On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 00:04:11 +0100
"p-0''0-h the cat (coder)" wrote:



What are you on about now? Corbyn is old labour. Try to keep up!


He most certainly is not. 'Old Labour' worked hard to prevent
Communists from getting control of the Labour Party, and it succeeded.

Corbyn invited them in.

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On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 08:39:34 +0100, Joe wrote:

On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 00:04:11 +0100
"p-0''0-h the cat (coder)" wrote:



What are you on about now? Corbyn is old labour. Try to keep up!


He most certainly is not. 'Old Labour' worked hard to prevent
Communists from getting control of the Labour Party, and it succeeded.

Corbyn invited them in.

I admit that I haven't been paying close attention. I thought labour had
no chance of winning. Now, I'm not so sure. Gawd help us either way.

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On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 08:39:34 +0100, Joe wrote:

On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 00:04:11 +0100
"p-0''0-h the cat (coder)" wrote:



What are you on about now? Corbyn is old labour. Try to keep up!


He most certainly is not. 'Old Labour' worked hard to prevent
Communists from getting control of the Labour Party, and it succeeded.

Corbyn invited them in.

i object...
'old labour' said they were against...but when they got a chance
attlee 'nationalised' about 20% of the economy and was only
stopped by the inconvenience of elections which he could
not manage to nationalise despite wishing to

the main distinction is that agent cob tells the 'truth'...but a
century of leftist 'education' means that many of the idiocracy
can
no longer read let alone think


here is morrison in 1933
https://www.abelard.org/socialism/co...lar_system.php

"Herbert Morrison was the typical unimaginative, petty bureaucrat,
here seeking to purge the Labour Party of any politically incorrect
deviations from the party line. This prototypical bureaucrat showed
great energy and attention to detail. Such men are dangerous. He was
probably the most effective bureaucrat that the British Labour Party
even attracted. He spent his life in pursuit of socialism.

This pamphlet was published in September 1933, Hitler had obtained
power in Germany at the end of January 1933.

It was Morrison who steered through the radical Leftist manifesto of
the UK Labour Party immediately after World War Two, until he had
taken over approximately 20% of the British economy. The only reason
that the Labour Party did not go much further was that the British
electorate increasingly turned against the Labour Party programme,
thus threatening it with the loss of power. In fact, Labour only just
scraped in at the next general election, and was ejected shortly
thereafter. They were not re-elected for almost exactly thirteen
years. That seems to be how long it takes for people to forget.

The fundamental difference amongst Leftist churches is whether power
should be taken by slow erosion (Fabianism) or by revolution
(Communism).

Prices post free: 1 copy 1½d., 12 copies 9d., 100 copies 6s.

one of the few things labour ever produced that cost more
than when they produced it!
it cost me a bout £10 to get a copy!


the communist solar system
THE UNITED FRONT
A TACTICAL MANŒUVRE
COMMUNISM IN DISGUISE
THE UNDERGROUND ATTACK
WORKERS' INTERNATIONAL RELIEF
INTERNATIONAL LABOUR DEFENCE
LEAGUE AGAINST IMPERIALISM
MEERUT PRISONERS' RELEASE COMMITTEE
FRIENDS OF THE SOVIET UNION
THE ANTI-WAR MOVEMENT
NATIONAL MINORITY MOVEMENT
NATIONAL UNEMPLOYED WORKERS' MOVEMENT
THE ANTI-FASCIST MOVEMENT
LEAGUE OF MILITANT ATHEISTS
GUILD OF MILITANT CO-OPERATORS
LABOUR RESEARCH DEPARTMENT
THE RELIEF COMMITTEE FOR THE VICTIMS OF GERMAN FASCISM
KEEP YOUR EYES OPEN!
A SECRET SOCIETY



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On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 10:28:27 +0100
"p-0''0-h the cat (coder)" wrote:



I admit that I haven't been paying close attention. I thought labour
had no chance of winning. Now, I'm not so sure. Gawd help us either
way.

The people who nominated Corbyn for leadership thought he had no chance
of winning, either. They just saw it as an opportunity for some safe
virtue-signalling to the left of the party, who had been a bit
hard-done-by for the last twenty years. Wrong.

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On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 11:49:10 +0100, Joe wrote:

On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 10:28:27 +0100
"p-0''0-h the cat (coder)" wrote:



I admit that I haven't been paying close attention. I thought labour
had no chance of winning. Now, I'm not so sure. Gawd help us either
way.

The people who nominated Corbyn for leadership thought he had no chance
of winning, either. They just saw it as an opportunity for some safe
virtue-signalling to the left of the party, who had been a bit
hard-done-by for the last twenty years. Wrong.

Maybe I should be impressed by that or perhaps I'm just desperate to
spot a winner in this chaotic unholy mess we appear to be in.

The trouble is when I play spot the way forward to a prosperous economy
I fail to see any plan from any of them that's going to deliver that.

I feel like I'm in the doldrums on a comfy boat. Bored.

