We have a small half bath that is carpeted. The lavatory sink is mounted on
a pedestal.

The carpeting in the room goes up to the edge of the toilet and the
pedestal.

I have to replace the sink and pedestal. (Something got dropped into the
sink and cracked it.)

Since we're doing the sink, we've been thinking about taking out the carpet
and replacing it with ceramic tile. (It's unlikely that we could get a
pedestal that wouldn't require a carpet modification to install.

Here's the silly question:

Does the tile get installed first, and then the pedestal and sink get
installed on top of the tile, or does the sink and pedestal get installed
first and the tile brought up to the edge of the pedestal?

The same question applies for the toilet. Do I need to pull the toilet and
install the tile, or tile right to the edge of the toilet?

I've looked in our other bathrooms, but those have linoleum in the wet
areas, so I can't tell whether the linoleum goes under the toilet or just up
to the edge of it.

Thanks.

Bill L

Bill Leska wrote:

Does the tile get installed first, and then the pedestal and sink get
installed on top of the tile


Yup. Then you can change the toilet/sink again some day.

Paul Furman wrote:

Bill Leska wrote:

Does the tile get installed first, and then the pedestal and sink get
installed on top of the tile

Yup. Then you can change the toilet/sink again some day.

Agreed. Rip it all out to the bare walls.
Keep in mind that you may need to add another layer of
flooring (ply/cement board as example) in order to have enough floor
rigidity so that the new tile doesn't break up in 6 mos.

Do some research on floor tiling.

Jim

Thanks for the advice. I shouldn't have to add anything to the floor, since
the slab is under the carpet.

But if I pull the toilet and tile up to the flange, will the toilet still
mount on the flange, or do I need to somehow pull the flange out and build
it up, too?

One other thing: How does one handle the edge of the carpeting where it
comes into the room? I imagine I would install a carpet tack strip across
the doorway, but do I need to do anything to the carpet so that it doesn't
start unravelling?

Thanks again.

BL

"Speedy Jim" wrote in message ...
Paul Furman wrote:

Bill Leska wrote:

Does the tile get installed first, and then the pedestal and sink get
installed on top of the tile

Yup. Then you can change the toilet/sink again some day.

Agreed. Rip it all out to the bare walls.
Keep in mind that you may need to add another layer of
flooring (ply/cement board as example) in order to have enough floor
rigidity so that the new tile doesn't break up in 6 mos.

Do some research on floor tiling.

Jim

Bill Leska wrote:

Thanks for the advice. I shouldn't have to add anything to the floor, since
the slab is under the carpet.

But if I pull the toilet and tile up to the flange, will the toilet still
mount on the flange, or do I need to somehow pull the flange out and build
it up, too?

SNIP

Since you'll only be adding the thickness of a tile,
you can leave the flange where it is and double up the
wax ring or use a "flange extender" (like a plastic shim).
Use enough wax or whatever so that the wax ring will
compress about 1/2" to 3/4" when the bowl is set.

The bowl may not sit evenly on the tiles. If it rocks,
shim it (I like thin rubber gasket material) or set in
grout/plaster or caulk. There are as many opinions on
this as there are Usenet users...
Do a GOOGLE Advanced search.

Jim

Home Depot has a really good book titled Home Improvement 1-2-3 that covers
everything, including toilet replacement and ceramic floor tiling. They
also have specific 1-2-3 books for specific tasks - i.e. plumbing or floors.
They also have some very knowledgable associates that can give you some good
advice.

We are right in the midst of doing exactly what you are talking about. But
our task just got a lot worse when we pulled up the toilet and found that
the old metal flange was rusted away, and some of the old subfloor and
underlayment that was used when the house was built was water damaged.
We're having to cut out part of that flooring and get down to the sewer pipe
so that we can also replace that. But when we're done we'll be very glad
that we went to the trouble. If we'd have cheated and just tiled up to the
toilet, we never would have known that the floor and flange were in such bad
shape.

So, follow what the experts tell you. It may end up being a little more
work, but it can save some real problems later down the road.

Regarding bringing the tile to the carpet - we were advised by multiple
source to get a "Schluter" bar - part of it goes under the tile with the
thinset, and then the tiles butts up against a upward piece. This goes
right up agains the carpet. We're told that we shouldn't need anything
else. Haven't got that far yet ourselves, but that's what we're planning to
do.



