On 12/14/2018 10:41 AM, Fred Johnson wrote:
Could static electricity to the eyeball cause lasting harm?* Normally
you just jump and swear with a static shock to your finger etc, but I've
found two instances on google of pain lasting a few days when someone
got a shock on their nose (one in a shop from a perfume bottle they were
smelling, and one from a blanket at home).* But what if it got your
eyeball?

A neighbor of mine got shocked by her landline phone when lightning
struck while I was talking to her on my phone. It turned out that the
phone line protective ground had been disconnected. She said that her
hearing was hyper-sensitive for weeks after that. Everything was way louder.

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 14 Dec 2018 19:41:34 -0800, Bob F
wrote:

On 12/14/2018 10:41 AM, Fred Johnson wrote:
Could static electricity to the eyeball cause lasting harm?* Normally
you just jump and swear with a static shock to your finger etc, but I've
found two instances on google of pain lasting a few days when someone
got a shock on their nose (one in a shop from a perfume bottle they were
smelling, and one from a blanket at home).* But what if it got your
eyeball?

Does it still hurt? The pain will go away. How is your vision? Bleery
or an actual obstructed view in one eye. A little damage to the eyeball
that is not in front of the pupil probably won't hurt you, but you might
want to see an ophthamologist. You should be checked for glaucoma every
few years anyhow.

Victor Riesel, an investigative newspaper "journalist and columnist",
had acid thrown in his face by mobsters, when he was 43 years old, and
he was blind the rest of his life (but he continued to write his column
until he was 76). These days I think they have ways to smooth things
over. at least if the damage is small.

A neighbor of mine got shocked by her landline phone when lightning
struck while I was talking to her on my phone. It turned out that the
phone line protective ground had been disconnected. She said that her
hearing was hyper-sensitive for weeks after that. Everything was way louder.

I could use that these days.

Where do I disconnect that ground and how do I get my phone struck by
lightning?

Yes I suspect that it coincided with her ear wax moving about a bit.
I see that those electrical shows are still popular where people use their
bodies to draw huge sparks and invite members of the audience to try it.
When I was young I used to play with electricity, high voltage in the ranges
of thousands of volts but I did do it safely using high value resistors to
current limit the shocks you got. In fact it could often only be felt as a
tiny burn on the point of the body the spark jumped from.

Its the current that does the damage.
Not sure health and safety would allow what I did in school these days
though.
There are some things you can still get to play with very high voltages
safely. One used to be called a violet Wand. Basically a tesla coil and you
could see the corona around the charged up tip. Back in the early part of
the century, people use to pay for electric therapy with this thing which of
course tingled as it was passed over parts of the body. I'm not totally sure
this was not just a way to get sexual thrills but then I was not around, but
similar things are still made.


Van der Graff generators Windshurst machines etc, both use the static build
up model to create their high voltages and one has to be careful not to add
capacitors to them as the discharge from one of those will kill yu if it
crosses the heart.
Brian

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In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 14 Dec 2018 19:41:34 -0800, Bob F
wrote:

On 12/14/2018 10:41 AM, Fred Johnson wrote:
Could static electricity to the eyeball cause lasting harm? Normally
you just jump and swear with a static shock to your finger etc, but I've
found two instances on google of pain lasting a few days when someone
got a shock on their nose (one in a shop from a perfume bottle they were
smelling, and one from a blanket at home). But what if it got your
eyeball?

Does it still hurt? The pain will go away. How is your vision? Bleery
or an actual obstructed view in one eye. A little damage to the eyeball
that is not in front of the pupil probably won't hurt you, but you might
want to see an ophthamologist. You should be checked for glaucoma every
few years anyhow.

Victor Riesel, an investigative newspaper "journalist and columnist",
had acid thrown in his face by mobsters, when he was 43 years old, and
he was blind the rest of his life (but he continued to write his column
until he was 76). These days I think they have ways to smooth things
over. at least if the damage is small.

A neighbor of mine got shocked by her landline phone when lightning
struck while I was talking to her on my phone. It turned out that the
phone line protective ground had been disconnected. She said that her
hearing was hyper-sensitive for weeks after that. Everything was way
louder.

I could use that these days.

Where do I disconnect that ground and how do I get my phone struck by
lightning?

On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 06:08:56 -0000, micky wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 14 Dec 2018 19:41:34 -0800, Bob F
wrote:

On 12/14/2018 10:41 AM, Fred Johnson wrote:
Could static electricity to the eyeball cause lasting harm? Normally
you just jump and swear with a static shock to your finger etc, but I've
found two instances on google of pain lasting a few days when someone
got a shock on their nose (one in a shop from a perfume bottle they were
smelling, and one from a blanket at home). But what if it got your
eyeball?

Does it still hurt? The pain will go away. How is your vision? Bleery
or an actual obstructed view in one eye. A little damage to the eyeball
that is not in front of the pupil probably won't hurt you, but you might
want to see an ophthamologist. You should be checked for glaucoma every
few years anyhow.

They were google results, I've never experienced it myself.

Victor Riesel, an investigative newspaper "journalist and columnist",
had acid thrown in his face by mobsters, when he was 43 years old, and
he was blind the rest of his life (but he continued to write his column
until he was 76). These days I think they have ways to smooth things
over. at least if the damage is small.

You'd think the acid would only damage the outer layers of the eyeball, which should be repairable, unless it got inside the eye socket and dripped round the back?