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On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 13:28:07 +0100, "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)"
wrote:

On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 11:49:10 +0100, Joe wrote:

On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 10:28:27 +0100
"p-0''0-h the cat (coder)" wrote:



I admit that I haven't been paying close attention. I thought labour
had no chance of winning. Now, I'm not so sure. Gawd help us either
way.

The people who nominated Corbyn for leadership thought he had no chance
of winning, either. They just saw it as an opportunity for some safe
virtue-signalling to the left of the party, who had been a bit
hard-done-by for the last twenty years. Wrong.

Maybe I should be impressed by that or perhaps I'm just desperate to
spot a winner in this chaotic unholy mess we appear to be in.

The trouble is when I play spot the way forward to a prosperous economy
I fail to see any plan from any of them that's going to deliver that.

I feel like I'm in the doldrums on a comfy boat. Bored.

define 'prosperous'

does it mean gdp? or some sort of quality of life measure/s?


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On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 14:33:01 +0200, abelard
wrote:

On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 13:28:07 +0100, "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)"
wrote:

On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 11:49:10 +0100, Joe wrote:

On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 10:28:27 +0100
"p-0''0-h the cat (coder)" wrote:



I admit that I haven't been paying close attention. I thought labour
had no chance of winning. Now, I'm not so sure. Gawd help us either
way.

The people who nominated Corbyn for leadership thought he had no chance
of winning, either. They just saw it as an opportunity for some safe
virtue-signalling to the left of the party, who had been a bit
hard-done-by for the last twenty years. Wrong.

Maybe I should be impressed by that or perhaps I'm just desperate to
spot a winner in this chaotic unholy mess we appear to be in.

The trouble is when I play spot the way forward to a prosperous economy
I fail to see any plan from any of them that's going to deliver that.

I feel like I'm in the doldrums on a comfy boat. Bored.

define 'prosperous'

does it mean gdp? or some sort of quality of life measure/s?

Hey! you know it when you feel it. Things buzz and almost everyone is
busy and happy.

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On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 13:37:06 +0100, "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)"
wrote:

On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 14:33:01 +0200, abelard
wrote:

On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 13:28:07 +0100, "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)"
wrote:

On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 11:49:10 +0100, Joe wrote:

On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 10:28:27 +0100
"p-0''0-h the cat (coder)" wrote:



I admit that I haven't been paying close attention. I thought labour
had no chance of winning. Now, I'm not so sure. Gawd help us either
way.

The people who nominated Corbyn for leadership thought he had no chance
of winning, either. They just saw it as an opportunity for some safe
virtue-signalling to the left of the party, who had been a bit
hard-done-by for the last twenty years. Wrong.

Maybe I should be impressed by that or perhaps I'm just desperate to
spot a winner in this chaotic unholy mess we appear to be in.

The trouble is when I play spot the way forward to a prosperous economy
I fail to see any plan from any of them that's going to deliver that.

I feel like I'm in the doldrums on a comfy boat. Bored.

define 'prosperous'

does it mean gdp? or some sort of quality of life measure/s?

Hey! you know it when you feel it. Things buzz and almost everyone is
busy and happy.

rotfl

buzzy or busy?

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On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 14:48:45 +0200, abelard
wrote:

On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 13:37:06 +0100, "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)"
wrote:

On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 14:33:01 +0200, abelard
wrote:

On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 13:28:07 +0100, "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)"
wrote:

On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 11:49:10 +0100, Joe wrote:

On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 10:28:27 +0100
"p-0''0-h the cat (coder)" wrote:



I admit that I haven't been paying close attention. I thought labour
had no chance of winning. Now, I'm not so sure. Gawd help us either
way.

The people who nominated Corbyn for leadership thought he had no chance
of winning, either. They just saw it as an opportunity for some safe
virtue-signalling to the left of the party, who had been a bit
hard-done-by for the last twenty years. Wrong.

Maybe I should be impressed by that or perhaps I'm just desperate to
spot a winner in this chaotic unholy mess we appear to be in.

The trouble is when I play spot the way forward to a prosperous economy
I fail to see any plan from any of them that's going to deliver that.

I feel like I'm in the doldrums on a comfy boat. Bored.

define 'prosperous'

does it mean gdp? or some sort of quality of life measure/s?

Hey! you know it when you feel it. Things buzz and almost everyone is
busy and happy.

rotfl

buzzy or busy?

Both.

Sent from my iFurryUnderbelly.

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On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 13:28:07 +0100
"p-0''0-h the cat (coder)" wrote:

On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 11:49:10 +0100, Joe wrote:

On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 10:28:27 +0100
"p-0''0-h the cat (coder)"
wrote:



I admit that I haven't been paying close attention. I thought
labour had no chance of winning. Now, I'm not so sure. Gawd help
us either way.

The people who nominated Corbyn for leadership thought he had no
chance of winning, either. They just saw it as an opportunity for
some safe virtue-signalling to the left of the party, who had been a
bit hard-done-by for the last twenty years. Wrong.

Maybe I should be impressed by that or perhaps I'm just desperate to
spot a winner in this chaotic unholy mess we appear to be in.

