Hello,

Could anyone please suggest a toilet bowl cleaner that
actually works, other than the one(s) that are apparently
nothing but Hydrochlorlic (HCl) acid ?

And, anything specific for that bluish-green stain
that is fairly common I imagine ?
Possibly some kind
of Sulfate deposit from the water itself ?

Thanks,
B.

On 7/26/2017 6:44 AM, Bob wrote:
Hello,

Could anyone please suggest a toilet bowl cleaner that
actually works, other than the one(s) that are apparently
nothing but Hydrochlorlic (HCl) acid ?

And, anything specific for that bluish-green stain
that is fairly common I imagine ?
Possibly some kind
of Sulfate deposit from the water itself ?

Thanks,
B.

The stain is from stuff in the water. I'd try CLR if no one give a
better reply on exactly what it is and how to eliminate it.

For normal cleaning, I use a glug or two of bleach and brush it around
but I never get those blue stains.

On 07/26/2017 04:44 AM, Bob wrote:
Could anyone please suggest a toilet bowl cleaner that
actually works, other than the one(s) that are apparently
nothing but Hydrochlorlic (HCl) acid ?

Suggest a cleaner that works other than the one that works? You might
try phosphoric acid. You can find it in Home Depot around the concrete
supplies. It's used to etch concrete but is not as aggressive as
hydrochloric. It's sometimes used to descale coffee makers. Even vinegar
might work but I wouldn't count on it.

On 7/26/2017 10:11 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 07/26/2017 04:44 AM, Bob wrote:
Could anyone please suggest a toilet bowl cleaner that
actually works, other than the one(s) that are apparently
nothing but Hydrochlorlic (HCl) acid ?

Suggest a cleaner that works other than the one that works? You might
try phosphoric acid. You can find it in Home Depot around the concrete
supplies. It's used to etch concrete but is not as aggressive as
hydrochloric. It's sometimes used to descale coffee makers. Even vinegar
might work but I wouldn't count on it.


I seem to recall these cleaners contain hydrochloric acid at half the
strength of what is sold as Muriatic acid or about 35% HCl. They also
seem to contain a viscosity booster and dye to cling to sides of toilet.
You could cheaply make your own but be careful the strong acid fumes and
dilute it where you will not have to breathe them.

Something wife used to use Iron Out which contains sodium metabisulfite
and sodium hydrosulfite. It was quite effective. I note that the
metabisulfite does not seem to work alone as I tried stuff left over
from my wine making days used to help yeast keep clear of bad strains.

On Wed, 26 Jul 2017 06:44:12 -0400, Bob wrote:

Hello,

Could anyone please suggest a toilet bowl cleaner that
actually works, other than the one(s) that are apparently
nothing but Hydrochlorlic (HCl) acid ?

And, anything specific for that bluish-green stain
that is fairly common I imagine ?
Possibly some kind
of Sulfate deposit from the water itself ?

Thanks,
B.

ISTR, the blue stain is caused by acidic water in copper pipes.

Have you tried a cleansing power like Comet and a brush? Scrub it off
with the abrasive powder.

On 07/26/2017 02:17 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
We havea tried CLR, chlorine bleach, and a host of other toilet
cleaning products, none of which worked. We now use ZEP Commercial
acidid toilet bowl cleaner. It's cleaning ability is nothing short of
amazing. However, the container does not specify what type of acid it
contains.

http://content.rpgov.net/dpw/right_t...%20Cleaner.pdf

No, but the MSDS does....


HYDROCHLORIC ACID; muriatic acid; hydrogen chloride; HCl
7647-01-0
5 - 15
SULFAMIC ACID; amidosulfonic acid; amidosulfuric acid
5329-14-6
1 - 5
QUATERNARY AMMONIUM CHLORIDES; blend of alkyl dimethylbenzyl ammonium
chlorides, alkyl dimethyl ethylbenzyl ammonium chlorides, and ethanol
85409-23-0; 68391-
01-5

The last bunch are surfactants.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Custom-Bu...0231/300176044

It might be worth buying a pound and seeing if the sulfamic gets rid of
the mineralization by itself. If not, throw in a little HCL.
1 - 5

Wayne Boatwright wrote in
9.45:

On Wed 26 Jul 2017 06:49:41p, rbowman told us...

