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burfordTjustice brought next idea :
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https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db229.htm

On 12/19/2016 7:48 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
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https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db229.htm

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/03/health...ause-of-death/

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On 12/19/2016 7:48 AM, FromTheRafters wrote:
burfordTjustice brought next idea :
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https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db229.htm

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/03/health...ause-of-death/

I heard about that. As I get older I collect more doctors, I've got
three now and am about to get another. Doesn't bode well for me.

OTOH I don't have any gerbils, so I got *that* going for me.

On 12/19/16 4:11 AM, burfordTjustice wrote:
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Gun Violence by the Numbers - EverytownResearch.org
https://everytownresearch.org/gun-vi...y-the-numbers/
Nov 30, 2015 - There are nearly 12,000 gun homicides a year in the U.S.
View annual gun homicides in the US 1981 - 2014. More Americans are
injured with guns than killed. The number of Americans injured with
firearms dwarfs the number who are killed, although data to measure
non-fatal shootings are less reliable.




and the majority were by christians

On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 12:44:40 -0800
ZZyXX wrote:

On 12/19/16 4:11 AM, burfordTjustice wrote:
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cowardly types (democrats).

http://imgbox.com/Q1xPqkn1


Gun Violence by the Numbers - EverytownResearch.org
https://everytownresearch.org/gun-vi...y-the-numbers/
Nov 30, 2015 - There are nearly 12,000 gun homicides a year in the
U.S. View annual gun homicides in the US 1981 - 2014. More Americans
are injured with guns than killed. The number of Americans injured
with firearms dwarfs the number who are killed, although data to
measure non-fatal shootings are less reliable.




and the majority were by christians

What is about self protection and defending your own that scares you?

Are you too much of a coward to defend yourself and family and think
someone else will do it for you?

You bring your pitchfork to the fight...

On 12/19/16 1:08 PM, burfordTjustice wrote:
On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 12:44:40 -0800
ZZyXX wrote:

On 12/19/16 4:11 AM, burfordTjustice wrote:
Not for viewing by Brits, Girlie men and other
cowardly types (democrats).

http://imgbox.com/Q1xPqkn1


Gun Violence by the Numbers - EverytownResearch.org
https://everytownresearch.org/gun-vi...y-the-numbers/
Nov 30, 2015 - There are nearly 12,000 gun homicides a year in the
U.S. View annual gun homicides in the US 1981 - 2014. More Americans
are injured with guns than killed. The number of Americans injured
with firearms dwarfs the number who are killed, although data to
measure non-fatal shootings are less reliable.




and the majority were by christians

What is about self protection and defending your own that scares you?

what part of 12,000 gun homicides a year sounds like self-protection to you?



Are you too much of a coward to defend yourself and family and think
someone else will do it for you?

You bring your pitchfork to the fight...

On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 22:24:51 -0800, ZZyXX
wrote:


what part of 12,000 gun homicides a year sounds like self-protection to you?

If you are going to preach, at least get your numbers right
12,000 is bull****

The FBI says there were 8,124 gun murders in 2014, the last year with
data. That is down from 8,454 in 2013.
Stop listening to Rachel Madcow for your information and look at the
FBI UCR.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/expanded-homicide-data/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_w eapon_2010-2014.xls

BTW during the 2013 and 2014 years we added 42 million new guns to
private ownership (again the FBI)

ZZyXX wrote:
On 12/19/16 1:08 PM, burfordTjustice wrote:
On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 12:44:40 -0800
ZZyXX wrote:

On 12/19/16 4:11 AM, burfordTjustice wrote:
Not for viewing by Brits, Girlie men and other
cowardly types (democrats).

http://imgbox.com/Q1xPqkn1


Gun Violence by the Numbers - EverytownResearch.org
https://everytownresearch.org/gun-vi...y-the-numbers/
Nov 30, 2015 - There are nearly 12,000 gun homicides a year in the
U.S. View annual gun homicides in the US 1981 - 2014. More Americans
are injured with guns than killed. The number of Americans injured
with firearms dwarfs the number who are killed, although data to
measure non-fatal shootings are less reliable.




and the majority were by christians

What is about self protection and defending your own that scares you?

what part of 12,000 gun homicides a year sounds like self-protection
to you?

