We are looking to buy a new refrigerator and the only two that meed our
requirements are either LG or Samsung. French door, max 33" wide. Both
models are nice and loaded with features, but the one difference in the
compressor warranty. Samsung is 5 years, LG is 10 years on the Inverter
Linear compressor.

Anyone have experience with them?

Yes, we did look at all the US made brands and they are very limited in
the 33' Wide models,

In Ed Pawlowski writes:

We are looking to buy a new refrigerator and the only two that meed our
requirements are either LG or Samsung. French door, max 33" wide. Both
models are nice and loaded with features, but the one difference in the
compressor warranty. Samsung is 5 years, LG is 10 years on the Inverter
Linear compressor.

Anyone have experience with them?

We have an LG (Sears Branded) from a couple of years ago.
The compressor is... quiet. Highly recommended
for that reason alone.

In our case the unit is a standard single door for the refrig
and another for the freezer - with the freezer near the floor.
Much more civilized.

We chose the unit for that design feature not knowing the
compressor specifics. Were pleasantly surprised.

Of course they stopped selling that model soon after
we got it..

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On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 20:49:35 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

We are looking to buy a new refrigerator and the only two that meed our
requirements are either LG or Samsung. French door, max 33" wide. Both
models are nice and loaded with features, but the one difference in the
compressor warranty. Samsung is 5 years, LG is 10 years on the Inverter
Linear compressor.

Anyone have experience with them?

Yes, we did look at all the US made brands and they are very limited in
the 33' Wide models,
Two years ago with our kitchen remodel we replaced all the appliances
with SS ones. The frdge is a Samsung side by side. All is well
except the compressor makes an annoying noise. I've complained to
Samsung and their response was "they have to make some noise!". Well,
this is the first fridge where it ever bothered me. I live with it
but I pesonally would shy away for that reason alone.

Good luck.

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On 12/15/2015 6:49 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
We are looking to buy a new refrigerator and the only two that meed our
requirements are either LG or Samsung. French door, max 33" wide. Both models
are nice and loaded with features, but the one difference in the compressor
warranty. Samsung is 5 years, LG is 10 years on the Inverter Linear compressor.

Anyone have experience with them?

Yes, we did look at all the US made brands and they are very limited in the 33'
Wide models,

SWMBO had her heart set on the new "four door" Samsung as it's the only
product that addresses how *we* want to use our refrigerator.

Just prior to purchasing, the Samsung front load washing machine
exhibited a "door latch mechanism" failure -- after ~18 months of
VERY light use (just two of us, here, and neither of us are known
to be "clothes hogs"!)

[At the time, I actually queried the washing machine to determine how
many "loads" we'd run through it! All that high tech stuff works both
ways : ]

On examining the mechanism, it was clear that it *would* fail in exactly
the manner that it *did* fail; plastic parts under a fair bit of
stress with the stresses on the mechanism focused on the flimsy
tabs connecting the half-shells together.

I was prepared to replace the part at my expense (just out of warranty).
But, their web site showed *two* different parts for this model -- one
having the P/N of the FAILED unit in my hands and the other a different
P/N. Sure, I could buy the "identical" unit and be safe with the
purchase. But, if the other part was "new and improved", I'd be silly
NOT to buy it, instead!

But, they couldn't resolve this issue for me: "What's the difference
between the two parts and why are they *both* listed (same "purpose")
for this model??"

Eventually, they sent a technician out to effect the repair for us
(free). But, he brought exactly the same replacement part as the
part we'd already observed *fail* -- not leaving us with much
reassurance that the problem wouldn't repeat.

We conveyed this experience to the friend who had recommended the
washer/dryer in the first place -- as an "FYI". Her reply?
"Oh, we've already replaced the washer *and* dryer!"

Disheartening.

So, we're very hesitant to make a "significant" purchase in the
fancy refrigerator and, instead, hope other vendors pick up on
the design and offer competing products.

Good luck with whatever your decision!

On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 20:49:35 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

We are looking to buy a new refrigerator and the only two that meed our
requirements are either LG or Samsung. French door, max 33" wide. Both
models are nice and loaded with features, but the one difference in the
compressor warranty. Samsung is 5 years, LG is 10 years on the Inverter
Linear compressor.

Anyone have experience with them?