On 07/26/2017 02:17 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
We havea tried CLR, chlorine bleach, and a host of other toilet
cleaning products, none of which worked. We now use ZEP
Commercial acidid toilet bowl cleaner. It's cleaning ability is
nothing short of amazing. However, the container does not
specify what type of acid it contains.

http://content.rpgov.net/dpw/right_t...Acidic%20Toile
t%20Bowl%20Cleaner.pdf

No, but the MSDS does....


HYDROCHLORIC ACID; muriatic acid; hydrogen chloride; HCl
7647-01-0
5 - 15
SULFAMIC ACID; amidosulfonic acid; amidosulfuric acid
5329-14-6
1 - 5
QUATERNARY AMMONIUM CHLORIDES; blend of alkyl dimethylbenzyl
ammonium chlorides, alkyl dimethyl ethylbenzyl ammonium
chlorides, and ethanol 85409-23-0; 68391-
01-5

The last bunch are surfactants.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Custom-Bu...qua-Mix-1-lb-S
ulfamic-Acid-Crystals-050231/300176044

It might be worth buying a pound and seeing if the sulfamic gets
rid of the mineralization by itself. If not, throw in a little
HCL. 1 - 5


Thanks for the valuable information. We are very careful with it and
since it's the onlyh product we've been happy with the results, we
will continue to use it.

We were aware that it contained acids, but not the breakdown you
supplied. We have always used laboratory grade chemicala resistant
gloves.

Sorry if this wasn't hepful to the OP.


Does the container say anything about septic tanks - safe?


--
I love a good meal! That's why I don't cook.

On Wed, 26 Jul 2017 19:49:41 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 07/26/2017 02:17 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
We havea tried CLR, chlorine bleach, and a host of other toilet
cleaning products, none of which worked. We now use ZEP Commercial
acidid toilet bowl cleaner. It's cleaning ability is nothing short of
amazing. However, the container does not specify what type of acid it
contains.

http://content.rpgov.net/dpw/right_t...%20Cleaner.pdf

No, but the MSDS does....


HYDROCHLORIC ACID; muriatic acid; hydrogen chloride; HCl
7647-01-0
5 - 15
SULFAMIC ACID; amidosulfonic acid; amidosulfuric acid
5329-14-6
1 - 5
QUATERNARY AMMONIUM CHLORIDES; blend of alkyl dimethylbenzyl ammonium
chlorides, alkyl dimethyl ethylbenzyl ammonium chlorides, and ethanol
85409-23-0; 68391-
01-5

The last bunch are surfactants.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Custom-Bu...0231/300176044

It might be worth buying a pound and seeing if the sulfamic gets rid of
the mineralization by itself. If not, throw in a little HCL.
1 - 5

Sulfamic acid crystals are a milder form of Muriactic acid. Used as a
tile and grout cleaner -- made by Tile Labs. . Accidentally spilled a
drop on a paver. It looked new in that spot. Read mixture directions
explicitly.

On Wed, 26 Jul 2017 20:21:06 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
wrote:

ISTR, the blue stain is caused by acidic water in copper pipes.

Have you tried a cleansing power like Comet and a brush? Scrub it off
with the abrasive powder.


Those usually scratch the porcelain.

Be gentle once and awhile.

- flush

- sprinkle the stain area while wet

- slight scrub and flush.

On 07/26/2017 03:44 AM, Bob wrote:
Hello,

Could anyone please suggest a toilet bowl cleaner that
actually works, other than the one(s) that are apparently
nothing but Hydrochlorlic (HCl) acid ?

And, anything specific for that bluish-green stain
that is fairly common I imagine ?
Possibly some kind
of Sulfate deposit from the water itself ?

Thanks,
B.

Blue means copper.

