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lotr1978 wrote:
Hello I have read the group under a search for slab plumbing problems and found basically what I already knew. I would like to solicit some addition advice from other unfortunates and/or experts. I closed on a 2 year old house on July 15th, plumbinh problem was immediate with a clogged downstairs toilet. This escalated in the following manner: when doing wash, toilet fills with bubbles, when doing wash, toilet gurgles, when doing wash toilet fills with bubbles and tub fills with crap from drain (like sewage). All three are downstairs and share a wall, meaning the back of the washing machine sits against the wall that has the tub and toilet on the other side. I call the plumber, he snakes the clean out, pressure blows the crap out (this didnt fix the problem BTW). The plumber tells me he was here twice in the last year and told the previous owner he has serious plumbing problems. I know their is significant disclosure issues here and I have already seen an attorney (but reallythe legal system is a joke- he said it would cost me 10k to take this to court if I am lucky, the seller is a licensed real estate broker in the state AND is preparing to take the bar exam). The plumber told me that he has previously diagnosed this problem as a problem with the way the fall of the plumbing was set, basically the rear clean out has water dripping out of it which should never happen. I understand, if this plumber is correct, that they will have to cut the floor, trench the slab, redo the plumbing, then redo all the interior. The state plumbing inspector comes next week and another plumbing contractoris coming monday to give a more firm diagnosis. I have several questions: 1) Given what I have briefly described (sewage coming in through drains, laking rear clean out) is there ANY hope that this is like a beanie baby stuck in the front yard pipe that wasnt blown out by the snaking????? 2) Assuming the plumbing is completely incorrect, what sort of costs am I looking at here 3) Assuming the costs are what I think they are (15-20k) and that I dont have it, cant use the toilets and owe 100k plus on the house, I have seriously considered bankruptcy figuring I will NEVER be able to sell a house with a slab that has been busted? We are young, first home, and not to sound too melodramatic but basically my familyis totaly crushed by this. We purchased a 2 year old home to avoid this, 3 days ago we were in Home Depot shopping for paint, now we want nothing to do with the place. Any information would be most appreciated. thanks cms we had an under concrete slab house where the pipe broke( drain pipe..0 the insurance company paid $4,000 homeowners insurance, and i had to come up with $600..... that was to fix the drain.. it was though that a broken pipe hanger let the pipe fall down... the insurance comp. told me that they dont pay for the soil going down and the pipe breaking, but i did not have any pipe hangers..... they still paid for the digging at $115 per foot under the slab to find out if it was the broken pipe hanger or not...... that might be your problem, broken drain pipe and the drain is blocked by mud that is being sucked into the drain and the crap and other stuff is going out the tub.. one way to find out is to hire a video camera plumbing guy(for $200 he came and put the end of the snake down the drain-with the camera head on it and then went inside the house with what looked like a metal detector-it was a receiver for the head of the camera and he followed the pipes layout and knew where the diggers had to go under the house... he wrote up an estimate and later the real plumber came out and did the work.................. |
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You truly need to pursue the license of that seller/real estate broker. In
fact, you have a moral obligation to make sure he/she doesn't do this again(imo). You should sue for all legal costs as well. What about your insurance? Maybe they will go after the seller. Disclosure is a big deal and a broker cannot just ignore it. This could be justification for losing a license. MH "lotr1978" wrote in message m... Hello I have read the group under a search for slab plumbing problems and found basically what I already knew. I would like to solicit some addition advice from other unfortunates and/or experts. I closed on a 2 year old house on July 15th, plumbinh problem was immediate with a clogged downstairs toilet. This escalated in the following manner: when doing wash, toilet fills with bubbles, when doing wash, toilet gurgles, when doing wash toilet fills with bubbles and tub fills with crap from drain (like sewage). All three are downstairs and share a wall, meaning the back of the washing machine sits against the wall that has the tub and toilet on the other side. I call the plumber, he snakes the clean out, pressure blows the crap out (this didnt fix the problem BTW). The plumber tells me he was here twice in the last year and told the previous owner he has serious plumbing problems. I know their is significant disclosure issues here and I have already seen an attorney (but reallythe legal system is a joke- he said it would cost me 10k to take this to court if I am lucky, the seller is a licensed real estate broker in the state AND is preparing to take the bar exam). The plumber told me that he has previously diagnosed this problem as a problem with the way the fall of the plumbing was set, basically the rear clean out has water dripping out of it which should never happen. I understand, if this plumber is correct, that they will have to cut the floor, trench the slab, redo the plumbing, then redo all the interior. The state plumbing inspector comes next week and another plumbing contractoris coming monday to give a more firm diagnosis. I have several questions: 1) Given what I have briefly described (sewage coming in through drains, laking rear clean out) is there ANY hope that this is like a beanie baby stuck in the front yard pipe that wasnt blown out by the snaking????? 