On topic since it is a natural gas grill and I will have to hook it up
to a gas line on the lanai.

I ordered this in early January but it was out of stock and the model I
wanted was being updated. It is now back in production and mine is
sitting, waiting for assembly now. I'll be cooking an a couple of days.

If you are not familiar with the brand, Napoleon is to Canada what Weber
is to the US. I had a Weber Summit for a few years at my old house and
since I could have a gas line instead of tanks I upgraded to this. I'm
looking forward to trying the sear station.

https://tinyurl.com/y39qkazb

https://napoleon.com/en/us/grills/pr...ro500rsibnss-3

On 2/12/2019 2:28 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On topic since it is a natural gas grill and I will have to hook it up
to a gas line on the lanai.

I ordered this in early January but it was out of stock and the model I
wanted was being updated.Â* It is now back in production and mine is
sitting, waiting for assembly now.Â* I'll be cooking an a couple of days.

If you are not familiar with the brand, Napoleon is to Canada what Weber
is to the US.Â* I had a Weber Summit for a few years at my old house and
since I could have a gas line instead of tanks I upgraded to this.Â* I'm
looking forward to trying the sear station.

https://tinyurl.com/y39qkazb

https://napoleon.com/en/us/grills/pr...ro500rsibnss-3


Too much grill for me. I like to cook on the grill but not the whole
meal since grill is on the deck next to the kitchen. I also like the
smoke and the flame as a lot of these grills appear like taking the
kitchen outdoors. If the food tastes the same, why grill it outside?

On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 14:28:40 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On topic since it is a natural gas grill and I will have to hook it up
to a gas line on the lanai.

I ordered this in early January but it was out of stock and the model I
wanted was being updated. It is now back in production and mine is
sitting, waiting for assembly now. I'll be cooking an a couple of days.

If you are not familiar with the brand, Napoleon is to Canada what Weber
is to the US. I had a Weber Summit for a few years at my old house and
since I could have a gas line instead of tanks I upgraded to this. I'm
looking forward to trying the sear station.

https://tinyurl.com/y39qkazb

https://napoleon.com/en/us/grills/pr...ro500rsibnss-3

Fancy. But will it smoke meat :-)

On Tuesday, February 12, 2019 at 2:28:47 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On topic since it is a natural gas grill and I will have to hook it up
to a gas line on the lanai.

I ordered this in early January but it was out of stock and the model I
wanted was being updated. It is now back in production and mine is
sitting, waiting for assembly now. I'll be cooking an a couple of days.

If you are not familiar with the brand, Napoleon is to Canada what Weber
is to the US. I had a Weber Summit for a few years at my old house and
since I could have a gas line instead of tanks I upgraded to this. I'm
looking forward to trying the sear station.

https://tinyurl.com/y39qkazb

https://napoleon.com/en/us/grills/pr...ro500rsibnss-3

Do you need a license to run that thing?

On 2/12/2019 3:29 PM, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 14:28:40 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On topic since it is a natural gas grill and I will have to hook it up
to a gas line on the lanai.

I ordered this in early January but it was out of stock and the model I
wanted was being updated. It is now back in production and mine is
sitting, waiting for assembly now. I'll be cooking an a couple of days.

If you are not familiar with the brand, Napoleon is to Canada what Weber
is to the US. I had a Weber Summit for a few years at my old house and
since I could have a gas line instead of tanks I upgraded to this. I'm
looking forward to trying the sear station.

https://tinyurl.com/y39qkazb

https://napoleon.com/en/us/grills/pr...ro500rsibnss-3

Fancy. But will it smoke meat :-)

Yes, it will. Uses chips or chunks for that, of course.

On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 14:28:40 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On topic since it is a natural gas grill and I will have to hook it up
to a gas line on the lanai.

I ordered this in early January but it was out of stock and the model I
wanted was being updated. It is now back in production and mine is
sitting, waiting for assembly now. I'll be cooking an a couple of days.

If you are not familiar with the brand, Napoleon is to Canada what Weber
is to the US. I had a Weber Summit for a few years at my old house and
since I could have a gas line instead of tanks I upgraded to this. I'm
looking forward to trying the sear station.

https://tinyurl.com/y39qkazb

https://napoleon.com/en/us/grills/pr...ro500rsibnss-3
You won't go wrong with a Napoleon - or even a BroilKing.