Maybe this link will help:

http://www.wikihow.com/Remove-Copper...hs-and-Showers

On 27 Jul 2017 17:48:22 GMT, KenK wrote:

Wayne Boatwright wrote in
79.45:

On Wed 26 Jul 2017 06:49:41p, rbowman told us...

On 07/26/2017 02:17 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
We havea tried CLR, chlorine bleach, and a host of other toilet
cleaning products, none of which worked. We now use ZEP
Commercial acidid toilet bowl cleaner. It's cleaning ability is
nothing short of amazing. However, the container does not
specify what type of acid it contains.

http://content.rpgov.net/dpw/right_t...Acidic%20Toile
t%20Bowl%20Cleaner.pdf

No, but the MSDS does....


HYDROCHLORIC ACID; muriatic acid; hydrogen chloride; HCl
7647-01-0
5 - 15
SULFAMIC ACID; amidosulfonic acid; amidosulfuric acid
5329-14-6
1 - 5
QUATERNARY AMMONIUM CHLORIDES; blend of alkyl dimethylbenzyl
ammonium chlorides, alkyl dimethyl ethylbenzyl ammonium
chlorides, and ethanol 85409-23-0; 68391-
01-5

The last bunch are surfactants.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Custom-Bu...qua-Mix-1-lb-S
ulfamic-Acid-Crystals-050231/300176044

It might be worth buying a pound and seeing if the sulfamic gets
rid of the mineralization by itself. If not, throw in a little
HCL. 1 - 5


Thanks for the valuable information. We are very careful with it and
since it's the onlyh product we've been happy with the results, we
will continue to use it.

We were aware that it contained acids, but not the breakdown you
supplied. We have always used laboratory grade chemicala resistant
gloves.

Sorry if this wasn't hepful to the OP.


Does the container say anything about septic tanks - safe?

Ken,

Neutralize the acid before the flush acid. Baking soda works. Do this
is you have a septic and/or metal sewage lines.

In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 27 Jul 2017 10:52:20 -0700, Oren
wrote:

On Wed, 26 Jul 2017 20:21:06 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
wrote:

ISTR, the blue stain is caused by acidic water in copper pipes.

Have you tried a cleansing power like Comet and a brush? Scrub it off
with the abrasive powder.


Those usually scratch the porcelain.

Be gentle once and awhile.

- flush

- sprinkle the stain area while wet

- slight scrub and flush.

Bon-Ami. Doesn't scratch.

I think there is a special product for copper stains but I don't
remember what it is, Zud?

On 07/27/2017 11:49 AM, Oren wrote:
Sulfamic acid crystals are a milder form of Muriactic acid.

Not really. Sulfamic acid is less aggressive than muriatic
(hydrochloric), as is phosphoric, but they are all different chemicals.

On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 20:51:43 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 07/27/2017 11:49 AM, Oren wrote:
Sulfamic acid crystals are a milder form of Muriactic acid.

Not really. Sulfamic acid is less aggressive than muriatic
(hydrochloric), as is phosphoric, but they are all different chemicals.

Opps. I wanted to say "milder form of acid". If I used them side by
side to clean a brick, the MA is more aggressive.

Clear as mud :-)

-- SINGLE USE PLASTIC SHOPPING BAGS ARE ACTUALLY MULTIPLE USE AND TO SAY
OTHERWISE IS HYSTERICALLY DECEPTIVE AS MISLEADING CONDUCT

(c) 2017 Dolf Leendert Boek, Revision: 29 July, 2017

Nous: #38
Time: 08:25 hrs
Date: 2017.7.29
Torah: #40 #8 #10 %81 = #58
Dao: Consequences for Virtuous Discourse
Tetra: #11 - Divergence
I-Ching: H62 - Minor Superiority, Small Excess, Small Exceeding,
Preponderance of the small, Small surpassing

Latin: Propulsator {God who vivifies all things} Alt: Yeyazel {God Causes a
Start} {

