On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 05:09:32 -0000 (UTC), HerHusband
wrote:

I often get both my CPU and RAM maxxed out by X Windows
and my browsers. 98%-100% is not unusual.

Times change I guess. I can't get mine over 50% even pushing all four cores
to their max processing video.

Anthony Watson
www.watsondiy.com
www.mountainsoftware.com
Let me guess - you have a dedicated video card with heaps of ram and
a powerful processor on it. Lots of video cards today are running
very powerful processors - some almost as powerfull as the main CPU.

On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 05:40:15 -0000 (UTC), HerHusband
wrote:

Old is an Athlon X2 2.3 Ghz, new is a Phenom X4 1.8 Ghz.

I'm not familiar with AMD processors, so I made some wild guesses on your
processors to check the benchmark speeds at https://www.cpubenchmark.net

The Athlon X2 BE-2400 benchmarked at 1225.

The Phenom X4 9150e benchmarked at 2134.

So, in theory the X4 should be twice as fast. Of course, real world usage
involves RAM, hard drive access, and a variety of other components that can
affect actual speeds.

Keep in mind, "twice as fast" is relative, they're both old slow
processors.

My i7-4790K benchmarks at 11,188 and that's a two year old CPU. Definitely
not bleeding edge stuff.

For a bit of reference, I upgraded from an i5-2500K CPU that benchmarked at
6444, so the new CPU benchmarked almost twice as fast. Of course, the real
world difference was almost imperceptable, even with 16GB of RAM and two
SSD drives.

I use Opera browser, and it has gotten to the point it takes 30 seconds
to a minute or more to load. I open with 3 tabs, weather.com,
startpage.com, and ebay.

The new processor "might" make a slight difference, but I'm betting there
are other bottlenecks slowing down your system. Given your description, I
would lean towards insufficient RAM.

Then again, there may be nothing wrong with your system. You're just
running modern software on an ancient computer.

Anthony Watson
www.watsondiy.com
www.mountainsoftware.com
When something happens in 1/10th the blink of an eye, increasing
speed by a factor of 10 has virtually no perceptible effect. You have
to be running some very powerful programming, running extremely
complex calculations, to see any difference past a certain point
(which I believe has already been excededm on most home computer
systems. The resat of the sysyem already cannot keep up with the
processor in most cases.

On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 17:00:28 -0000 (UTC), HerHusband
wrote:

You're up late guy.

Yeah, I spend way too much time on the computer.

We're usually in bed by 9pm, but we were up late watching movies. Our usual
Friday date night.

I saw your name and was reminded of my late friend who's last name
was "Husband". He passed away last year and he was in his late 40's.

Wow, so sorry. That's young. Life seems so short anymore. My dad died from
cancer at 51, my step-dad drowned when he was 39, and my new step-dad died
from a stroke at 50.

I'll turn 53 in November, so I feel like I'm living on borrowed time.

They say the average life expectancy is around 85, but I watch the
obituaries in my news feeds and it seems most people are dieing in their
50's and 60's. I don't feel old, but it's kind of scary how little time I
might have left.

There is a difference between most obituaries being for people in
their 50s and 60s, and most people dying in their 50s and 60s

Those who DON'T diie in their 50s and 60s tend to live well into
their 80s and 90s

Being "Her Husband", the best thing I've ever done...

Anthony Watson
www.watsondiy.com
www.mountainsoftware.com

Terry Coombs wrote:
Yeah , I'm still dickin' around with my desktop . I've decided it's
time to upgrade to a quad core in this comp , Asus M2A-VM mobo ,
socket AM2 currently running an Athlon X2 2.3 Ghz processor .
I have determined (from the Asus support website) that this mobo will
support a Phenom 9150 quad processor which is socket AM2+ , but I'll
have to update the BIOS . The question is , do I update before I
install the new processor or after ? Either way , the suggested
method is to flash it from a USB stick . I've found the suggested
BIOS on the Asus website , and can download it at any time .
Actually , I might do the server comp first , same mobo but a slower
Athlon X2 processor . If I'm gonna brick one I'd rather it was that
one ...

I've just ordered a new hdd , figure that before I start making any
serious changes in this box I'll do a clean install and see how it acts .
I'd wipe the one that's in there but there are programs I can't replace ...
and I can always hook it up with my little adapter to access those if needed
.. Probably do a minimal install , I don't use a lot of those programs often
and if I need one , as above I can hook up the old drive . It's amazing ,
new WD Caviar blue 320Gb drives are under 20 bucks now . Not so long ago I
was paying over $50 a pop .
--
Snag

On Saturday, August 20, 2016 at 8:28:42 PM UTC-4, Terry Coombs wrote:
Terry Coombs wrote:
Yeah , I'm still dickin' around with my desktop . I've decided it's
time to upgrade to a quad core in this comp , Asus M2A-VM mobo ,
socket AM2 currently running an Athlon X2 2.3 Ghz processor .
I have determined (from the Asus support website) that this mobo will
support a Phenom 9150 quad processor which is socket AM2+ , but I'll
have to update the BIOS . The question is , do I update before I
install the new processor or after ? Either way , the suggested
method is to flash it from a USB stick . I've found the suggested
BIOS on the Asus website , and can download it at any time .
Actually , I might do the server comp first , same mobo but a slower
Athlon X2 processor . If I'm gonna brick one I'd rather it was that
one ...

I've just ordered a new hdd , figure that before I start making any
serious changes in this box I'll do a clean install and see how it acts .
I'd wipe the one that's in there but there are programs I can't replace ...
and I can always hook it up with my little adapter to access those if needed
. Probably do a minimal install , I don't use a lot of those programs often
and if I need one , as above I can hook up the old drive . It's amazing ,
new WD Caviar blue 320Gb drives are under 20 bucks now . Not so long ago I
was paying over $50 a pop .
--
Snag

If all you need is 320GB, for not too much more you can get a
solid state drive. I did that when my 1.5TB HD died. I'm only
using 75MB, so I replaced it with a 250GB SSD. System boots in
about 20 secs now. I paid about $70, that was 8 months ago.