A neighbor of mine got shocked by her landline phone when lightning
struck while I was talking to her on my phone. It turned out that the
phone line protective ground had been disconnected. She said that her
hearing was hyper-sensitive for weeks after that. Everything was way louder.

I could use that these days.

Where do I disconnect that ground and how do I get my phone struck by
lightning?

Can't you just rig something up with a Van-de-Graff or the insides of an insect zapper and a phone not connected to the main line?

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 15 Dec 2018 17:41:06 -0000, "Kristy Ogilvie"
wrote:



Victor Riesel, an investigative newspaper "journalist and columnist",
had acid thrown in his face by mobsters, when he was 43 years old, and
he was blind the rest of his life (but he continued to write his column
until he was 76). These days I think they have ways to smooth things
over. at least if the damage is small.

You'd think the acid would only damage the outer layers of the eyeball, which should be repairable, unless it got inside the eye socket and dripped round the back?

This was in 1956. They couldnt' fix outer layers either, I think. The
result has to be smooth and transparent. Just think of how few things in
your body, or in nature, are transparent. You might get lucky now.

A neighbor of mine got shocked by her landline phone when lightning
struck while I was talking to her on my phone. It turned out that the
phone line protective ground had been disconnected. She said that her
hearing was hyper-sensitive for weeks after that. Everything was way louder.

I could use that these days.

Where do I disconnect that ground and how do I get my phone struck by
lightning?

Can't you just rig something up with a Van-de-Graff or the insides of an insect zapper and a phone not connected to the main line?

Lightning is 1000's of times stronger than that. I guess I'll have to
settle for what hearing powers I have.

On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 09:55:23 -0000, micky wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 15 Dec 2018 17:41:06 -0000, "Kristy Ogilvie"
wrote:



Victor Riesel, an investigative newspaper "journalist and columnist",
had acid thrown in his face by mobsters, when he was 43 years old, and
he was blind the rest of his life (but he continued to write his column
until he was 76). These days I think they have ways to smooth things
over. at least if the damage is small.

You'd think the acid would only damage the outer layers of the eyeball, which should be repairable, unless it got inside the eye socket and dripped round the back?

This was in 1956. They couldnt' fix outer layers either, I think. The
result has to be smooth and transparent. Just think of how few things in
your body, or in nature, are transparent. You might get lucky now.

A neighbor of mine got shocked by her landline phone when lightning
struck while I was talking to her on my phone. It turned out that the
phone line protective ground had been disconnected. She said that her
hearing was hyper-sensitive for weeks after that. Everything was way louder.

I could use that these days.

Where do I disconnect that ground and how do I get my phone struck by
lightning?

Can't you just rig something up with a Van-de-Graff or the insides of an insect zapper and a phone not connected to the main line?

Lightning is 1000's of times stronger than that. I guess I'll have to
settle for what hearing powers I have.

But the small amount that comes through the phone and into you is much much less, or you'd be dead.

On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 04:55:23 -0500, micky, a mentally challenged,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blathered:

This was in 1956. They couldnt' fix outer layers either, I think. The
result has to be smooth and transparent. Just think of how few things in
your body, or in nature, are transparent. You might get lucky now.

Good Lord! Yet another brain damaged senile Yank who is thankful that some
sociopathic Scottish troll and attention whore keeps baiting him! tsk

Well the answer is that it depends Normally static at home is not dangerous
as the voltage is very high but the current is low and the duration brief.
I'd expect no more damage to the eye than if it got scratched by flying
debris or whatever, and I'm sure we have all experienced that.
Obviously there are places and nerves that can be affected, and there are
lots of nerves in the finger tips and parts of the face, but generally
things get back to normal in a few hours.
Having been near two lightning strikes I can tell you its not pleasant, but
if your friend really had experienced a lightning strike directly to the
phone line the phone and her would be toast. No matter how earthed a device
is, it cannot cope with the huge current of lightning. In one case I was
standing by a building that got hit, and a split second before it happened
I felt my hair being pulled and prickled all over. No time to do or say
anything. a huge flash and a very very loud bang and I was deaf for about
five minutes with an effect like ears full of water for about another ten.
You do not want to be that close. The heat I and others felt was quite bad,
but luckily none of us were burned but there was a bloody great hole in the
roof of the warehouse just next to the door. all the computers and
electronic gear were destroyed.

The second time I was walking our dog and it hit an Electricity pylon just
by where I was standing. Same again from the sound and radiated heat, but no
static this time.
I blame the tinnitus I get on the first one myself. Not much one can do
about it though.
So your answer is as I say, it depends, but if its merely like you get off
filing cabinets, car doors, vacuum cleaner pipes earthed screws on light
switches or duvets, then its unlikely to cause permanent harm, and just be
an irritation.
Brian

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On 12/14/2018 10:41 AM, Fred Johnson wrote:
Could static electricity to the eyeball cause lasting harm? Normally you
just jump and swear with a static shock to your finger etc, but I've
found two instances on google of pain lasting a few days when someone got
a shock on their nose (one in a shop from a perfume bottle they were
smelling, and one from a blanket at home). But what if it got your
eyeball?

A neighbor of mine got shocked by her landline phone when lightning struck
while I was talking to her on my phone. It turned out that the phone line
protective ground had been disconnected. She said that her hearing was
hyper-sensitive for weeks after that. Everything was way louder.