I've had a NG Broilking for quite some time now. You WILL find the
heat output of the natural gas unit "doesn't hold a candle to" propane
though - - -

On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 12:29:05 -0800, Oren wrote:

On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 14:28:40 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On topic since it is a natural gas grill and I will have to hook it up
to a gas line on the lanai.

I ordered this in early January but it was out of stock and the model I
wanted was being updated. It is now back in production and mine is
sitting, waiting for assembly now. I'll be cooking an a couple of days.

If you are not familiar with the brand, Napoleon is to Canada what Weber
is to the US. I had a Weber Summit for a few years at my old house and
since I could have a gas line instead of tanks I upgraded to this. I'm
looking forward to trying the sear station.

https://tinyurl.com/y39qkazb

https://napoleon.com/en/us/grills/pr...ro500rsibnss-3

Fancy. But will it smoke meat :-)
With the $50 accessory smoker tray, most definitely!!

On Tuesday, February 12, 2019 at 4:52:31 PM UTC-5, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 14:28:40 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On topic since it is a natural gas grill and I will have to hook it up
to a gas line on the lanai.

I ordered this in early January but it was out of stock and the model I
wanted was being updated. It is now back in production and mine is
sitting, waiting for assembly now. I'll be cooking an a couple of days.

If you are not familiar with the brand, Napoleon is to Canada what Weber
is to the US. I had a Weber Summit for a few years at my old house and
since I could have a gas line instead of tanks I upgraded to this. I'm
looking forward to trying the sear station.

https://tinyurl.com/y39qkazb

https://napoleon.com/en/us/grills/pr...ro500rsibnss-3
You won't go wrong with a Napoleon - or even a BroilKing.

I've had a NG Broilking for quite some time now. You WILL find the
heat output of the natural gas unit "doesn't hold a candle to" propane
though - - -

I consider the switch from propane to natural gas one of the best
decisions we ever made. The grill gets plenty hot, and I haven't
touched a tank in years.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2/12/2019 2:28 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On topic since it is a natural gas grill and I will have to hook it up
to a gas line on the lanai.

I ordered this in early January but it was out of stock and the model I
wanted was being updated.Â* It is now back in production and mine is
sitting, waiting for assembly now.Â* I'll be cooking an a couple of days.

If you are not familiar with the brand, Napoleon is to Canada what Weber
is to the US.Â* I had a Weber Summit for a few years at my old house and
since I could have a gas line instead of tanks I upgraded to this.Â* I'm
looking forward to trying the sear station.

https://tinyurl.com/y39qkazb

https://napoleon.com/en/us/grills/pr...ro500rsibnss-3

When I first moved into this house 9 1/2 years ago, I bought a grill
from Lowe's with a sear burner. The grill was total junk, but it had a
sear burner which was really nice. Fortunately the grill totally fell
apart in a few years and I replaced it with a Weber ... one of the best
decisions I made. But I still miss the sear burner. BTW, both were
propane hooked up to my 500 gallon tank as we have no natural gas here.

On 2/12/19 4:52 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 14:28:40 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On topic since it is a natural gas grill and I will have to hook it up
to a gas line on the lanai.

I ordered this in early January but it was out of stock and the model I
wanted was being updated. It is now back in production and mine is
sitting, waiting for assembly now. I'll be cooking an a couple of days.

If you are not familiar with the brand, Napoleon is to Canada what Weber
is to the US. I had a Weber Summit for a few years at my old house and
since I could have a gas line instead of tanks I upgraded to this. I'm
looking forward to trying the sear station.

https://tinyurl.com/y39qkazb

https://napoleon.com/en/us/grills/pr...ro500rsibnss-3
You won't go wrong with a Napoleon - or even a BroilKing.

I've had a NG Broilking for quite some time now. You WILL find the
heat output of the natural gas unit "doesn't hold a candle to" propane
though - - -



How's the "heat output" when the propane tank runs out?

But seriously, are you saying a 30K BTU propane grill has more "heat output" than a 30K BTU natural gas grill?

On 2/13/2019 9:26 AM, Bubba wrote:
On 2/12/19 4:52 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:

I've had a NG Broilking for quite some time now. You WILL find the
heat output of the natural gas unit "doesn't hold a candle to" propane
though - - -



How's the "heat output" when the propane tank runs out?

But seriously, are you saying a 30K BTU propane grill has more "heat
output" than a 30K BTU natural gas grill?

A BTU is a BTU and they don't give a different rating. Not that it
matters much for 99% of your cooking as you are not on high all the
time. Just to get a sear.