Let me guess - you have a dedicated video card with heaps of ram and
a powerful processor on it. Lots of video cards today are running
very powerful processors - some almost as powerfull as the main CPU.

I have a fanless Asus GTX750 with 2GB RAM:

https://www.asus.com/us/Graphics-Cards/GTX750DCSL2GD5/

Since my computer is on 24/7/365 and I sit next to it all day, I'm more
concerned with low power usage and quiet operation than all out
performance. Even though it does not have a fan it usually stays nice and
cool (I do not play games).

Anthony Watson
www.watsondiy.com
www.mountainsoftware.com

When something happens in 1/10th the blink of an eye, increasing
speed by a factor of 10 has virtually no perceptible effect. You have
to be running some very powerful programming, running extremely
complex calculations, to see any difference past a certain point
(which I believe has already been excededm on most home computer
systems. The resat of the sysyem already cannot keep up with the
processor in most cases.

Yep, most users won't see much of a difference for web surfing or text
editing.

I do a lot of video editing, so that's where I usually notice improvements
the most. My last upgrade dropped my processing times from 6-8 hours down
to an hour or two. That's a nice improvement, but all other operations are
basically the same.

Anthony Watson
www.watsondiy.com
www.mountainsoftware.com

There is a difference between most obituaries being for people in
their 50s and 60s, and most people dying in their 50s and 60s

Those who DON'T diie in their 50s and 60s tend to live well into
their 80s and 90s

People who are dying in their 80's or 90's should still show up in the
obituaries when they die. I see a few from time to time, but most obit's
seem to be people in their 50's and 60's.

Obviously, it's far from a reliable indicator, just an interesting
observation I've noticed lately.

Anthony Watson
www.watsondiy.com
www.mountainsoftware.com

On Saturday, August 20, 2016 at 7:44:15 PM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, August 20, 2016 at 8:28:42 PM UTC-4, Terry Coombs wrote:
Terry Coombs wrote:
Yeah , I'm still dickin' around with my desktop . I've decided it's
time to upgrade to a quad core in this comp , Asus M2A-VM mobo ,
socket AM2 currently running an Athlon X2 2.3 Ghz processor .
I have determined (from the Asus support website) that this mobo will
support a Phenom 9150 quad processor which is socket AM2+ , but I'll
have to update the BIOS . The question is , do I update before I
install the new processor or after ? Either way , the suggested
method is to flash it from a USB stick . I've found the suggested
BIOS on the Asus website , and can download it at any time .
Actually , I might do the server comp first , same mobo but a slower
Athlon X2 processor . If I'm gonna brick one I'd rather it was that
one ...

I've just ordered a new hdd , figure that before I start making any
serious changes in this box I'll do a clean install and see how it acts .
I'd wipe the one that's in there but there are programs I can't replace ...
and I can always hook it up with my little adapter to access those if needed
. Probably do a minimal install , I don't use a lot of those programs often
and if I need one , as above I can hook up the old drive . It's amazing ,
new WD Caviar blue 320Gb drives are under 20 bucks now . Not so long ago I
was paying over $50 a pop .
--
Snag

If all you need is 320GB, for not too much more you can get a
solid state drive. I did that when my 1.5TB HD died. I'm only
using 75MB, so I replaced it with a 250GB SSD. System boots in
about 20 secs now. I paid about $70, that was 8 months ago.

Where did you get an SSD for under $70. I bought a Samsung SSD a few years ago when I was still at home for my Dell Precision T3400 beast. It's a quad processor machine I bought refurbished and with the solid state drive and a minimal load of apps, it would be ready to go from turning on the power strip and pushing the power button in 16 seconds. It was the first SSD drive I ever dealt with in a desktop computer and I was really impressed with the performance. The one in my little Chromebook is a tiny 16GB SSD. Back in 2013 I bought a 64GB IDE SSD for an older laptop and it speeded it up quite a bit. I paid $113.00 for that one from Amazon. Then in 2014 I bought the Samsung 250GB SSD for $138.00 from Amazon which is the one I installed in The Beast. The latest version of that drive is now $90.00. The prices are really dropping on internal drives but I'm wondering that with the proliferation of free "Cloud" storage, are you going need a large internal drive anymore? My little Chromebook has a tiny 16GB internal drive and everything is saved to Google Drive so if my Chromebook gronks, I can access my stuff from any Internet connected computer. That's progress for ya. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Driven Monster

Uncle Monster wrote:
The prices are
really dropping on internal drives but I'm wondering that with the
proliferation of free "Cloud" storage, are you going need a large
internal drive anymore? My little Chromebook has a tiny 16GB internal
drive and everything is saved to Google Drive so if my Chromebook
gronks, I can access my stuff from any Internet connected computer.
That's progress for ya. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Driven Monster

I have serious reservations about storing any of my stuff on somebody
else's computer that's Zod-knows-where and who-knows-who can access it . Not
that I have anything to hide , but it ain't nobody's business but mine for
instance how much I budget for what .
--
Snag

On Saturday, August 20, 2016 at 11:16:06 PM UTC-5, HerHusband wrote:
Let me guess - you have a dedicated video card with heaps of ram and
a powerful processor on it. Lots of video cards today are running
very powerful processors - some almost as powerfull as the main CPU.

I have a fanless Asus GTX750 with 2GB RAM:

https://www.asus.com/us/Graphics-Cards/GTX750DCSL2GD5/

Since my computer is on 24/7/365 and I sit next to it all day, I'm more
concerned with low power usage and quiet operation than all out
performance. Even though it does not have a fan it usually stays nice and
cool (I do not play games).