On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 4:16:47 AM UTC-5, Brian Gaff wrote:
Well the answer is that it depends Normally static at home is not dangerous
as the voltage is very high but the current is low and the duration brief.
I'd expect no more damage to the eye than if it got scratched by flying
debris or whatever, and I'm sure we have all experienced that.
Obviously there are places and nerves that can be affected, and there are
lots of nerves in the finger tips and parts of the face, but generally
things get back to normal in a few hours.
Having been near two lightning strikes I can tell you its not pleasant, but
if your friend really had experienced a lightning strike directly to the
phone line the phone and her would be toast. No matter how earthed a device
is, it cannot cope with the huge current of lightning.

That isn't true. If it was, telephone central offices would be routinely
blown up by lightning, so would internet services, computer centers
and similar. All have lightning hits on lines that go into the building.
All are protected by tiered layers of protection. You can do
the same with your house. First thing, if the lightning hit an overhead
phone line outside the house, the vast majority of the energy isn't going
to make it inside, to her phone, even with no protection. The voltages are
so high that arc over occurs. And with tiered surge protection inside,
the rest of the surge can be dealt with.

I once got a bit of grit in my eye that I couldn't dislodge (after DIY plasterboard work I think), it was damn annoying. After 3 days of it becoming increasingly irritating, I went to Specsavers and they washed it out free of charge, and also gave me an eye test free of charge (presumably both in the hope they could sell me expensive specs). But my eyesight was "surprisingly perfect for a 40 year old - more like that of a teenager". I guess I never grew up :-)

I only saw the effects twice - not sure where the lightning came in, but a row of 4 computers in a youth club had their soundcards fried (literally black in places). Apart from short speaker cables to little computer speakers, I'm not sure why the lightning would have gone in that way. The network cards were fine, but then they tend to have surge arrestors (spark gaps) in them. Nothing else on the computers were damaged. The other time was the network card in a computer in someone's house - that could have been the phone line, although he reckoned a small fork of the lightning came THROUGH the house and landed on the phone cable running along the hall (his computer was fairly central in the building).


On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 09:16:37 -0000, Brian Gaff wrote:

Well the answer is that it depends Normally static at home is not dangerous
as the voltage is very high but the current is low and the duration brief.
I'd expect no more damage to the eye than if it got scratched by flying
debris or whatever, and I'm sure we have all experienced that.
Obviously there are places and nerves that can be affected, and there are
lots of nerves in the finger tips and parts of the face, but generally
things get back to normal in a few hours.
Having been near two lightning strikes I can tell you its not pleasant, but
if your friend really had experienced a lightning strike directly to the
phone line the phone and her would be toast. No matter how earthed a device
is, it cannot cope with the huge current of lightning. In one case I was
standing by a building that got hit, and a split second before it happened
I felt my hair being pulled and prickled all over. No time to do or say
anything. a huge flash and a very very loud bang and I was deaf for about
five minutes with an effect like ears full of water for about another ten.
You do not want to be that close. The heat I and others felt was quite bad,
but luckily none of us were burned but there was a bloody great hole in the
roof of the warehouse just next to the door. all the computers and
electronic gear were destroyed.

The second time I was walking our dog and it hit an Electricity pylon just
by where I was standing. Same again from the sound and radiated heat, but no
static this time.
I blame the tinnitus I get on the first one myself. Not much one can do
about it though.
So your answer is as I say, it depends, but if its merely like you get off
filing cabinets, car doors, vacuum cleaner pipes earthed screws on light
switches or duvets, then its unlikely to cause permanent harm, and just be
an irritation.
Brian

In article , Kristy Ogilvie
scribeth thus
I once got a bit of grit in my eye that I couldn't dislodge (after DIY
plasterboard work I think), it was damn annoying. After 3 days of it becoming
increasingly irritating, I went to Specsavers and they washed it out free of
charge, and also gave me an eye test free of charge (presumably both in the hope
they could sell me expensive specs). But my eyesight was "surprisingly perfect
for a 40 year old - more like that of a teenager". I guess I never grew up :-)

I only saw the effects twice - not sure where the lightning came in, but a row
of 4 computers in a youth club had their soundcards fried (literally black in
places). Apart from short speaker cables to little computer speakers, I'm not
sure why the lightning would have gone in that way. The network cards were
fine, but then they tend to have surge arrestors (spark gaps) in them. Nothing
else on the computers were damaged. The other time was the network card in a
computer in someone's house - that could have been the phone line, although he
reckoned a small fork of the lightning came THROUGH the house and landed on the
phone cable running along the hall (his computer was fairly central in the
building).


Take it from me spark gaps where the voltages and currents that are in a
lightning strike as mere piffling things, thats why we use a lot of
heavy cross section Ally, used to be copper but the scrotes came for
that, all in order to shunt these currents around that what we need to
protect!...


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On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 12:24:31 -0000, tony sayer wrote:

In article , Kristy Ogilvie
scribeth thus
I once got a bit of grit in my eye that I couldn't dislodge (after DIY
plasterboard work I think), it was damn annoying. After 3 days of it becoming
increasingly irritating, I went to Specsavers and they washed it out free of
charge, and also gave me an eye test free of charge (presumably both in the hope
they could sell me expensive specs). But my eyesight was "surprisingly perfect
for a 40 year old - more like that of a teenager". I guess I never grew up :-)

I only saw the effects twice - not sure where the lightning came in, but a row
of 4 computers in a youth club had their soundcards fried (literally black in
places). Apart from short speaker cables to little computer speakers, I'm not
sure why the lightning would have gone in that way. The network cards were
fine, but then they tend to have surge arrestors (spark gaps) in them. Nothing
else on the computers were damaged. The other time was the network card in a
computer in someone's house - that could have been the phone line, although he
reckoned a small fork of the lightning came THROUGH the house and landed on the
phone cable running along the hall (his computer was fairly central in the
building).