Really? Got a cite for that?

http://www.gunfacts.info/gun-control...ssorted-myths/

On Wed, 21 Dec 2016 20:38:53 -0600, "ChairMan" no
wrote:

what part of 12,000 gun homicides a year sounds like self-protection
to you?

Really? Got a cite for that?

http://www.gunfacts.info/gun-control...ssorted-myths/


+ 1 The guy that puts that data together, Guy Smith is actually a
Libertarian.

Here are some other numbers.

"NEW YORK – More than 50,000 Americans died from drug overdoses last
year, the most ever.

The disastrous tally has been pushed to new heights by soaring abuse
of heroin and prescription painkillers, a class of drugs known as
opioids.

Heroin deaths rose 23 percent in one year, to 12,989, slightly higher
than the number of gun homicides, according to government data
released Thursday.

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2016/12/09/grim-tally-soars-more-than-50k-overdose-deaths-in-us.html

And.

CHICAGO – Accidental overdoses aren't the only deadly risk from using
power prescription painkillers. A new study says the drugs may also
contribute to heart-related deaths and other fatalities.

The study involved patients given prescription medicines for chronic
pain, including persistent backaches and arthritis. Outcomes for
patients on other types of painkillers were compared with those on
long-acting opioids including controlled-release oxycodone, methadone
and fentanyl skin patches.

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2016/06/14/opioids-linked-with-deaths-other-than-overdoses-study-says.html

....phuc them gun grabbers

On Wed, 21 Dec 2016 19:03:46 -0800, Oren wrote:

Heroin deaths rose 23 percent in one year, to 12,989, slightly higher
than the number of gun homicides, according to government data
released Thursday.

You should know where 12,000 comes from. The FBI says "firearms, all
types, is more like 8,200 (8,454 in 2013, 8,124 in 2014)
The total number of homicides was 12,253 in 2013 and 11,961 in 2014.
That is all weapons, including around 1500 stabbings around 700 bare
hand beatings and a handful of other methods.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/expanded-homicide-data/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_w eapon_2010-2014.xls

I don't mind people saying we have too many murders but they don't
need to lie about it. They should also point out how many are gang
related.

On Wed, 21 Dec 2016 22:39:04 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 21 Dec 2016 19:03:46 -0800, Oren wrote:

Heroin deaths rose 23 percent in one year, to 12,989, slightly higher
than the number of gun homicides, according to government data
released Thursday.

You should know where 12,000 comes from. The FBI says "firearms, all
types, is more like 8,200 (8,454 in 2013, 8,124 in 2014)
The total number of homicides was 12,253 in 2013 and 11,961 in 2014.
That is all weapons, including around 1500 stabbings around 700 bare
hand beatings and a handful of other methods.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/expanded-homicide-data/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_w eapon_2010-2014.xls

I don't mind people saying we have too many murders but they don't
need to lie about it. They should also point out how many are gang
related.

Gun "homicides" also include suicide. If a person is determined and
has made up their mind, you can't stop them.

Hammers, clubs, bats, knives, etc., are used more often than guns to
commit murder.

What some don't get is killing a person is legal and authorized by
law.

On Wed, 21 Dec 2016 19:55:33 -0800, Oren wrote:

On Wed, 21 Dec 2016 22:39:04 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 21 Dec 2016 19:03:46 -0800, Oren wrote:

Heroin deaths rose 23 percent in one year, to 12,989, slightly higher
than the number of gun homicides, according to government data
released Thursday.

You should know where 12,000 comes from. The FBI says "firearms, all
types, is more like 8,200 (8,454 in 2013, 8,124 in 2014)
The total number of homicides was 12,253 in 2013 and 11,961 in 2014.
That is all weapons, including around 1500 stabbings around 700 bare
hand beatings and a handful of other methods.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/expanded-homicide-data/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_w eapon_2010-2014.xls

I don't mind people saying we have too many murders but they don't
need to lie about it. They should also point out how many are gang
related.

Gun "homicides" also include suicide. If a person is determined and
has made up their mind, you can't stop them.

Not in the "12,000" number. Suicide is how they get up to 34,000 or
whatever other BS number you see.

