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Well, today I ran into the first sharkbite failure I have personally
run into. The nextdoor neighbour had a new dishwasher installed last
summer and the installer cut into the hot water line BELOW the shutodd
and inserted a sharkbite "T" to connect the washer. The copper pipe
was over 40 years old and there was some verdi-gris on the copper. He
did not clean the copper with steel wool or sandbaper befor installing
the sharkbite..

Today the neighbor needed to replace the "O"rings in the kitchen
faucet so went to turn off the shutoffs under the sink and all of a
sudden he had water dripping from the top of the "T". He called me
over and I shut off the hot water with the shutoff on the feed to the
water heater. The shutoff leaked so I turned the water back on just
part way, where the packing didn't leak.Went up to the kitchen and the
water was RUNNING out of the sharkbite.

I ran over to Home Despot and grabbed new shutoffs and a handfull of
fittings and replaced the whole shebang - putting the shutoff BEFORE
the "T" and dishwasher as well as the faucet.and soldering
everything. Under an hour including the run to the "borg"

Now I'll have to replace the shutoff at the water heater some day -
hopefully the main shutoff will work - - - - - - - And it's buried
behind the washer/drier.
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On Saturday, April 23, 2016 at 10:27:45 PM UTC-4, wrote:
Well, today I ran into the first sharkbite failure I have personally
run into. The nextdoor neighbour had a new dishwasher installed last
summer and the installer cut into the hot water line BELOW the shutodd
and inserted a sharkbite "T" to connect the washer. The copper pipe
was over 40 years old and there was some verdi-gris on the copper. He
did not clean the copper with steel wool or sandbaper befor installing
the sharkbite..

Today the neighbor needed to replace the "O"rings in the kitchen
faucet so went to turn off the shutoffs under the sink and all of a
sudden he had water dripping from the top of the "T". He called me
over and I shut off the hot water with the shutoff on the feed to the
water heater. The shutoff leaked so I turned the water back on just
part way, where the packing didn't leak.Went up to the kitchen and the
water was RUNNING out of the sharkbite.

I ran over to Home Despot and grabbed new shutoffs and a handfull of
fittings and replaced the whole shebang - putting the shutoff BEFORE
the "T" and dishwasher as well as the faucet.and soldering
everything. Under an hour including the run to the "borg"

Now I'll have to replace the shutoff at the water heater some day -
hopefully the main shutoff will work - - - - - - - And it's buried
behind the washer/drier.


You called it a "SharkBite failure".

Do you place the blame on the SharkBite or on improper installation?
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Well, today I ran into the first sharkbite failure I have personally
run into. The nextdoor neighbour had a new dishwasher installed last
summer and the installer cut into the hot water line BELOW the shutodd
and inserted a sharkbite "T" to connect the washer. The copper pipe
was over 40 years old and there was some verdi-gris on the copper. He
did not clean the copper with steel wool or sandbaper befor installing
the sharkbite..

Today the neighbor needed to replace the "O"rings in the kitchen
faucet so went to turn off the shutoffs under the sink and all of a
sudden he had water dripping from the top of the "T". He called me
over and I shut off the hot water with the shutoff on the feed to the
water heater. The shutoff leaked so I turned the water back on just
part way, where the packing didn't leak.Went up to the kitchen and the
water was RUNNING out of the sharkbite.

I ran over to Home Despot and grabbed new shutoffs and a handfull of
fittings and replaced the whole shebang - putting the shutoff BEFORE
the "T" and dishwasher as well as the faucet.and soldering
everything. Under an hour including the run to the "borg"

Now I'll have to replace the shutoff at the water heater some day -
hopefully the main shutoff will work - - - - - - - And it's buried
behind the washer/drier.


