According to a recent report from the Nebraska Farm Bureau, the
international tariffs are costing farmers in the state $943 million in
lost revenue. The projected losses would be in addition to
tariff-related losses in farm-level income estimated between $695
million to $1.026 billion in 2018, according to the report.

Beyond Nebraska, Midwest farmers are also feeling the strain as
bankruptcies skyrocket. Data from the American Farm Bureau Federation
published in July showed delinquency rates are at a six-year high for
commercial agricultural loans in both the real estate and non-real
estate lending.

Wisconsin, Kansas, and Minnesota are leading the nation in Chapter 12
filings. Bankruptcy filings in Kansas and Minnesota increased so
significantly in the past year that they reached the highest levels of
the past decade, according to the report.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mid...hina-trade-war
--
Bod

On 9/14/19 5:19 AM, Bod wrote:
According to a recent report from the Nebraska Farm Bureau, the international tariffs are costing farmers in the state $943 million in lost revenue. The projected losses would be in addition to tariff-related losses in farm-level income estimated between
$695 million to $1.026 billion in 2018, according to the report.

Beyond Nebraska, Midwest farmers are also feeling the strain as bankruptcies skyrocket. Data from the American Farm Bureau Federation published in July showed delinquency rates are at a six-year high for commercial agricultural loans in both the real
estate and non-real estate lending.

Wisconsin, Kansas, and Minnesota are leading the nation in Chapter 12 filings. Bankruptcy filings in Kansas and Minnesota increased so significantly in the past year that they reached the highest levels of the past decade, according to the report.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mid...hina-trade-war


Organic farmers here are doing great...even without the USDA's welfare subsidies.
Of course if you don't like organic, you can always eat genetically modified crops grown in nutrient-depleted soil and marinated in glyphosate.
It's all about free choice.

https://www.motherjones.com/food/201...-conventional/

On 14/09/2019 10:59, devnull wrote:
On 9/14/19 5:19 AM, Bod wrote:
According to a recent report from the Nebraska Farm Bureau, the
international tariffs are costing farmers in the state $943 million in
lost revenue. The projected losses would be in addition to
tariff-related losses in farm-level income estimated between $695
million to $1.026 billion in 2018, according to the report.

Beyond Nebraska, Midwest farmers are also feeling the strain as
bankruptcies skyrocket. Data from the American Farm Bureau Federation
published in July showed delinquency rates are at a six-year high for
commercial agricultural loans in both the real estate and non-real
estate lending.

Wisconsin, Kansas, and Minnesota are leading the nation in Chapter 12
filings. Bankruptcy filings in Kansas and Minnesota increased so
significantly in the past year that they reached the highest levels of
the past decade, according to the report.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mid...hina-trade-war



Organic farmers here are doing great...even without the USDA's welfare
subsidies.
Of course if you don't like organic, you can always eat genetically
modified crops grown in nutrient-depleted soil and marinated in glyphosate.
It's all about free choice.

https://www.motherjones.com/food/201...-conventional/

Not much good if you're farm has gone bankrupt, leaving you with no
money and debts.

"bankruptcies skyrocket"

--
Bod

On 9/14/19 6:07 AM, Bod wrote:
On 14/09/2019 10:59, devnull wrote:
On 9/14/19 5:19 AM, Bod wrote:
According to a recent report from the Nebraska Farm Bureau, the international tariffs are costing farmers in the state $943 million in lost revenue. The projected losses would be in addition to tariff-related losses in farm-level income estimated
between $695 million to $1.026 billion in 2018, according to the report.

Beyond Nebraska, Midwest farmers are also feeling the strain as bankruptcies skyrocket. Data from the American Farm Bureau Federation published in July showed delinquency rates are at a six-year high for commercial agricultural loans in both the real
estate and non-real estate lending.

Wisconsin, Kansas, and Minnesota are leading the nation in Chapter 12 filings. Bankruptcy filings in Kansas and Minnesota increased so significantly in the past year that they reached the highest levels of the past decade, according to the report.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mid...hina-trade-war


Organic farmers here are doing great...even without the USDA's welfare subsidies.
Of course if you don't like organic, you can always eat genetically modified crops grown in nutrient-depleted soil and marinated in glyphosate.
It's all about free choice.

https://www.motherjones.com/food/201...-conventional/
Not much good if you're farm has gone bankrupt, leaving you with no money and debts.

"bankruptcies skyrocket"



Running a business is not easy, some farmers just don't have what it takes. OTOH, the smart organic farmers are thriving.
It's all about supply and demand and providing what people want. It's called capitalism, get it?

On 14/09/2019 14:52, devnull wrote:
On 9/14/19 6:07 AM, Bod wrote:
On 14/09/2019 10:59, devnull wrote:
On 9/14/19 5:19 AM, Bod wrote:
According to a recent report from the Nebraska Farm Bureau, the
international tariffs are costing farmers in the state $943 million
in lost revenue. The projected losses would be in addition to
tariff-related losses in farm-level income estimated between $695
million to $1.026 billion in 2018, according to the report.

Beyond Nebraska, Midwest farmers are also feeling the strain as
bankruptcies skyrocket. Data from the American Farm Bureau
Federation published in July showed delinquency rates are at a
six-year high for commercial agricultural loans in both the real
estate and non-real estate lending.

Wisconsin, Kansas, and Minnesota are leading the nation in Chapter
12 filings. Bankruptcy filings in Kansas and Minnesota increased so
significantly in the past year that they reached the highest levels
of the past decade, according to the report.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mid...hina-trade-war



Organic farmers here are doing great...even without the USDA's
welfare subsidies.
Of course if you don't like organic, you can always eat genetically
modified crops grown in nutrient-depleted soil and marinated in
glyphosate.
It's all about free choice.

https://www.motherjones.com/food/201...-conventional/

Â* Not much good if you're farm has gone bankrupt, leaving you with no
money and debts.

"bankruptcies skyrocket"



Running a business is not easy, some farmers just don't have what it
takes.Â* OTOH, the smart organic farmers are thriving.
It's all about supply and demand and providing what people want.Â* It's
called capitalism, get it?

You call 2% a high demand?

Sales of organic food have grown by 20 percent annually, and experts
predict that the industry's share of the U.S. food market is expected to
grow from about 2 percent to roughly 3.5 percent by the end of the decade.
Demand for Organic Food Growing Faster than Domestic Supply

https://www.organicconsumers.org ۼ news ۼ demand-organic-food-growing-...

--
Bod

On 14/09/2019 15:00, Bod wrote:
On 14/09/2019 14:52, devnull wrote:
On 9/14/19 6:07 AM, Bod wrote:
On 14/09/2019 10:59, devnull wrote:
On 9/14/19 5:19 AM, Bod wrote:
According to a recent report from the Nebraska Farm Bureau, the
international tariffs are costing farmers in the state $943 million
in lost revenue. The projected losses would be in addition to
tariff-related losses in farm-level income estimated between $695
million to $1.026 billion in 2018, according to the report.

Beyond Nebraska, Midwest farmers are also feeling the strain as
bankruptcies skyrocket. Data from the American Farm Bureau
Federation published in July showed delinquency rates are at a
six-year high for commercial agricultural loans in both the real
estate and non-real estate lending.

