the light in Ma's room started to flicker last week
and after 20yrs it was time to replace the el cheapo
florescent shop light with LED 4ft versions.
4500 lumens, 42watts, rated to 50,000hrs, warrantee
for 5yrs, but i'm guessing they'll last a bit
longer than that.

we use the lights for indirect lighting (pointing
them up at the white ceiling). as she works in her
room on sewing projects in the winter she wanted to
replace the one light with two of the new ones. ok.
(but i told her i didn't think she needed that much
light).

it's so bright in there (turned them on last night
to see how they looked under battlefield conditions)
that i'm not sure i would like it.

we also replaced the two we used for the indirect
kitchen lighting. this place is lit up like the
Taj Mahal if we have all four of those on at once
(not very common we'd do that).

all that light for 168 watts (less than three
incandescent 60watters). i say, gotta love this new
technology!


songbird

On 1/29/2016 10:25 AM, songbird wrote:
the light in Ma's room started to flicker last week
and after 20yrs it was time to replace the el cheapo
florescent shop light with LED 4ft versions.
4500 lumens, 42watts, rated to 50,000hrs, warrantee
for 5yrs, but i'm guessing they'll last a bit
longer than that.

we use the lights for indirect lighting (pointing
them up at the white ceiling). as she works in her
room on sewing projects in the winter she wanted to
replace the one light with two of the new ones. ok.
(but i told her i didn't think she needed that much
light).

it's so bright in there (turned them on last night
to see how they looked under battlefield conditions)
that i'm not sure i would like it.

we also replaced the two we used for the indirect
kitchen lighting. this place is lit up like the
Taj Mahal if we have all four of those on at once
(not very common we'd do that).

all that light for 168 watts (less than three
incandescent 60watters). i say, gotta love this new
technology!


songbird


Some people are less sensetive to light as they age. My
one grand mother insisted that I read with no less than
100 watts of incandescent light. I told her that was
overly blinding. She'd come along and turn on the light
while I was reading in daylight next to a window. We went
around and around about that.

I've found fluorescent tubes come in different colors.
4100k is slightly blue. 3000k is yellow. 3500k is some
where in the middle.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

Stormin Mormon wrote:
....
Some people are less sensetive to light as they age. My
one grand mother insisted that I read with no less than
100 watts of incandescent light. I told her that was
overly blinding. She'd come along and turn on the light
while I was reading in daylight next to a window. We went
around and around about that.

same here. i've always gone outside with UV
protection on my eyes (glasses ) and she has
not. i think that makes a lot of difference over
time.

i can read in pretty dim light without any
fatigue or hassle, after some 45+yrs or so i've
not gone blind, you'd think that would give a
clue eh? still get grief from Ma or anyone
else who comes along and thinks it is a problem.
hahaha...

at night i like to keep it dim as i think
having bright light at night does things to your
sleep cycle/body rhythms.


I've found fluorescent tubes come in different colors.
4100k is slightly blue. 3000k is yellow. 3500k is some
where in the middle.

5000K light, bright white, much nicer than the bluish
or purplish light the fl bulbs put out.


songbird

On 1/29/2016 11:09 AM, songbird wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote:
...
Some people are less sensetive to light as they age. My
one grand mother insisted that I read with no less than
100 watts of incandescent light. I told her that was
overly blinding. She'd come along and turn on the light
while I was reading in daylight next to a window. We went
around and around about that.

same here. i've always gone outside with UV
protection on my eyes (glasses ) and she has
not. i think that makes a lot of difference over
time.

i can read in pretty dim light without any
fatigue or hassle, after some 45+yrs or so i've
not gone blind, you'd think that would give a
clue eh? still get grief from Ma or anyone
else who comes along and thinks it is a problem.
hahaha...

at night i like to keep it dim as i think
having bright light at night does things to your
sleep cycle/body rhythms.


I've found fluorescent tubes come in different colors.
4100k is slightly blue. 3000k is yellow. 3500k is some
where in the middle.

5000K light, bright white, much nicer than the bluish
or purplish light the fl bulbs put out.


songbird


When one uncle was working (long ago
retired) his study was sunlight damage
to eyes. Much as you note, going out
in the sun damages eyes. Sunglasses are
a good thing.

I've never tried or use 5000k lights.
May do that some day, Thanks.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

Stormin Mormon writes:
On 1/29/2016 11:09 AM, songbird wrote:


5000K light, bright white, much nicer than the bluish
or purplish light the fl bulbs put out.

I've never tried or use 5000k lights.
May do that some day, Thanks.

5000k (Chroma 50 is the GE brand) provide the best
color rendition, so they're perfect in workshops,
finishing/paint rooms.

On 1/29/2016 12:04 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 1/29/2016 11:09 AM, songbird wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote:
...
Some people are less sensetive to light as they age. My
one grand mother insisted that I read with no less than
100 watts of incandescent light. I told her that was
overly blinding. She'd come along and turn on the light
while I was reading in daylight next to a window. We went
around and around about that.

same here. i've always gone outside with UV
protection on my eyes (glasses ) and she has
not. i think that makes a lot of difference over
time.

i can read in pretty dim light without any
fatigue or hassle, after some 45+yrs or so i've
not gone blind, you'd think that would give a
clue eh? still get grief from Ma or anyone
else who comes along and thinks it is a problem.
hahaha...

at night i like to keep it dim as i think
having bright light at night does things to your
sleep cycle/body rhythms.


I've found fluorescent tubes come in different colors.
4100k is slightly blue. 3000k is yellow. 3500k is some
where in the middle.