1. PROTECTS AGAINST RABIES & FIERCE ANIMALS
2. THE LEARNED, ORATORS & AUTHORS
3. PRESS, BOOKS ETC
4. Astiro
}

#175 CE

- http://www.grapple369.com?date:2017.7.29

..jackNote@zen: 2, row: 4, col: 4, nous: 38 [Super: #468 / #76 - Strength's
Warning Signs, Revealers of Virtue; I-Ching: H20 - Viewing, Contemplation
(view), Looking up; Tetra: 64 - Sinking, Ego: #402 / #38 - Consequences for
Virtuous Discourse; I-Ching: H62 - Minor Superiority, Small Excess, Small
Exceeding, Preponderance of the small, Small surpassing; Tetra: 11 -
Divergence]

DOLF @ 1151 HOURS ON 28 JULY 2017: "I frequently reuse these falsely so
called "SINGLE USE" shopping bags as they are easily placed into one's
pocket and occupy no more space than a handkerchief.

Although they come out crinkled, you can flap them like a newly washed
pillow slip and they re-volume with sufficient air that it is then possible
to easy re-fill it with your grocery shopping--no more fumbling to get
another bag.

Once there is some weight within the bag, all the wrinkles are gone and
no-one would readily know that you are actually using a second hand bag.

A second use is to walk down the street / park and pick up rubbish left by
others whose parents ought to have been preoccupied with auto-eroticism
than procreation or a perhaps may I suggest a "SINGLE USE" condom.

YOUTUBE: "PLASTIC STATE OF MIND (Empire State of Mind Parody)"

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koETnR0NgLY

SUSAN FREINKEL (ONEARTH.ORG) ON 4 MARCH 2014: "Today cleaning up after your
dog is the urban norm, so much so that as California considers passing the
first state ban on plastic bags, one of the loudest concerns comes from pet
owners asking: how will we scoop our dogs' poop?

It's not an idle question. America's 83 million pet dogs produce some 10.6
million tons of poop every year. That's enough to fill a line of
tractor-trailers from Seattle to Boston, one waste removal service has
calculated. Add in litter from our more than 90 million cats, and you've
got enough pet waste to fill more than 5,000 football fields ten feet deep,
according to another poop-scooping company. Indeed cleaning up after our
pets has spawned an entire industry with its own professional organization,
the Association of Pet Animal Waste Specialists, complete with pun-filled
newsletter ('What we doo')."

-
http://archive.onearth.org/articles/...aces-to-put-it

DOLF: "A third use is to collect recyclable and other household waste and
then to discard it.

More waste is generated by container litter bugs and junk mail, than by so
called "MULTI-USE" shopping bags.

If I may be so pedantic and hygienic ...

Say NO to feral environmentalists as unwashed ******s."

RACHEL [COCKROACH] BEN LEVI @ 0046 HOURS ON 29 JULY 2017: "Mr. D. ... ?

i thought we were gonna talk every day ?"

DOLF @ 0052 HOURS ON 29 JULY 2017: "Take your meds..."

RACHEL [COCKROACH] BEN LEVI @ 0115 HOURS ON 29 JULY 2017: "good morning!
"

DOLF @ 0404 HOURS ON 29 JULY 2017: "I hope you have menopause as I couldn't
bear to have another Charlie GARD in the world.

Such insipid humanity ought never breed as it is a cruelty to the world."

GOVERNMENT SHILL #2 ) @ 1200 HOURS ON 28 JULY 2017:
"Hahahahaha!

That's a great way to put it.

Some people need a good slap, don't they?"

DOLF @ 0655 HOURS ON 29 JULY 2017: "WHAT SORT OF MONSTER SILENTLY WATCHES
50 MILLION DIE AND SAYS WHO ME?

An Irish fascist Roman Catholic having their 1920's family wedding
portraits with swastikas on the mantelpiece and never a word spoken about
their Jewish / GLBTI Community hatred which still endures to this very day.

SEE ALSO: "A HOOK TO WEDDING SWASTIKAS"

- https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bz...EwyS0JtMHQxSVU

Such good luck it wasn't us who died...

But Hitler is also dead and the Pope is not.