Take it from me spark gaps where the voltages and currents that are in a
lightning strike as mere piffling things, thats why we use a lot of
heavy cross section Ally, used to be copper but the scrotes came for
that, all in order to shunt these currents around that what we need to
protect!...

Well not much would shield from a full strike, but often you get stray edges/forks of a strike getting through wires into computers, so a spark gap takes that off. If you got the main strike of lightning into your computer, the whole thing would literally explode - just look at trees that were directly hit, they split in two, explosively.

"Kristy Ogilvie" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 12:24:31 -0000, tony sayer wrote:

In article , Kristy Ogilvie
scribeth thus
I once got a bit of grit in my eye that I couldn't dislodge (after DIY
plasterboard work I think), it was damn annoying. After 3 days of it
becoming
increasingly irritating, I went to Specsavers and they washed it out
free of
charge, and also gave me an eye test free of charge (presumably both in
the hope
they could sell me expensive specs). But my eyesight was "surprisingly
perfect
for a 40 year old - more like that of a teenager". I guess I never grew
up :-)

I only saw the effects twice - not sure where the lightning came in, but
a row
of 4 computers in a youth club had their soundcards fried (literally
black in
places). Apart from short speaker cables to little computer speakers,
I'm not
sure why the lightning would have gone in that way. The network cards
were
fine, but then they tend to have surge arrestors (spark gaps) in them.
Nothing
else on the computers were damaged. The other time was the network card
in a
computer in someone's house - that could have been the phone line,
although he
reckoned a small fork of the lightning came THROUGH the house and landed
on the
phone cable running along the hall (his computer was fairly central in
the
building).


Take it from me spark gaps where the voltages and currents that are in a
lightning strike as mere piffling things, thats why we use a lot of
heavy cross section Ally, used to be copper but the scrotes came for
that, all in order to shunt these currents around that what we need to
protect!...

Well not much would shield from a full strike,

TV transmitter towers do handle those fine.
Expensive to do those tho.

but often you get stray edges/forks of a strike getting through wires into
computers, so a spark gap takes that off.

Not convinced that it does now with modern electronics.
Works fine for primitive non electronic phones tho.

If you got the main strike of lightning into your computer, the whole
thing would literally explode

They don't actually.

- just look at trees that were directly hit, they split in two,
explosively.

That's due to an effect you don't see with computers,
the sap vaporising and that gas blowing the trunk apart.

On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 19:53:06 -0000, Rod Speed wrote:



"Kristy Ogilvie" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 12:24:31 -0000, tony sayer wrote:

In article , Kristy Ogilvie
scribeth thus
I once got a bit of grit in my eye that I couldn't dislodge (after DIY
plasterboard work I think), it was damn annoying. After 3 days of it
becoming
increasingly irritating, I went to Specsavers and they washed it out
free of
charge, and also gave me an eye test free of charge (presumably both in
the hope
they could sell me expensive specs). But my eyesight was "surprisingly
perfect
for a 40 year old - more like that of a teenager". I guess I never grew
up :-)

I only saw the effects twice - not sure where the lightning came in, but
a row
of 4 computers in a youth club had their soundcards fried (literally
black in
places). Apart from short speaker cables to little computer speakers,
I'm not
sure why the lightning would have gone in that way. The network cards
were
fine, but then they tend to have surge arrestors (spark gaps) in them.
Nothing
else on the computers were damaged. The other time was the network card
in a
computer in someone's house - that could have been the phone line,
although he
reckoned a small fork of the lightning came THROUGH the house and landed
on the
phone cable running along the hall (his computer was fairly central in
the
building).


Take it from me spark gaps where the voltages and currents that are in a
lightning strike as mere piffling things, thats why we use a lot of
heavy cross section Ally, used to be copper but the scrotes came for
that, all in order to shunt these currents around that what we need to
protect!...

Well not much would shield from a full strike,

TV transmitter towers do handle those fine.
Expensive to do those tho.

but often you get stray edges/forks of a strike getting through wires into
computers, so a spark gap takes that off.

Not convinced that it does now with modern electronics.
Works fine for primitive non electronic phones tho.

https://www.dehn-usa.com/sites/defau...e-ethernet.pdf

If you got the main strike of lightning into your computer, the whole
thing would literally explode

They don't actually.

Probably because it's rare for lightning to directly hit a computer. They don't tend to be operated outside on top of a hill.

- just look at trees that were directly hit, they split in two,
explosively.

That's due to an effect you don't see with computers,
the sap vaporising and that gas blowing the trunk apart.

Pretty much anything will explode when huge currents go through it. The capacitors for a start - as a kid I used to overvolt them for nice little fireworks.

On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 06:53:06 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rot Speed,
the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


TV transmitter towers do handle those fine.
Expensive to do those tho.

Is this still about "eyeballs", you two ****ed up, endlessly driveling
trolling idiots?

--
about senile Rot Speed:
"This is like having a conversation with someone with brain damage."
MID:

On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 12:24:31 +0000, tony sayer, another brain dead,
troll-feeding senile idiot blathered:

Take it from me spark gaps where the voltages and currents that are in a
lightning strike as mere piffling things, thats why we use a lot of
heavy cross section Ally, used to be copper but the scrotes came for
that, all in order to shunt these currents around that what we need to
protect!...