Wisconsin, Kansas, and Minnesota are leading the nation in Chapter
12 filings. Bankruptcy filings in Kansas and Minnesota increased so
significantly in the past year that they reached the highest levels
of the past decade, according to the report.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mid...hina-trade-war



Organic farmers here are doing great...even without the USDA's
welfare subsidies.
Of course if you don't like organic, you can always eat genetically
modified crops grown in nutrient-depleted soil and marinated in
glyphosate.
It's all about free choice.

https://www.motherjones.com/food/201...-conventional/

Â* Not much good if you're farm has gone bankrupt, leaving you with
no money and debts.

"bankruptcies skyrocket"



Running a business is not easy, some farmers just don't have what it
takes.Â* OTOH, the smart organic farmers are thriving.
It's all about supply and demand and providing what people want.Â* It's
called capitalism, get it?

You call 2% a high demand?

Sales of organic food have grown by 20 percent annually, and experts
predict that the industry's share of the U.S. food market is expected to
grow from about 2 percent to roughly 3.5 percent by the end of the decade.
Demand for Organic Food Growing Faster than Domestic Supply

https://www.organicconsumers.org ۼ news ۼ demand-organic-food-growing-...


More FACTS:

Together, certified organic cropland and pasture accounted for about
0.6 percent of the U.S. total farmland in 2011. Only a small percentage
of the top U.S. field crops€”corn (0.3 percent), soybeans (0.2 percent),
and wheat (0.6 percent)€”were grown under certified organic farming systems.
Documentation - USDA ERS

https://www.ers.usda.gov ۼ data-products ۼ organic-production ۼ documenta...

--
Bod

On 14/09/2019 15:08, Bod wrote:
On 14/09/2019 15:00, Bod wrote:
On 14/09/2019 14:52, devnull wrote:
On 9/14/19 6:07 AM, Bod wrote:
On 14/09/2019 10:59, devnull wrote:
On 9/14/19 5:19 AM, Bod wrote:
According to a recent report from the Nebraska Farm Bureau, the
international tariffs are costing farmers in the state $943
million in lost revenue. The projected losses would be in addition
to tariff-related losses in farm-level income estimated between
$695 million to $1.026 billion in 2018, according to the report.

Beyond Nebraska, Midwest farmers are also feeling the strain as
bankruptcies skyrocket. Data from the American Farm Bureau
Federation published in July showed delinquency rates are at a
six-year high for commercial agricultural loans in both the real
estate and non-real estate lending.

Wisconsin, Kansas, and Minnesota are leading the nation in Chapter
12 filings. Bankruptcy filings in Kansas and Minnesota increased
so significantly in the past year that they reached the highest
levels of the past decade, according to the report.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mid...hina-trade-war



Organic farmers here are doing great...even without the USDA's
welfare subsidies.
Of course if you don't like organic, you can always eat genetically
modified crops grown in nutrient-depleted soil and marinated in
glyphosate.
It's all about free choice.

https://www.motherjones.com/food/201...-conventional/

Â* Not much good if you're farm has gone bankrupt, leaving you with
no money and debts.

"bankruptcies skyrocket"



Running a business is not easy, some farmers just don't have what it
takes.Â* OTOH, the smart organic farmers are thriving.
It's all about supply and demand and providing what people want.
It's called capitalism, get it?
Â*
Â* You call 2% a high demand?

Sales of organic food have grown by 20 percent annually, and experts
predict that the industry's share of the U.S. food market is expected
to grow from about 2 percent to roughly 3.5 percent by the end of the
decade.
Demand for Organic Food Growing Faster than Domestic Supply

https://www.organicconsumers.org ۼ news ۼ demand-organic-food-growing-...


More FACTS:

Â*Together, certified organic cropland and pasture accounted for about
0.6 percent of the U.S. total farmland in 2011. Only a small percentage
of the top U.S. field crops€”corn (0.3 percent), soybeans (0.2 percent),
and wheat (0.6 percent)€”were grown under certified organic farming systems.
Documentation - USDA ERS

https://www.ers.usda.gov ۼ data-products ۼ organic-production ۼ
documenta...

UPDATE:

Organic farming statistics - Statistics Explained

https://ec.europa.eu ۼ eurostat ۼ statistics-explained ۼ index.php ۼ
Organic...
30 Jan 2019 - Data from January 2019. Planned update: January ...
Organic area made up 7% of total EU agricultural land in 2017. This
article describes the ...

--
Bod

On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 09:52:35 -0400, devnull wrote:

On 9/14/19 6:07 AM, Bod wrote:
On 14/09/2019 10:59, devnull wrote:
On 9/14/19 5:19 AM, Bod wrote:
According to a recent report from the Nebraska Farm Bureau, the international tariffs are costing farmers in the state $943 million in lost revenue. The projected losses would be in addition to tariff-related losses in farm-level income estimated
between $695 million to $1.026 billion in 2018, according to the report.

Beyond Nebraska, Midwest farmers are also feeling the strain as bankruptcies skyrocket. Data from the American Farm Bureau Federation published in July showed delinquency rates are at a six-year high for commercial agricultural loans in both the real
estate and non-real estate lending.

Wisconsin, Kansas, and Minnesota are leading the nation in Chapter 12 filings. Bankruptcy filings in Kansas and Minnesota increased so significantly in the past year that they reached the highest levels of the past decade, according to the report.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mid...hina-trade-war


Organic farmers here are doing great...even without the USDA's welfare subsidies.
Of course if you don't like organic, you can always eat genetically modified crops grown in nutrient-depleted soil and marinated in glyphosate.
It's all about free choice.

https://www.motherjones.com/food/201...-conventional/
Not much good if you're farm has gone bankrupt, leaving you with no money and debts.

"bankruptcies skyrocket"



Running a business is not easy, some farmers just don't have what it takes.

And yet they DID "have what it takes" before the tariffs.
Must be a coincidence...
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012

On 14/09/2019 15:14, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 09:52:35 -0400, devnull wrote:

On 9/14/19 6:07 AM, Bod wrote:
On 14/09/2019 10:59, devnull wrote:
On 9/14/19 5:19 AM, Bod wrote:
According to a recent report from the Nebraska Farm Bureau, the international tariffs are costing farmers in the state $943 million in lost revenue. The projected losses would be in addition to tariff-related losses in farm-level income estimated
between $695 million to $1.026 billion in 2018, according to the report.

Beyond Nebraska, Midwest farmers are also feeling the strain as bankruptcies skyrocket. Data from the American Farm Bureau Federation published in July showed delinquency rates are at a six-year high for commercial agricultural loans in both the real
estate and non-real estate lending.

Wisconsin, Kansas, and Minnesota are leading the nation in Chapter 12 filings. Bankruptcy filings in Kansas and Minnesota increased so significantly in the past year that they reached the highest levels of the past decade, according to the report.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mid...hina-trade-war


Organic farmers here are doing great...even without the USDA's welfare subsidies.
Of course if you don't like organic, you can always eat genetically modified crops grown in nutrient-depleted soil and marinated in glyphosate.
It's all about free choice.

https://www.motherjones.com/food/201...-conventional/
Not much good if you're farm has gone bankrupt, leaving you with no money and debts.