-- MANTELPIECE DREAMS --

"GOD SAVE THE QUEEN,
LOOKING UPON IN DREAD.
I WONDER WHAT IT MIGHT MEAN,
COULD I LOSE MY SOUL INSTEAD?
ADOLF HITLER IS IN HELL.
JOIN HIM IF YOU MUST.
SADDAM HUSSEIN IS AS WELL.
AND ALL YOU WITH NO TRUST."

To be sure, to be sure--what sort of conscience do you have?"

BRUCE S ): "Of course, it just lets us know the
particulars of his current delusion, but that's still better than vague
hints. You really should complain to your government about your Air Force
smog bombing your cities.

Over here we don't need that sort of behavio[u]r, as we get plenty of smog
without Air Force help. Shame on Australia.

And FYI, we still haven't forgiven you for Hitler."

DOLF @ 0346 HOURS ON 29 JULY 2017: "This IRISH fascist scum has got
distorted realities about HITLER."

BRUCE S ): "As Dara O'BRIAIN said, 'There's more to
life than facts.'"

DOLF: "We don't need any more Irish fascist Catholic dogs within this
country as we want to remember our BOER / ANZAC war dead with dignity and
NOT with any dishonour and contempt which is the Irish ..."

BRUCE S ) @ 0340 HOURS ON 29 JULY 2017: "Dolf should
try out yet another use for these bags.

It helps to combine two or more for strength, but you can tie them over
your head after hyperventilating to get a free "high"!

Just be sure to do it in a nice private place where nobody will bother you
for a while.

If you have any strong opio[i]ds, you can take them first to heighten the
effect."

SEE ALSO: "HOW TO CURE THAT VOCIFEROUS FANNY HYSTERIA AS ITCH"

- https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bz...01FM0lFTHRjRFk

DOLF @ 0346 HOURS ON 29 JULY 2017: "I like your idea of using plastic bags
to pickup dog poo only to then leave it on the sidewalk.

It kind of makes sense when you realise it conveys a value to your children
as they make their way to school."

JAMES WILKINSON SWORD ) @ 0607 HOURS ON 29 JULY 2017:
"It's for the binmen to pick up. It's their job."

-- I AM NOTHING --

"OBVIOUSLY INSANE.
TOO MANY POSTS.
ALL JUST THE SAME.
SUBSTANCE INANE.
VAINGLORIOUS BOASTS.
MORALLY ONLY TAME.
AND ALWAYS VAIN."

DOLF @ 1034 HOURS ON 29 JULY 2017: "You are in LA LA LAND!"

JAMES WILKINSON SWORD ) @ 2116 HOURS ON 29 JULY 2017:
"Don't you lot get bored {#275 = #30, #200, #40, #5 as rimmah (H7415): 1)
maggot, worm (as cause and sign of decay)} of this?"

DOLF @ 2233 HOURS ON 29 JULY 2017: "As an atheist baboon you're not capable
of independent thinking but we know all the meta descriptor prototypes
which drive your claim to rationality and reasoning...

Nous: #38
Time: 21:15 hrs
Date: 2017.2.8
Torah: #40 #8 #10 %81 = #58
Dao: Consequences for Virtuous Discourse
Tetra: #11 - Divergence
I-Ching: H62 - Minor Superiority, Small Excess, Small Exceeding,
Preponderance of the small, Small surpassing

Latin: Propulsator {God who vivifies all things} Alt: Yeyazel {God Causes a
Start} {

1. PROTECTS AGAINST RABIES & FIERCE ANIMALS
2. THE LEARNED, ORATORS & AUTHORS
3. PRESS, BOOKS ETC
4. Astiro
}

#175 CE

- http://www.grapple369.com?time:21.16

..jackNote@zen: 4, row: 8, col: 2, nous: 38 [Time: 2115 hrs, Super: #275 /
#65 - Unlearned Virtuosity as Simplicity; I-Ching: H20 - Viewing,
Contemplation (view), Looking up; Tetra: 63 - Watch, Ego: #333 / #38 -
Consequences for Virtuous Discourse; I-Ching: H62 - Minor Superiority,
Small Excess, Small Exceeding, Preponderance of the small, Small
surpassing; Tetra: 11 - Divergence]

DANCE PUPPET DANCE 💃

YOUTUBE: "PUPPET DANCE IN AFRICA"

- https://youtu.be/j-eOAIyCNPs

JAMES WILKINSON SWORD ) @ 2256 HOURS ON 29 JULY 2017:
"You are a computer program, so I can delete you."