On 2/13/2019 6:29 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, February 12, 2019 at 4:52:31 PM UTC-5, Clare Snyder wrote:


I've had a NG Broilking for quite some time now. You WILL find the
heat output of the natural gas unit "doesn't hold a candle to" propane
though - - -

I consider the switch from propane to natural gas one of the best
decisions we ever made. The grill gets plenty hot, and I haven't
touched a tank in years.

Cindy Hamilton

I've can refill a lot of propance tanks for what the builder charged for
the gas line. Worth it not to have to haul tanks and swap them out in
the middle of cooking something.

On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 9:44:55 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/13/2019 6:29 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, February 12, 2019 at 4:52:31 PM UTC-5, Clare Snyder wrote:


I've had a NG Broilking for quite some time now. You WILL find the
heat output of the natural gas unit "doesn't hold a candle to" propane
though - - -

I consider the switch from propane to natural gas one of the best
decisions we ever made. The grill gets plenty hot, and I haven't
touched a tank in years.

Cindy Hamilton

I've can refill a lot of propance tanks for what the builder charged for
the gas line. Worth it not to have to haul tanks and swap them out in
the middle of cooking something.

We did the work ourselves, so it was just the cost of parts from
Home Despot. A couple years later we pulled a permit to install
an automatic standby generator around the corner of the house
from the grill. The inspector was nice enough to poke his head
around the corner, look at the plumbing to the grill, and pass the
entire run from the meter past the generator, to the grill.

Cindy Hamilton

On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 9:26:06 AM UTC-5, Bubba wrote:
On 2/12/19 4:52 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 14:28:40 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On topic since it is a natural gas grill and I will have to hook it up
to a gas line on the lanai.

I ordered this in early January but it was out of stock and the model I
wanted was being updated. It is now back in production and mine is
sitting, waiting for assembly now. I'll be cooking an a couple of days.

If you are not familiar with the brand, Napoleon is to Canada what Weber
is to the US. I had a Weber Summit for a few years at my old house and
since I could have a gas line instead of tanks I upgraded to this. I'm
looking forward to trying the sear station.

https://tinyurl.com/y39qkazb

https://napoleon.com/en/us/grills/pr...ro500rsibnss-3
You won't go wrong with a Napoleon - or even a BroilKing.

I've had a NG Broilking for quite some time now. You WILL find the
heat output of the natural gas unit "doesn't hold a candle to" propane
though - - -



How's the "heat output" when the propane tank runs out?

But seriously, are you saying a 30K BTU propane grill has more "heat output" than a 30K BTU natural gas grill?

If you buy a 30K BTU propane grill and a 30K BTU propane grill, they have
the same heat output. The issue is some can be converted from one fuel to
another by design with a kit or people do it themselves by drilling out
the orifice size. Or people just switch from one fuel to another without
doing anything. In those conversion cases, the BTU output can change
and it does for sure if you change the fuel without doing anything.

On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 7:14:52 AM UTC-8, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 9:26:06 AM UTC-5, Bubba wrote:
On 2/12/19 4:52 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 14:28:40 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On topic since it is a natural gas grill and I will have to hook it up
to a gas line on the lanai.

I ordered this in early January but it was out of stock and the model I
wanted was being updated. It is now back in production and mine is
sitting, waiting for assembly now. I'll be cooking an a couple of days.

If you are not familiar with the brand, Napoleon is to Canada what Weber
is to the US. I had a Weber Summit for a few years at my old house and
since I could have a gas line instead of tanks I upgraded to this. I'm
looking forward to trying the sear station.

https://tinyurl.com/y39qkazb

https://napoleon.com/en/us/grills/pr...ro500rsibnss-3
You won't go wrong with a Napoleon - or even a BroilKing.

I've had a NG Broilking for quite some time now. You WILL find the
heat output of the natural gas unit "doesn't hold a candle to" propane
though - - -



How's the "heat output" when the propane tank runs out?

But seriously, are you saying a 30K BTU propane grill has more "heat output" than a 30K BTU natural gas grill?

If you buy a 30K BTU propane grill and a 30K BTU propane grill, they have
the same heat output. The issue is some can be converted from one fuel to
another by design with a kit or people do it themselves by drilling out
the orifice size. Or people just switch from one fuel to another without
doing anything. In those conversion cases, the BTU output can change
and it does for sure if you change the fuel without doing anything.