The trouble is when I play spot the way forward to a prosperous
economy I fail to see any plan from any of them that's going to
deliver that.


Absolutely right. Governments don't deliver prosperity, (some) people do
that in spite of government efforts. Sometimes, when they are allowed
to.

€œThroughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances
which permit this norm to be exceeded €” here and there, now and then €”
are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often
condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people.
Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes
happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into
abject poverty.

€œThis is known as €˜bad luck.'€� R. A. Heinlein

People in the Sixties spoke somewhat flippantly of 'the Brain Drain'.
It never occurred to them that it wasn't just a sound bite, it was
something real, something which would blight Britain over the next
century or so, especially coming so soon after a major war. A Corbyn
government would give rise to another one, for exactly the same
reasons as Shifty Harold's did.

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On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 14:33:01 +0200
abelard wrote:



define 'prosperous'

does it mean gdp?

You know my opinion of GDP.

or some sort of quality of life measure/s?


Yes, but that's different for everyone. We might try for some common
ground.

Datum: a nation with roads and other infrastructure as poorly
maintained as ours cannot claim to be prosperous. I was cycling in and
around London fifty years ago, and there were *no* *potholes*. A
cyclist pays a bit more attention to the state of the road than do
motorists.

Datum: a nation which cannot maintain the widespread police patrols,
the number of A&E departments, the response times to varying degrees
of health emergency that were routine in the 1950s cannot claim
to be prosperous.

Datum: a nation which cannot achieve the child literacy and numeracy
which were routine in the 1950s ...etc.

Everyone will have a list of these things. While some *people* are
exceedingly prosperous today, the country as a whole isn't, and as the
daft cat says, none of the politicians are offering to improve things.
Oh, they all talk, but the only prosperity they are really interested in
is their own. From the site (one of thousands) from which by chance I
lifted my earlier Heinlein quotation:

"Today, we have a state that teaches people €” through its policies and
its words €” to despise the minority who keep moving the human race
forward. We have politicians who arent qualified to run hotdog stands
making decisions about re-engineering our economy and continuing to
subvert the economy. (The problems are on both sides of the
mainstream.) All the time, they tell us its not their fault. They tell
us that if they werent engaging in their financial madness, things
would be even worse. They want us to believe that our troubles are all
bad luck, not their fault.

The state is the place to lay the blame. Its time for the creative and
productive minority to set itself free from the chains of the state €”
and refuse to serve those who claim to be its masters."

Written in the US in 2011 by David McElroy, but timeless, and certainly
applicable over here.

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On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 15:27:24 +0100, Joe wrote:

On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 14:33:01 +0200
abelard wrote:



define 'prosperous'

does it mean gdp?

You know my opinion of GDP.

i am well aware that you are sane and informed

or some sort of quality of life measure/s?


Yes, but that's different for everyone. We might try for some common
ground.

indeed
but how else am i to tease emergent sense out of a cat?

Datum: a nation with roads and other infrastructure as poorly
maintained as ours cannot claim to be prosperous. I was cycling in and
around London fifty years ago, and there were *no* *potholes*. A
cyclist pays a bit more attention to the state of the road than do
motorists.

Datum: a nation which cannot maintain the widespread police patrols,
the number of A&E departments, the response times to varying degrees
of health emergency that were routine in the 1950s cannot claim
to be prosperous.

Datum: a nation which cannot achieve the child literacy and numeracy
which were routine in the 1950s ...etc.

Everyone will have a list of these things. While some *people* are
exceedingly prosperous today, the country as a whole isn't, and as the
daft cat says, none of the politicians are offering to improve things.
Oh, they all talk, but the only prosperity they are really interested in
is their own. From the site (one of thousands) from which by chance I
lifted my earlier Heinlein quotation:

"Today, we have a state that teaches people — through its policies and
its words — to despise the minority who keep moving the human race
forward. We have politicians who aren’t qualified to run hotdog stands
making decisions about re-engineering our economy and continuing to
subvert the economy. (The problems are on both sides of the
mainstream.) All the time, they tell us it’s not their fault. They tell
us that if they weren’t engaging in their financial madness, things
would be even worse. They want us to believe that our troubles are all
bad luck, not their fault.

idiots vote for them
hardly their fault that the likes of agent cob and brown the clown
are taught that they are 'smart' by the actions of the idiocracy

where is the difference from mummy telling some of these posters
they are interesting and intelligent?

The state is the place to lay the blame. It’s time for the creative and
productive minority to set itself free from the chains of the state —
and refuse to serve those who claim to be its masters."

Written in the US in 2011 by David McElroy, but timeless, and certainly
applicable over here.

i don't care who you blame...

it's your job to stop it...

look to the standards in teaching colleges...of course the rulers
of those sets of learning are not going to employ people
won't kiss them, let alone those who tell them they are
failing and incompetent

"the creative and productive minority to set itself free"
will not be freed by those whose interests will be
undermined
or may even threaten their 'jobs'


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