"bankruptcies skyrocket"



Running a business is not easy, some farmers just don't have what it takes.

And yet they DID "have what it takes" before the tariffs.
Must be a coincidence...
[]'s

The daily bull**** from Trump and Trumpets is simply unbelievable.

--
Bod

On Saturday, September 14, 2019 at 10:00:26 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
On 14/09/2019 14:52, devnull wrote:
On 9/14/19 6:07 AM, Bod wrote:
On 14/09/2019 10:59, devnull wrote:
On 9/14/19 5:19 AM, Bod wrote:
According to a recent report from the Nebraska Farm Bureau, the
international tariffs are costing farmers in the state $943 million
in lost revenue. The projected losses would be in addition to
tariff-related losses in farm-level income estimated between $695
million to $1.026 billion in 2018, according to the report.

Beyond Nebraska, Midwest farmers are also feeling the strain as
bankruptcies skyrocket. Data from the American Farm Bureau
Federation published in July showed delinquency rates are at a
six-year high for commercial agricultural loans in both the real
estate and non-real estate lending.

Wisconsin, Kansas, and Minnesota are leading the nation in Chapter
12 filings. Bankruptcy filings in Kansas and Minnesota increased so
significantly in the past year that they reached the highest levels
of the past decade, according to the report.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mid...hina-trade-war



Organic farmers here are doing great...even without the USDA's
welfare subsidies.
Of course if you don't like organic, you can always eat genetically
modified crops grown in nutrient-depleted soil and marinated in
glyphosate.
It's all about free choice.

https://www.motherjones.com/food/201...-conventional/

Â* Not much good if you're farm has gone bankrupt, leaving you with no
money and debts.

"bankruptcies skyrocket"



Running a business is not easy, some farmers just don't have what it
takes.Â* OTOH, the smart organic farmers are thriving.
It's all about supply and demand and providing what people want.Â* It's
called capitalism, get it?

You call 2% a high demand?

Sales of organic food have grown by 20 percent annually, and experts
predict that the industry's share of the U.S. food market is expected to
grow from about 2 percent to roughly 3.5 percent by the end of the decade..
Demand for Organic Food Growing Faster than Domestic Supply

https://www.organicconsumers.org ۼ news ۼ demand-organic-food-growing-...

--
Bod

The silliness of the trumptards never ceases to amaze. Not only is organic
small, if you look at that 2%, the intersection with that and the rotting
soybeans and similar is a tiny part of even that. What people are buying
as organic here mostly are vegetables, fruits, etc for human consumption,
eg lettuce, carrots, tomatoes and apples. And China sure isn't saying
we're not buying your crops because we want organic.

On 9/14/2019 10:35 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, September 14, 2019 at 10:00:26 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
On 14/09/2019 14:52, devnull wrote:
On 9/14/19 6:07 AM, Bod wrote:
On 14/09/2019 10:59, devnull wrote:
On 9/14/19 5:19 AM, Bod wrote:
According to a recent report from the Nebraska Farm Bureau, the
international tariffs are costing farmers in the state $943 million
in lost revenue. The projected losses would be in addition to
tariff-related losses in farm-level income estimated between $695
million to $1.026 billion in 2018, according to the report.

Beyond Nebraska, Midwest farmers are also feeling the strain as
bankruptcies skyrocket. Data from the American Farm Bureau
Federation published in July showed delinquency rates are at a
six-year high for commercial agricultural loans in both the real
estate and non-real estate lending.

Wisconsin, Kansas, and Minnesota are leading the nation in Chapter
12 filings. Bankruptcy filings in Kansas and Minnesota increased so
significantly in the past year that they reached the highest levels
of the past decade, according to the report.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mid...hina-trade-war


Organic farmers here are doing great...even without the USDA's
welfare subsidies.
Of course if you don't like organic, you can always eat genetically
modified crops grown in nutrient-depleted soil and marinated in
glyphosate.
It's all about free choice.

https://www.motherjones.com/food/201...-conventional/

Â* Not much good if you're farm has gone bankrupt, leaving you with no
money and debts.

"bankruptcies skyrocket"


Running a business is not easy, some farmers just don't have what it
takes.Â* OTOH, the smart organic farmers are thriving.
It's all about supply and demand and providing what people want.Â* It's
called capitalism, get it?

You call 2% a high demand?

Sales of organic food have grown by 20 percent annually, and experts
predict that the industry's share of the U.S. food market is expected to
grow from about 2 percent to roughly 3.5 percent by the end of the decade.
Demand for Organic Food Growing Faster than Domestic Supply

https://www.organicconsumers.org ۼ news ۼ demand-organic-food-growing-...

--
Bod
The silliness of the trumptards never ceases to amaze. Not only is organic
small, if you look at that 2%, the intersection with that and the rotting
soybeans and similar is a tiny part of even that. What people are buying
as organic here mostly are vegetables, fruits, etc for human consumption,
eg lettuce, carrots, tomatoes and apples. And China sure isn't saying
we're not buying your crops because we want organic.



Yet I don't know of a single organic farmer who has gone bankrupt.

On Saturday, September 14, 2019 at 12:16:28 PM UTC-4, Bod F wrote:
On 9/14/2019 10:35 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, September 14, 2019 at 10:00:26 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
On 14/09/2019 14:52, devnull wrote:
On 9/14/19 6:07 AM, Bod wrote:
On 14/09/2019 10:59, devnull wrote:
On 9/14/19 5:19 AM, Bod wrote:
According to a recent report from the Nebraska Farm Bureau, the
international tariffs are costing farmers in the state $943 million
in lost revenue. The projected losses would be in addition to
tariff-related losses in farm-level income estimated between $695
million to $1.026 billion in 2018, according to the report.

Beyond Nebraska, Midwest farmers are also feeling the strain as
bankruptcies skyrocket. Data from the American Farm Bureau
Federation published in July showed delinquency rates are at a
six-year high for commercial agricultural loans in both the real
estate and non-real estate lending.

Wisconsin, Kansas, and Minnesota are leading the nation in Chapter
12 filings. Bankruptcy filings in Kansas and Minnesota increased so
significantly in the past year that they reached the highest levels
of the past decade, according to the report.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mid...hina-trade-war


Organic farmers here are doing great...even without the USDA's
welfare subsidies.
Of course if you don't like organic, you can always eat genetically
modified crops grown in nutrient-depleted soil and marinated in
glyphosate.
It's all about free choice.

https://www.motherjones.com/food/201...-conventional/

Â* Not much good if you're farm has gone bankrupt, leaving you with no
money and debts.

"bankruptcies skyrocket"


Running a business is not easy, some farmers just don't have what it
takes.Â* OTOH, the smart organic farmers are thriving.
It's all about supply and demand and providing what people want.Â* It's
called capitalism, get it?

You call 2% a high demand?

Sales of organic food have grown by 20 percent annually, and experts
predict that the industry's share of the U.S. food market is expected to
grow from about 2 percent to roughly 3.5 percent by the end of the decade.
Demand for Organic Food Growing Faster than Domestic Supply

https://www.organicconsumers.org ۼ news ۼ demand-organic-food-growing-...