"If you buy a 30K BTU propane grill and a 30K BTU propane grill, they have
the same heat output."

Of course. What is your point?

On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 10:25:39 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 7:14:52 AM UTC-8, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 9:26:06 AM UTC-5, Bubba wrote:
On 2/12/19 4:52 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 14:28:40 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On topic since it is a natural gas grill and I will have to hook it up
to a gas line on the lanai.

I ordered this in early January but it was out of stock and the model I
wanted was being updated. It is now back in production and mine is
sitting, waiting for assembly now. I'll be cooking an a couple of days.

If you are not familiar with the brand, Napoleon is to Canada what Weber
is to the US. I had a Weber Summit for a few years at my old house and
since I could have a gas line instead of tanks I upgraded to this. I'm
looking forward to trying the sear station.

https://tinyurl.com/y39qkazb

https://napoleon.com/en/us/grills/pr...ro500rsibnss-3
You won't go wrong with a Napoleon - or even a BroilKing.

I've had a NG Broilking for quite some time now. You WILL find the
heat output of the natural gas unit "doesn't hold a candle to" propane
though - - -



How's the "heat output" when the propane tank runs out?

But seriously, are you saying a 30K BTU propane grill has more "heat output" than a 30K BTU natural gas grill?

If you buy a 30K BTU propane grill and a 30K BTU propane grill, they have
the same heat output. The issue is some can be converted from one fuel to
another by design with a kit or people do it themselves by drilling out
the orifice size. Or people just switch from one fuel to another without
doing anything. In those conversion cases, the BTU output can change
and it does for sure if you change the fuel without doing anything.

"If you buy a 30K BTU propane grill and a 30K BTU propane grill, they have
the same heat output."

Of course. What is your point?


The point was clearly explained in the part you apparently chose to ignore.

On 2/13/19 10:47 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 10:25:39 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 7:14:52 AM UTC-8, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 9:26:06 AM UTC-5, Bubba wrote:
On 2/12/19 4:52 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 14:28:40 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On topic since it is a natural gas grill and I will have to hook it up
to a gas line on the lanai.

I ordered this in early January but it was out of stock and the model I
wanted was being updated. It is now back in production and mine is
sitting, waiting for assembly now. I'll be cooking an a couple of days.

If you are not familiar with the brand, Napoleon is to Canada what Weber
is to the US. I had a Weber Summit for a few years at my old house and
since I could have a gas line instead of tanks I upgraded to this. I'm
looking forward to trying the sear station.

https://tinyurl.com/y39qkazb

https://napoleon.com/en/us/grills/pr...ro500rsibnss-3
You won't go wrong with a Napoleon - or even a BroilKing.

I've had a NG Broilking for quite some time now. You WILL find the
heat output of the natural gas unit "doesn't hold a candle to" propane
though - - -



How's the "heat output" when the propane tank runs out?

But seriously, are you saying a 30K BTU propane grill has more "heat output" than a 30K BTU natural gas grill?

If you buy a 30K BTU propane grill and a 30K BTU propane grill, they have
the same heat output. The issue is some can be converted from one fuel to
another by design with a kit or people do it themselves by drilling out
the orifice size. Or people just switch from one fuel to another without
doing anything. In those conversion cases, the BTU output can change
and it does for sure if you change the fuel without doing anything.

"If you buy a 30K BTU propane grill and a 30K BTU propane grill, they have
the same heat output."

Of course. What is your point?


The point was clearly explained in the part you apparently chose to ignore.


Not really. The OP stated "You WILL find the heat output of the natural gas unit 'doesn't hold a candle to' propane though - - -"

I believe that statement to be factually incorrect.

On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 11:52:04 AM UTC-5, John Jackson wrote:
On 2/13/19 10:47 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 10:25:39 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 7:14:52 AM UTC-8, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 9:26:06 AM UTC-5, Bubba wrote:
On 2/12/19 4:52 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 14:28:40 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On topic since it is a natural gas grill and I will have to hook it up
to a gas line on the lanai.

I ordered this in early January but it was out of stock and the model I
wanted was being updated. It is now back in production and mine is
sitting, waiting for assembly now. I'll be cooking an a couple of days.

If you are not familiar with the brand, Napoleon is to Canada what Weber
is to the US. I had a Weber Summit for a few years at my old house and
since I could have a gas line instead of tanks I upgraded to this. I'm
looking forward to trying the sear station.

https://tinyurl.com/y39qkazb

https://napoleon.com/en/us/grills/pr...ro500rsibnss-3
You won't go wrong with a Napoleon - or even a BroilKing.