Where do you live, and is the house on the other side of you for sale?
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On 4/24/2016 3:28 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Saturday, April 23, 2016 at 10:27:45 PM UTC-4, wrote:
Well, today I ran into the first sharkbite failure I have personally
run into. The nextdoor neighbour had a new dishwasher installed last
summer and the installer cut into the hot water line BELOW the shutodd
and inserted a sharkbite "T" to connect the washer. The copper pipe
was over 40 years old and there was some verdi-gris on the copper. He
did not clean the copper with steel wool or sandbaper befor installing
the sharkbite..

Today the neighbor needed to replace the "O"rings in the kitchen
faucet so went to turn off the shutoffs under the sink and all of a
sudden he had water dripping from the top of the "T". He called me
over and I shut off the hot water with the shutoff on the feed to the
water heater. The shutoff leaked so I turned the water back on just
part way, where the packing didn't leak.Went up to the kitchen and the
water was RUNNING out of the sharkbite.


You called it a "SharkBite failure".

Do you place the blame on the SharkBite or on improper installation?


Was the other installer a Mexican?

And was he in the USA, legally?

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You called it a "SharkBite failure".

Do you place the blame on the SharkBite or on improper installation?




Yep, I'd call it an improper installation and nothing more


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You called it a "SharkBite failure".

Do you place the blame on the SharkBite or on improper installation?


Can't sharkbites be reused? Though I read that before.
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On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 05:52:25 -0400, Micky wrote:

On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 22:27:45 -0400, wrote:

Well, today I ran into the first sharkbite failure I have personally
run into. The nextdoor neighbour had a new dishwasher installed last
summer and the installer cut into the hot water line BELOW the shutodd
and inserted a sharkbite "T" to connect the washer. The copper pipe
was over 40 years old and there was some verdi-gris on the copper. He
did not clean the copper with steel wool or sandbaper befor installing
the sharkbite..

Today the neighbor needed to replace the "O"rings in the kitchen
faucet so went to turn off the shutoffs under the sink and all of a
sudden he had water dripping from the top of the "T". He called me
over and I shut off the hot water with the shutoff on the feed to the
water heater. The shutoff leaked so I turned the water back on just
part way, where the packing didn't leak.Went up to the kitchen and the
water was RUNNING out of the sharkbite.

I ran over to Home Despot and grabbed new shutoffs and a handfull of
fittings and replaced the whole shebang - putting the shutoff BEFORE
the "T" and dishwasher as well as the faucet.and soldering
everything. Under an hour including the run to the "borg"

Now I'll have to replace the shutoff at the water heater some day -
hopefully the main shutoff will work - - - - - - - And it's buried
behind the washer/drier.


Where do you live, and is the house on the other side of you for sale?


He lives across the street from Donald Trump and the house behind him is where Ted Cruz lives. I doubt you would be
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On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 00:28:44 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
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On Saturday, April 23, 2016 at 10:27:45 PM UTC-4, wrote:
Well, today I ran into the first sharkbite failure I have personally
run into. The nextdoor neighbour had a new dishwasher installed last
summer and the installer cut into the hot water line BELOW the shutodd
and inserted a sharkbite "T" to connect the washer. The copper pipe
was over 40 years old and there was some verdi-gris on the copper. He
did not clean the copper with steel wool or sandbaper befor installing
the sharkbite..

Today the neighbor needed to replace the "O"rings in the kitchen
faucet so went to turn off the shutoffs under the sink and all of a
sudden he had water dripping from the top of the "T". He called me
over and I shut off the hot water with the shutoff on the feed to the
water heater. The shutoff leaked so I turned the water back on just
part way, where the packing didn't leak.Went up to the kitchen and the
water was RUNNING out of the sharkbite.

I ran over to Home Despot and grabbed new shutoffs and a handfull of
fittings and replaced the whole shebang - putting the shutoff BEFORE
the "T" and dishwasher as well as the faucet.and soldering
everything. Under an hour including the run to the "borg"

Now I'll have to replace the shutoff at the water heater some day -
hopefully the main shutoff will work - - - - - - - And it's buried
behind the washer/drier.


