OK everyone!
I haven't looked into UFFI in more than 20 years now.....friends of ours are
looking at a house that used UFFI as the insulation in 1978........anyone
have any uptodate statistics/info/web sources that they would be willing to
share?
What does everyone think nowadays? Buy or beware?
thanks very much everyone in advance
Chris




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On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:09:25 -0400, "Steve & Chris Clark"
wrote:

OK everyone!
I haven't looked into UFFI in more than 20 years now.....friends of ours are
looking at a house that used UFFI as the insulation in 1978........anyone
have any uptodate statistics/info/web sources that they would be willing to
share?
What does everyone think nowadays? Buy or beware?
thanks very much everyone in advance
Chris




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Brick house? Nice and dry?

On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:09:25 -0400, "Steve & Chris Clark"
wrote:

OK everyone!
I haven't looked into UFFI in more than 20 years now.....friends of ours are
looking at a house that used UFFI as the insulation in 1978........anyone
have any uptodate statistics/info/web sources that they would be willing to
share?
What does everyone think nowadays? Buy or beware?
thanks very much everyone in advance
Chris

Brick house? Nice and dry?
Go for it.
Frame house and or damp? Stay away.
UFFI was approoved for dry brick buildings, and installed in anything.
Problems in the questionable installs gave it a bad name.

Another situation where our government got involved without checking
its facts properly.



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On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 20:06:46 -0400, "Jimmy Galvin"
wrote:

Since this product was banned around 1980 the off gassing in now over. The
stuff also breaks down so there could just be a pile of dust at the bottom
of the wall cavities. At the very least it will have a diminished insulation
value. A good inspection is in order.
"Steve & Chris Clark" wrote in message
...
OK everyone!
I haven't looked into UFFI in more than 20 years now.....friends of ours
are
looking at a house that used UFFI as the insulation in 1978........anyone
have any uptodate statistics/info/web sources that they would be willing
to
share?
What does everyone think nowadays? Buy or beware?
thanks very much everyone in advance
Chris


Properly installed i n dry cavities it did not outgass excessively or
break down. It should never have been installed in frame buildings -
was great in brick.


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clare @ snyder.on .ca wrote in message
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On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:09:25 -0400, "Steve & Chris Clark"
wrote:

OK everyone!
I haven't looked into UFFI in more than 20 years
now.....friends of ours are
looking at a house that used UFFI as the insulation in
1978........anyone
have any uptodate statistics/info/web sources that they
would be willing to
share?
What does everyone think nowadays? Buy or beware?
thanks very much everyone in advance
Chris

Brick house? Nice and dry?
Go for it.
Frame house and or damp? Stay away.
UFFI was approoved for dry brick buildings, and installed
in anything.
Problems in the questionable installs gave it a bad name.

Another situation where our government got involved
without checking
its facts properly.



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I thought your earlier post "Brick house? Nice and dry?"
was going to point out an oxymoron. (Relative to the cavity
behind the outer brick wythe.)

The operative words are likely "Nice and dry," regardless of
the exterior finish, unless you are quoting a truism in
favor of "dry" and against "damp."

You certainly are correct, per the government's
all-too-recent "recall" of its long standing ban on UFFI.
(Without so much as an "oops.") The stuff does turn to
dust. But it requires external force or vibration to cause
disintergration. Reasonably well applied (rather rare with
the all-too-common gypsy installers), the stuff held
together until you disturbed its environment.

Jim
Jim

Ray,

please stop posting comments that use profanity and are intended to
insult people. This post is also another example where your posting
makes very little sense. Please try to write comments that are more
comprehendable to the alt.building.construction audience.

Owen



Ray wrote in message . ..
Channel 13 yesterday.. Journey of Man..
Survival, and common sense..
Using animal skins, and air.
Good enough to make it thru Artic Winters for 10,000 years

I don't think you could make it long enough to repeat:

clare @ snyder.on .ca wrote:

Brick house? Nice and dry?
Go for it.
Frame house and or damp? Stay away.
UFFI was approoved for dry brick buildings, and installed in anything.
Problems in the questionable installs gave it a bad name.

Another situation where our government got involved without checking
its facts properly.


********** Please try again **********
-- Stupidity doesn't come naturally --
-- You have to work hard to perfect it --

(Owen White) wrote:

Ray,

please stop posting comments that use profanity and are intended to
insult people. This post is also another example where your posting
makes very little sense. Please try to write comments that are more
comprehendable to the alt.building.construction audience.

Please make clearer your objections..
Is this profanity, insulting, or makes little sense.
Her post merely made little sense to me.

Ray wrote in message . ..
Channel 13 yesterday.. Journey of Man..
Survival, and common sense..
Using animal skins, and air.
Good enough to make it thru Artic Winters for 10,000 years

Just means that still air is one of the best insulators known to man..
And that most "insulators" are a way to benefit from it..
But that they don't work very well when wet.