Anthony Watson


Hey AW, oh wow, I just remembered A&W is a root beer. Anyway, how often do you vacuum the dust out of your computers, especially the one that stays on 24/7? I recall servicing computers in the cleanest homes and offices and those machines were often full of dust elephants. Me and a lot of other geeks mod our machines with air filters to help keep dust critters from moving in but it's still amazing how much dust still gets in. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Dusty Monster

On Sunday, August 21, 2016 at 6:39:40 AM UTC-5, Terry Coombs wrote:
Uncle Monster wrote:
The prices are
really dropping on internal drives but I'm wondering that with the
proliferation of free "Cloud" storage, are you going need a large
internal drive anymore? My little Chromebook has a tiny 16GB internal
drive and everything is saved to Google Drive so if my Chromebook
gronks, I can access my stuff from any Internet connected computer.
That's progress for ya. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Driven Monster

I have serious reservations about storing any of my stuff on somebody
else's computer that's Zod-knows-where and who-knows-who can access it . Not
that I have anything to hide , but it ain't nobody's business but mine for
instance how much I budget for what .
--
Snag

If you're really concerned, you can get a program that automagicly encrypts anything you put on your hard drive or send to a cloud storage account. I've considered it for any financial information but I'm income impaired so I have no gold to be stolen. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Cloud Monster

On Sunday, August 21, 2016 at 7:44:27 AM UTC-4, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Saturday, August 20, 2016 at 11:16:06 PM UTC-5, HerHusband wrote:
Let me guess - you have a dedicated video card with heaps of ram and
a powerful processor on it. Lots of video cards today are running
very powerful processors - some almost as powerfull as the main CPU.

I have a fanless Asus GTX750 with 2GB RAM:

https://www.asus.com/us/Graphics-Cards/GTX750DCSL2GD5/

Since my computer is on 24/7/365 and I sit next to it all day, I'm more
concerned with low power usage and quiet operation than all out
performance. Even though it does not have a fan it usually stays nice and
cool (I do not play games).

Anthony Watson


Hey AW, oh wow, I just remembered A&W is a root beer. Anyway, how often do you vacuum the dust out of your computers, especially the one that stays on 24/7? I recall servicing computers in the cleanest homes and offices and those machines were often full of dust elephants. Me and a lot of other geeks mod our machines with air filters to help keep dust critters from moving in but it's still amazing how much dust still gets in. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Dusty Monster

I generally only vacuum when I'm in there for a reason. Most recently
that was when my HD died after about 6 years. There was a reasonable
amount of dust, but nothing that looked potentially damaging enough.
But it's probably a good idea to blow them out every couple years,
or whatever interval seems right based on what you find.

On Sunday, August 21, 2016 at 7:04:41 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
On Sunday, August 21, 2016 at 7:44:27 AM UTC-4, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Saturday, August 20, 2016 at 11:16:06 PM UTC-5, HerHusband wrote:
Let me guess - you have a dedicated video card with heaps of ram and
a powerful processor on it. Lots of video cards today are running
very powerful processors - some almost as powerfull as the main CPU..

I have a fanless Asus GTX750 with 2GB RAM:

https://www.asus.com/us/Graphics-Cards/GTX750DCSL2GD5/

Since my computer is on 24/7/365 and I sit next to it all day, I'm more
concerned with low power usage and quiet operation than all out
performance. Even though it does not have a fan it usually stays nice and
cool (I do not play games).

Anthony Watson


Hey AW, oh wow, I just remembered A&W is a root beer. Anyway, how often do you vacuum the dust out of your computers, especially the one that stays on 24/7? I recall servicing computers in the cleanest homes and offices and those machines were often full of dust elephants. Me and a lot of other geeks mod our machines with air filters to help keep dust critters from moving in but it's still amazing how much dust still gets in. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Dusty Monster

I generally only vacuum when I'm in there for a reason. Most recently
that was when my HD died after about 6 years. There was a reasonable
amount of dust, but nothing that looked potentially damaging enough.
But it's probably a good idea to blow them out every couple years,
or whatever interval seems right based on what you find.

Well Mr.T, do you leave your desktop on 24/7? I can't remember if the cooling fans were still running or the power supply fan was still running when I put my desktop machines in "hibernate mode". I seem to recall the jet plane sound that often came from my machines would cease when I put them to sleep/standby mode. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Fan Monster

On Sunday, August 21, 2016 at 9:17:36 AM UTC-4, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Sunday, August 21, 2016 at 7:04:41 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
On Sunday, August 21, 2016 at 7:44:27 AM UTC-4, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Saturday, August 20, 2016 at 11:16:06 PM UTC-5, HerHusband wrote:
Let me guess - you have a dedicated video card with heaps of ram and
a powerful processor on it. Lots of video cards today are running
very powerful processors - some almost as powerfull as the main CPU.

I have a fanless Asus GTX750 with 2GB RAM:

https://www.asus.com/us/Graphics-Cards/GTX750DCSL2GD5/

Since my computer is on 24/7/365 and I sit next to it all day, I'm more
concerned with low power usage and quiet operation than all out
performance. Even though it does not have a fan it usually stays nice and
cool (I do not play games).

Anthony Watson


Hey AW, oh wow, I just remembered A&W is a root beer. Anyway, how often do you vacuum the dust out of your computers, especially the one that stays on 24/7? I recall servicing computers in the cleanest homes and offices and those machines were often full of dust elephants. Me and a lot of other geeks mod our machines with air filters to help keep dust critters from moving in but it's still amazing how much dust still gets in. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Dusty Monster

I generally only vacuum when I'm in there for a reason. Most recently
that was when my HD died after about 6 years. There was a reasonable
amount of dust, but nothing that looked potentially damaging enough.
But it's probably a good idea to blow them out every couple years,
or whatever interval seems right based on what you find.

Well Mr.T, do you leave your desktop on 24/7? I can't remember if the cooling fans were still running or the power supply fan was still running when I put my desktop machines in "hibernate mode". I seem to recall the jet plane sound that often came from my machines would cease when I put them to sleep/standby mode. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Fan Monster

I leave it on 24/7, but it's set to power down the display and hibernate after 10 mins. I think the fans stop then too, but have to check.