You called it a "SharkBite failure".

Do you place the blame on the SharkBite or on improper installation?

Mostly blame it on the installation - along with the fact the "simple
installation" is not tolerant of any movement in combination with any
lack of preparation

In that way no different than a soldered joint - but a soldered joint
you EXPECT to take some skill.

I've used sharkbites twice in the past in situations where I didn't
feel confortable using a torch and to the best of my knowledge they
are holding up just fine. They were NOT in applications where any
movement was likely and they were protected from anything even bumping
them.
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On 4/24/2016 3:28 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Saturday, April 23, 2016 at 10:27:45 PM UTC-4, wrote:
Well, today I ran into the first sharkbite failure I have personally
run into. The nextdoor neighbour had a new dishwasher installed last
summer and the installer cut into the hot water line BELOW the shutodd
and inserted a sharkbite "T" to connect the washer. The copper pipe
was over 40 years old and there was some verdi-gris on the copper. He
did not clean the copper with steel wool or sandbaper befor installing
the sharkbite..

Today the neighbor needed to replace the "O"rings in the kitchen
faucet so went to turn off the shutoffs under the sink and all of a
sudden he had water dripping from the top of the "T". He called me
over and I shut off the hot water with the shutoff on the feed to the
water heater. The shutoff leaked so I turned the water back on just
part way, where the packing didn't leak.Went up to the kitchen and the
water was RUNNING out of the sharkbite.


You called it a "SharkBite failure".

Do you place the blame on the SharkBite or on improper installation?


Was the other installer a Mexican?

And was he in the USA, legally?

Give it a bloody rest you xenophobic racist moron.
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On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 09:08:16 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 00:28:44 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
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You called it a "SharkBite failure".

Do you place the blame on the SharkBite or on improper installation?


Can't sharkbites be reused? Though I read that before.

I'd never re-use one that had failed. No way to replace the "o"-ring
seal.


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On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 05:52:25 -0400, Micky
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On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 22:27:45 -0400, wrote:

Well, today I ran into the first sharkbite failure I have personally
run into. The nextdoor neighbour had a new dishwasher installed last
summer and the installer cut into the hot water line BELOW the shutodd
and inserted a sharkbite "T" to connect the washer. The copper pipe
was over 40 years old and there was some verdi-gris on the copper. He
did not clean the copper with steel wool or sandbaper befor installing
the sharkbite..

Today the neighbor needed to replace the "O"rings in the kitchen
faucet so went to turn off the shutoffs under the sink and all of a
sudden he had water dripping from the top of the "T". He called me
over and I shut off the hot water with the shutoff on the feed to the
water heater. The shutoff leaked so I turned the water back on just
part way, where the packing didn't leak.Went up to the kitchen and the
water was RUNNING out of the sharkbite.

I ran over to Home Despot and grabbed new shutoffs and a handfull of
fittings and replaced the whole shebang - putting the shutoff BEFORE
the "T" and dishwasher as well as the faucet.and soldering
everything. Under an hour including the run to the "borg"

Now I'll have to replace the shutoff at the water heater some day -
hopefully the main shutoff will work - - - - - - - And it's buried
behind the washer/drier.


Where do you live, and is the house on the other side of you for sale?

And exactly what has that got to do with the price of chicken milk in
Idaho on a Thursday???
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On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 05:52:25 -0400, Micky
wrote:

On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 22:27:45 -0400,
wrote:

Well, today I ran into the first sharkbite failure I have personally
run into. The nextdoor neighbour had a new dishwasher installed last
summer and the installer cut into the hot water line BELOW the shutodd
and inserted a sharkbite "T" to connect the washer. The copper pipe
was over 40 years old and there was some verdi-gris on the copper. He
did not clean the copper with steel wool or sandbaper befor installing
the sharkbite..