2) Assuming the plumbing is completely incorrect, what sort of costs am I looking at here 3) Assuming the costs are what I think they are (15-20k) and that I dont have it, cant use the toilets and owe 100k plus on the house, I have seriously considered bankruptcy figuring I will NEVER be able to sell a house with a slab that has been busted? We are young, first home, and not to sound too melodramatic but basically my familyis totaly crushed by this. We purchased a 2 year old home to avoid this, 3 days ago we were in Home Depot shopping for paint, now we want nothing to do with the place. Any information would be most appreciated. thanks cms |
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You truly need to pursue the license of that seller/real estate broker. In
fact, you have a moral obligation to make sure he/she doesn't do this again(imo). You should sue for all legal costs as well. What about your insurance? Maybe they will go after the seller. Disclosure is a big deal and a broker cannot just ignore it. This could be justification for losing a license. MH "lotr1978" wrote in message m... Hello I have read the group under a search for slab plumbing problems and found basically what I already knew. I would like to solicit some addition advice from other unfortunates and/or experts. I closed on a 2 year old house on July 15th, plumbinh problem was immediate with a clogged downstairs toilet. This escalated in the following manner: when doing wash, toilet fills with bubbles, when doing wash, toilet gurgles, when doing wash toilet fills with bubbles and tub fills with crap from drain (like sewage). All three are downstairs and share a wall, meaning the back of the washing machine sits against the wall that has the tub and toilet on the other side. I call the plumber, he snakes the clean out, pressure blows the crap out (this didnt fix the problem BTW). The plumber tells me he was here twice in the last year and told the previous owner he has serious plumbing problems. I know their is significant disclosure issues here and I have already seen an attorney (but reallythe legal system is a joke- he said it would cost me 10k to take this to court if I am lucky, the seller is a licensed real estate broker in the state AND is preparing to take the bar exam). The plumber told me that he has previously diagnosed this problem as a problem with the way the fall of the plumbing was set, basically the rear clean out has water dripping out of it which should never happen. I understand, if this plumber is correct, that they will have to cut the floor, trench the slab, redo the plumbing, then redo all the interior. The state plumbing inspector comes next week and another plumbing contractoris coming monday to give a more firm diagnosis. I have several questions: 1) Given what I have briefly described (sewage coming in through drains, laking rear clean out) is there ANY hope that this is like a beanie baby stuck in the front yard pipe that wasnt blown out by the snaking????? 2) Assuming the plumbing is completely incorrect, what sort of costs am I looking at here 3) Assuming the costs are what I think they are (15-20k) and that I dont have it, cant use the toilets and owe 100k plus on the house, I have seriously considered bankruptcy figuring I will NEVER be able to sell a house with a slab that has been busted? We are young, first home, and not to sound too melodramatic but basically my familyis totaly crushed by this. We purchased a 2 year old home to avoid this, 3 days ago we were in Home Depot shopping for paint, now we want nothing to do with the place. Any information would be most appreciated. thanks cms |
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Bad luck for the seller that you happened to use the same plumber. I would
go straight down to the attorney with the plumber, get an affidavit of his experience of the property and its former owner, and then inform the seller of your intention to recover from him./her. With that sort of evidence on your side, he/she would be on weak ground, and would be well advised to avoid any kind of legal or regulatory involvment. Good luck, and think positive. Mat "lotr1978" wrote in message m... Hello I have read the group under a search for slab plumbing problems and found basically what I already knew. I would like to solicit some addition advice from other unfortunates and/or experts. I closed on a 2 year old house on July 15th, plumbinh problem was immediate with a clogged downstairs toilet. This escalated in the following manner: when doing wash, toilet fills with bubbles, when doing wash, toilet gurgles, when doing wash toilet fills with bubbles and tub fills with crap from