -T We've had both in my little world in Nebraska. The ethanol is considerably cheaper per gallon. I haven't done the math though to figure miles per dollar which is the important thing. Here in Ontariariario ethanol free premium is about 17 cents a liter more expensive than regular right now 1.24 vs 1.07 (3.78 liters to the yankee gallon) so an extra $0.65 per US Gallon. About 16% more expensive than regular E10. With ethanol being about half the energy density of gasoline it works out we are paying the equivalent of 1.17 a liter for regular gasoline factoring out the energy deficiency of the ethanol. That's 7 cents a liter for the higher octane - about a 6% premium which is pretty close to what I remember as historic average (way back I'd pay a dollar a gallon for regular and a dollar 6 or a dollar 7 for premium) It is anywhere from 30 to 70 cents more a gallon here depending on where you go and we have lots of stations carrying it. I think of it more as a cult product than a necessity, particularly if you are not storing it for a long time. I run it in everything with no problems. I do have a habit, gained long before E-10 was a thing, of running small engine equipment dry before I put them away. Old style gas used to go bad too, we just want to forget. We have the reverse situation here, everyone has 91 and 98 octane unleaded and diesel and some have E10 as well. Very little of our ethanol comes from corn crops. Thats always struck me as a completely mad approach particularly when mandated by the govt. Generally not good value per kilojoule but some are attracted by the lower price. Apparently few bother to stock LPG anymore, mainly because its not very competitive on price anymore even tho we produce lots of it, but mainly export it in massive tankers. You just don't grow as much corn as we do. The whole midwest is growing wheat and corn. Corn seems to be the easiest to grow since it is immune to roundup. They can spray the fields with roundup and nothing can grow there but corn. That means we have lots of it and it shows up in damned near everything, including motor fuel. We have a bunch of natural gas but LNG is not as easy to handle as ethanol that is stable at STP. |
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Lonely Psychotic Senile Ozzie Troll Alert!
On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 14:04:33 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: We have the reverse situation here, everyone has 91 and 98 octane There's NO "we" for you! EVERYONE has someone to talk to, YOU don't, you cantankerous senile cretin from Oz! -- Website (from 2007) dedicated to the 85-year-old trolling senile cretin from Oz: https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/r...d-faq.2973853/ |
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Gasoline is back!
On Friday, November 8, 2019 at 11:28:57 PM UTC-5, T wrote:
Hi All, The local Mavericks is putting in two pumps with for pure gasoline. Yippee! I lost 2.5 miles per gallon when Gasohol was forced down our throats, thank you so much. I wonder if this regulation being removed is Trump's doing? Next reg to remove, those stupid regs on washing machines. -T Why washing machines? I've got a relatively new (2013) washer that works just fine and wasn't much more expensive than the one I bought in 1989. Cindy Hamilton |
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Gasoline is back!
On Saturday, November 9, 2019 at 7:03:09 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Friday, November 8, 2019 at 11:28:57 PM UTC-5, T wrote: Hi All, The local Mavericks is putting in two pumps with for pure gasoline. Yippee! I lost 2.5 miles per gallon when Gasohol was forced down our throats, thank you so much. I wonder if this regulation being removed is Trump's doing? Next reg to remove, those stupid regs on washing machines. -T Why washing machines? I've got a relatively new (2013) washer that works just fine and wasn't much more expensive than the one I bought in 1989. Cindy Hamilton T is like Trump. The faster we can get back to the good old days the better. They want to ride around smoking big cigars in horseless carriages, women and children fleeing before them, with big factory smoke stacks spewing black ash, rivers that catch on fire, meat factories with no inspectors packing rotten meat..... |
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