Today the neighbor needed to replace the "O"rings in the kitchen
faucet so went to turn off the shutoffs under the sink and all of a
sudden he had water dripping from the top of the "T". He called me
over and I shut off the hot water with the shutoff on the feed to the
water heater. The shutoff leaked so I turned the water back on just
part way, where the packing didn't leak.Went up to the kitchen and the
water was RUNNING out of the sharkbite.

I ran over to Home Despot and grabbed new shutoffs and a handfull of
fittings and replaced the whole shebang - putting the shutoff BEFORE
the "T" and dishwasher as well as the faucet.and soldering
everything. Under an hour including the run to the "borg"

Now I'll have to replace the shutoff at the water heater some day -
hopefully the main shutoff will work - - - - - - - And it's buried
behind the washer/drier.


Where do you live, and is the house on the other side of you for sale?

And exactly what has that got to do with the price of chicken milk in
Idaho on a Thursday???


You're so nice to the guy in the story, I want to be your neighbor
too.
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On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 15:44:41 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 00:28:44 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Saturday, April 23, 2016 at 10:27:45 PM UTC-4, wrote:
Well, today I ran into the first sharkbite failure I have personally
run into. The nextdoor neighbour had a new dishwasher installed last
summer and the installer cut into the hot water line BELOW the shutodd
and inserted a sharkbite "T" to connect the washer. The copper pipe
was over 40 years old and there was some verdi-gris on the copper. He
did not clean the copper with steel wool or sandbaper befor installing
the sharkbite..

Today the neighbor needed to replace the "O"rings in the kitchen
faucet so went to turn off the shutoffs under the sink and all of a
sudden he had water dripping from the top of the "T". He called me
over and I shut off the hot water with the shutoff on the feed to the
water heater. The shutoff leaked so I turned the water back on just
part way, where the packing didn't leak.Went up to the kitchen and the
water was RUNNING out of the sharkbite.

I ran over to Home Despot and grabbed new shutoffs and a handfull of
fittings and replaced the whole shebang - putting the shutoff BEFORE
the "T" and dishwasher as well as the faucet.and soldering
everything. Under an hour including the run to the "borg"

Now I'll have to replace the shutoff at the water heater some day -
hopefully the main shutoff will work - - - - - - - And it's buried
behind the washer/drier.


You called it a "SharkBite failure".

Do you place the blame on the SharkBite or on improper installation?

Mostly blame it on the installation - along with the fact the "simple
installation" is not tolerant of any movement in combination with any
lack of preparation

In that way no different than a soldered joint - but a soldered joint
you EXPECT to take some skill.

I've used sharkbites twice in the past in situations where I didn't
feel confortable using a torch and to the best of my knowledge they
are holding up just fine. They were NOT in applications where any
movement was likely and they were protected from anything even bumping
them.


Hmm. I've used one so far, the valve on a toilet water supply. A bad
idea?

I suppose the toilet vibrates a tiny bit when flushing and filling,
and moves even a bit more when sat on.
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On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 16:58:23 -0400, Micky
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Where do you live, and is the house on the other side of you for sale?


And exactly what has that got to do with the price of chicken milk in
Idaho on a Thursday???


You're so nice to the guy in the story, I want to be your neighbor
too.


You need a Passport to move there.

If you have a URL to chicken milk, please let me know.
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On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 16:58:23 -0400, Micky
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On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 15:48:00 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 05:52:25 -0400, Micky
wrote:

On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 22:27:45 -0400,
wrote:

Well, today I ran into the first sharkbite failure I have personally
run into. The nextdoor neighbour had a new dishwasher installed last
summer and the installer cut into the hot water line BELOW the shutodd
and inserted a sharkbite "T" to connect the washer. The copper pipe
was over 40 years old and there was some verdi-gris on the copper. He
did not clean the copper with steel wool or sandbaper befor installing
the sharkbite..