--
Bod
The silliness of the trumptards never ceases to amaze. Not only is organic
small, if you look at that 2%, the intersection with that and the rotting
soybeans and similar is a tiny part of even that. What people are buying
as organic here mostly are vegetables, fruits, etc for human consumption,
eg lettuce, carrots, tomatoes and apples. And China sure isn't saying
we're not buying your crops because we want organic.



Yet I don't know of a single organic farmer who has gone bankrupt.

How many organic farmers were affected by Trump's trade war, stupid?
Like I said, they are a fraction of a percent of all farming and are
producing mostly crops that humans eat here, eg lettuce, carrots,
and apples, not the 99% of major crops, eg soybeans and corn that
we export and that were hit by retaliation in Trump's trade war.
The major world markets aren't feeding their animals organic soybeans.

On 14/09/2019 17:16, Bod F wrote:
On 9/14/2019 10:35 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, September 14, 2019 at 10:00:26 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
On 14/09/2019 14:52, devnull wrote:
On 9/14/19 6:07 AM, Bod wrote:
On 14/09/2019 10:59, devnull wrote:
On 9/14/19 5:19 AM, Bod wrote:
According to a recent report from the Nebraska Farm Bureau, the
international tariffs are costing farmers in the state $943 million
in lost revenue. The projected losses would be in addition to
tariff-related losses in farm-level income estimated between $695
million to $1.026 billion in 2018, according to the report.

Beyond Nebraska, Midwest farmers are also feeling the strain as
bankruptcies skyrocket. Data from the American Farm Bureau
Federation published in July showed delinquency rates are at a
six-year high for commercial agricultural loans in both the real
estate and non-real estate lending.

Wisconsin, Kansas, and Minnesota are leading the nation in Chapter
12 filings. Bankruptcy filings in Kansas and Minnesota increased so
significantly in the past year that they reached the highest levels
of the past decade, according to the report.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mid...hina-trade-war



Organic farmers here are doing great...even without the USDA's
welfare subsidies.
Of course if you don't like organic, you can always eat genetically
modified crops grown in nutrient-depleted soil and marinated in
glyphosate.
It's all about free choice.

https://www.motherjones.com/food/201...-conventional/


Â*Â* Not much good if you're farm has gone bankrupt, leaving you
with no
money and debts.

"bankruptcies skyrocket"


Running a business is not easy, some farmers just don't have what it
takes.Â* OTOH, the smart organic farmers are thriving.
It's all about supply and demand and providing what people want.Â* It's
called capitalism, get it?
Â*
Â* You call 2% a high demand?

Sales of organic food have grown by 20 percent annually, and experts
predict that the industry's share of the U.S. food market is expected to
grow from about 2 percent to roughly 3.5 percent by the end of the
decade.
Demand for Organic Food Growing Faster than Domestic Supply

https://www.organicconsumers.org ۼ news ۼ
demand-organic-food-growing-...

--
Bod
The silliness of the trumptards never ceases to amaze.Â* Not only is
organic
small, if you look at that 2%, the intersection with that and the rotting
soybeans and similar is a tiny part of even that.Â* What people are buying
as organic here mostly are vegetables, fruits, etc for human consumption,
eg lettuce, carrots, tomatoes and apples. And China sure isn't saying
we're not buying your crops because we want organic.



Yet I don't know of a single organic farmer who has gone bankrupt.

Wow, trumpet logic, LOL.
If the demand is only 3.5%, are farmers gonna *make* the other 96½ % of
folk buy organic. Jeez!

--
Bod

On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 12:16:20 -0400, Bod F wrote:

Yet I don't know of a single organic farmer who has gone bankrupt.

And no tariffs on what they produce either.
Yet another coincidence....

Seems the only common denominator for bankruptcy is ....
TARIFFS.
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012

On 09/14/2019 10:58 AM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 12:16:20 -0400, Bod F wrote:

Yet I don't know of a single organic farmer who has gone bankrupt.

And no tariffs on what they produce either.
Yet another coincidence....

Seems the only common denominator for bankruptcy is ....
TARIFFS.

Tariffs are the proverbial straw. The government has been propping up
agricultural producers for decades. As Earl Butz said when he set USDA
policy 'Get big or get out.' The weaker members of the herd are getting
culled. iirc Brazil brought a complaint against the US cotton subsidies
to the WTO in 2002.

On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 11:38:42 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 09/14/2019 10:58 AM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 12:16:20 -0400, Bod F wrote:

Yet I don't know of a single organic farmer who has gone bankrupt.

And no tariffs on what they produce either.
Yet another coincidence....

Seems the only common denominator for bankruptcy is ....
TARIFFS.

Tariffs are the proverbial straw. The government has been propping up
agricultural producers for decades. As Earl Butz said when he set USDA
policy 'Get big or get out.' The weaker members of the herd are getting
culled. iirc Brazil brought a complaint against the US cotton subsidies
to the WTO in 2002.

In 2002 our president was a US agent. What was his boss's
name? Hedge? Rush? Brush? Can't remember, it was so long ago.
So, farmers are going bankrupt THIS LAST YEAR because of
something from 2002?
Sounds like something from a Tom Cruise (the actor with the
bad breath) film....
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012

On 9/14/19 9:14 AM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 09:52:35 -0400, devnull wrote:

On 9/14/19 6:07 AM, Bod wrote:
On 14/09/2019 10:59, devnull wrote:
On 9/14/19 5:19 AM, Bod wrote:
According to a recent report from the Nebraska Farm Bureau, the international tariffs are costing farmers in the state $943 million in lost revenue. The projected losses would be in addition to tariff-related losses in farm-level income estimated
between $695 million to $1.026 billion in 2018, according to the report.

Beyond Nebraska, Midwest farmers are also feeling the strain as bankruptcies skyrocket. Data from the American Farm Bureau Federation published in July showed delinquency rates are at a six-year high for commercial agricultural loans in both the real
estate and non-real estate lending.

Wisconsin, Kansas, and Minnesota are leading the nation in Chapter 12 filings. Bankruptcy filings in Kansas and Minnesota increased so significantly in the past year that they reached the highest levels of the past decade, according to the report.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mid...hina-trade-war


Organic farmers here are doing great...even without the USDA's welfare subsidies.
Of course if you don't like organic, you can always eat genetically modified crops grown in nutrient-depleted soil and marinated in glyphosate.
It's all about free choice.

https://www.motherjones.com/food/201...-conventional/
Not much good if you're farm has gone bankrupt, leaving you with no money and debts.

"bankruptcies skyrocket"



Running a business is not easy, some farmers just don't have what it takes.

And yet they DID "have what it takes" before the tariffs.
Must be a coincidence...
[]'s


Which is why farm programs have existed since the 1930s. A bit
here if
you're interested:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodity_Credit_Corporation
I've been on or around farms all of my 60 plus years. There have
"always" been
farm programs. The first I remember is loans against the value of the
crop. The
old corn cribs had some sort of weather resistant sign on them saying
the crop was
mortgaged. The other most memorable one was the PIK (Payment in Kind)
program.
There was a lot of ground idled during that. Some he
https://www.gao.gov/products/RCED-85-60
Farms were organic way back when. Why do you suppose most farmers
started using the chemical fertilizers, herbicides, and insecticides?