5000K light, bright white, much nicer than the bluish
or purplish light the fl bulbs put out.


songbird


When one uncle was working (long ago
retired) his study was sunlight damage
to eyes. Much as you note, going out
in the sun damages eyes. Sunglasses are
a good thing.

I've never tried or use 5000k lights.
May do that some day, Thanks.


I have AMD. It is not advanced yet and may or may not get worse but a
yellowish pigmentation, drusen, starts in the center of the retina and
can harm vision if it builds up too much. There is no cure but eye
doctors recommend eye vitamins and recommend looking at Amsler grid as
there is possibility of wet type macular degeneration which can be stopped.

I see slight darkening in the center of the right eye and it would
slightly interfere with reading and more light makes it easier.
I suspect this is why older people need more light.

Different light sources put out different spectra. I got some CFL's
that are so bright white that wife and I found them only suitable for
outside lights.

On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 10:25:20 -0500, songbird
wrote:

the light in Ma's room started to flicker last week
and after 20yrs it was time to replace the el cheapo
florescent shop light with LED 4ft versions.
4500 lumens, 42watts, rated to 50,000hrs, warrantee
for 5yrs, but i'm guessing they'll last a bit
longer than that.

we use the lights for indirect lighting (pointing
them up at the white ceiling). as she works in her
room on sewing projects in the winter she wanted to
replace the one light with two of the new ones. ok.
(but i told her i didn't think she needed that much
light).

it's so bright in there (turned them on last night
to see how they looked under battlefield conditions)
that i'm not sure i would like it.

we also replaced the two we used for the indirect
kitchen lighting. this place is lit up like the
Taj Mahal if we have all four of those on at once
(not very common we'd do that).

all that light for 168 watts (less than three
incandescent 60watters). i say, gotta love this new
technology!


songbird

I don't mind the LED strip lights in my shop (I am getting rid of the
F40s as they go bad) but I certainly do not want a hot white one in
the kitchen. I use natural light bulbs in there. (sold as kitchen and
bath)

On 01/29/2016 09:30 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

[snip]

Some people are less sensetive to light as they age. My
one grand mother insisted that I read with no less than
100 watts of incandescent light. I told her that was
overly blinding. She'd come along and turn on the light
while I was reading in daylight next to a window. We went
around and around about that.

My grandmother was always wanting to have more light (at least before
her cataract surgery), and seemed to think "more is ALWAYS better". I
remember working on something on the back of the big (27-inch console)
TV. There was enough light. Then she turned on a wall lamp next to me
and everything behind the TV went completely black. More light in the
wrong direction is NOT better.

[snip]

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Before the year 2000, the Christian Coalition will be the most powerful
organization in America." [Pat Robertson]

On 01/29/2016 10:09 AM, songbird wrote:

[sip]

i can read in pretty dim light without any
fatigue or hassle, after some 45+yrs or so i've
not gone blind, you'd think that would give a
clue eh? still get grief from Ma or anyone
else who comes along and thinks it is a problem.
hahaha...

My mother complained about me watching TV in a dark room, and my
grandmother would often turn on extra lamps when I was reading (making
it excessively bright, and harder to see the words).

at night i like to keep it dim as i think
having bright light at night does things to your
sleep cycle/body rhythms.

For a long time, I've preferred to sleep in a completely dark and quiet
room. A couple of the first things I did when I bought this house were
to get a couple of dark towels to hang over the windows, and get a
remote control to turn the light off from bed.

BTW, "Night Light" sounds like a dirty word.

Also, I never wanted to listen to music when going to sleep. It either
made it hard to get to sleep because it was too loud, of it made it hard
to get to sleep because to was too much work trying to hear it.


[snip]

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Before the year 2000, the Christian Coalition will be the most powerful
organization in America." [Pat Robertson]

On 01/29/2016 12:01 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Stormin Mormon writes:
On 1/29/2016 11:09 AM, songbird wrote:


5000K light, bright white, much nicer than the bluish
or purplish light the fl bulbs put out.

I've never tried or use 5000k lights.
May do that some day, Thanks.

5000k (Chroma 50 is the GE brand) provide the best
color rendition, so they're perfect in workshops,
finishing/paint rooms.


And I find that light much preferable to the "soft white" 2700K (which
is more like "dirty yellow").

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Before the year 2000, the Christian Coalition will be the most powerful
organization in America." [Pat Robertson]

"Mark Lloyd" wrote in message

stuff snipped

Also, I never wanted to listen to music when going to sleep. It either
made it hard to get to sleep because it was too loud, of it made it hard
to get to sleep because to was too much work trying to hear it.

I couldn't get to sleep without listening to music. I set up my HomeVision
controller to turn down the sound on the stereo incrementally while I am
falling asleep. It goes from whatever volume I start out down to 0 in 30
minutes.

The stereo is a Sony car unit w/IR control that takes USB sticks so I have a
little library of USB sticks with classic, soft rock, etc. next to the bed.
It was a great way to use up all the 4GB and smaller sticks that aren't much
use anymore.

--
Bobby G.

Scott Lurndal wrote:
Stormin Mormon writes:
songbird wrote:


5000K light, bright white, much nicer than the bluish
or purplish light the fl bulbs put out.

I've never tried or use 5000k lights.
May do that some day, Thanks.

5000k (Chroma 50 is the GE brand) provide the best
color rendition, so they're perfect in workshops,
finishing/paint rooms.

that is funny, the first comment this morning when
she turned on the lights to get going on her quilting
was that she was seeing colors she didn't know she
had!


songbird