DOLF @ 2309 HOURS ON 29 JULY 2017: "I AM a real person who has by intellect
access to the DIVINE MIND as GODHEAD.

"Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that
the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's
device." [Acts 17:29 (KJV)]

"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly
seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal
power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse..." [Romans 1:20 (KJV)]

"For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." [Colossians
2:9 (KJV)]

The Charter of Human Rights and Responsibilities No. 43 of Act 2006 defines
a "PERSON MEANS A HUMAN BEING€� and the question is, if it is permissible to
extend this definition to be a "PERSON MEANS A HUMAN BEING AS A CONSCIOUS
REALITY OF HOMO[IOS] SAPIEN[T] WHO IS INSTANTIATED WITHIN THE TEMPORAL
REALITY AS THEN THE CAUSE FOR REASONING AND RATIONALITY."

That my mathematical theoretical noumenon defines the meta-descriptor
prototypes which are prerequisite to the BEING of HOMO[IOS] SAPIEN[T] as
EXISTENCE.

We are fighting for freedom against our Police, EOHRC, Lawyers, Magistrates
/ Judges and Military.

SEE ALSO: "FREEDOM OF INFORMATION REQUEST IN RELATION TO A HABITUAL CONDUCT
OF ANTI-SEMITISM AND AND IMPLIED BOER WAR / ANZAC DEFAMATION AS
PERSECUTION"

- https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bz...jVpYjV5OGtpZ1U

Viva our BOER / ANZAC tradition and not their fascist substituted
non-virtue as dishonour ...

Here is some fire 🔥 troll."

- dolf

SEE ALSO: "DIEU ET MON DROIT"

- https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bz...kFKVl84OHhvWTA

Initial Post: 28 July 2017

#SUPPORT #REUSE #PLASTIC #BAGS

Colonel Edmund J. Burke wrote:
On 7/26/2017 7:13 AM, Colonel Edmund J. Burke wrote:
On 7/26/2017 3:44 AM, Bob wrote:
Hello,

Could anyone please suggest a toilet bowl cleaner that
actually works, other than the one(s) that are apparently
nothing but Hydrochlorlic (HCl) acid ?

And, anything specific for that bluish-green stain
that is fairly common I imagine ?
Possibly some kind
of Sulfate deposit from the water itself ?

Thanks,
B.

Uh, well, Bob... I'll pass this over to our expert on ****ters, Miss
Recktum, the colostomied queen of usenet.
Take it away, Miss Recktum. With yer all-knowin' about them toilet
bowls, please help Bob find a good cleaner for his ****ter.


Bob, did any of this answer the question?




--




The Charter of Human Rights and Responsibilities No. 43 of Act 2006 defines
a "PERSON MEANS A HUMAN BEING€� and the question is, if it is permissible to
extend this definition to be a "PERSON MEANS A HUMAN BEING AS A CONSCIOUS
REALITY OF HOMO[IOS] SAPIEN[T] WHO IS INSTANTIATED WITHIN THE TEMPORAL
REALITY AS THEN THE CAUSE FOR REASONING AND RATIONALITY."

That my mathematical theoretical noumenon defines the meta-descriptor
prototypes which are prerequisite to the BEING of HOMO[IOS] SAPIEN[T] as
EXISTENCE.

- http://www.grapple369.com

After all the ENNEAD of THOTH and not the Roman Catholic Eucharist,
expresses an Anthropic Cosmological Principle which appears within its
geometric conception as being equivalent to the Pythagorean
TETRAD/TETRACTYS.