On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 17:22:28 -0500, Dean Hoffman
wrote:

On 9/14/19 9:14 AM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 09:52:35 -0400, devnull wrote:

On 9/14/19 6:07 AM, Bod wrote:
On 14/09/2019 10:59, devnull wrote:
On 9/14/19 5:19 AM, Bod wrote:
According to a recent report from the Nebraska Farm Bureau, the international tariffs are costing farmers in the state $943 million in lost revenue. The projected losses would be in addition to tariff-related losses in farm-level income estimated
between $695 million to $1.026 billion in 2018, according to the report.

Beyond Nebraska, Midwest farmers are also feeling the strain as bankruptcies skyrocket. Data from the American Farm Bureau Federation published in July showed delinquency rates are at a six-year high for commercial agricultural loans in both the real
estate and non-real estate lending.

Wisconsin, Kansas, and Minnesota are leading the nation in Chapter 12 filings. Bankruptcy filings in Kansas and Minnesota increased so significantly in the past year that they reached the highest levels of the past decade, according to the report.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mid...hina-trade-war


Organic farmers here are doing great...even without the USDA's welfare subsidies.
Of course if you don't like organic, you can always eat genetically modified crops grown in nutrient-depleted soil and marinated in glyphosate.
It's all about free choice.

https://www.motherjones.com/food/201...-conventional/
Not much good if you're farm has gone bankrupt, leaving you with no money and debts.

"bankruptcies skyrocket"



Running a business is not easy, some farmers just don't have what it takes.

And yet they DID "have what it takes" before the tariffs.
Must be a coincidence...
[]'s


Which is why farm programs have existed since the 1930s. A bit
here if
you're interested:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodity_Credit_Corporation
I've been on or around farms all of my 60 plus years. There have
"always" been
farm programs. The first I remember is loans against the value of the
crop. The
old corn cribs had some sort of weather resistant sign on them saying
the crop was
mortgaged. The other most memorable one was the PIK (Payment in Kind)
program.
There was a lot of ground idled during that. Some he
https://www.gao.gov/products/RCED-85-60
Farms were organic way back when. Why do you suppose most farmers
started using the chemical fertilizers, herbicides, and insecticides?

Works the same here. But since Bolsonaro has decreed we can't
sell to "communist". "socialist" or "Muslim" countries, no buyers.
Prices of soy and corn here halved. But the bank interest rate
on the loans almost doubled. Our farmers are going bankrupt too.
Maybe American might be interested in importing our corn and
soy? It's highly contaminated with deadly chemicals, but it's half
price .... the average American wouldn't even notice. Bribe the food
inspectors and it's a win-win.
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012

On 9/14/19 7:59 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 17:22:28 -0500, Dean Hoffman
wrote:

On 9/14/19 9:14 AM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 09:52:35 -0400, devnull wrote:

Some cut.

And yet they DID "have what it takes" before the tariffs.
Must be a coincidence...
[]'s


Which is why farm programs have existed since the 1930s. A bit
here if
you're interested:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodity_Credit_Corporation
I've been on or around farms all of my 60 plus years. There have
"always" been
farm programs. The first I remember is loans against the value of the
crop. The
old corn cribs had some sort of weather resistant sign on them saying
the crop was
mortgaged. The other most memorable one was the PIK (Payment in Kind)
program.
There was a lot of ground idled during that. Some he
https://www.gao.gov/products/RCED-85-60
Farms were organic way back when. Why do you suppose most farmers
started using the chemical fertilizers, herbicides, and insecticides?

Works the same here. But since Bolsonaro has decreed we can't
sell to "communist". "socialist" or "Muslim" countries, no buyers.
Prices of soy and corn here halved. But the bank interest rate
on the loans almost doubled. Our farmers are going bankrupt too.
Maybe American might be interested in importing our corn and
soy? It's highly contaminated with deadly chemicals, but it's half
price .... the average American wouldn't even notice. Bribe the food
inspectors and it's a win-win.
[]'s

Farmers had some really good times here in the central U.S.
about five
years ago. Some guys got a little careless. Buy equipment and/or land?
Let the government take it in taxes? No good options sometimes.
Farmers here are a bit like royalty. They're born into it or marry
into it. I can't imagine the average city guy being a farmer.

On 09/14/2019 12:08 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 11:38:42 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 09/14/2019 10:58 AM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 12:16:20 -0400, Bod F wrote:

Yet I don't know of a single organic farmer who has gone bankrupt.

And no tariffs on what they produce either.
Yet another coincidence....

Seems the only common denominator for bankruptcy is ....
TARIFFS.

Tariffs are the proverbial straw. The government has been propping up
agricultural producers for decades. As Earl Butz said when he set USDA
policy 'Get big or get out.' The weaker members of the herd are getting
culled. iirc Brazil brought a complaint against the US cotton subsidies
to the WTO in 2002.

In 2002 our president was a US agent. What was his boss's
name? Hedge? Rush? Brush? Can't remember, it was so long ago.
So, farmers are going bankrupt THIS LAST YEAR because of
something from 2002?
Sounds like something from a Tom Cruise (the actor with the
bad breath) film....

Er, no. Did you miss the entire point that US agriculture is heavily
subsidized and controlled by the government? The latest thing to have
the corn growers' knickers in a knot is Trump is allowing small refiners
to not blend in as much alcohol. The whole gasahol requirement thing was
a gift to the corn growers and now they whine if they think it will mean
less of a market.

Study the history of US soy production. It's not the most useful crop in
the world; you can hardly eat the damn things if they haven't been
modified in some way. I was in Indiana in the '80s and the farmers were
up to their asses in soybeans. The silos were bursting. And yet the USDA
was advising tobacco farmers to grow soy to offset the government
programs against tobacco.

The whole thing is like a Soviet 5 year plan developed by pre-schoolers.
The tariff hoo-hah is just the latest chapter. Why the hell should US
farmers be dependent on a market in China? When you overproduce you have
to dump the product someplace.

On 09/14/2019 04:22 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
Farms were organic way back when. Why do you suppose most farmers
started using the chemical fertilizers, herbicides, and insecticides?

Earl Butz? Go big or get out? Fence to fence cultivation? Butz figured
hungry peasants are dangerous peasants so keeping the bread flowing to
the masses cheaply was needed. He just didn't foresee industrial farming
being so efficient.

On 09/14/2019 06:59 PM, Shadow wrote:
Maybe American might be interested in importing our corn and
soy? It's highly contaminated with deadly chemicals, but it's half
price .... the average American wouldn't even notice. Bribe the food
inspectors and it's a win-win.

Shipping coal to Newcastle... Besides dent corn and soybeans are not
directly edible. By the time the consumer sees products derived from
either they're either been passed through a cow or pig or converted into
high fructose corn syrup, textured soy protein or some other product
that adds more chemicals.

On 9/14/2019 9:46 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, September 14, 2019 at 12:16:28 PM UTC-4, Bod F wrote:
On 9/14/2019 10:35 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, September 14, 2019 at 10:00:26 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
On 14/09/2019 14:52, devnull wrote:
On 9/14/19 6:07 AM, Bod wrote:
On 14/09/2019 10:59, devnull wrote:
On 9/14/19 5:19 AM, Bod wrote:
According to a recent report from the Nebraska Farm Bureau, the
international tariffs are costing farmers in the state $943 million
in lost revenue. The projected losses would be in addition to
tariff-related losses in farm-level income estimated between $695
million to $1.026 billion in 2018, according to the report.