Hammers, clubs, bats, knives, etc., are used more often than guns to
commit murder.

Not really. I gave you the numbers.

What some don't get is killing a person is legal and authorized by
law.
You are correct that does get lumped into "homicides" but the number
for 2014 was 444 (justifiable homicide)

On Wed, 21 Dec 2016 23:29:23 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 21 Dec 2016 19:55:33 -0800, Oren wrote:

On Wed, 21 Dec 2016 22:39:04 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 21 Dec 2016 19:03:46 -0800, Oren wrote:

Heroin deaths rose 23 percent in one year, to 12,989, slightly higher
than the number of gun homicides, according to government data
released Thursday.

You should know where 12,000 comes from. The FBI says "firearms, all
types, is more like 8,200 (8,454 in 2013, 8,124 in 2014)
The total number of homicides was 12,253 in 2013 and 11,961 in 2014.
That is all weapons, including around 1500 stabbings around 700 bare
hand beatings and a handful of other methods.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/expanded-homicide-data/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_w eapon_2010-2014.xls

I don't mind people saying we have too many murders but they don't
need to lie about it. They should also point out how many are gang
related.

Gun "homicides" also include suicide. If a person is determined and
has made up their mind, you can't stop them.

Not in the "12,000" number. Suicide is how they get up to 34,000 or
whatever other BS number you see.

Hammers, clubs, bats, knives, etc., are used more often than guns to
commit murder.

Not really. I gave you the numbers.

What some don't get is killing a person is legal and authorized by
law.
You are correct that does get lumped into "homicides" but the number
for 2014 was 444 (justifiable homicide)

Violent Crimes have gone down yet gun sales have gone up, by a large
number. https://tinyurl.com/ztu9782 2010-2014

A well armed society is a polite society :-\

On Wed, 21 Dec 2016 20:57:30 -0800, Oren wrote:


Violent Crimes have gone down yet gun sales have gone up, by a large
number. https://tinyurl.com/ztu9782 2010-2014

A well armed society is a polite society :-\

Absolutely. The NCIS has done over 250,000,000 gun checks since 1998
and 24,000,000 this year

After serious thinking Oren wrote :
On Wed, 21 Dec 2016 20:38:53 -0600, "ChairMan" no
wrote:

what part of 12,000 gun homicides a year sounds like self-protection
to you?

Really? Got a cite for that?

http://www.gunfacts.info/gun-control...ssorted-myths/


+ 1 The guy that puts that data together, Guy Smith is actually a
Libertarian.

Here are some other numbers.

"NEW YORK – More than 50,000 Americans died from drug overdoses last
year, the most ever.

The disastrous tally has been pushed to new heights by soaring abuse
of heroin and prescription painkillers, a class of drugs known as
opioids.

Heroin deaths rose 23 percent in one year, to 12,989, slightly higher
than the number of gun homicides, according to government data
released Thursday.

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2016/12/09/grim-tally-soars-more-than-50k-overdose-deaths-in-us.html

And.

CHICAGO – Accidental overdoses aren't the only deadly risk from using
power prescription painkillers. A new study says the drugs may also
contribute to heart-related deaths and other fatalities.

The study involved patients given prescription medicines for chronic
pain, including persistent backaches and arthritis. Outcomes for
patients on other types of painkillers were compared with those on
long-acting opioids including controlled-release oxycodone, methadone
and fentanyl skin patches.

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2016/06/14/opioids-linked-with-deaths-other-than-overdoses-study-says.html

...phuc them gun grabbers

I'm surprised that they don't lump heroin overdoses in as "shooting
deaths".

Oren laid this down on his screen :
On Wed, 21 Dec 2016 22:39:04 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 21 Dec 2016 19:03:46 -0800, Oren wrote:

Heroin deaths rose 23 percent in one year, to 12,989, slightly higher
than the number of gun homicides, according to government data
released Thursday.

You should know where 12,000 comes from. The FBI says "firearms, all
types, is more like 8,200 (8,454 in 2013, 8,124 in 2014)
The total number of homicides was 12,253 in 2013 and 11,961 in 2014.
That is all weapons, including around 1500 stabbings around 700 bare
hand beatings and a handful of other methods.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/expanded-homicide-data/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_w eapon_2010-2014.xls

I don't mind people saying we have too many murders but they don't
need to lie about it. They should also point out how many are gang
related.

