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I have to place a dryer 10 feet from it's plug in, breaker dedicated
outlet. I would like to use this cord: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...lpage_o00_s00? ie=UTF8&psc=1 Some say this is safe, others say it's not. I'd like your opinion. I currently have a gas dryer, but need additonal capacity. Thansk. |
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On 06/02/2017 10:51 AM, Boris wrote:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...lpage_o00_s00? ie=UTF8&psc=1 That should be just fine. |
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On Friday, June 2, 2017 at 11:54:49 AM UTC-4, Boris wrote:
I have to place a dryer 10 feet from it's plug in, breaker dedicated outlet. I would like to use this cord: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...lpage_o00_s00? ie=UTF8&psc=1 Some say this is safe, others say it's not. I'd like your opinion. I currently have a gas dryer, but need additonal capacity. Thansk. Why are some saying it's not safe? As long as the dryer is rated at 30A or less, I see nothing wrong with it. Using a 10 ft cord is a bit unusual, but as long as you locate it and use it responsibly, I don't see a problem. |
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trader_4 wrote in
: On Friday, June 2, 2017 at 11:54:49 AM UTC-4, Boris wrote: I have to place a dryer 10 feet from it's plug in, breaker dedicated outlet. I would like to use this cord: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...detailpage_o00 _s00? ie=UTF8&psc=1 Some say this is safe, others say it's not. I'd like your opinion. I currently have a gas dryer, but need additonal capacity. Thansk. Why are some saying it's not safe? As long as the dryer is rated at 30A or less, I see nothing wrong with it. Using a 10 ft cord is a bit unusual, but as long as you locate it and use it responsibly, I don't see a problem. I agree with you. Those that say no are some amazon reviewers that insist going with newer code. |
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Ralph Mowery wrote in
k.net: In article 8, lid says... I have to place a dryer 10 feet from it's plug in, breaker dedicated outlet. I would like to use this cord: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...detailpage_o00 _s00? ie=UTF8&psc=1 Some say this is safe, others say it's not. I'd like your opinion. I currently have a gas dryer, but need additonal capacity. Thansk. What reason did they give for it not being safe ? Because it's not the standard 6' install, and it may overheat. I say they don't know what they are talking about. If the cord is same gauge as home 30 amp circuit, fine. It is a 3 wire cord which meets the old standard. Newer rules say that the cords must be 4 wires to be safer, but the old 3 wire standard is ok of not upgrading the house wiring. Is that the reason ? Some cite newer code, some say it will overheat. As long as the cord is rated for dryer service and the current rating is not exceeded, I do not see any problem. Seems that it has over a 4 star rating, so should be fine for your case. |
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On Fri, 2 Jun 2017 20:36:11 -0000 (UTC), Boris
wrote: Because it's not the standard 6' install, and it may overheat. I say they don't know what they are talking about. If the cord is same gauge as home 30 amp circuit, fine. Overheating is not an issue at all. The heat distribution from voltage drop will be exactly as it would be with a 3 foot cord and in a 10ga wire that is negligible anyway. Dryers only pull about 21-22a. Some cite newer code, The only code would apply to the part in the wall. If a 3 wire receptacle was installed per the 1996 or earlier code it is perfectly legal to use. If you are in Chicago, there may be a 6' limit to any cord tho. That is just Chicago tho. |
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On 6/2/2017 11:51 AM, Boris wrote:
I have to place a dryer 10 feet from it's plug in, breaker dedicated outlet. I would like to use this cord: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...lpage_o00_s00? ie=UTF8&psc=1 Some say this is safe, others say it's not. I'd like your opinion. The 3-wire cord (L1, L2 and Neutral) has no ground conductor so it connects the metal dryer cabinet to your power company's neutral wire. All is well as long as your power company neutral connection doesn't fail. If/when the power company neutral fails, the neutral's voltage can rise to near line voltage which means the voltage on the metal cabinet of your dryer will rise as well. Obviously an unsafe condition. The 4-wire cord (L1, L2, Neutral and Ground) adds a ground conductor so that the metal dryer cabinet is bonded to your homes ground rod system. The neutral wire in the 4-wire cable is NOT connected to your dryer's cabinet. With a 4-wire cord, if the power company Neutral connection fails and the voltage rises on the Neutral, your dryer cabinet will remain at zero volts. So, I guess your 3-wire cable is safe until you lose the power company Neutral connection...then things become not-so-safe. |
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On Fri, 2 Jun 2017 17:19:28 -0400, Hooda Guest
wrote: On 6/2/2017 11:51 AM, Boris wrote: I have to place a dryer 10 feet from it's plug in, breaker dedicated outlet. I would like to use this cord: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...lpage_o00_s00? ie=UTF8&psc=1 Some say this is safe, others say it's not. I'd like your opinion. The 3-wire cord (L1, L2 and Neutral) has no ground conductor so it connects the metal dryer cabinet to your power company's neutral wire. All is well as long as your power company neutral connection doesn't fail. If/when the power company neutral fails, the neutral's voltage can rise to near line voltage which means the voltage on the metal cabinet of your dryer will rise as well. Obviously an unsafe condition. The 4-wire cord (L1, L2, Neutral and Ground) adds a ground conductor so that the metal dryer cabinet is bonded to your homes ground rod system. The neutral wire in the 4-wire cable is NOT connected to your dryer's cabinet. With a 4-wire cord, if the power company Neutral connection fails and the voltage rises on the Neutral, your dryer cabinet will remain at zero volts. So, I guess your 3-wire cable is safe until you lose the power company Neutral connection...then things become not-so-safe. Since the neutral and ground are bonded at the service entrance, that is a distinction without a difference. In fact, when the 3 wire plug was legal the neutral was required to originate on the same bus as the main bonding jumper. |
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On 6/2/2017 6:27 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 2 Jun 2017 17:19:28 -0400, Hooda Guest wrote: On 6/2/2017 11:51 AM, Boris wrote: I have to place a dryer 10 feet from it's plug in, breaker dedicated outlet. I would like to use this cord: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...lpage_o00_s00? ie=UTF8&psc=1 Some say this is safe, others say it's not. I'd like your opinion. The 3-wire cord (L1, L2 and Neutral) has no ground conductor so it connects the metal dryer cabinet to your power company's neutral wire. All is well as long as your power company neutral connection doesn't fail. If/when the power company neutral fails, the neutral's voltage can rise to near line voltage which means the voltage on the metal cabinet of your dryer will rise as well. Obviously an unsafe condition. The 4-wire cord (L1, L2, Neutral and Ground) adds a ground conductor so that the metal dryer cabinet is bonded to your homes ground rod system. The neutral wire in the 4-wire cable is NOT connected to your dryer's cabinet. With a 4-wire cord, if the power company Neutral connection fails and the voltage rises on the Neutral, your dryer cabinet will remain at zero volts. So, I guess your 3-wire cable is safe until you lose the power company Neutral connection...then things become not-so-safe. Since the neutral and ground are bonded at the service entrance, that is a distinction without a difference. In fact, when the 3 wire plug was legal the neutral was required to originate on the same bus as the main bonding jumper. Yah, distinction without a difference is a nice loophole around code. You can upgrade ungrounded receptacles by just jumpering the neutral to ground on the receptacle. Easy-peasy & cheap. |
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On Fri, 2 Jun 2017 20:29:56 -0400, Scott