I've had a NG Broilking for quite some time now. You WILL find the
heat output of the natural gas unit "doesn't hold a candle to" propane
though - - -



How's the "heat output" when the propane tank runs out?

But seriously, are you saying a 30K BTU propane grill has more "heat output" than a 30K BTU natural gas grill?

If you buy a 30K BTU propane grill and a 30K BTU propane grill, they have
the same heat output. The issue is some can be converted from one fuel to
another by design with a kit or people do it themselves by drilling out
the orifice size. Or people just switch from one fuel to another without
doing anything. In those conversion cases, the BTU output can change
and it does for sure if you change the fuel without doing anything.

"If you buy a 30K BTU propane grill and a 30K BTU propane grill, they have
the same heat output."

Of course. What is your point?


The point was clearly explained in the part you apparently chose to ignore.


Not really. The OP stated "You WILL find the heat output of the natural gas unit 'doesn't hold a candle to' propane though - - -"

I believe that statement to be factually incorrect.

I wasn't replying to the OP, I replied to Bubba. It was Clare that made
the comment about heat output. And without knowing the details of the
particular model or models, there is no way of knowing how the heat output
compares. If a propane model has a tated output of 30K BTUs and the nat gas
model has a rated output of 30K BTUs, then the heat output is the same.
If you just take a grill designed for propane and run it on nat gas, then you'll
get less heat output. Some models have conversion kits that change the
orifices and valve stops. Whether heat output stays the same or changes
with any particular one of those, you'd have to check the manufacturer's
specs.

On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 09:26:01 -0500, Bubba wrote:

On 2/12/19 4:52 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 14:28:40 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On topic since it is a natural gas grill and I will have to hook it up
to a gas line on the lanai.

I ordered this in early January but it was out of stock and the model I
wanted was being updated. It is now back in production and mine is
sitting, waiting for assembly now. I'll be cooking an a couple of days.

If you are not familiar with the brand, Napoleon is to Canada what Weber
is to the US. I had a Weber Summit for a few years at my old house and
since I could have a gas line instead of tanks I upgraded to this. I'm
looking forward to trying the sear station.

https://tinyurl.com/y39qkazb

https://napoleon.com/en/us/grills/pr...ro500rsibnss-3
You won't go wrong with a Napoleon - or even a BroilKing.

I've had a NG Broilking for quite some time now. You WILL find the
heat output of the natural gas unit "doesn't hold a candle to" propane
though - - -



How's the "heat output" when the propane tank runs out?

But seriously, are you saying a 30K BTU propane grill has more "heat output" than a 30K BTU natural gas grill?
I went from a propane BroilKing to a natural gas equivalent from the
same company - and yes, the natural gas grill does not get as hot. I
cannot explain why - but I have friends who have reported the same.
That said - I'd NEVER go back to propane if natural gas was an option.
I've burned fewer pork chops on the natural gas grille -- - - - -

On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 09:43:05 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 2/13/2019 9:26 AM, Bubba wrote:
On 2/12/19 4:52 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:

I've had a NG Broilking for quite some time now. You WILL find the
heat output of the natural gas unit "doesn't hold a candle to" propane
though - - -



How's the "heat output" when the propane tank runs out?

But seriously, are you saying a 30K BTU propane grill has more "heat
output" than a 30K BTU natural gas grill?

A BTU is a BTU and they don't give a different rating. Not that it
matters much for 99% of your cooking as you are not on high all the
time. Just to get a sear.
ANd it is on the sear that it is noticeable - but not a serious
problem

On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 09:44:49 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 2/13/2019 6:29 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, February 12, 2019 at 4:52:31 PM UTC-5, Clare Snyder wrote:


I've had a NG Broilking for quite some time now. You WILL find the
heat output of the natural gas unit "doesn't hold a candle to" propane
though - - -

I consider the switch from propane to natural gas one of the best
decisions we ever made. The grill gets plenty hot, and I haven't
touched a tank in years.

Cindy Hamilton

I've can refill a lot of propance tanks for what the builder charged for
the gas line. Worth it not to have to haul tanks and swap them out in
the middle of cooking something.
It was criminal what they wanted to install the gas line for mine,
and they all wanted to do it with the crappy flexible stainless pipe.