drain (like sewage). All three are downstairs and share a wall, meaning the back of the washing machine sits against the wall that has the tub and toilet on the other side. I call the plumber, he snakes the clean out, pressure blows the crap out (this didnt fix the problem BTW). The plumber tells me he was here twice in the last year and told the previous owner he has serious plumbing problems. I know their is significant disclosure issues here and I have already seen an attorney (but reallythe legal system is a joke- he said it would cost me 10k to take this to court if I am lucky, the seller is a licensed real estate broker in the state AND is preparing to take the bar exam). The plumber told me that he has previously diagnosed this problem as a problem with the way the fall of the plumbing was set, basically the rear clean out has water dripping out of it which should never happen. I understand, if this plumber is correct, that they will have to cut the floor, trench the slab, redo the plumbing, then redo all the interior. The state plumbing inspector comes next week and another plumbing contractoris coming monday to give a more firm diagnosis. I have several questions: 1) Given what I have briefly described (sewage coming in through drains, laking rear clean out) is there ANY hope that this is like a beanie baby stuck in the front yard pipe that wasnt blown out by the snaking????? 2) Assuming the plumbing is completely incorrect, what sort of costs am I looking at here 3) Assuming the costs are what I think they are (15-20k) and that I dont have it, cant use the toilets and owe 100k plus on the house, I have seriously considered bankruptcy figuring I will NEVER be able to sell a house with a slab that has been busted? We are young, first home, and not to sound too melodramatic but basically my familyis totaly crushed by this. We purchased a 2 year old home to avoid this, 3 days ago we were in Home Depot shopping for paint, now we want nothing to do with the place. Any information would be most appreciated. thanks cms |
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Bad luck for the seller that you happened to use the same plumber. I would
go straight down to the attorney with the plumber, get an affidavit of his experience of the property and its former owner, and then inform the seller of your intention to recover from him./her. With that sort of evidence on your side, he/she would be on weak ground, and would be well advised to avoid any kind of legal or regulatory involvment. Good luck, and think positive. Mat "lotr1978" wrote in message m... Hello I have read the group under a search for slab plumbing problems and found basically what I already knew. I would like to solicit some addition advice from other unfortunates and/or experts. I closed on a 2 year old house on July 15th, plumbinh problem was immediate with a clogged downstairs toilet. This escalated in the following manner: when doing wash, toilet fills with bubbles, when doing wash, toilet gurgles, when doing wash toilet fills with bubbles and tub fills with crap from drain (like sewage). All three are downstairs and share a wall, meaning the back of the washing machine sits against the wall that has the tub and toilet on the other side. I call the plumber, he snakes the clean out, pressure blows the crap out (this didnt fix the problem BTW). The plumber tells me he was here twice in the last year and told the previous owner he has serious plumbing problems. I know their is significant disclosure issues here and I have already seen an attorney (but reallythe legal system is a joke- he said it would cost me 10k to take this to court if I am lucky, the seller is a licensed real estate broker in the state AND is preparing to take the bar exam). The plumber told me that he has previously diagnosed this problem as a problem with the way the fall of the plumbing was set, basically the rear clean out has water dripping out of it which should never happen. I understand, if this plumber is correct, that they will have to cut the floor, trench the slab, redo the plumbing, then redo all the interior. The state plumbing inspector comes next week and another plumbing contractoris coming monday to give a more firm diagnosis. I have several questions: 1) Given what I have briefly described (sewage coming in through drains, laking rear clean out) is there ANY hope that this is like a beanie baby stuck in the front yard pipe that wasnt blown out by the snaking????? 2) Assuming the plumbing is completely incorrect, what sort of costs am I looking at here 3) Assuming the costs are what I think they are (15-20k) and that I dont have it, cant use the toilets and owe 100k plus on the house, I have seriously considered bankruptcy figuring I will NEVER be able to sell a house with a slab that has been busted? We are young, first home, and not to sound too melodramatic but basically my familyis totaly crushed by this. We purchased a 2 year old home to avoid this, 3 days ago we were in Home Depot shopping for paint, now we want nothing to do with the place. Any information would be most appreciated. thanks cms |
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so what is this a realtor problem
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so what is this a realtor problem
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Speedy Jim wrote in message ...