wrote: On 6/2/2017 6:27 PM, wrote: On Fri, 2 Jun 2017 17:19:28 -0400, Hooda Guest wrote: On 6/2/2017 11:51 AM, Boris wrote: I have to place a dryer 10 feet from it's plug in, breaker dedicated outlet. I would like to use this cord: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...lpage_o00_s00? ie=UTF8&psc=1 Some say this is safe, others say it's not. I'd like your opinion. The 3-wire cord (L1, L2 and Neutral) has no ground conductor so it connects the metal dryer cabinet to your power company's neutral wire. All is well as long as your power company neutral connection doesn't fail. If/when the power company neutral fails, the neutral's voltage can rise to near line voltage which means the voltage on the metal cabinet of your dryer will rise as well. Obviously an unsafe condition. The 4-wire cord (L1, L2, Neutral and Ground) adds a ground conductor so that the metal dryer cabinet is bonded to your homes ground rod system. The neutral wire in the 4-wire cable is NOT connected to your dryer's cabinet. With a 4-wire cord, if the power company Neutral connection fails and the voltage rises on the Neutral, your dryer cabinet will remain at zero volts. So, I guess your 3-wire cable is safe until you lose the power company Neutral connection...then things become not-so-safe. Since the neutral and ground are bonded at the service entrance, that is a distinction without a difference. In fact, when the 3 wire plug was legal the neutral was required to originate on the same bus as the main bonding jumper. Yah, distinction without a difference is a nice loophole around code. You can upgrade ungrounded receptacles by just jumpering the neutral to ground on the receptacle. Easy-peasy & cheap. If the utility neutral opens, you are depending on the integrity of the grounding system either way. The exception for ranges and dryers came during WWII when copper was in short supply and they decided the danger of sharing the neutral on these particular circuits was minimal.The reality is there was never a significant body count for over a half a century but Phil Simmonds on the CMP that handles article 250 said the war was over in the 96 ROP and the NFPA panel agreed. The official reason was just to be consistent with the rule you imply. |
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On Fri, 2 Jun 2017 20:29:56 -0400, Scott
wrote: On 6/2/2017 6:27 PM, wrote: On Fri, 2 Jun 2017 17:19:28 -0400, Hooda Guest wrote: On 6/2/2017 11:51 AM, Boris wrote: I have to place a dryer 10 feet from it's plug in, breaker dedicated outlet. I would like to use this cord: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...lpage_o00_s00? ie=UTF8&psc=1 Some say this is safe, others say it's not. I'd like your opinion. The 3-wire cord (L1, L2 and Neutral) has no ground conductor so it connects the metal dryer cabinet to your power company's neutral wire. All is well as long as your power company neutral connection doesn't fail. If/when the power company neutral fails, the neutral's voltage can rise to near line voltage which means the voltage on the metal cabinet of your dryer will rise as well. Obviously an unsafe condition. The 4-wire cord (L1, L2, Neutral and Ground) adds a ground conductor so that the metal dryer cabinet is bonded to your homes ground rod system. The neutral wire in the 4-wire cable is NOT connected to your dryer's cabinet. With a 4-wire cord, if the power company Neutral connection fails and the voltage rises on the Neutral, your dryer cabinet will remain at zero volts. So, I guess your 3-wire cable is safe until you lose the power company Neutral connection...then things become not-so-safe. Since the neutral and ground are bonded at the service entrance, that is a distinction without a difference. In fact, when the 3 wire plug was legal the neutral was required to originate on the same bus as the main bonding jumper. Yah, distinction without a difference is a nice loophole around code. You can upgrade ungrounded receptacles by just jumpering the neutral to ground on the receptacle. Easy-peasy & cheap. It works - it is functional, but not legal. |
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On Friday, June 2, 2017 at 8:30:00 PM UTC-4, Scott wrote:
On 6/2/2017 6:27 PM, wrote: On Fri, 2 Jun 2017 17:19:28 -0400, Hooda Guest wrote: On 6/2/2017 11:51 AM, Boris wrote: I have to place a dryer 10 feet from it's plug in, breaker dedicated outlet. I would like to use this cord: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...lpage_o00_s00? ie=UTF8&psc=1 Some say this is safe, others say it's not. I'd like your opinion. The 3-wire cord (L1, L2 and Neutral) has no ground conductor so it connects the metal dryer cabinet to your power company's neutral wire. All is well as long as your power company neutral connection doesn't fail. If/when the power company neutral fails, the neutral's voltage can rise to near line voltage