On Sunday, August 21, 2016 at 8:34:38 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
On Sunday, August 21, 2016 at 9:17:36 AM UTC-4, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Sunday, August 21, 2016 at 7:04:41 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
On Sunday, August 21, 2016 at 7:44:27 AM UTC-4, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Saturday, August 20, 2016 at 11:16:06 PM UTC-5, HerHusband wrote:
Let me guess - you have a dedicated video card with heaps of ram and
a powerful processor on it. Lots of video cards today are running
very powerful processors - some almost as powerfull as the main CPU.

I have a fanless Asus GTX750 with 2GB RAM:

https://www.asus.com/us/Graphics-Cards/GTX750DCSL2GD5/

Since my computer is on 24/7/365 and I sit next to it all day, I'm more
concerned with low power usage and quiet operation than all out
performance. Even though it does not have a fan it usually stays nice and
cool (I do not play games).

Anthony Watson


Hey AW, oh wow, I just remembered A&W is a root beer. Anyway, how often do you vacuum the dust out of your computers, especially the one that stays on 24/7? I recall servicing computers in the cleanest homes and offices and those machines were often full of dust elephants. Me and a lot of other geeks mod our machines with air filters to help keep dust critters from moving in but it's still amazing how much dust still gets in. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Dusty Monster

I generally only vacuum when I'm in there for a reason. Most recently
that was when my HD died after about 6 years. There was a reasonable
amount of dust, but nothing that looked potentially damaging enough.
But it's probably a good idea to blow them out every couple years,
or whatever interval seems right based on what you find.

Well Mr.T, do you leave your desktop on 24/7? I can't remember if the cooling fans were still running or the power supply fan was still running when I put my desktop machines in "hibernate mode". I seem to recall the jet plane sound that often came from my machines would cease when I put them to sleep/standby mode. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Fan Monster

I leave it on 24/7, but it's set to power down the display and hibernate after 10 mins. I think the fans stop then too, but have to check.

I wish I had all my toys, err, perhaps some of my toys here with me because it's frustrating to wish I could do more computer stuff. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Frustrated Monster

On Sunday, August 21, 2016 at 9:42:18 AM UTC-4, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Sunday, August 21, 2016 at 8:34:38 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
On Sunday, August 21, 2016 at 9:17:36 AM UTC-4, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Sunday, August 21, 2016 at 7:04:41 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
On Sunday, August 21, 2016 at 7:44:27 AM UTC-4, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Saturday, August 20, 2016 at 11:16:06 PM UTC-5, HerHusband wrote:
Let me guess - you have a dedicated video card with heaps of ram and
a powerful processor on it. Lots of video cards today are running
very powerful processors - some almost as powerfull as the main CPU.

I have a fanless Asus GTX750 with 2GB RAM:

https://www.asus.com/us/Graphics-Cards/GTX750DCSL2GD5/

Since my computer is on 24/7/365 and I sit next to it all day, I'm more
concerned with low power usage and quiet operation than all out
performance. Even though it does not have a fan it usually stays nice and
cool (I do not play games).

Anthony Watson


Hey AW, oh wow, I just remembered A&W is a root beer. Anyway, how often do you vacuum the dust out of your computers, especially the one that stays on 24/7? I recall servicing computers in the cleanest homes and offices and those machines were often full of dust elephants. Me and a lot of other geeks mod our machines with air filters to help keep dust critters from moving in but it's still amazing how much dust still gets in. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Dusty Monster

I generally only vacuum when I'm in there for a reason. Most recently
that was when my HD died after about 6 years. There was a reasonable
amount of dust, but nothing that looked potentially damaging enough..
But it's probably a good idea to blow them out every couple years,
or whatever interval seems right based on what you find.

Well Mr.T, do you leave your desktop on 24/7? I can't remember if the cooling fans were still running or the power supply fan was still running when I put my desktop machines in "hibernate mode". I seem to recall the jet plane sound that often came from my machines would cease when I put them to sleep/standby mode. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Fan Monster

I leave it on 24/7, but it's set to power down the display and hibernate after 10 mins. I think the fans stop then too, but have to check.

I wish I had all my toys, err, perhaps some of my toys here with me because it's frustrating to wish I could do more computer stuff. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Frustrated Monster

I hear you. But it's still gotta be 100X better than a couple decades
ago when all you could do was watch soap operas all day.

Hey AW, oh wow, I just remembered A&W is a root beer.

I don't drink much root beer, but A&W is my favorite.

how often do you vacuum the dust out of your computers,
especially the one that stays on 24/7?

Basically only when I'm replacing components, maybe every 2-3 years or so.
Even then it's more of a "take a deep breath and blow" kind of cleaning.

It might just be where it's located in a cabinet under my desk, but there
is usually very little dust build up.

I recall servicing computers in the cleanest homes and offices and
those machines were often full of dust elephants.

The computer at my old job used to get so full of dust it would start
having operational issues. Overheating, card connectors getting flakey,
etc.

Anthony Watson
www.watsondiy.com
www.mountainsoftware.com

I seem to recall the jet plane sound that often came from my machines
would cease when I put them to sleep/standby mode.

I have large 120mm fans that run very slowly, so there is almost no sound
from the computer even when it's running normally. The only time I hear
anything is when I push it really hard and the fans speed up.

Sometimes I can hear my data hard drive spinning up, but my other two
drives are SSD's and are completely silent also.

Anthony Watson
www.watsondiy.com
www.mountainsoftware.com

I have serious reservations about storing any of my stuff on
somebody else's computer that's Zod-knows-where and who-knows-who
can access it.

You can avoid most privacy issues by encrypting your data before you upload
it.

However, even with high speed broadband, backing up several hundred GB of
data is going to be extremely slow.

It can also be expensive. For the cost of one year of online backups, I can
buy an external hard drive with more capacity and faster backups.

If your internet access goes down, you won't be able to backup your data.
Worse yet, you may not be able to recover a file when you need it.

If the backup company goes out of business, you'll probably lose access to
the data you've backed up.