Beyond Nebraska, Midwest farmers are also feeling the strain as
bankruptcies skyrocket. Data from the American Farm Bureau
Federation published in July showed delinquency rates are at a
six-year high for commercial agricultural loans in both the real
estate and non-real estate lending.

Wisconsin, Kansas, and Minnesota are leading the nation in Chapter
12 filings. Bankruptcy filings in Kansas and Minnesota increased so
significantly in the past year that they reached the highest levels
of the past decade, according to the report.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mid...hina-trade-war


Organic farmers here are doing great...even without the USDA's
welfare subsidies.
Of course if you don't like organic, you can always eat genetically
modified crops grown in nutrient-depleted soil and marinated in
glyphosate.
It's all about free choice.

https://www.motherjones.com/food/201...-conventional/

Â* Not much good if you're farm has gone bankrupt, leaving you with no
money and debts.

"bankruptcies skyrocket"


Running a business is not easy, some farmers just don't have what it
takes.Â* OTOH, the smart organic farmers are thriving.
It's all about supply and demand and providing what people want.Â* It's
called capitalism, get it?

You call 2% a high demand?

Sales of organic food have grown by 20 percent annually, and experts
predict that the industry's share of the U.S. food market is expected to
grow from about 2 percent to roughly 3.5 percent by the end of the decade.
Demand for Organic Food Growing Faster than Domestic Supply

https://www.organicconsumers.org ۼ news ۼ demand-organic-food-growing-...

--
Bod
The silliness of the trumptards never ceases to amaze. Not only is organic
small, if you look at that 2%, the intersection with that and the rotting
soybeans and similar is a tiny part of even that. What people are buying
as organic here mostly are vegetables, fruits, etc for human consumption,
eg lettuce, carrots, tomatoes and apples. And China sure isn't saying
we're not buying your crops because we want organic.



Yet I don't know of a single organic farmer who has gone bankrupt.

How many organic farmers were affected by Trump's trade war, stupid?
Like I said, they are a fraction of a percent of all farming and are
producing mostly crops that humans eat here, eg lettuce, carrots,
and apples, not the 99% of major crops, eg soybeans and corn that
we export and that were hit by retaliation in Trump's trade war.
The major world markets aren't feeding their animals organic soybeans.


Soy and corn are probably mostly GMO so they can be flooded with
glyphosate, so not many organic farmers are probably growing them.

On 9/14/2019 6:48 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 09/14/2019 12:08 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 11:38:42 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 09/14/2019 10:58 AM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 12:16:20 -0400, Bod F wrote:

Yet I don't know of a single organic farmer who has gone bankrupt.

****And no tariffs on what they produce either.
****Yet another coincidence....

****Seems the only common denominator for bankruptcy is ....
TARIFFS.

Tariffs are the proverbial straw. The government has been propping up
agricultural producers for decades. As Earl Butz said when he set USDA
policy 'Get big or get out.' The weaker members of the herd are getting
culled. iirc Brazil brought a complaint against the US cotton subsidies
to the WTO in 2002.

****In 2002 our president was a US agent. What was his boss's
name? Hedge? Rush? Brush? Can't remember, it was so long ago.
****So, farmers are going bankrupt THIS LAST YEAR because of
something from 2002?
****Sounds like something from a Tom Cruise (the actor with the
bad breath) film....

Er, no. Did you miss the entire point that US agriculture is heavily
subsidized and controlled by the government? The latest thing to have
the corn growers' knickers in a knot is Trump is allowing small refiners
to not blend in as much alcohol. The whole gasahol requirement thing was
a gift to the corn growers and now they whine if they think it will mean
less of a market.

Study the history of US soy production. It's not the most useful crop in
the world; you can hardly eat the damn things if they haven't been
modified in some way. I was in Indiana in the '80s and the farmers were
up to their asses in soybeans. The silos were bursting. And yet the USDA
was advising tobacco farmers to grow soy to offset the government
programs against tobacco.

The whole thing is like a Soviet 5 year plan developed by pre-schoolers.
The tariff hoo-hah is just the latest chapter. Why the hell should US
farmers be dependent on a market in China? When you overproduce you have
to dump the product someplace.


I wonder what percentage of the farm welfare payments are going to
mega-ag corporate businesses? And how many of the few small farms are
being sucked up by them.

On 9/14/19 11:27 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 9/14/2019 9:46 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, September 14, 2019 at 12:16:28 PM UTC-4, Bod F wrote:
On 9/14/2019 10:35 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, September 14, 2019 at 10:00:26 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
On 14/09/2019 14:52, devnull wrote:
On 9/14/19 6:07 AM, Bod wrote:
On 14/09/2019 10:59, devnull wrote:
On 9/14/19 5:19 AM, Bod wrote:
According to a recent report from the Nebraska Farm Bureau, the
international tariffs are costing farmers in the state $943 million
in lost revenue. The projected losses would be in addition to
tariff-related losses in farm-level income estimated between $695
million to $1.026 billion in 2018, according to the report.

Beyond Nebraska, Midwest farmers are also feeling the strain as
bankruptcies skyrocket. Data from the American Farm Bureau
Federation published in July showed delinquency rates are at a
six-year high for commercial agricultural loans in both the real
estate and non-real estate lending.

Wisconsin, Kansas, and Minnesota are leading the nation in Chapter
12 filings. Bankruptcy filings in Kansas and Minnesota increased so
significantly in the past year that they reached the highest levels
of the past decade, according to the report.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mid...hina-trade-war


Organic farmers here are doing great...even without the USDA's
welfare subsidies.
Of course if you don't like organic, you can always eat genetically
modified crops grown in nutrient-depleted soil and marinated in
glyphosate.
It's all about free choice.

https://www.motherjones.com/food/201...-conventional/

Â* Â* Not much good if you're farm has gone bankrupt, leaving you with no
money and debts.

"bankruptcies skyrocket"


Running a business is not easy, some farmers just don't have what it
takes.Â* OTOH, the smart organic farmers are thriving.
It's all about supply and demand and providing what people want.Â* It's
called capitalism, get it?
Â*Â*
Â*Â* You call 2% a high demand?

Sales of organic food have grown by 20 percent annually, and experts
predict that the industry's share of the U.S. food market is expected to
grow from about 2 percent to roughly 3.5 percent by the end of the decade.
Demand for Organic Food Growing Faster than Domestic Supply

https://www.organicconsumers.org ۼ news ۼ demand-organic-food-growing-...

--
Bod
The silliness of the trumptards never ceases to amaze.Â* Not only is organic
small, if you look at that 2%, the intersection with that and the rotting
soybeans and similar is a tiny part of even that.Â* What people are buying
as organic here mostly are vegetables, fruits, etc for human consumption,
eg lettuce, carrots, tomatoes and apples. And China sure isn't saying
we're not buying your crops because we want organic.



Yet I don't know of a single organic farmer who has gone bankrupt.