which means the voltage on the metal cabinet of your dryer will rise as well. Obviously an unsafe condition. The 4-wire cord (L1, L2, Neutral and Ground) adds a ground conductor so that the metal dryer cabinet is bonded to your homes ground rod system. The neutral wire in the 4-wire cable is NOT connected to your dryer's cabinet. With a 4-wire cord, if the power company Neutral connection fails and the voltage rises on the Neutral, your dryer cabinet will remain at zero volts. So, I guess your 3-wire cable is safe until you lose the power company Neutral connection...then things become not-so-safe. Since the neutral and ground are bonded at the service entrance, that is a distinction without a difference. In fact, when the 3 wire plug was legal the neutral was required to originate on the same bus as the main bonding jumper. Yah, distinction without a difference is a nice loophole around code. You can upgrade ungrounded receptacles by just jumpering the neutral to ground on the receptacle. Easy-peasy & cheap. You can do it, but it's a code violation. |
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On 06/03/2017 12:34 PM, trader_4 wrote:
On Friday, June 2, 2017 at 8:30:00 PM UTC-4, Scott wrote: On 6/2/2017 6:27 PM, wrote: On Fri, 2 Jun 2017 17:19:28 -0400, Hooda Guest wrote: On 6/2/2017 11:51 AM, Boris wrote: I have to place a dryer 10 feet from it's plug in, breaker dedicated outlet. I would like to use this cord: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...lpage_o00_s00? ie=UTF8&psc=1 Some say this is safe, others say it's not. I'd like your opinion. The 3-wire cord (L1, L2 and Neutral) has no ground conductor so it connects the metal dryer cabinet to your power company's neutral wire. All is well as long as your power company neutral connection doesn't fail. If/when the power company neutral fails, the neutral's voltage can rise to near line voltage which means the voltage on the metal cabinet of your dryer will rise as well. Obviously an unsafe condition. The 4-wire cord (L1, L2, Neutral and Ground) adds a ground conductor so that the metal dryer cabinet is bonded to your homes ground rod system. The neutral wire in the 4-wire cable is NOT connected to your dryer's cabinet. With a 4-wire cord, if the power company Neutral connection fails and the voltage rises on the Neutral, your dryer cabinet will remain at zero volts. So, I guess your 3-wire cable is safe until you lose the power company Neutral connection...then things become not-so-safe. Since the neutral and ground are bonded at the service entrance, that is a distinction without a difference. In fact, when the 3 wire plug was legal the neutral was required to originate on the same bus as the main bonding jumper. Yah, distinction without a difference is a nice loophole around code. You can upgrade ungrounded receptacles by just jumpering the neutral to ground on the receptacle. Easy-peasy & cheap. You can do it, but it's a code violation. Code aside, if it's safe to connect the neutral to ground on an electric stove then it should be just as safe to connect the neutral to ground on a standard wall receptacle. |
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Hooda Guest wrote in
: On 6/2/2017 11:51 AM, Boris wrote: I have to place a dryer 10 feet from it's plug in, breaker dedicated outlet. I would like to use this cord: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...detailpage_o00 _s00? ie=UTF8&psc=1 Some say this is safe, others say it's not. I'd like your opinion. The 3-wire cord (L1, L2 and Neutral) has no ground conductor so it connects the metal dryer cabinet to your power company's neutral wire. All is well as long as your power company neutral connection doesn't fail. If/when the power company neutral fails, the neutral's voltage can rise to near line voltage which means the voltage on the metal cabinet of your dryer will rise as well. Obviously an unsafe condition. The 4-wire cord (L1, L2, Neutral and Ground) adds a ground conductor so that the metal dryer cabinet is bonded to your homes ground rod system. The neutral wire in the 4-wire cable is NOT connected to your dryer's cabinet. With a 4-wire cord, if the power company Neutral connection fails and the voltage rises on the Neutral, your dryer cabinet will remain at zero volts. So, I guess your 3-wire cable is safe until you lose the power company Neutral connection...then things become not-so-safe. I understand, and if I remember correctly, that was one person's comment on amazon. |