I finally got hold of a plumber/gasfitter who was more or less willing
to do it in iron pipe and I asked him what he'd charge if I supplied
all the pipe and fittings, cut and threaded to fit.

His reply was "you don't need me - if you can do that, you can do the
whole job. Just call this number and ask for an inspection when you
are done" - so I did.

Cost me under $100 including the shutoffs and quick disconnect and all
the pipe and fittings - compared to $400 - $600 that I had been quoted
for the flex tube.

The inspector was impressed with my installation

On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 11:51:57 -0500, John Jackson
wrote:

On 2/13/19 10:47 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 10:25:39 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 7:14:52 AM UTC-8, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, February 13, 2019 at 9:26:06 AM UTC-5, Bubba wrote:
On 2/12/19 4:52 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 14:28:40 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On topic since it is a natural gas grill and I will have to hook it up
to a gas line on the lanai.

I ordered this in early January but it was out of stock and the model I
wanted was being updated. It is now back in production and mine is
sitting, waiting for assembly now. I'll be cooking an a couple of days.

If you are not familiar with the brand, Napoleon is to Canada what Weber
is to the US. I had a Weber Summit for a few years at my old house and
since I could have a gas line instead of tanks I upgraded to this. I'm
looking forward to trying the sear station.

https://tinyurl.com/y39qkazb

https://napoleon.com/en/us/grills/pr...ro500rsibnss-3
You won't go wrong with a Napoleon - or even a BroilKing.

I've had a NG Broilking for quite some time now. You WILL find the
heat output of the natural gas unit "doesn't hold a candle to" propane
though - - -



How's the "heat output" when the propane tank runs out?

But seriously, are you saying a 30K BTU propane grill has more "heat output" than a 30K BTU natural gas grill?

If you buy a 30K BTU propane grill and a 30K BTU propane grill, they have
the same heat output. The issue is some can be converted from one fuel to
another by design with a kit or people do it themselves by drilling out
the orifice size. Or people just switch from one fuel to another without
doing anything. In those conversion cases, the BTU output can change
and it does for sure if you change the fuel without doing anything.

"If you buy a 30K BTU propane grill and a 30K BTU propane grill, they have
the same heat output."

Of course. What is your point?


The point was clearly explained in the part you apparently chose to ignore.


Not really. The OP stated "You WILL find the heat output of the natural gas unit 'doesn't hold a candle to' propane though - - -"

I believe that statement to be factually incorrect.


"In theory" they should be the same. This assumes the natural gas
grille actually gets 2.5 times as much natural gas as the propane one
gets propane. I suspect the difference ,at least in my case, has to do
with the pressure of the gas regulator.

Propane generally runs at 11 inches WP.
Natural gas is generally 6.5 to 8 inches WP.

I suspect the jetting on the BroilKing corrects for the fuel density
difference without properly (fully) adjusting for the pressure
difference - just a SWAG on my part but would account for the
difference.

On my generator (tri-fuel) I get 7200 watts on gasoline, 7000 on
propane, and 5200 on natural gas - with the system optimized for the
fuel being used.If my natural gas was running higher pressure I'm sure
I could get more

Clare Snyder writes:

On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 09:26:01 -0500, Bubba wrote:

On 2/12/19 4:52 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 14:28:40 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On topic since it is a natural gas grill and I will have to hook it up
to a gas line on the lanai.

I ordered this in early January but it was out of stock and the model I
wanted was being updated. It is now back in production and mine is
sitting, waiting for assembly now. I'll be cooking an a couple of days.

If you are not familiar with the brand, Napoleon is to Canada what Weber
is to the US. I had a Weber Summit for a few years at my old house and
since I could have a gas line instead of tanks I upgraded to this. I'm
looking forward to trying the sear station.

https://tinyurl.com/y39qkazb

https://napoleon.com/en/us/grills/pr...ro500rsibnss-3
You won't go wrong with a Napoleon - or even a BroilKing.

I've had a NG Broilking for quite some time now. You WILL find the
heat output of the natural gas unit "doesn't hold a candle to" propane
though - - -



How's the "heat output" when the propane tank runs out?

But seriously, are you saying a 30K BTU propane grill has more "heat output" than a 30K BTU natural gas grill?