How many organic farmers were affected by Trump's trade war, stupid?
Like I said, they are a fraction of a percent of all farming and are
producing mostly crops that humans eat here, eg lettuce, carrots,
and apples, not the 99% of major crops, eg soybeans and corn that
we export and that were hit by retaliation in Trump's trade war.
The major world markets aren't feeding their animals organic soybeans.


Soy and corn are probably mostly GMO so they can be flooded with glyphosate, so not many organic farmers are probably growing them.


True organic farming practices currently prohibit GMO seeds and glyphosate but I doubt anyone at the USDA gives a ****.

On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 19:48:23 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 09/14/2019 12:08 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 11:38:42 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 09/14/2019 10:58 AM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 12:16:20 -0400, Bod F wrote:

Yet I don't know of a single organic farmer who has gone bankrupt.

And no tariffs on what they produce either.
Yet another coincidence....

Seems the only common denominator for bankruptcy is ....
TARIFFS.

Tariffs are the proverbial straw. The government has been propping up
agricultural producers for decades. As Earl Butz said when he set USDA
policy 'Get big or get out.' The weaker members of the herd are getting
culled. iirc Brazil brought a complaint against the US cotton subsidies
to the WTO in 2002.

In 2002 our president was a US agent. What was his boss's
name? Hedge? Rush? Brush? Can't remember, it was so long ago.
So, farmers are going bankrupt THIS LAST YEAR because of
something from 2002?
Sounds like something from a Tom Cruise (the actor with the
bad breath) film....

Er, no. Did you miss the entire point that US agriculture is heavily
subsidized and controlled by the government? The latest thing to have
the corn growers' knickers in a knot is Trump is allowing small refiners
to not blend in as much alcohol. The whole gasahol requirement thing was
a gift to the corn growers and now they whine if they think it will mean
less of a market.

A gift to corn growers? It was a gift to consumers. Almost all
Brazilian cars are hybrid, you can use petrol, alcohol or a mixture,
and the onboard computer works out the timing. You DO need a liter of
petrol in a container, which is used to start the car if temps drop
bellow a certain value. Alcohol won't burn in the cold. It's
automatic, used only if the computer says it's needed.
Currently with the ban on export and the hike on petrol prices
(increasing it so it's be even more profitable to our masters after
our oilfields are sold) you get almost TWICE as many KM for your money
when you use alcohol.
Note our alcohol is made from sugar cane(cheap). Corn should
be made into gut-rot and sold at high prices to redneck trumpets. They
don't have any neurons left, so nothing lost.

Study the history of US soy production. It's not the most useful crop in
the world; you can hardly eat the damn things if they haven't been
modified in some way. I was in Indiana in the '80s and the farmers were
up to their asses in soybeans. The silos were bursting. And yet the USDA
was advising tobacco farmers to grow soy to offset the government
programs against tobacco.

Soy ? I'm not too fond of it, but I occasionally make sprouts.
My wife likes tofu. It's very easy to make at home. It's pretty
healthy stuff, no fat, lotsa protein, but I prefer cheese myself.
Thank soy for the protein in most of the meat you eat
(assuming pork and chicken and FAUX-burgers). Animal rations.
Soy oil used in tons of stuff from soap to plastics
Hello! Wake up! We evolved..... don't forage for food anymore.

The whole thing is like a Soviet 5 year plan developed by pre-schoolers.
The tariff hoo-hah is just the latest chapter.

You're probably right. Like the elections, huh? It's
incredible Facebook + Putin managed to pull it off.
[]'s

Why the hell should US
farmers be dependent on a market in China? When you overproduce you have
to dump the product someplace.
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012

On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 20:30:44 -0700, Bob F wrote:

The whole thing is like a Soviet 5 year plan developed by pre-schoolers.
The tariff hoo-hah is just the latest chapter. Why the hell should US
farmers be dependent on a market in China? When you overproduce you have
to dump the product someplace.


I wonder what percentage of the farm welfare payments are going to
mega-ag corporate businesses? And how many of the few small farms are
being sucked up by them.

You mean firms like Monsanto?
It would never happen in Amerika.
If that nasty transgenic Monsanto pollen ever contaminated a
farmer's corn, he would sue for rape. And make the lobbies pay for it.
Justice would only side with the government (AKA lobbies) in a
communist dictatorship.
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012

On 9/15/19 7:46 AM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 20:30:44 -0700, Bob F wrote:

The whole thing is like a Soviet 5 year plan developed by pre-schoolers.
The tariff hoo-hah is just the latest chapter. Why the hell should US
farmers be dependent on a market in China? When you overproduce you have
to dump the product someplace.


I wonder what percentage of the farm welfare payments are going to
mega-ag corporate businesses? And how many of the few small farms are
being sucked up by them.

You mean firms like Monsanto?
It would never happen in Amerika.
If that nasty transgenic Monsanto pollen ever contaminated a
farmer's corn, he would sue for rape. And make the lobbies pay for it.
Justice would only side with the government (AKA lobbies) in a
communist dictatorship.
[]'s

You'll have to pick on Bayer now. Monsanto merged with Bayer
and the
Monsanto name was dropped. Yes, the people who make Alka Seltzer, Aleve,
Aspirin, One a Day vitamins and other things.
The guys who care about cross pollination are the guys who raise the
seed corn.
They have rules to follow to prevent that contamination. One of those
is no corn
in the particular field the year before planting the seed corn. There
are a lot more
soybeans around here partly because of that.

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 14 Sep 2019 10:19:32 +0100, Bod
wrote:

According to a recent report from the Nebraska Farm Bureau, the
international tariffs are costing farmers in the state $943 million in
lost revenue. The projected losses would be in addition to
tariff-related losses in farm-level income estimated between $695
million to $1.026 billion in 2018, according to the report.

Beyond Nebraska, Midwest farmers are also feeling the strain as
bankruptcies skyrocket. Data from the American Farm Bureau Federation
published in July showed delinquency rates are at a six-year high for
commercial agricultural loans in both the real estate and non-real
estate lending.

Wisconsin, Kansas, and Minnesota are leading the nation in Chapter 12
filings. Bankruptcy filings in Kansas and Minnesota increased so
significantly in the past year that they reached the highest levels of
the past decade, according to the report.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mid...hina-trade-war


But from what I've heard, so far, as a group, only the black farmers
have complained about this. I guess the white farmers still have hope,
but it will be interesting to see if they hold out all the way through
the 2020 election.

On Sunday, September 15, 2019 at 9:18:59 AM UTC-4, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 9/15/19 7:46 AM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 20:30:44 -0700, Bob F wrote:

The whole thing is like a Soviet 5 year plan developed by pre-schoolers.
The tariff hoo-hah is just the latest chapter. Why the hell should US
farmers be dependent on a market in China? When you overproduce you have
to dump the product someplace.


I wonder what percentage of the farm welfare payments are going to
mega-ag corporate businesses? And how many of the few small farms are
being sucked up by them.

You mean firms like Monsanto?
It would never happen in Amerika.
If that nasty transgenic Monsanto pollen ever contaminated a
farmer's corn, he would sue for rape. And make the lobbies pay for it.
Justice would only side with the government (AKA lobbies) in a
communist dictatorship.
[]'s

You'll have to pick on Bayer now. Monsanto merged with Bayer
and the
Monsanto name was dropped. Yes, the people who make Alka Seltzer, Aleve,
Aspirin, One a Day vitamins and other things.