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On Friday, June 2, 2017 at 7:04:23 PM UTC-4, Boris wrote:
Hooda Guest wrote in : On 6/2/2017 11:51 AM, Boris wrote: I have to place a dryer 10 feet from it's plug in, breaker dedicated outlet. I would like to use this cord: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...detailpage_o00 _s00? ie=UTF8&psc=1 Some say this is safe, others say it's not. I'd like your opinion. The 3-wire cord (L1, L2 and Neutral) has no ground conductor so it connects the metal dryer cabinet to your power company's neutral wire. All is well as long as your power company neutral connection doesn't fail. If/when the power company neutral fails, the neutral's voltage can rise to near line voltage which means the voltage on the metal cabinet of your dryer will rise as well. Obviously an unsafe condition. The 4-wire cord (L1, L2, Neutral and Ground) adds a ground conductor so that the metal dryer cabinet is bonded to your homes ground rod system. The neutral wire in the 4-wire cable is NOT connected to your dryer's cabinet. With a 4-wire cord, if the power company Neutral connection fails and the voltage rises on the Neutral, your dryer cabinet will remain at zero volts. So, I guess your 3-wire cable is safe until you lose the power company Neutral connection...then things become not-so-safe. I understand, and if I remember correctly, that was one person's comment on amazon. That applies to any 3 wire dryer CIRCUIT. It has nothing to do with whether you use a 10 ft cord or a 3 ft cord. And if it's such a safety hazard, it's rather odd that dryers being sold today include instructions to use them with either a 3 wire or 4 wire circuit. Basically you have a bunch of dummies posting whatever on Amazon. |
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On 6/3/2017 9:38 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Friday, June 2, 2017 at 7:04:23 PM UTC-4, Boris wrote: Hooda Guest wrote in : On 6/2/2017 11:51 AM, Boris wrote: I have to place a dryer 10 feet from it's plug in, breaker dedicated outlet. I would like to use this cord: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...detailpage_o00 _s00? ie=UTF8&psc=1 Some say this is safe, others say it's not. I'd like your opinion. The 3-wire cord (L1, L2 and Neutral) has no ground conductor so it connects the metal dryer cabinet to your power company's neutral wire. All is well as long as your power company neutral connection doesn't fail. If/when the power company neutral fails, the neutral's voltage can rise to near line voltage which means the voltage on the metal cabinet of your dryer will rise as well. Obviously an unsafe condition. The 4-wire cord (L1, L2, Neutral and Ground) adds a ground conductor so that the metal dryer cabinet is bonded to your homes ground rod system. The neutral wire in the 4-wire cable is NOT connected to your dryer's cabinet. With a 4-wire cord, if the power company Neutral connection fails and the voltage rises on the Neutral, your dryer cabinet will remain at zero volts. So, I guess your 3-wire cable is safe until you lose the power company Neutral connection...then things become not-so-safe. I understand, and if I remember correctly, that was one person's comment on amazon. That applies to any 3 wire dryer CIRCUIT. It has nothing to do with whether you use a 10 ft cord or a 3 ft cord. And if it's such a safety hazard, it's rather odd that dryers being sold today include instructions to use them with either a 3 wire or 4 wire circuit. Basically you have a bunch of dummies posting whatever on Amazon. Dummies...Amazon...yes indeed. |
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On Fri, 2 Jun 2017 17:19:28 -0400, Hooda Guest
wrote: On 6/2/2017 11:51 AM, Boris wrote: I have to place a dryer 10 feet from it's plug in, breaker dedicated outlet. I would like to use this cord: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...lpage_o00_s00? ie=UTF8&psc=1 Some say this is safe, others say it's not. I'd like your opinion. The 3-wire cord (L1, L2 and Neutral) has no ground conductor so it connects the metal dryer cabinet to your power company's neutral wire. All is well as long as your power company neutral connection doesn't fail. If/when the power company neutral fails, the neutral's voltage can rise to near line voltage which means the voltage on the metal cabinet of your dryer will rise as well. Obviously an unsafe condition. The 4-wire cord (L1, L2, Neutral and Ground) adds a ground conductor so that the metal dryer cabinet is bonded to your homes ground rod system. The neutral wire in the 4-wire cable is NOT connected to your dryer's cabinet. With a 4-wire cord, if the power company Neutral connection fails and the voltage rises on the Neutral, your dryer cabinet will remain at zero volts. So, I guess your 3-wire cable is safe until you lose the power company Neutral connection...then things become not-so-safe. But the drier already has a 3 wire plug in all likelihood. |