I don't think you could make it long enough to repeat:

clare @ snyder.on .ca wrote:

Brick house? Nice and dry?
Why brick and not wood?
Brick skin over wood frame OK?
What is the damned stuff that it's so finicky?
Go for it.
Frame house and or damp? Stay away.
UFFI was approoved for dry brick buildings, and installed in anything.
Is this all you've got to say?
Problems in the questionable installs gave it a bad name.
Sounds like it deserves the bad name..
What do you think?

Another situation where our government got involved without checking
its facts properly.
Ranting, politicizing, or you've got some issues. Which.??

********** Please try again **********
-- Stupidity doesn't come naturally --
-- You have to work hard to perfect it --

Another situation where our government got involved without checking
its facts properly.

Please explain?

Ray,

Your subject line uses profanity and is intended to insult. Your sig
about stupidity is intended to insult. Your contrary attitude in your
post is intended to insult. Your post does not make sense in that
someone using this newsgroups as an archive would not be able to read
your post and extract information from it.

Your choice to behave this way is passive aggresive. A simple test for
passive agressive behavior is when someone is using agressive behavior
(like insulting people) and then they use a sentiment like: "um, who,
me? Did I do anything?". That is the passive part. This is what you're
doing when you state "Please make clearer your objections". What
you're doing is choosing to avoid the fact that you are intentionally
insulting people. Its not lost on most readers even if you'd like to
pretend that isnt so. Using profanity or insulting sigs isn't lost on
anyone.


Please take responsibility for the fact that you are acting
inappropriately and stop.


Owen

Ray wrote in message . ..
(Owen White) wrote:

Ray,

please stop posting comments that use profanity and are intended to
insult people. This post is also another example where your posting
makes very little sense. Please try to write comments that are more
comprehendable to the alt.building.construction audience.

Please make clearer your objections..
Is this profanity, insulting, or makes little sense.
Her post merely made little sense to me.

Ray wrote in message . ..
Channel 13 yesterday.. Journey of Man..
Survival, and common sense..
Using animal skins, and air.
Good enough to make it thru Artic Winters for 10,000 years

Just means that still air is one of the best insulators known to man..
And that most "insulators" are a way to benefit from it..
But that they don't work very well when wet.

I don't think you could make it long enough to repeat:

clare @ snyder.on .ca wrote:

Brick house? Nice and dry?
Why brick and not wood?
Brick skin over wood frame OK?
What is the damned stuff that it's so finicky?
Go for it.
Frame house and or damp? Stay away.
UFFI was approoved for dry brick buildings, and installed in anything.
Is this all you've got to say?
Problems in the questionable installs gave it a bad name.
Sounds like it deserves the bad name..
What do you think?

Another situation where our government got involved without checking
its facts properly.
Ranting, politicizing, or you've got some issues. Which.??

********** Please try again **********
-- Stupidity doesn't come naturally --
-- You have to work hard to perfect it --

On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:43:12 GMT, Ray wrote:

(Owen White) wrote:

Ray,

please stop posting comments that use profanity and are intended to
insult people. This post is also another example where your posting
makes very little sense. Please try to write comments that are more
comprehendable to the alt.building.construction audience.

Please make clearer your objections..
Is this profanity, insulting, or makes little sense.
Her post merely made little sense to me.


Your response would be different if you thought you were dealing with
a man?

Because you are.
Ray wrote in message . ..
Channel 13 yesterday.. Journey of Man..
Survival, and common sense..
Using animal skins, and air.
Good enough to make it thru Artic Winters for 10,000 years

Just means that still air is one of the best insulators known to man..
And that most "insulators" are a way to benefit from it..
But that they don't work very well when wet.

I don't think you could make it long enough to repeat:

clare @ snyder.on .ca wrote:

Brick house? Nice and dry?
Why brick and not wood?
Brick skin over wood frame OK?
What is the damned stuff that it's so finicky?
Go for it.
Frame house and or damp? Stay away.
UFFI was approoved for dry brick buildings, and installed in anything.
Is this all you've got to say?
Problems in the questionable installs gave it a bad name.
Sounds like it deserves the bad name..
What do you think?

I've explained that.

Another situation where our government got involved without checking
its facts properly.
Ranting, politicizing, or you've got some issues. Which.??
Neither. Just that I've had some experience with the stuff, and iff
properly installed in the right kind of structure it is just fine.

By the way, you got issues with those of the "feminine persuasion"?
Many names fit both genders - and mine just happens to be the short
for Clarence. Ya wouldn't hang that name on a woman.

Have they "outlawed" MDF, plywood, carpet, aspenite, and anything else
that has a formaldehyde base??? Even some paints outgas the stuff.

********** Please try again **********
-- Stupidity doesn't come naturally --
-- You have to work hard to perfect it --

clare @ snyder.on .ca wrote:

Her post merely made little sense to me.


Your response would be different if you thought you were dealing with
a man?