I wonder what, if anything, has happened to the geniuses at Bayer that
bought Monsanto for top dollar just before those Roundup cases went
into the toilet with hundreds of millions of judgments awarded? I mean,
that's got to be one of the worst acquisition moves ever. Did they even
do any due diligence to correctly assess the risks?

Now if you look at late night TV, the shyster lawyers are running 30 min
infomercials rounding up everyone they can to sue Bayer for their big
pay day. Monsanto probably should have had some warning on the labels
saying it could be harmful, not to get it on yourself, etc. Silly me,
but I've always treated any herbicide, pesticide, most solvents, etc
that way. The first case was a janitor that claimed he was covered in
it many times, applying it around a school. i've sprayed it around the
property here for decades, I've never been covered in it. I do usually
apply it and any other products after I'm done with any other work and take
a shower afterwards. Call me logical.




The guys who care about cross pollination are the guys who raise the
seed corn.
They have rules to follow to prevent that contamination. One of those
is no corn
in the particular field the year before planting the seed corn. There
are a lot more
soybeans around here partly because of that.

On 9/15/19 10:11 AM, trader_4 wrote:
I wonder what, if anything, has happened to the geniuses at Bayer that
bought Monsanto for top dollar just before those Roundup cases went
into the toilet with hundreds of millions of judgments awarded? I mean,
that's got to be one of the worst acquisition moves ever. Did they even
do any due diligence to correctly assess the risks?

Now if you look at late night TV, the shyster lawyers are running 30 min
infomercials rounding up everyone they can to sue Bayer for their big
pay day. Monsanto probably should have had some warning on the labels
saying it could be harmful, not to get it on yourself, etc. Silly me,
but I've always treated any herbicide, pesticide, most solvents, etc
that way. The first case was a janitor that claimed he was covered in
it many times, applying it around a school. i've sprayed it around the
property here for decades, I've never been covered in it. I do usually
apply it and any other products after I'm done with any other work and take
a shower afterwards. Call me logical.


Yah, and then there's that glyphosate/antibiotic/gut-biome thing.

I suspect the government will soon declare Bayer too big to fail and somehow protect Bayer/Monsanto from future judgments.
There's so much money involved, the truth must never come out.

On 9/15/19 9:11 AM, trader_4 wrote:

Some cut.

I wonder what, if anything, has happened to the geniuses at Bayer that
bought Monsanto for top dollar just before those Roundup cases went
into the toilet with hundreds of millions of judgments awarded? I mean,
that's got to be one of the worst acquisition moves ever. Did they even
do any due diligence to correctly assess the risks?

Now if you look at late night TV, the shyster lawyers are running 30 min
infomercials rounding up everyone they can to sue Bayer for their big
pay day. Monsanto probably should have had some warning on the labels
saying it could be harmful, not to get it on yourself, etc. Silly me,
but I've always treated any herbicide, pesticide, most solvents, etc
that way. The first case was a janitor that claimed he was covered in
it many times, applying it around a school. i've sprayed it around the
property here for decades, I've never been covered in it. I do usually
apply it and any other products after I'm done with any other work and take
a shower afterwards. Call me logical.

I can't imagine there not being warnings on farm chemicals but can't claim
I've actually read them. Farm kids just knew that stuff.
That janitor is a good example of the saying "Common sense isn't".

On Sunday, September 15, 2019 at 12:07:36 PM UTC-4, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 9/15/19 9:11 AM, trader_4 wrote:

Some cut.

I wonder what, if anything, has happened to the geniuses at Bayer that
bought Monsanto for top dollar just before those Roundup cases went
into the toilet with hundreds of millions of judgments awarded? I mean,
that's got to be one of the worst acquisition moves ever. Did they even
do any due diligence to correctly assess the risks?

Now if you look at late night TV, the shyster lawyers are running 30 min
infomercials rounding up everyone they can to sue Bayer for their big
pay day. Monsanto probably should have had some warning on the labels
saying it could be harmful, not to get it on yourself, etc. Silly me,
but I've always treated any herbicide, pesticide, most solvents, etc
that way. The first case was a janitor that claimed he was covered in
it many times, applying it around a school. i've sprayed it around the
property here for decades, I've never been covered in it. I do usually
apply it and any other products after I'm done with any other work and take
a shower afterwards. Call me logical.

I can't imagine there not being warnings on farm chemicals but can't claim
I've actually read them. Farm kids just knew that stuff.
That janitor is a good example of the saying "Common sense isn't".

Here's a current label:

https://natseed.com/pdf/Roundup%20Pro%20Label.pdf

They say you should wear long sleeve clothes, socks, shoes, wash hands
before eating. They also say it's supposed to be safe for animals,
but if they eat enough plants treated with it they could have temporary
gastric symptoms, vomiting, etc.

I think they could have expanded that a bit and some of it isn't
exactly clear. Like wearing long sleeves. That would seem to imply
that you should avoid skin contact, so why not say that? Is it OK
if you wear a long sleave shirt and it gets wet with it? I mean,
you'd think people would have sense enough, but some won't.

As to putting any new warnings on there, we have this:

https://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20...for-glyphosate


EPA Won't Approve Warning Labels for Glyphosate

Aug. 12, 2019 -- Warning labels for the suspected cancer-causing weed killer glyphosate (Roundup) won't be approved by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.

The International Agency for Research on Cancer says glyphosate is "probably carcinogenic," which has led California to require warning labels on glyphosate products, the Associated Press reported.

However, California hasn't enforced the warning label rule because Roundup maker Monsanto last year obtained a court order blocking the warning labels until the lawsuit is resolved.

The EPA says its research shows the chemical poses no risks to public health and won't approve warning labels for glyphosate products, the AP reported.


If I was on those juries, I'd have a hard time reconciling that RU is
causing lymphoma when only some studies have shown a possible link,
but:

1 - while RU use exploded in the last 4 decades, there has been no corresponding
increase in non-hodgkins lymphoma.

2 - The biggest study of farmers that encompassed following farmers in
a couple of states for a long time found a lower incidence of cancer
in them and their families, as compared to the general population.
And nh-lymphoma was lower too. And they were not only spraying RU,
but all kinds of other chemicals too.

It's really hard to get past those two. And nh-lymphoma occurs in about
70K people a year in the USA, only a small subset are using RU.
But it will make for a rich gold mine for the lawyers. My one concern
with RU would be that it's now extended to use to spray crops just
before harvest, to accelerate the drying out process. That doesn't
seem like such a great idea to me. But overall it's been a great
chemical and you have to look at the whole picture, the benefits.

On 09/15/2019 06:46 AM, Shadow wrote:
You mean firms like Monsanto?
It would never happen in Amerika.
If that nasty transgenic Monsanto pollen ever contaminated a
farmer's corn, he would sue for rape. And make the lobbies pay for it.
Justice would only side with the government (AKA lobbies) in a
communist dictatorship.

Poor Monsanto...

https://modernfarmer.com/2014/03/mon...ad-pr-problem/

Companies like Monsanto, Cargill, ConAgra, and Archer Midland Daniels
are the second tier. It's more difficult to find out who owns and plants
the acreage.