lotr1978 wrote: Hello I have read the group under a search for slab plumbing problems and found basically what I already knew. I would like to solicit some addition advice from other unfortunates and/or experts. I closed on a 2 year old house on July 15th, plumbinh problem was immediate with a clogged downstairs toilet. This escalated in the following manner: when doing wash, toilet fills with bubbles, when doing wash, toilet gurgles, when doing wash toilet fills with bubbles and tub fills with crap from drain (like sewage). All three are downstairs and share a wall, meaning the back of the washing machine sits against the wall that has the tub and toilet on the other side. I call the plumber, he snakes the clean out, pressure blows the crap out (this didnt fix the problem BTW). The plumber tells me he was here twice in the last year and told the previous owner he has serious plumbing problems. I know their is significant disclosure issues here and I have already seen an attorney (but reallythe legal system is a joke- he said it would cost me 10k to take this to court if I am lucky, the seller is a licensed real estate broker in the state AND is preparing to take the bar exam). The plumber told me that he has previously diagnosed this problem as a problem with the way the fall of the plumbing was set, basically the rear clean out has water dripping out of it which should never happen. I understand, if this plumber is correct, that they will have to cut the floor, trench the slab, redo the plumbing, then redo all the interior. The state plumbing inspector comes next week and another plumbing contractoris coming monday to give a more firm diagnosis. I have several questions: 1) Given what I have briefly described (sewage coming in through drains, laking rear clean out) is there ANY hope that this is like a beanie baby stuck in the front yard pipe that wasnt blown out by the snaking????? 2) Assuming the plumbing is completely incorrect, what sort of costs am I looking at here 3) Assuming the costs are what I think they are (15-20k) and that I dont have it, cant use the toilets and owe 100k plus on the house, I have seriously considered bankruptcy figuring I will NEVER be able to sell a house with a slab that has been busted? We are young, first home, and not to sound too melodramatic but basically my familyis totaly crushed by this. We purchased a 2 year old home to avoid this, 3 days ago we were in Home Depot shopping for paint, now we want nothing to do with the place. Any information would be most appreciated. thanks cms Yep. Sounds pretty bad. You could have the sewer videotaped; it won't show elevation problems, but will prove/disprove blockages. I would be *very* interested to hear the state inspector's story about how the house passed original inspection! If the sewer does have to be redone, is there any chance that the line could be run *outside*, around the slab? Hope you can get some resolution to this one... Jim Jim My father suggested that approach as well. The first plumber said the line may have a v to it inside the house, therefore, given my state's apparent lack of plumbing regulations (there is 1 state plumber for the entire state and the city I live in has NO building codes at all) I dont see why we couldnt draw the line out the back of the house, put in an elbow and drop a line around the side of the house to hook up with the main line to the street? Any ideas? cms |
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Speedy Jim wrote in message ...