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On Fri, 2 Jun 2017 15:51:14 -0000 (UTC), Boris
wrote: I have to place a dryer 10 feet from it's plug in, breaker dedicated outlet. I would like to use this cord: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...lpage_o00_s00? ie=UTF8&psc=1 Some say this is safe, others say it's not. I'd like your opinion. I currently have a gas dryer, but need additonal capacity. Thansk. What would make it unsafe? It is designed for the job. |
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Boris wrote in
09.88: I have to place a dryer 10 feet from it's plug in, breaker dedicated outlet. I would like to use this cord: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...detailpage_o00 _ s00? ie=UTF8&psc=1 Some say this is safe, others say it's not. I'd like your opinion. I currently have a gas dryer, but need additonal capacity. Thansk. Three days ago, I installed a new dryer with the 3-prong, 10' dryer cord, that allowed me to place the dryer in the only spot it could go. I did a couple of loads, and all is well. The cord did not even get warm. I read all your replies (thanks), and understand the the differences between 3- and 4- wire 220v circuits. Every home I've lived in, so far, has been built before 1996. As time goes by, codes become more and more stringent, sometimes benefiting the end user, sometimes just the contractor/manufacturer. But, I can definitely appreciate grounding a steel cabinet to a home's ground. |
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On 6/23/2017 5:06 PM, Boris wrote:
I read all your replies (thanks), and understand the the differences between 3- and 4- wire 220v circuits. Every home I've lived in, so far, has been built before 1996. As time goes by, codes become more and more stringent, sometimes benefiting the end user, sometimes just the contractor/manufacturer. But, I can definitely appreciate grounding a steel cabinet to a home's ground. Ground and neutral are bonded at the service entrance so no need to waste extra copper on a 4-wire circuit. |
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On Fri, 23 Jun 2017 17:28:07 -0400, Roy Biggins
wrote: On 6/23/2017 5:06 PM, Boris wrote: I read all your replies (thanks), and understand the the differences between 3- and 4- wire 220v circuits. Every home I've lived in, so far, has been built before 1996. As time goes by, codes become more and more stringent, sometimes benefiting the end user, sometimes just the contractor/manufacturer. But, I can definitely appreciate grounding a steel cabinet to a home's ground. Ground and neutral are bonded at the service entrance so no need to waste extra copper on a 4-wire circuit. True if everything oes according to plan. What happens if your neutral fails? Being a 240 device, everything still works - unless there is aome 120 components (like the interior light, or the timer) in which case the case becomes live. There IS a GOOD reason 4 wire is now required by code. get used to it. |
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Boris posted for all of us...
Three days ago, I installed a new dryer with the 3-prong, 10' dryer cord, that allowed me to place the dryer in the only spot it could go. I did a couple of loads, and all is well. The cord did not even get warm. I read all your replies (thanks), and understand the the differences between 3- and 4- wire 220v circuits. Every home I've lived in, so far, has been built before 1996. As time goes by, codes become more and more stringent, sometimes benefiting the end user, sometimes just the contractor/manufacturer. But, I can definitely appreciate grounding a steel cabinet to a home's ground. Be sure to check the connectors. I had a buddy that had one of these that called me for a smell of burning plastic. Upon inspection it was a connector which I assumed was improperly done at the factory. -- Tekkie |
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