Is this still about "eyeballs", you two ****ed up endlessly blathering
abnormal idiots? LOL

On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 19:41:34 -0800, Bob F, the notorious troll-feeding
senile Yankietard, blathered again:

A neighbor of mine got shocked by her landline phone when lightning
struck while I was talking to her on my phone. It turned out that the
phone line protective ground had been disconnected. She said that her
hearing was hyper-sensitive for weeks after that. Everything was way louder.

....and senile idiot no.1 couldn't resist swallowing the abnormal Scottish
attention whore's latest idiotic bait, hook, line and sinker again! tsk

On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 03:41:34 -0000, Bob F wrote:

On 12/14/2018 10:41 AM, Fred Johnson wrote:
Could static electricity to the eyeball cause lasting harm? Normally
you just jump and swear with a static shock to your finger etc, but I've
found two instances on google of pain lasting a few days when someone
got a shock on their nose (one in a shop from a perfume bottle they were
smelling, and one from a blanket at home). But what if it got your
eyeball?

A neighbor of mine got shocked by her landline phone when lightning
struck while I was talking to her on my phone. It turned out that the
phone line protective ground had been disconnected. She said that her
hearing was hyper-sensitive for weeks after that. Everything was way louder.

Where is this protective ground? There certainly isn't one in any BT master socket I've seen, just a couple of twisted pairs coming through a plastic tube to the socket.

Kristy Ogilvie brought next idea :
Where is this protective ground? There certainly isn't one in any BT master
socket I've seen, just a couple of twisted pairs coming through a plastic
tube to the socket.

Some service lines would be fitted with a ground connection in the
early GPO days, but I doubt any are now. Most likely there will be a
ground at the pole or the cabinet.

On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 14:43:50 -0000, Harry Bloomfield wrote:

Kristy Ogilvie brought next idea :
Where is this protective ground? There certainly isn't one in any BT master
socket I've seen, just a couple of twisted pairs coming through a plastic
tube to the socket.

Some service lines would be fitted with a ground connection in the
early GPO days, but I doubt any are now. Most likely there will be a
ground at the pole or the cabinet.

I assume this is only for overhead lines anyway, mine are underground.

Strangely some newer houses in the next block have overhead phone wires (but underground mains wires). Did they forget them when building or something?

On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 9:52:09 AM UTC-5, Kristy Ogilvie wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 14:43:50 -0000, Harry Bloomfield wrote:

Kristy Ogilvie brought next idea :
Where is this protective ground? There certainly isn't one in any BT master
socket I've seen, just a couple of twisted pairs coming through a plastic
tube to the socket.

Some service lines would be fitted with a ground connection in the
early GPO days, but I doubt any are now. Most likely there will be a
ground at the pole or the cabinet.

I assume this is only for overhead lines anyway, mine are underground.

Strangely some newer houses in the next block have overhead phone wires (but underground mains wires). Did they forget them when building or something?

Here in the US all phone lines I've seen had a surge protector installed,
bonded to ground, at the house, whether over head or underground.

On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 15:23:28 -0000, trader_4 wrote:

On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 9:52:09 AM UTC-5, Kristy Ogilvie wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 14:43:50 -0000, Harry Bloomfield wrote:

Kristy Ogilvie brought next idea :
Where is this protective ground? There certainly isn't one in any BT master
socket I've seen, just a couple of twisted pairs coming through a plastic
tube to the socket.

Some service lines would be fitted with a ground connection in the
early GPO days, but I doubt any are now. Most likely there will be a
ground at the pole or the cabinet.

I assume this is only for overhead lines anyway, mine are underground.

Strangely some newer houses in the next block have overhead phone wires (but underground mains wires). Did they forget them when building or something?

Here in the US all phone lines I've seen had a surge protector installed,
bonded to ground, at the house, whether over head or underground.

You maybe get more storms there? I've not actually heard of any lightning problems in UK phone lines.

There might be surge protectors within the main socket, but they're not earth bonded.

I don't know why you have them protected if they're underground though.

In article , Kristy Ogilvie
wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 15:23:28 -0000, trader_4
wrote:

On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 9:52:09 AM UTC-5, Kristy Ogilvie
wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 14:43:50 -0000, Harry Bloomfield
wrote:

Kristy Ogilvie brought next idea :
Where is this protective ground? There certainly isn't one in any
BT master socket I've seen, just a couple of twisted pairs coming
through a plastic tube to the socket.

Some service lines would be fitted with a ground connection in the
early GPO days, but I doubt any are now. Most likely there will be a
ground at the pole or the cabinet.

I assume this is only for overhead lines anyway, mine are underground.

Strangely some newer houses in the next block have overhead phone
wires (but underground mains wires). Did they forget them when
building or something?

Here in the US all phone lines I've seen had a surge protector
installed, bonded to ground, at the house, whether over head or
underground.

You maybe get more storms there? I've not actually heard of any
lightning problems in UK phone lines.

Lighting entering the building via the phone line did a lot of damage to
the BBC TV transmitter on Lewis some years ago. I've also seen the
resulting damage to a former colleague's house in the London area

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

"Kristy Ogilvie" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 15:23:28 -0000, trader_4
wrote:

On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 9:52:09 AM UTC-5, Kristy Ogilvie wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 14:43:50 -0000, Harry Bloomfield
wrote:

Kristy Ogilvie brought next idea :
Where is this protective ground? There certainly isn't one in any BT
master
socket I've seen, just a couple of twisted pairs coming through a
plastic
tube to the socket.