Most online backups only backup selected folders or files. If your hard
drive fails you'll have to reinstall Windows, your applications, and the
backup program before you can restore your data. With a local backup, you
can simply restore the drive image to a new drive and be up and running
again.

Anthony Watson
www.watsondiy.com
www.mountainsoftware.com

| how often do you vacuum the dust out of your computers,
| especially the one that stays on 24/7?
|
| Basically only when I'm replacing components, maybe every 2-3 years or so.
| Even then it's more of a "take a deep breath and blow" kind of cleaning.

|

I've been buying the green pad air filters for
furnaces. It's a 20"x25" pad that comes with
a plastic grid. Using a piece of pad, with or
without a piece of grid, provides a way to
block dust getting in without impeding airflow.

On Sunday, August 21, 2016 at 10:17:15 AM UTC-4, HerHusband wrote:
I seem to recall the jet plane sound that often came from my machines
would cease when I put them to sleep/standby mode.

I have large 120mm fans that run very slowly, so there is almost no sound
from the computer even when it's running normally. The only time I hear
anything is when I push it really hard and the fans speed up.

Sometimes I can hear my data hard drive spinning up, but my other two
drives are SSD's and are completely silent also.

Anthony Watson
www.watsondiy.com
www.mountainsoftware.com

The SSD thing, I posted here months ago that when I changed from a HD
to SSD, I was surprised that there is still a faint kind of metallic
tinkling sound coming from the area of the CPU heat sink when the SSD
is doing heavy work. I can't explain it, but it's there. Somehow all
those electron running around manage to generate noise.

On 8/18/2016 2:04 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
Yeah , I'm still dickin' around with my desktop . I've decided it's time
to upgrade to a quad core in this comp , Asus M2A-VM mobo , socket AM2
currently running an Athlon X2 2.3 Ghz processor .
I have determined (from the Asus support website) that this mobo will
support a Phenom 9150 quad processor which is socket AM2+ , but I'll have to
update the BIOS . The question is , do I update before I install the new
processor or after ? Either way , the suggested method is to flash it from a
USB stick . I've found the suggested BIOS on the Asus website , and can
download it at any time .
Actually , I might do the server comp first , same mobo but a slower
Athlon X2 processor . If I'm gonna brick one I'd rather it was that one ...


Quad core, smod core--it's all the same ****.

Colonel Edmund J. Burke wrote:
On 8/18/2016 2:04 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
Yeah , I'm still dickin' around with my desktop . I've decided
it's time to upgrade to a quad core in this comp , Asus M2A-VM mobo
, socket AM2 currently running an Athlon X2 2.3 Ghz processor .
I have determined (from the Asus support website) that this mobo
will support a Phenom 9150 quad processor which is socket AM2+ , but
I'll have to update the BIOS . The question is , do I update before
I install the new processor or after ? Either way , the suggested
method is to flash it from a USB stick . I've found the suggested
BIOS on the Asus website , and can download it at any time .
Actually , I might do the server comp first , same mobo but a
slower Athlon X2 processor . If I'm gonna brick one I'd rather it
was that one ...

Quad core, smod core--it's all the same ****.


FOAD
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Snag

On Sunday, August 21, 2016 at 8:52:26 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
On Sunday, August 21, 2016 at 9:42:18 AM UTC-4, Uncle Monster wrote:

I wish I had all my toys, err, perhaps some of my toys here with me because it's frustrating to wish I could do more computer stuff. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Frustrated Monster

I hear you. But it's still gotta be 100X better than a couple decades
ago when all you could do was watch soap operas all day.

I have an HDMI port on my Chromebook and I put adhesive backed cable clips on the wall going from my 32" LED TV on the dresser to the wall beside my bed. In the clips I ran a 15 foot HDMI cable to connect the computer to the TV and a mini phone plug stereo cable to connect the headphone jack on the back of the TV to my wired headphones or my little Bluetooth transmitter.

I watch online TV shows and movies from not only Amazon Prime but other sources on the Internet. I listen to streaming talk radio stations from my computer or tablet. I can put on my Bluetooth headset when I go to the toilet to drop a load of Ready Mix and listen to talk radio from my Chromebook. If I must dispense a larger load of Ready Mix, I may take my tablet with me to the bathroom so I may surf The Web, watch a TV show or movie. In the past I took a newspaper or paperback book with me for my excursion to the porcelain throne. Technology marches on.

I fixed a laptop for another resident and smart phone for one of the CNA's. I've helped several of the people here connect to the center's WiFi. When the Internet stopped working after a storm in the area, I rolled to the administrator's office and told one of the gals how to get the Internet going again. I mentioned to the administrator that it would be a good idea to have a UPS to plug in the power supplies for the Internet modem, network gear and digital cable distribution equipment.

The remote administrated digital cable boxes are made by Cisco with dimensions of 4.5" by 3" and 1" thick plus the little units have both a coax and HDMI outputs. There's also a 3.5mm jack for an additional external IR detector on a 3 foot cable. The external IR detector is the size of a large pecan and has Velcro on the bottom so it can be stuck to the top or side of the TV for better operation of the remote.

As I type this, I'm listening to a local talk radio station's Internet stream. My other choice is to go to the dining room and play Pokeno with other residents. I think I'll play on the computer instead. Sometime I'll write about my own sub-network bridged to the center's WiFi. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Resident Monster

On Sunday, August 21, 2016 at 9:17:15 AM UTC-5, HerHusband wrote:
I seem to recall the jet plane sound that often came from my machines
would cease when I put them to sleep/standby mode.

I have large 120mm fans that run very slowly, so there is almost no sound
from the computer even when it's running normally. The only time I hear
anything is when I push it really hard and the fans speed up.

Sometimes I can hear my data hard drive spinning up, but my other two
drives are SSD's and are completely silent also.