Because you are.
No it would not.. The "Man" below includes WoMan.
Although the "Journey" was through the Y chromosome..
Ray wrote in message . ..
Channel 13 yesterday.. Journey of Man..
Survival, and common sense..
Using animal skins, and air.
Good enough to make it thru Artic Winters for 10,000 years

Just means that still air is one of the best insulators known to man..
And that most "insulators" are a way to benefit from it..
But that they don't work very well when wet.

I don't think you could make it long enough to repeat:

BTW, Neither would I ..
clare @ snyder.on .ca wrote:

Brick house? Nice and dry?
Why brick and not wood?
Brick skin over wood frame OK?
What is the damned stuff that it's so finicky?
Go for it.
Frame house and or damp? Stay away.
UFFI was approoved for dry brick buildings, and installed in anything.
Is this all you've got to say?
Problems in the questionable installs gave it a bad name.
Sounds like it deserves the bad name..
What do you think?

I've explained that.
Why would I ask if you'd done it adequately?
I still don't know.


Another situation where our government got involved without checking
its facts properly.
Ranting, politicizing, or you've got some issues. Which.??
Neither. Just that I've had some experience with the stuff, and iff
properly installed in the right kind of structure it is just fine.

And that's enough for you to dis the government of the whole USofA?

By the way, you got issues with those of the "feminine persuasion"?
Many names fit both genders - and mine just happens to be the short
for Clarence. Ya wouldn't hang that name on a woman.

Clarence doesn't make you any dumber...

********** Please try again **********

(Owen White) wrote:

Ray,

please stop posting comments that use profanity and are intended to
insult people. This post is also another example where your posting
makes very little sense. Please try to write comments that are more
comprehendable to the alt.building.construction audience.

Owen,

1. The message AND your replies are cross posted to:
alt.building.construction,alt.energy.homepower,alt .home.repair

So far.. the alt.building.construction audience.
Includes JD#1,2,3, and Matt, some other blowhards.

Which audience are you referring to?
The ones (under pseudonyms) posting nonsense questions?
Or the ones responding in excrutiating opnionated detail?

clare @ snyder.on .ca wrote:
Thanks..
The on site mixing was the REAL culprit, I'd say..

If so, I'd suggest people take the "Go for it",
with a large dose of skepticism.
Bull **** was the RIGHT description..

********** Please try again **********
Please don't..

On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 19:13:36 GMT, Ray wrote:


Sounds like it deserves the bad name..
What do you think?

I've explained that.
Why would I ask if you'd done it adequately?
I still don't know.

You appear to be thicker than a 12 foot plank, so I'll stop banging my
head against the wall.

Another situation where our government got involved without checking
its facts properly.
Ranting, politicizing, or you've got some issues. Which.??
Neither. Just that I've had some experience with the stuff, and iff
properly installed in the right kind of structure it is just fine.

And that's enough for you to dis the government of the whole USofA?

I was dis ing the Canadian Government who was just as stupid as yours,
for once.

By the way, you got issues with those of the "feminine persuasion"?
Many names fit both genders - and mine just happens to be the short
for Clarence. Ya wouldn't hang that name on a woman.

Clarence doesn't make you any dumber...

Or you any smarter.

********** Please try again **********

clare @ snyder.on .ca wrote in message
...
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 19:13:36 GMT, Ray wrote:


Sounds like it deserves the bad name..
What do you think?

I've explained that.
Why would I ask if you'd done it adequately?
I still don't know.

You appear to be thicker than a 12 foot plank, so I'll stop banging my
head against the wall.

Another situation where our government got involved without
checking
its facts properly.
Ranting, politicizing, or you've got some issues. Which.??
Neither. Just that I've had some experience with the stuff, and iff
properly installed in the right kind of structure it is just fine.

And that's enough for you to dis the government of the whole USofA?

I was dis ing the Canadian Government who was just as stupid as yours,
for once.

If you consider our government so stupid, maybe you would prefer the country
on the southern border of Canada to be, say, Somalia? or maybe Columbia? How
about Uzbekistan? or China, or on and on we could go.

JTMcC.


By the way, you got issues with those of the "feminine persuasion"?
Many names fit both genders - and mine just happens to be the short
for Clarence. Ya wouldn't hang that name on a woman.

Clarence doesn't make you any dumber...

Or you any smarter.

********** Please try again **********

"John T. McCracken" wrote:
By the way, you got issues with those of the "feminine persuasion"?
Many names fit both genders - and mine just happens to be the short
for Clarence. Ya wouldn't hang that name on a woman.

Clarence doesn't make you any dumber...

Or you any smarter.

********** Please try again **********

Damn you John..
He, she, it is going to keep on trying..

One would think by this time that off-gassing
would be neglibile or even non-exisitent .
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:09:25 -0400, "Steve & Chris Clark"
wrote:

OK everyone!
I haven't looked into UFFI in more than 20 years now.....friends of ours are
looking at a house that used UFFI as the insulation in 1978........anyone
have any uptodate statistics/info/web sources that they would be willing to
share?
What does everyone think nowadays? Buy or beware?
thanks very much everyone in advance
Chris




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