Some service lines would be fitted with a ground connection in the
early GPO days, but I doubt any are now. Most likely there will be a
ground at the pole or the cabinet.

I assume this is only for overhead lines anyway, mine are underground.

Strangely some newer houses in the next block have overhead phone wires
(but underground mains wires). Did they forget them when building or
something?

Here in the US all phone lines I've seen had a surge protector installed,
bonded to ground, at the house, whether over head or underground.

You maybe get more storms there? I've not actually heard of any lightning
problems in UK phone lines.

Yes you have, a few like the turnip have reported losing a router to it.

There might be surge protectors within the main socket, but they're not
earth bonded.

I don't know why you have them protected if they're underground though.

You can get a substantial spike on underground phone lines with a close
lightning strike. You can also get the underground mulitipair cables fried
by lighting and have to be replaced after that too.

On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 07:23:28 -0800 (PST), tardo_4 an especially stupid,
troll-feeding, senile Yankietard, blathered:


Here in the US all phone lines I've seen had a surge protector installed,
bonded to ground, at the house, whether over head or underground.

I suppose that YOU, tardo_4, recognize the unwashed Scottish ****** and
troll by the taste of his cock already! G

"Kristy Ogilvie" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 14:43:50 -0000, Harry Bloomfield
wrote:

Kristy Ogilvie brought next idea :
Where is this protective ground? There certainly isn't one in any BT
master
socket I've seen, just a couple of twisted pairs coming through a
plastic
tube to the socket.

Some service lines would be fitted with a ground connection in the
early GPO days, but I doubt any are now. Most likely there will be a
ground at the pole or the cabinet.

I assume this is only for overhead lines anyway, mine are underground.

Strangely some newer houses in the next block have overhead phone wires
(but underground mains wires). Did they forget them when building or
something?

Or something most likely. Likely the conduit is there but was collapsed
by a truck or something so they took the easy way out and went overhead.

On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 20:44:52 -0000, Rod Speed wrote:



"Kristy Ogilvie" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 14:43:50 -0000, Harry Bloomfield
wrote:

Kristy Ogilvie brought next idea :
Where is this protective ground? There certainly isn't one in any BT
master
socket I've seen, just a couple of twisted pairs coming through a
plastic
tube to the socket.

Some service lines would be fitted with a ground connection in the
early GPO days, but I doubt any are now. Most likely there will be a
ground at the pole or the cabinet.

I assume this is only for overhead lines anyway, mine are underground.

Strangely some newer houses in the next block have overhead phone wires
(but underground mains wires). Did they forget them when building or
something?

Or something most likely. Likely the conduit is there but was collapsed
by a truck or something so they took the easy way out and went overhead.

But it's a couple of hundred houses. And the overhead lines are from poles to each house.

On 2018-12-15 2:12 p.m., Kristy Ogilvie wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 20:44:52 -0000, Rod Speed
wrote:



"Kristy Ogilvie" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 14:43:50 -0000, Harry Bloomfield
wrote:

Kristy Ogilvie brought next idea :
Where is this protective ground?* There certainly isn't one in any BT
master
socket I've seen, just a couple of twisted pairs coming through a
plastic
tube to the socket.

Some service lines would be fitted with a ground connection in the
early GPO days, but I doubt any are now. Most likely there will be a
ground at the pole or the cabinet.

I assume this is only for overhead lines anyway, mine are underground.

Strangely some newer houses in the next block have overhead phone wires
(but underground mains wires).* Did they forget them when building or
something?

Or something most likely. Likely the conduit is there but was collapsed
by a truck or something so they took the easy way out and went overhead.

But it's a couple of hundred houses.* And the overhead lines are from
poles to each house.

there's a giant rock under the ground ,
the ground water is too close to the top ,
the shovel guy was sick that day

"Kristy Ogilvie" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 20:44:52 -0000, Rod Speed
wrote:



"Kristy Ogilvie" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 14:43:50 -0000, Harry Bloomfield
wrote:

Kristy Ogilvie brought next idea :
Where is this protective ground? There certainly isn't one in any BT
master
socket I've seen, just a couple of twisted pairs coming through a
plastic
tube to the socket.

Some service lines would be fitted with a ground connection in the
early GPO days, but I doubt any are now. Most likely there will be a
ground at the pole or the cabinet.

I assume this is only for overhead lines anyway, mine are underground.

Strangely some newer houses in the next block have overhead phone wires
(but underground mains wires). Did they forget them when building or
something?

Or something most likely. Likely the conduit is there but was collapsed
by a truck or something so they took the easy way out and went overhead.

But it's a couple of hundred houses. And the overhead lines are from
poles to each house.

OK, I thought you meant a block of flats/terrace houses.

What you got is just a policy change. We had that here. Our phone services
are all underground in the streets here, but the next few later were back on
the power poles for some reason I now forget and then back underground
again for the ones done later further out.

On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 14:43:50 GMT, Harry Bloomfield, another brain dead
troll-feeding senile idiot, driveled again:


Some service lines would be fitted with a ground connection in the
early GPO days, but I doubt any are now. Most likely there will be a
ground at the pole or the cabinet.