Anthony Watson

SSD's are so cool! (pun intended) The price is really coming down on those things. I wonder when mechanical hard drives will go away like 8 track tapes? I installed a 250GB SSD as drive C in my beast along with a 1TB and 2TB enterprise class hard drives. I installed HGST/Hitachi Ultrastar 7200rpm enterprise class drives and the price on the 2TB was $85.00 in 2014, the dang thing is now fracking $52.00 with free shipping. When will they be given away with Happy Meals? o_O

[8~{} Uncle Drive Monster

On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 12:04:55 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
wrote:

SSD's are so cool! (pun intended) The price is really coming down on those things. I wonder when mechanical hard drives will go away like 8 track tapes? I installed a 250GB SSD as drive C in my beast along with a 1TB and 2TB enterprise class hard drives. I installed HGST/Hitachi Ultrastar 7200rpm enterprise class drives and the price on the 2TB was $85.00 in 2014, the dang thing is now fracking $52.00 with free shipping. When will they be given away with Happy Meals? o_O

[8~{} Uncle Drive Monster

I am waiting to see how long these things last. SSDs might wear out
faster than a hard drive if you are rewriting the data a lot like your
swap files. They do have a finite limit.

On Monday, August 22, 2016 at 12:36:27 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 12:04:55 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
wrote:

SSD's are so cool! (pun intended) The price is really coming down on those things. I wonder when mechanical hard drives will go away like 8 track tapes? I installed a 250GB SSD as drive C in my beast along with a 1TB and 2TB enterprise class hard drives. I installed HGST/Hitachi Ultrastar 7200rpm enterprise class drives and the price on the 2TB was $85.00 in 2014, the dang thing is now fracking $52.00 with free shipping. When will they be given away with Happy Meals? o_O

[8~{} Uncle Drive Monster

I am waiting to see how long these things last. SSDs might wear out
faster than a hard drive if you are rewriting the data a lot like your
swap files. They do have a finite limit.

I have 8 months of use on mine, mostly web browsing, email kind of activity,
plus at least half a dozen OS installs, it's still reporting 100% life left..
SanDisk has a utility that monitors it. I was a bit concerned about that
when I made the switch, but figured it probably has a life at least as
long as a typical drive. Figured the PC would be ready for replacement
before the SSD drive wears out. Each block can be erased 100K times I think
and the OS and drive work to level it out across the drive. Worst case
it's a graceful failure and you'll have plenty of warning that the
life is getting shorter.

The SSD thing, I posted here months ago that when I changed from a HD
to SSD, I was surprised that there is still a faint kind of metallic
tinkling sound coming from the area of the CPU heat sink when the SSD
is doing heavy work. I can't explain it, but it's there. Somehow all
those electron running around manage to generate noise.

I think I remember that discussion. I'm betting it's just thermal
expansion as the CPU heats up under load. All those metal fins expand as
they heat up and can make noise as they move through the brackets or
whatever that hold the fins together.

It's similar to the tinking sound that comes from electric baseboard
heaters when they heat up, except the CPU can heat up a lot quicker.

You could probably fix it by installing a different heat sink that has
better cooling.

Anthony Watson
www.watsondiy.com
www.mountainsoftware.com

I am waiting to see how long these things last. SSDs might wear out
faster than a hard drive if you are rewriting the data a lot like your
swap files. They do have a finite limit.

My C: boot drive is a Samsung EVO 840 250GB SSD drive. I have about 160GB
of data on that drive.

techreport.com tested this drive to see how long it would take to kill
them:

http://techreport.com/review/27909/t...nt-theyre-all-
dead

"Errors didn't strike the Samsung 840 Series until after 300TB of writes,
and it took over 700TB to induce the first failures."


I have owned the EVO 840 exactly two years now. According to
CrystalDiskInfo, I have put 19478 hours on it with 6978 GB total writes.
It's still showing 100% Good. That translates to roughly 3.5 TB per year
which means the drive should last me about 85 years if my usage stays the
same (longer than I'll be alive).


I also have a 1TB Samsung EVO 850 SSD drive that I use for video work. It's
only a year old, with 12210 hours on it and 28,859 GB total writes. It
still shows 100% Good also. Even though it's half as old, I obviously push
it a lot harder with video work. If I continue to write about 29 TB per
year to that drive, I should get another 7+ years from it before it starts
having errors.


I'm betting I will upgrade to newer drives for more capacity before I
actually wear them out.

Anthony Watson
www.watsondiy.com
www.mountainsoftware.com

On Monday, August 22, 2016 at 12:00:14 PM UTC-4, HerHusband wrote:
The SSD thing, I posted here months ago that when I changed from a HD
to SSD, I was surprised that there is still a faint kind of metallic
tinkling sound coming from the area of the CPU heat sink when the SSD
is doing heavy work. I can't explain it, but it's there. Somehow all
those electron running around manage to generate noise.

I think I remember that discussion. I'm betting it's just thermal
expansion as the CPU heats up under load. All those metal fins expand as
they heat up and can make noise as they move through the brackets or
whatever that hold the fins together.

It's similar to the tinking sound that comes from electric baseboard
heaters when they heat up, except the CPU can heat up a lot quicker.


Maybe, but the radiator thing only lasts for a few mins, while it's
changing temps, then it stops. This seems to continue.



You could probably fix it by installing a different heat sink that has
better cooling.

Anthony Watson
www.watsondiy.com
www.mountainsoftware.com

No reason to fix it, you woudln't even notice it unless you went looking
for it. And it only happens with heavy SSD activity, which is rare here.
It might happen with other heavy data movement, or CPU activity, but
the SSD activity is the only place I noticed it.

It's similar to the tinking sound that comes from electric baseboard
heaters when they heat up, except the CPU can heat up a lot quicker.

Maybe, but the radiator thing only lasts for a few mins, while it's
changing temps, then it stops. This seems to continue.

Yeah, if the tinking sound continues more than a couple of minutes or so,
it's probably not thermal expansion. Still possible, I guess, but doesn't
seem likely that expansion would continue over a long time frame.

No reason to fix it, you woudln't even notice it unless you went
looking for it. And it only happens with heavy SSD activity, which is
rare here. It might happen with other heavy data movement, or CPU
activity, but the SSD activity is the only place I noticed it.