lotr1978 wrote: Hello I have read the group under a search for slab plumbing problems and found basically what I already knew. I would like to solicit some addition advice from other unfortunates and/or experts. I closed on a 2 year old house on July 15th, plumbinh problem was immediate with a clogged downstairs toilet. This escalated in the following manner: when doing wash, toilet fills with bubbles, when doing wash, toilet gurgles, when doing wash toilet fills with bubbles and tub fills with crap from drain (like sewage). All three are downstairs and share a wall, meaning the back of the washing machine sits against the wall that has the tub and toilet on the other side. I call the plumber, he snakes the clean out, pressure blows the crap out (this didnt fix the problem BTW). The plumber tells me he was here twice in the last year and told the previous owner he has serious plumbing problems. I know their is significant disclosure issues here and I have already seen an attorney (but reallythe legal system is a joke- he said it would cost me 10k to take this to court if I am lucky, the seller is a licensed real estate broker in the state AND is preparing to take the bar exam). The plumber told me that he has previously diagnosed this problem as a problem with the way the fall of the plumbing was set, basically the rear clean out has water dripping out of it which should never happen. I understand, if this plumber is correct, that they will have to cut the floor, trench the slab, redo the plumbing, then redo all the interior. The state plumbing inspector comes next week and another plumbing contractoris coming monday to give a more firm diagnosis. I have several questions: 1) Given what I have briefly described (sewage coming in through drains, laking rear clean out) is there ANY hope that this is like a beanie baby stuck in the front yard pipe that wasnt blown out by the snaking????? 2) Assuming the plumbing is completely incorrect, what sort of costs am I looking at here 3) Assuming the costs are what I think they are (15-20k) and that I dont have it, cant use the toilets and owe 100k plus on the house, I have seriously considered bankruptcy figuring I will NEVER be able to sell a house with a slab that has been busted? We are young, first home, and not to sound too melodramatic but basically my familyis totaly crushed by this. We purchased a 2 year old home to avoid this, 3 days ago we were in Home Depot shopping for paint, now we want nothing to do with the place. Any information would be most appreciated. thanks cms Yep. Sounds pretty bad. You could have the sewer videotaped; it won't show elevation problems, but will prove/disprove blockages. I would be *very* interested to hear the state inspector's story about how the house passed original inspection! If the sewer does have to be redone, is there any chance that the line could be run *outside*, around the slab? Hope you can get some resolution to this one... Jim Jim My father suggested that approach as well. The first plumber said the line may have a v to it inside the house, therefore, given my state's apparent lack of plumbing regulations (there is 1 state plumber for the entire state and the city I live in has NO building codes at all) I dont see why we couldnt draw the line out the back of the house, put in an elbow and drop a line around the side of the house to hook up with the main line to the street? Any ideas? cms |
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"MSH" mnd@jaacom wrote in message ...
You truly need to pursue the license of that seller/real estate broker. In fact, you have a moral obligation to make sure he/she doesn't do this again(imo). You should sue for all legal costs as well. What about your insurance? Maybe they will go after the seller. Disclosure is a big deal and a broker cannot just ignore it. This could be justification for losing a license. MH Believe me I am exhausting all routes. See the seller sort of just started his own real estate company and I didnt realize he was really the listing agent. I am pursuing his license and plan to have the plumber who did the work provide statements as well as two diagnoses of the problem (one from the state inspector and the other from the only plumbing contractor in town it seems). Its totally crazy that this guy got away with this. The lawyer told me 10-12k in court costs is expected with no guarantee of a win, and if I do win, no guarantee that the attorney's fees will be awarded. Even more disconcerting, the licensed plumber told me he actually testified for someone recently where the seller admitted in front of the plumber that he knew the plumbing was incorrect and didnt disclose it. The judge threw it out of court. This was disheartening to say the least. cms |
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"MSH" mnd@jaacom wrote in message ...