I went from a propane BroilKing to a natural gas equivalent from the
same company - and yes, the natural gas grill does not get as hot. I
cannot explain why - but I have friends who have reported the same.
That said - I'd NEVER go back to propane if natural gas was an option.
I've burned fewer pork chops on the natural gas grille -- - - - -

According to this site:

https://www.elgas.com.au/blog/486-co...ethane-lng-cng

they burn at about the same temperature. So, it's not the temperature the fuel
burns at.

I have natural gas, when I replace the burners I need to get burners
specially for natural gas.

There's 3x the energy in LPG vs NG for a given volume of gas
so if LPG burners burn half the amount of gas a NG grill burns, it's still
producing more heat.

--
Dan Espen

On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 15:39:22 -0500, Dan Espen
wrote:

Clare Snyder writes:

On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 09:26:01 -0500, Bubba wrote:

On 2/12/19 4:52 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 14:28:40 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On topic since it is a natural gas grill and I will have to hook it up
to a gas line on the lanai.

I ordered this in early January but it was out of stock and the model I
wanted was being updated. It is now back in production and mine is
sitting, waiting for assembly now. I'll be cooking an a couple of days.

If you are not familiar with the brand, Napoleon is to Canada what Weber
is to the US. I had a Weber Summit for a few years at my old house and
since I could have a gas line instead of tanks I upgraded to this. I'm
looking forward to trying the sear station.

https://tinyurl.com/y39qkazb

https://napoleon.com/en/us/grills/pr...ro500rsibnss-3
You won't go wrong with a Napoleon - or even a BroilKing.

I've had a NG Broilking for quite some time now. You WILL find the
heat output of the natural gas unit "doesn't hold a candle to" propane
though - - -



How's the "heat output" when the propane tank runs out?

But seriously, are you saying a 30K BTU propane grill has more "heat output" than a 30K BTU natural gas grill?

I went from a propane BroilKing to a natural gas equivalent from the
same company - and yes, the natural gas grill does not get as hot. I
cannot explain why - but I have friends who have reported the same.
That said - I'd NEVER go back to propane if natural gas was an option.
I've burned fewer pork chops on the natural gas grille -- - - - -

According to this site:

https://www.elgas.com.au/blog/486-co...ethane-lng-cng

they burn at about the same temperature. So, it's not the temperature the fuel
burns at.

I have natural gas, when I replace the burners I need to get burners
specially for natural gas.

There's 3x the energy in LPG vs NG for a given volume of gas
so if LPG burners burn half the amount of gas a NG grill burns, it's still
producing more heat.
Actually closer to 2.5 times, but that doesn't change things that
much - - - -

On 2019-02-13 8:53 p.m., Clare Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 15:39:22 -0500, Dan Espen
wrote:

Clare Snyder writes:

On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 09:26:01 -0500, Bubba wrote:

On 2/12/19 4:52 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 14:28:40 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On topic since it is a natural gas grill and I will have to hook it up
to a gas line on the lanai.

I ordered this in early January but it was out of stock and the model I
wanted was being updated. It is now back in production and mine is
sitting, waiting for assembly now. I'll be cooking an a couple of days.

If you are not familiar with the brand, Napoleon is to Canada what Weber
is to the US. I had a Weber Summit for a few years at my old house and
since I could have a gas line instead of tanks I upgraded to this. I'm
looking forward to trying the sear station.

https://tinyurl.com/y39qkazb

https://napoleon.com/en/us/grills/pr...ro500rsibnss-3
You won't go wrong with a Napoleon - or even a BroilKing.

I've had a NG Broilking for quite some time now. You WILL find the
heat output of the natural gas unit "doesn't hold a candle to" propane
though - - -



How's the "heat output" when the propane tank runs out?

But seriously, are you saying a 30K BTU propane grill has more "heat output" than a 30K BTU natural gas grill?

I went from a propane BroilKing to a natural gas equivalent from the
same company - and yes, the natural gas grill does not get as hot. I
cannot explain why - but I have friends who have reported the same.
That said - I'd NEVER go back to propane if natural gas was an option.
I've burned fewer pork chops on the natural gas grille -- - - - -

According to this site:

https://www.elgas.com.au/blog/486-co...ethane-lng-cng

they burn at about the same temperature. So, it's not the temperature the fuel
burns at.

I have natural gas, when I replace the burners I need to get burners
specially for natural gas.

There's 3x the energy in LPG vs NG for a given volume of gas
so if LPG burners burn half the amount of gas a NG grill burns, it's still
producing more heat.
Actually closer to 2.5 times, but that doesn't change things that
much - - - -


a hibachi on the balcony