Gun "homicides" also include suicide. If a person is determined and
has made up their mind, you can't stop them.

Hammers, clubs, bats, knives, etc., are used more often than guns to
commit murder.

What some don't get is killing a person is legal and authorized by
law.

If you are talking about defense of self or others it is not legal per
se, but it is a legal defense in a court of law. If it were truly
legal, they couldn't arrest you for it. Even the police can be tried in
a court of law.

Muggles once said a similar thing about resisting arrest. It is not
legal to do so, but if you do do so, there are legal defenses which can
be successfully applied if the circumstances are right.

On 12/20/16 11:04 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 22:24:51 -0800, ZZyXX
wrote:


what part of 12,000 gun homicides a year sounds like self-protection to you?

If you are going to preach, at least get your numbers right
12,000 is bull****

I'm just using the numbers burfordTjustice provided



The FBI says there were 8,124 gun murders in 2014, the last year with
data. That is down from 8,454 in 2013.

However the CDC says there were 10,945 firearm homicides in 2015

http://www.romans322.com/daily-death...statistics.php says that in
2016, there were 11,226 gun homicides as of 22 Dec

Stop listening to Rachel Madcow for your information and look at the
FBI UCR.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/expanded-homicide-data/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_w eapon_2010-2014.xls


try https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm

BTW during the 2013 and 2014 years we added 42 million new guns to
private ownership (again the FBI)

On 12/21/16 7:39 PM, wrote:
I don't mind people saying we have too many murders but they don't
need to lie about it. They should also point out how many are gang
related.

Why? Personally they should point out how many are done with "legal" guns

On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 12:22:10 -0800, ZZyXX
wrote:

The FBI says there were 8,124 gun murders in 2014, the last year with
data. That is down from 8,454 in 2013.

However the CDC says there were 10,945 firearm homicides in 2015

http://www.romans322.com/daily-death...statistics.php says that in
2016, there were 11,226 gun homicides as of 22 Dec

I think I will believe a web site from "FBI.GOV" not Romans.com

Who knows where they get that number and what it includes.

On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 12:23:44 -0800, ZZyXX
wrote:

On 12/21/16 7:39 PM, wrote:
I don't mind people saying we have too many murders but they don't
need to lie about it. They should also point out how many are gang
related.

Why? Personally they should point out how many are done with "legal" guns

That is going to be a pretty low number. Gangs kill most of the
murdered people and few of their guns are legally purchased because
they are generally ineligible to buy a gun (age, criminal record, out
of state etc)

On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 08:07:10 -0500, FromTheRafters
wrote:

I'm surprised that they don't lump heroin overdoses in as "shooting
deaths".

Hey. Don't give them any ideas.

On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 08:18:52 -0500, FromTheRafters
wrote:

What some don't get is killing a person is legal and authorized by
law.

If you are talking about defense of self or others it is not legal per
se, but it is a legal defense in a court of law. If it were truly
legal, they couldn't arrest you for it. Even the police can be tried in
a court of law.

Muggles once said a similar thing about resisting arrest. It is not
legal to do so, but if you do do so, there are legal defenses which can
be successfully applied if the circumstances are right.

Use of deadly force is written into laws, justified homicide also.
Authorized for police and civilians. I'm talking about a legal killin'
under the law.
--
you never meet a horse that needs stealing, but you meet a man that needs killin'

On 12/22/16 1:55 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Dec 2016 12:22:10 -0800, ZZyXX
wrote:

The FBI says there were 8,124 gun murders in 2014, the last year with
data. That is down from 8,454 in 2013.

However the CDC says there were 10,945 firearm homicides in 2015

http://www.romans322.com/daily-death...statistics.php says that in
2016, there were 11,226 gun homicides as of 22 Dec

I think I will believe a web site from "FBI.GOV" not Romans.com

Who knows where they get that number and what it includes.

fine, I'll go with the CDC...in any event I've yet to see buford explain
how murders equate with self-defense