This idiot will fall for ANY bait the Scottish sow sets out for him! LOL

On 12/15/2018 4:57 AM, Kristy Ogilvie wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 03:41:34 -0000, Bob F wrote:

On 12/14/2018 10:41 AM, Fred Johnson wrote:
Could static electricity to the eyeball cause lasting harm?* Normally
you just jump and swear with a static shock to your finger etc, but I've
found two instances on google of pain lasting a few days when someone
got a shock on their nose (one in a shop from a perfume bottle they were
smelling, and one from a blanket at home).* But what if it got your
eyeball?

A neighbor of mine got shocked by her landline phone when lightning
struck while I was talking to her on my phone. It turned out that the
phone line protective ground had been disconnected. She said that her
hearing was hyper-sensitive for weeks after that. Everything was way
louder.

Where is this protective ground?* There certainly isn't one in any BT
master socket I've seen, just a couple of twisted pairs coming through a
plastic tube to the socket.

The ground that was disconnected was a wire from the phone box on the
house to a pipe, in this case, where a hose bibb was on the side of the
house.

I have made sure that both the phone and cable boxes are directly
connect to my ground rod using a large (about 1/8") copper ground wire.

On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 18:47:58 -0000, Bob F wrote:

On 12/15/2018 4:57 AM, Kristy Ogilvie wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 03:41:34 -0000, Bob F wrote:

On 12/14/2018 10:41 AM, Fred Johnson wrote:
Could static electricity to the eyeball cause lasting harm? Normally
you just jump and swear with a static shock to your finger etc, but I've
found two instances on google of pain lasting a few days when someone
got a shock on their nose (one in a shop from a perfume bottle they were
smelling, and one from a blanket at home). But what if it got your
eyeball?

A neighbor of mine got shocked by her landline phone when lightning
struck while I was talking to her on my phone. It turned out that the
phone line protective ground had been disconnected. She said that her
hearing was hyper-sensitive for weeks after that. Everything was way
louder.

Where is this protective ground? There certainly isn't one in any BT
master socket I've seen, just a couple of twisted pairs coming through a
plastic tube to the socket.

The ground that was disconnected was a wire from the phone box on the
house to a pipe, in this case, where a hose bibb was on the side of the
house.

I have made sure that both the phone and cable boxes are directly
connect to my ground rod using a large (about 1/8") copper ground wire.

Not sure what you mean by "phone box on the house". In the UK an underground twisted pair wire inside a plastic hose comes right inside the house and terminates in a socket on the inside of a room wall (same size as a lightswitch or power outlet). There's no earthing anywhere, unless it's further back at the exchange or a junction box.

On 12/15/2018 11:18 AM, Kristy Ogilvie wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 18:47:58 -0000, Bob F wrote:

On 12/15/2018 4:57 AM, Kristy Ogilvie wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 03:41:34 -0000, Bob F wrote:

On 12/14/2018 10:41 AM, Fred Johnson wrote:
Could static electricity to the eyeball cause lasting harm?* Normally
you just jump and swear with a static shock to your finger etc, but
I've
found two instances on google of pain lasting a few days when someone
got a shock on their nose (one in a shop from a perfume bottle they
were
smelling, and one from a blanket at home).* But what if it got your
eyeball?

A neighbor of mine got shocked by her landline phone when lightning
struck while I was talking to her on my phone. It turned out that the
phone line protective ground had been disconnected. She said that her
hearing was hyper-sensitive for weeks after that. Everything was way
louder.

Where is this protective ground?* There certainly isn't one in any BT
master socket I've seen, just a couple of twisted pairs coming through a
plastic tube to the socket.

The ground that was disconnected was a wire from the phone box on the
house to a pipe, in this case, where a hose bibb was on the side of the
house.

I have made sure that both the phone and cable boxes are directly
connect to my ground rod using a large (about 1/8") copper ground wire.

Not sure what you mean by "phone box on the house".* In the UK an
underground twisted pair wire inside a plastic hose comes right inside
the house and terminates in a socket on the inside of a room wall (same
size as a lightswitch or power outlet).* There's no earthing anywhere,
unless it's further back at the exchange or a junction box.

It could be that they really don't use a ground for underground phone
connections. Since there's a separate wire set for each residence, there
is less likelihood of faults at a neighbor getting into your wiring. If
you have cable TV, is there a ground there?

On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 20:20:57 -0000, Bob F wrote:

On 12/15/2018 11:18 AM, Kristy Ogilvie wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 18:47:58 -0000, Bob F wrote:

On 12/15/2018 4:57 AM, Kristy Ogilvie wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 03:41:34 -0000, Bob F wrote:

On 12/14/2018 10:41 AM, Fred Johnson wrote:
Could static electricity to the eyeball cause lasting harm? Normally
you just jump and swear with a static shock to your finger etc, but
I've
found two instances on google of pain lasting a few days when someone
got a shock on their nose (one in a shop from a perfume bottle they
were
smelling, and one from a blanket at home). But what if it got your
eyeball?

A neighbor of mine got shocked by her landline phone when lightning
struck while I was talking to her on my phone. It turned out that the
phone line protective ground had been disconnected. She said that her
hearing was hyper-sensitive for weeks after that. Everything was way
louder.

Where is this protective ground? There certainly isn't one in any BT
master socket I've seen, just a couple of twisted pairs coming through a
plastic tube to the socket.

The ground that was disconnected was a wire from the phone box on the
house to a pipe, in this case, where a hose bibb was on the side of the
house.

I have made sure that both the phone and cable boxes are directly
connect to my ground rod using a large (about 1/8") copper ground wire.