Today the neighbor needed to replace the "O"rings in the kitchen
faucet so went to turn off the shutoffs under the sink and all of a
sudden he had water dripping from the top of the "T". He called me
over and I shut off the hot water with the shutoff on the feed to the
water heater. The shutoff leaked so I turned the water back on just
part way, where the packing didn't leak.Went up to the kitchen and the
water was RUNNING out of the sharkbite.

I ran over to Home Despot and grabbed new shutoffs and a handfull of
fittings and replaced the whole shebang - putting the shutoff BEFORE
the "T" and dishwasher as well as the faucet.and soldering
everything. Under an hour including the run to the "borg"

Now I'll have to replace the shutoff at the water heater some day -
hopefully the main shutoff will work - - - - - - - And it's buried
behind the washer/drier.

Where do you live, and is the house on the other side of you for sale?

And exactly what has that got to do with the price of chicken milk in
Idaho on a Thursday???


You're so nice to the guy in the story, I want to be your neighbor
too.

About 12 years ago, before his divorce, they were looking for a
bigger house but decided to spend over $60,000 having an addition put
on above the garage and family room. I acted as supervisor on the site
to be sure the GC didn't screw anything up. In the contract they
specified the exact same window as was used in the rest of the house
(which I had supplied at the window shop I worked for at the time) and
they installed a different window - not even the same hight - and not
spaced to look like it was part of the original installation - so I
called them on it - "what brand window did you install? What size? -
and exactly where in the contract did it give you permission to do
that?? Get it OUT and get the right window in there - and while you
are at it move it about 10 inches or a foot to the left - make it look
like the addition is part of the house - not a bloody afterthought!!!!

When they were finished it was pretty hard to tell it was an addition
(unlike a few other jobs around the subdivision where roof lines don't
match, etc)

About 7 years before when they were in sweden (he's a professor and
was on sabatical) I was managing the rental and when the renters
decided to leave they wanted the house renovated - new kitchen, pull
all the carpets and remove all wallpaper - complete redecorate and
replace all the windows -as well as re-do the main bathroom.
Using email to communicate I designed the kitchen and had it built,
had the floors all redone (including installing new hardwood) replaced
the windows, and redid the bathroom. I only did a small fraction of
the work - but I made sure everything that was done was done to the
highest standard, and to their requirements.

I got paid reasonably well for my efforts.

He now travels quite extensively - to conferences and speaking
engagementa around the world - and I look after the place whiole he's
gone - blowing snow in the winter and keeping the lawn in check during
the summer - etc. I'll be looking after the water heater shutoff while
he's gone next month.

And in answer to your question - no house on the other side - I'm on
a corner lot in Lincoln Village subdivision of Waterloo Ontario. A
beautifull place to live and with EXCELLENT neighbours!!!!



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And in answer to your question - no house on the other side - I'm on
a corner lot in Lincoln Village subdivision of Waterloo Ontario. A
beautifull place to live and with EXCELLENT neighbours!!!!


Take a look at
http://on-the-net.ca/goodneighbours.html to see the
house, and mine on the corner. The top picture is spring 09, the
bottom early summer 14.
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On Sunday, April 24, 2016 at 4:51:39 PM UTC-5, Oren wrote:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 16:58:23 -0400, Micky
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Where do you live, and is the house on the other side of you for sale?


And exactly what has that got to do with the price of chicken milk in
Idaho on a Thursday???


You're so nice to the guy in the story, I want to be your neighbor
too.


You need a Passport to move there.

If you have a URL to chicken milk, please let me know.


The chicken milk line was a yolk. He was just yolking. ^_^

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On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 19:15:03 -0400, wrote:

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And in answer to your question - no house on the other side - I'm on
a corner lot in Lincoln Village subdivision of Waterloo Ontario. A
beautifull place to live and with EXCELLENT neighbours!!!!


Take a look at
http://on-the-net.ca/goodneighbours.html to see the
house, and mine on the corner. The top picture is spring 09, the
bottom early summer 14.