I don't know if it would be related to your situation, but my CPU fan is
completely silent under normal loads. If I put the system under a heavy
load the fan speeds up, and starts making a vibrating noise. It either has
bad bearings or is out of balance. I keep meaning to swap out the fan, but
since it only happens under heavy loads I haven't been motivated enough to
change it out.

I suppose if your fan was severely out of balance under heavy loads, it
might be contacting the heat sink and making a tink, tink sound?

Anthony Watson
www.watsondiy.com
www.mountainsoftware.com

On Monday, August 22, 2016 at 11:33:37 AM UTC-5, HerHusband wrote:
I am waiting to see how long these things last. SSDs might wear out
faster than a hard drive if you are rewriting the data a lot like your
swap files. They do have a finite limit.

My C: boot drive is a Samsung EVO 840 250GB SSD drive. I have about 160GB
of data on that drive.

techreport.com tested this drive to see how long it would take to kill
them:

http://techreport.com/review/27909/t...nt-theyre-all-
dead

"Errors didn't strike the Samsung 840 Series until after 300TB of writes,
and it took over 700TB to induce the first failures."

I have owned the EVO 840 exactly two years now. According to
CrystalDiskInfo, I have put 19478 hours on it with 6978 GB total writes.
It's still showing 100% Good. That translates to roughly 3.5 TB per year
which means the drive should last me about 85 years if my usage stays the
same (longer than I'll be alive).

I also have a 1TB Samsung EVO 850 SSD drive that I use for video work. It's
only a year old, with 12210 hours on it and 28,859 GB total writes. It
still shows 100% Good also. Even though it's half as old, I obviously push
it a lot harder with video work. If I continue to write about 29 TB per
year to that drive, I should get another 7+ years from it before it starts
having errors.

I'm betting I will upgrade to newer drives for more capacity before I
actually wear them out.

Anthony Watson


I was lamenting the other day that my SSD data storage, my LED TV, LED desk lamp and LED flashlights would outlive me. o_O

[8~{} Uncle LED Monster

On Monday, August 22, 2016 at 11:12:34 PM UTC-5, HerHusband wrote:
It's similar to the tinking sound that comes from electric baseboard
heaters when they heat up, except the CPU can heat up a lot quicker.

Maybe, but the radiator thing only lasts for a few mins, while it's
changing temps, then it stops. This seems to continue.

Yeah, if the tinking sound continues more than a couple of minutes or so,
it's probably not thermal expansion. Still possible, I guess, but doesn't
seem likely that expansion would continue over a long time frame.

No reason to fix it, you woudln't even notice it unless you went
looking for it. And it only happens with heavy SSD activity, which is
rare here. It might happen with other heavy data movement, or CPU
activity, but the SSD activity is the only place I noticed it.

I don't know if it would be related to your situation, but my CPU fan is
completely silent under normal loads. If I put the system under a heavy
load the fan speeds up, and starts making a vibrating noise. It either has
bad bearings or is out of balance. I keep meaning to swap out the fan, but
since it only happens under heavy loads I haven't been motivated enough to
change it out.

I suppose if your fan was severely out of balance under heavy loads, it
might be contacting the heat sink and making a tink, tink sound?

Anthony Watson


The sound is more than likely coming from the little piezo speaker on the motherboard. My T3400 beast has a small speaker behind the front panel that will play audio at a good enough quality to listen to streaming talk radio. A lot of desktop machines I've owned will often emit clicks from the little piezo speaker during different operations performed by the computer. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Piezo Monster

On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 12:12:34 AM UTC-4, HerHusband wrote:
It's similar to the tinking sound that comes from electric baseboard
heaters when they heat up, except the CPU can heat up a lot quicker.

Maybe, but the radiator thing only lasts for a few mins, while it's
changing temps, then it stops. This seems to continue.

Yeah, if the tinking sound continues more than a couple of minutes or so,
it's probably not thermal expansion. Still possible, I guess, but doesn't
seem likely that expansion would continue over a long time frame.

No reason to fix it, you woudln't even notice it unless you went
looking for it. And it only happens with heavy SSD activity, which is
rare here. It might happen with other heavy data movement, or CPU
activity, but the SSD activity is the only place I noticed it.

I don't know if it would be related to your situation, but my CPU fan is
completely silent under normal loads. If I put the system under a heavy
load the fan speeds up, and starts making a vibrating noise. It either has
bad bearings or is out of balance. I keep meaning to swap out the fan, but
since it only happens under heavy loads I haven't been motivated enough to
change it out.

I suppose if your fan was severely out of balance under heavy loads, it
might be contacting the heat sink and making a tink, tink sound?

Anthony Watson
www.watsondiy.com
www.mountainsoftware.com

I tried stopping the fan with my finger, no change.

On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 7:34:32 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 12:12:34 AM UTC-4, HerHusband wrote:
It's similar to the tinking sound that comes from electric baseboard
heaters when they heat up, except the CPU can heat up a lot quicker.

Maybe, but the radiator thing only lasts for a few mins, while it's
changing temps, then it stops. This seems to continue.

Yeah, if the tinking sound continues more than a couple of minutes or so,
it's probably not thermal expansion. Still possible, I guess, but doesn't
seem likely that expansion would continue over a long time frame.

No reason to fix it, you woudln't even notice it unless you went
looking for it. And it only happens with heavy SSD activity, which is
rare here. It might happen with other heavy data movement, or CPU
activity, but the SSD activity is the only place I noticed it.

I don't know if it would be related to your situation, but my CPU fan is
completely silent under normal loads. If I put the system under a heavy
load the fan speeds up, and starts making a vibrating noise. It either has
bad bearings or is out of balance. I keep meaning to swap out the fan, but
since it only happens under heavy loads I haven't been motivated enough to
change it out.

I suppose if your fan was severely out of balance under heavy loads, it
might be contacting the heat sink and making a tink, tink sound?