Not sure what you mean by "phone box on the house". In the UK an
underground twisted pair wire inside a plastic hose comes right inside
the house and terminates in a socket on the inside of a room wall (same
size as a lightswitch or power outlet). There's no earthing anywhere,
unless it's further back at the exchange or a junction box.

It could be that they really don't use a ground for underground phone
connections. Since there's a separate wire set for each residence, there
is less likelihood of faults at a neighbor getting into your wiring.

Yes, they don't join until they get to an exchange or at least a cabinet (mine is to a cabinet since I have fibre internet to the cabinet), where there probably is grounding.

If you have cable TV, is there a ground there?

Can't tell you about cable TV, we don't have it here, we all use aerials or satellite dishes.

I

Yes, they don't join until they get to an exchange or at least a cabinet (mine
is to a cabinet since I have fibre internet to the cabinet), where there
probably is grounding.

If you have cable TV, is there a ground there?

Can't tell you about cable TV, we don't have it here, we all use aerials or
satellite dishes.

We have Virgin Media cable for BB can't be doing with the telly and its
underground via ducts and no earths anywhere..

--
Tony Sayer

On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 12:20:57 -0800, Bob F, the notorious troll-feeding
senile Yankietard, blathered again:

It could be that

It could be that HE is using YOU for his successful trolling here, you
****ed up senile troll-feeding idiot!

"Kristy Ogilvie" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 18:47:58 -0000, Bob F wrote:

On 12/15/2018 4:57 AM, Kristy Ogilvie wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 03:41:34 -0000, Bob F wrote:

On 12/14/2018 10:41 AM, Fred Johnson wrote:
Could static electricity to the eyeball cause lasting harm? Normally
you just jump and swear with a static shock to your finger etc, but
I've
found two instances on google of pain lasting a few days when someone
got a shock on their nose (one in a shop from a perfume bottle they
were
smelling, and one from a blanket at home). But what if it got your
eyeball?

A neighbor of mine got shocked by her landline phone when lightning
struck while I was talking to her on my phone. It turned out that the
phone line protective ground had been disconnected. She said that her
hearing was hyper-sensitive for weeks after that. Everything was way
louder.

Where is this protective ground? There certainly isn't one in any BT
master socket I've seen, just a couple of twisted pairs coming through a
plastic tube to the socket.

The ground that was disconnected was a wire from the phone box on the
house to a pipe, in this case, where a hose bibb was on the side of the
house.

I have made sure that both the phone and cable boxes are directly
connect to my ground rod using a large (about 1/8") copper ground wire.

Not sure what you mean by "phone box on the house".

Quite a few phone systems have a phone box on the side
of the house where the phone wire coming to the house is
terminated and then there is a different cable into the house.
Hear its often called a Madison box.
https://www.tradezone.com.au/product...ver-22787.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_93TBmmJyZY

Its not legally required and I don't have one at my place.
I have an underground service and have a conduit that
I put in the concrete slab on the ground before the slab
was poured. That comes up in the cavity of the 8" concrete
block front wall of the house and there is a wall plate with
a phone socket on it inside that room and that is where
I join the two cables, the one that comes from the pit
in the corner of the block of land which has the multipair
street cable going thru it down my side of the street and
the cable that loops thru the various phone sockets inside
the house. We don't have the master socket concept here,
the phone sockets are all wired in parallel electrically.

In the UK an underground twisted pair wire inside a plastic hose comes
right inside the house and terminates in a socket on the inside of a room
wall (same size as a lightswitch or power outlet).

So is mine.

There's no earthing anywhere,

We do sometimes have a lightning arrestor that can
be installed in the madison box, normally only seen
with overhead phone lines and normally only used
in very lightning prone areas. They are essentially
an spark gap type thing from the phone lines to
the earth which has to be run to the madison box.

unless it's further back at the exchange

There is that protection back at the exchange or the RIM or CMUX.

or a junction box.

There are pillars here where the various multipair cables
in the distribution area join the much bigger multipair
cables that go back to the exchange, RIM or CMUX.
https://say.telstra.com.au/res/image...001/Pillar.jpg

These don't have lightning arrestors normally.

On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 12:09:18 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rot Speed,
the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

Quite a few phone systems have a phone box on the side

Is this about phone boxes or eyeballs, you ****ing stupid senile troll?

F'up to alt.idiots again

--
Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp addressing Rot Speed:
"You really are a clueless pillock."
MID:

On Sat, 15 Dec 2018 10:47:58 -0800, Bob F, the notorious troll-feeding
senile Yankietard, blathered again:


I have made sure that both the phone and cable boxes are directly
connect to my ground rod using a large (about 1/8") copper ground wire.

The troll made sure that you senile Yankietard will KEEP sucking him off,
any time he feels like getting sucked off by you!

On Friday, December 14, 2018 at 10:45:08 PM UTC-5, Bob F wrote:
On 12/14/2018 10:41 AM, Fred Johnson wrote:
Could static electricity to the eyeball cause lasting harm?Â* Normally
you just jump and swear with a static shock to your finger etc, but I've
found two instances on google of pain lasting a few days when someone
got a shock on their nose (one in a shop from a perfume bottle they were
smelling, and one from a blanket at home).Â* But what if it got your
eyeball?

A neighbor of mine got shocked by her landline phone when lightning
struck while I was talking to her on my phone. It turned out that the
phone line protective ground had been disconnected. She said that her
hearing was hyper-sensitive for weeks after that. Everything was way louder.


Did it turn her into a lib?