Actually, the other way around. The bottom one is 09, the top is 14.
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On 4/24/2016 7:15 PM, wrote:
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And in answer to your question - no house on the other side - I'm on
a corner lot in Lincoln Village subdivision of Waterloo Ontario. A
beautifull place to live and with EXCELLENT neighbours!!!!


Take a look at
http://on-the-net.ca/goodneighbours.html to see the
house, and mine on the corner. The top picture is spring 09, the
bottom early summer 14.


Looks like a nice neighborhood.
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On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 21:08:07 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 4/24/2016 7:15 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 17:55:45 -0400,
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And in answer to your question - no house on the other side - I'm on
a corner lot in Lincoln Village subdivision of Waterloo Ontario. A
beautifull place to live and with EXCELLENT neighbours!!!!


Take a look at
http://on-the-net.ca/goodneighbours.html to see the
house, and mine on the corner. The top picture is spring 09, the
bottom early summer 14.


Looks like a nice neighborhood.

We have been here 35 years now - we like it. Not the most expensive
part of town - there are nicer areas - but definitely nothing to
sneeze at. Actually a lot nicer than some of the "tonier" parts of
town. It was the outskirts of town when we moved in - and the area was
about 8 years old. Good school just about 5 doors down behind and
across the road.(just off the corner of the picture) Just about a mile
to the main "ring road" - the conestoga expressway and less than 2
miles to a major regional shopping center -with a smaller plaza with
good grocery and pharmacy within a mile and a convenience store, pizza
shop and local pub within half a mile.
City bus stop just across the road. Less than3 miles from both
universities - far enough that we don't have student housing on our
doorsteps. It's over 3 miles to the outskirts now. There are good
walking and hiking trails not far away, and several nice local parks.
In 15 minutes I can be on the 401 (Macdonald Cartier) highway that
runs from Windor/Detroit to Montreal, and just about an hour to either
London or Toronto. We can be up to Lake Huron and Georgian Bay in just
over 2 hours or up to the Muskokas or Algonquin in 3 or 4
They just repaved the streets for the first time last summer, and we
are high enough we never have any flooding - sitting on sand over open
bottom gravel so we don't need a sump pump either. All underground
services means storms don't usually cause much power disruption We
lost the cherry tree just to the right of the house on the bottom
picture last year..

We've though about selling and finding a bungalow we can "grow old" in
but they are all more expensive than what we'd be able to get for our
2 storey - particularly if we want an attached (or even any) garage.


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On Sunday, April 24, 2016 at 3:45:28 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 07:11:54 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 4/24/2016 3:28 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Saturday, April 23, 2016 at 10:27:45 PM UTC-4, wrote:
Well, today I ran into the first sharkbite failure I have personally
run into. The nextdoor neighbour had a new dishwasher installed last
summer and the installer cut into the hot water line BELOW the shutodd
and inserted a sharkbite "T" to connect the washer. The copper pipe
was over 40 years old and there was some verdi-gris on the copper. He
did not clean the copper with steel wool or sandbaper befor installing
the sharkbite..

Today the neighbor needed to replace the "O"rings in the kitchen
faucet so went to turn off the shutoffs under the sink and all of a
sudden he had water dripping from the top of the "T". He called me
over and I shut off the hot water with the shutoff on the feed to the
water heater. The shutoff leaked so I turned the water back on just
part way, where the packing didn't leak.Went up to the kitchen and the
water was RUNNING out of the sharkbite.


You called it a "SharkBite failure".

Do you place the blame on the SharkBite or on improper installation?


Was the other installer a Mexican?

And was he in the USA, legally?

Give it a bloody rest you xenophobic racist moron.


I know what a xenophobe and a racist is, but there's something else
going on with Stormy that I just can't figure out.

Is there a name for the affliction that causes people to continually
embarrass themselves by making irrelevant and inappropriate comments?

Callbacks can often be humorous and sometimes even show a high level
of wit and intelligence, but Stormy's use of the technique is none of
the three.
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