Anthony Watson
www.watsondiy.com
www.mountainsoftware.com

I tried stopping the fan with my finger, no change.

Isn't this something you discussed here, before? Try ear plugs...or check all the other answers from those old responses!

On 19/08/16 05:04, Terry Coombs wrote:
Yeah , I'm still dickin' around with my desktop .

I am still using desktop PCs, also an AMD one.

I've decided it's time
to upgrade to a quad core in this comp , Asus M2A-VM mobo , socket AM2
currently running an Athlon X2 2.3 Ghz processor .
I have determined (from the Asus support website) that this mobo will
support a Phenom 9150 quad processor which is socket AM2+ , but I'll have to
update the BIOS . The question is , do I update before I install the new
processor or after ? Either way , the suggested method is to flash it from a
USB stick . I've found the suggested BIOS on the Asus website , and can
download it at any time .

Update the BIOS before installing the CPU.

Actually , I might do the server comp first , same mobo but a slower
Athlon X2 processor . If I'm gonna brick one I'd rather it was that one ...

For power-saving servers, how about motherboards with CPU bundled?

Example:

https://www.amazon.com/ASRock-Mini-D...s=asrock+n3700

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On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 7:34:32 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 12:12:34 AM UTC-4, HerHusband wrote:
It's similar to the tinking sound that comes from electric baseboard
heaters when they heat up, except the CPU can heat up a lot quicker.

Maybe, but the radiator thing only lasts for a few mins, while it's
changing temps, then it stops. This seems to continue.

Yeah, if the tinking sound continues more than a couple of minutes or so,
it's probably not thermal expansion. Still possible, I guess, but doesn't
seem likely that expansion would continue over a long time frame.

No reason to fix it, you woudln't even notice it unless you went
looking for it. And it only happens with heavy SSD activity, which is
rare here. It might happen with other heavy data movement, or CPU
activity, but the SSD activity is the only place I noticed it.

I don't know if it would be related to your situation, but my CPU fan is
completely silent under normal loads. If I put the system under a heavy
load the fan speeds up, and starts making a vibrating noise. It either has
bad bearings or is out of balance. I keep meaning to swap out the fan, but
since it only happens under heavy loads I haven't been motivated enough to
change it out.

I suppose if your fan was severely out of balance under heavy loads, it
might be contacting the heat sink and making a tink, tink sound?

Anthony Watson
www.watsondiy.com
www.mountainsoftware.com

I tried stopping the fan with my finger, no change.

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=...q1jw%5B1-25%5D

On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 9:27:36 AM UTC-4, bob_villa wrote:
On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 7:34:32 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 12:12:34 AM UTC-4, HerHusband wrote:
It's similar to the tinking sound that comes from electric baseboard
heaters when they heat up, except the CPU can heat up a lot quicker.

Maybe, but the radiator thing only lasts for a few mins, while it's
changing temps, then it stops. This seems to continue.

Yeah, if the tinking sound continues more than a couple of minutes or so,
it's probably not thermal expansion. Still possible, I guess, but doesn't
seem likely that expansion would continue over a long time frame.

No reason to fix it, you woudln't even notice it unless you went
looking for it. And it only happens with heavy SSD activity, which is
rare here. It might happen with other heavy data movement, or CPU
activity, but the SSD activity is the only place I noticed it.

I don't know if it would be related to your situation, but my CPU fan is
completely silent under normal loads. If I put the system under a heavy
load the fan speeds up, and starts making a vibrating noise. It either has
bad bearings or is out of balance. I keep meaning to swap out the fan, but
since it only happens under heavy loads I haven't been motivated enough to
change it out.

I suppose if your fan was severely out of balance under heavy loads, it
might be contacting the heat sink and making a tink, tink sound?

Anthony Watson
www.watsondiy.com
www.mountainsoftware.com

I tried stopping the fan with my finger, no change.

Isn't this something you discussed here, before? Try ear plugs...or check all the other answers from those old responses!

If you can read, you;d see I clearly stated that in my post. I only
mentioned it again because Anthony said his SSD is completely silent
and I thought he or others might be interested. Obviously he was.
I wasn't looking for a fix, don't have a problem. So, what's your
problem or are you just an idiot as usual?

On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 9:30:06 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 9:27:36 AM UTC-4, bob_villa wrote:
On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 7:34:32 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 at 12:12:34 AM UTC-4, HerHusband wrote:
It's similar to the tinking sound that comes from electric baseboard
heaters when they heat up, except the CPU can heat up a lot quicker.

Maybe, but the radiator thing only lasts for a few mins, while it's
changing temps, then it stops. This seems to continue.

Yeah, if the tinking sound continues more than a couple of minutes or so,
it's probably not thermal expansion. Still possible, I guess, but doesn't
seem likely that expansion would continue over a long time frame.

No reason to fix it, you woudln't even notice it unless you went
looking for it. And it only happens with heavy SSD activity, which is
rare here. It might happen with other heavy data movement, or CPU
activity, but the SSD activity is the only place I noticed it.

I don't know if it would be related to your situation, but my CPU fan is
completely silent under normal loads. If I put the system under a heavy
load the fan speeds up, and starts making a vibrating noise. It either has
bad bearings or is out of balance. I keep meaning to swap out the fan, but
since it only happens under heavy loads I haven't been motivated enough to
change it out.

I suppose if your fan was severely out of balance under heavy loads, it
might be contacting the heat sink and making a tink, tink sound?

Anthony Watson
www.watsondiy.com
www.mountainsoftware.com

I tried stopping the fan with my finger, no change.

Isn't this something you discussed here, before? Try ear plugs...or check all the other answers from those old responses!

If you can read, you;d see I clearly stated that in my post. I only
mentioned it again because Anthony said his SSD is completely silent
and I thought he or others might be interested. Obviously he was.
I wasn't looking for a fix, don't have a problem. So, what's your
problem or are you just an idiot as usual?

I'll leave you as our primary, anal-retentive, idiot...looking for attention.