You truly need to pursue the license of that seller/real estate broker. In fact, you have a moral obligation to make sure he/she doesn't do this again(imo). You should sue for all legal costs as well. What about your insurance? Maybe they will go after the seller. Disclosure is a big deal and a broker cannot just ignore it. This could be justification for losing a license. MH Believe me I am exhausting all routes. See the seller sort of just started his own real estate company and I didnt realize he was really the listing agent. I am pursuing his license and plan to have the plumber who did the work provide statements as well as two diagnoses of the problem (one from the state inspector and the other from the only plumbing contractor in town it seems). Its totally crazy that this guy got away with this. The lawyer told me 10-12k in court costs is expected with no guarantee of a win, and if I do win, no guarantee that the attorney's fees will be awarded. Even more disconcerting, the licensed plumber told me he actually testified for someone recently where the seller admitted in front of the plumber that he knew the plumbing was incorrect and didnt disclose it. The judge threw it out of court. This was disheartening to say the least. cms |
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lotr1978 wrote:
Speedy Jim wrote in message ... SNIP details If the sewer does have to be redone, is there any chance that the line could be run *outside*, around the slab? Hope you can get some resolution to this one... Jim Jim My father suggested that approach as well. The first plumber said the line may have a v to it inside the house, therefore, given my state's apparent lack of plumbing regulations (there is 1 state plumber for the entire state and the city I live in has NO building codes at all) I dont see why we couldnt draw the line out the back of the house, put in an elbow and drop a line around the side of the house to hook up with the main line to the street? Yes. If the layout of the rooms makes this an easier route, check into it. The deciding factor may be the amount of "drop" between the back of the house and the sewer in the street. Include a cleanout fitting outside the house in the layout. I agree with your plumber; a VEE or "belly" in the line will cause backups with no apparent blockage. Jim |
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lotr1978 wrote:
Speedy Jim wrote in message ... SNIP details If the sewer does have to be redone, is there any chance that the line could be run *outside*, around the slab? Hope you can get some resolution to this one... Jim Jim My father suggested that approach as well. The first plumber said the line may have a v to it inside the house, therefore, given my state's apparent lack of plumbing regulations (there is 1 state plumber for the entire state and the city I live in has NO building codes at all) I dont see why we couldnt draw the line out the back of the house, put in an elbow and drop a line around the side of the house to hook up with the main line to the street? Yes. If the layout of the rooms makes this an easier route, check into it. The deciding factor may be the amount of "drop" between the back of the house and the sewer in the street. Include a cleanout fitting outside the house in the layout. I agree with your plumber; a VEE or "belly" in the line will cause backups with no apparent blockage. Jim |
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YOU shoud have closed later im drunk then
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YOU shoud have closed later im drunk then
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Hello everyone
Thanks for all the advice given. I had one plumber come today and clean the pipes and use the camera. He found what he called an "ignorant angle" in the pipe and what looked to be a broken fitting. There was a ton of gunk and stuff there and it was pretty clear that water was getting held up in the pipe. He could tell there was some sort of lip and what looked like concrete but it could have just as easily been mud or gunk. Get this, this break was about one foot inside the front wall of the house, damn. Bad luck/ good luck. Could have been worse. He estimates a 2k repair which is less than the 3k retainer for the lawyer. BUT, I am not convinced the pipes are set correctly and he wasnt either. The rear clean out is directly behind the sink, I turned the sink on and the water came out the rear clean out, meaning it didnt even get up to the clog yet. I have no clue how off the pipes are but the plumber said I should still get the water out of the house even if the fall of the line is not proper. If it is off, it isn't by much. Not the best plumbing job, that's for sure. The plumber didnt really even consider redoing all the plumbing an option. It just seemed too monumental in his opinion. He indicated this break in the fitting and corresponding buildup WAS the primary problem with the backups. Several people have mentioned pumps to help the water and waste along. I forgot to ask him about this but would such a pump be easy and cheap enough to install as to totally correct this backflow problem?? Thanks again Chris |
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Hello everyone
Thanks for all the advice given. I had one plumber come today and clean the pipes and use the camera. He found what he called an "ignorant angle" in the pipe and what looked to be a broken fitting. There was a ton of gunk and stuff there and it was pretty clear that water was getting held up in the pipe. He could tell there was some sort of lip and what looked like concrete but it could have just as easily been mud or gunk. Get this, this break was about one foot inside the front wall of the house, damn. Bad luck/ good luck. Could have been worse. He estimates a 2k repair which is less than the 3k retainer for the lawyer. BUT, I am not convinced the pipes are set correctly and he wasnt either. The rear clean out is directly behind the sink, I turned the sink on and the water came out the rear clean out, meaning it didnt even get up to the clog yet. I have no clue how off the pipes are but the plumber said I should still get the water out of the house even if the fall of the line is not proper. If it is off, it isn't by much. Not the best plumbing job, that's for sure. The plumber didnt really even consider redoing all the plumbing an option. It just seemed too monumental in his opinion. He indicated this break in the fitting and corresponding buildup WAS the primary problem with the backups. Several people have mentioned pumps to help the water and waste along. I forgot to ask him about this but would such a pump be easy and cheap enough to install as to totally correct this backflow problem?? Thanks again Chris |
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