"Speedy Jim" wrote in message ...
Paul Furman wrote:

Bill Leska wrote:

Does the tile get installed first, and then the pedestal and sink get
installed on top of the tile

Yup. Then you can change the toilet/sink again some day.

Agreed. Rip it all out to the bare walls.
Keep in mind that you may need to add another layer of
flooring (ply/cement board as example) in order to have enough floor
rigidity so that the new tile doesn't break up in 6 mos.

Do some research on floor tiling.

Jim

We had our bathroom tiled about 5 years ago by a trusted, recommended
professional who'd been tiling since the 1970s. Sink and toilet were
removed, then went back down on top of the tile.

Makes sense to do it this way, really. You'll always have a one-piece
floor if ever you change out your sink or toilet again in the future --
no cuts to have to worry about fitting a new sink or toilet to exactly.
Plus, you don't have to screw with having to cut arcs and crap in the
tile.

AJS

In article t,
"Bill Leska" wrote:

We have a small half bath that is carpeted. The lavatory sink is mounted on
a pedestal.

The carpeting in the room goes up to the edge of the toilet and the
pedestal.

I have to replace the sink and pedestal. (Something got dropped into the
sink and cracked it.)

Since we're doing the sink, we've been thinking about taking out the carpet
and replacing it with ceramic tile. (It's unlikely that we could get a
pedestal that wouldn't require a carpet modification to install.

Here's the silly question:

Does the tile get installed first, and then the pedestal and sink get
installed on top of the tile, or does the sink and pedestal get installed
first and the tile brought up to the edge of the pedestal?

The same question applies for the toilet. Do I need to pull the toilet and
install the tile, or tile right to the edge of the toilet?

I've looked in our other bathrooms, but those have linoleum in the wet
areas, so I can't tell whether the linoleum goes under the toilet or just up
to the edge of it.

Thanks.

Bill L

Tke up the baseboards as well, then re-install after tiling.
"Bill Leska" wrote in message
k.net...
We have a small half bath that is carpeted. The lavatory sink is mounted
on
a pedestal.

The carpeting in the room goes up to the edge of the toilet and the
pedestal.

I have to replace the sink and pedestal. (Something got dropped into the
sink and cracked it.)

Since we're doing the sink, we've been thinking about taking out the
carpet
and replacing it with ceramic tile. (It's unlikely that we could get a
pedestal that wouldn't require a carpet modification to install.

Here's the silly question:

Does the tile get installed first, and then the pedestal and sink get
installed on top of the tile, or does the sink and pedestal get installed
first and the tile brought up to the edge of the pedestal?

The same question applies for the toilet. Do I need to pull the toilet and
install the tile, or tile right to the edge of the toilet?

I've looked in our other bathrooms, but those have linoleum in the wet
areas, so I can't tell whether the linoleum goes under the toilet or just
up
to the edge of it.

Thanks.

Bill L

"Steven Bliss" wrote in message
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: Tke up the baseboards as well, then re-install after tiling.

I used the tile as the baseboard....

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Enjoy your Holidays!

Rick

Thanks for asking such a silly question. I am about to do the same thing in
a small bathroom and had exactly the same question! So now I know the
answer.

"Bill Leska" wrote in message
k.net...
We have a small half bath that is carpeted. The lavatory sink is mounted
on
a pedestal.

The carpeting in the room goes up to the edge of the toilet and the
pedestal.

I have to replace the sink and pedestal. (Something got dropped into the
sink and cracked it.)

Since we're doing the sink, we've been thinking about taking out the
carpet
and replacing it with ceramic tile. (It's unlikely that we could get a
pedestal that wouldn't require a carpet modification to install.

Here's the silly question:

Does the tile get installed first, and then the pedestal and sink get
installed on top of the tile, or does the sink and pedestal get installed
first and the tile brought up to the edge of the pedestal?

The same question applies for the toilet. Do I need to pull the toilet and
install the tile, or tile right to the edge of the toilet?

I've looked in our other bathrooms, but those have linoleum in the wet
areas, so I can't tell whether the linoleum goes under the toilet or just
up
to the edge of it.

Thanks.

Bill L