Yes, we did look at all the US made brands and they are very limited in
the 33' Wide models,

I have a samsung 25cf side by side costco special from about 5 years
ago. Seems pretty quiet and the only thing that's gone wrong is the
ice tray for the ice maker somehow got jammed and broke. It was a $6
part and about 10 minutes worth of work to replace. The water filter
it comes with is VERY pricey so I just took it out (fortunately you
can remove it and run without it) and put an inline one in the water
line. The ice maker makes enough ice for the two of us but when we
still had two kids at home it really struggled to keep up. It's ice
makers has about half the capacity of the Whirlpool? or Fridgedaire?
we had before. I think they made the ice maker smaller to make more
room in the freezer. The ice jams in the feed thing that turns about
once every week or two... never had that problem with the previous
regfrig. It seems like a tiny bit of water always manages to drip down
from the tray when it fills causing the cubes in the bin to get frozen
together and jam.

On 12/15/2015 8:49 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
We are looking to buy a new refrigerator and the only two that meed our
requirements are either LG or Samsung. French door, max 33" wide. Both
models are nice and loaded with features, but the one difference in the
compressor warranty. Samsung is 5 years, LG is 10 years on the Inverter
Linear compressor.

Anyone have experience with them?

Yes, we did look at all the US made brands and they are very limited in
the 33' Wide models,
6 years ago we bought a WP side by side for our new home. We really
should have bought the French door model, however, at that time they
were really pricey. The side by side doors were really not the best
choice as they always seemed to be in the way. The only real problem
with the WP was the ice maker. It was built into the freezer door and
would always get clogged with ice. We usually use the crushed ice. It
was so bad that during some periods we would have to clean it out about
every 2 weeks. WP factory guy said that it's the customer's
responsibility to keep it clean. Their repair guy that came out, said he
would NEVER tell his customer that even though that's the official WP
policy. My son said yeah that's like all the units built in the door. He
even had a friend with a huge Subzero that did the same thing. Anyway, 6
months ago we finally replaced it with French door model from WP. We are
very happy with it. The ice maker is in the fridge and the ice comes out
through one of the fridge French doors. No clogage! Of course, the ice
is really not crushed, but more chopped, but that's ok. And the doors
are no longer a problem getting in the way as the side by side did. The
prices have come down quite a bit so it made the purchase less painful.
We should have done it when we 1st built the house. Oh yeah, WP is made
in the USA.

"Ashton Crusher" wrote:

The ice maker makes enough ice for the two of us but when we
still had two kids at home it really struggled to keep up. It's ice
makers has about half the capacity of the Whirlpool? or Fridgedaire?
we had before. I think they made the ice maker smaller to make more
room in the freezer. The ice jams in the feed thing that turns about
once every week or two...

I have the opposite problem with a Frigidare Gallery. They shortened the arm on
wire bar that senses when the ice basket is full, resulting in the basket
filling higher than previous models. Suspect that was to increase the amount of
ice available. The only problem is that the ice level now fills above the access
door. When you open the door to turn off the production of ice, it all spills
out on the floor.

You wonder if the designers try to live with their designs.

On 12/15/2015 9:14 PM, danny burstein wrote:


In our case the unit is a standard single door for the refrig
and another for the freezer - with the freezer near the floor.
Much more civilized.

We have a side by side. While better than top freezer, I like the idea
of the bottom better. French door better yet.

On 12/15/2015 9:47 PM, wrote:

The frdge is a Samsung side by side. All is well
except the compressor makes an annoying noise. I've complained to
Samsung and their response was "they have to make some noise!". Well,
this is the first fridge where it ever bothered me. I live with it
but I pesonally would shy away for that reason alone.

It seems to be a recurring comment.

On 12/16/2015 8:21 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 12/15/2015 9:14 PM, danny burstein wrote:


In our case the unit is a standard single door for the refrig
and another for the freezer - with the freezer near the floor.
Much more civilized.

We have a side by side. While better than top freezer, I like the idea of the
bottom better. French door better yet.

A downside to the bottom freezers is they employ an open-weave *basket*
to hold the frozen items. So, opening the "drawer" lets all the cold air
"fall out" (including the air surrounding the frozen items -- i.e., the
freezer loses all its "cold". By contrast, a freezer *chest* leaves
all the cold air trapped in the bottom of the "box".

A drawer could have a bottom "surface" instead of the wire basket
approach. But, AFAICT, all have gone the open-weave approach.

We liked the 4 door unit so we could move things to "convenient heights"
(thinking in terms of how much we want to *bend* to lift things that
we may want to access, often -- regardless of whether they are coming out of
the *freezer* or *refrigerator* (i.e., you want a freezer AND refrigerator
on top and bottom -- without the side-by-side *forced* requirement.)

On 12/15/2015 8:49 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
We are looking to buy a new refrigerator and the only two that meed our
requirements are either LG or Samsung. French door, max 33" wide. Both
models are nice and loaded with features, but the one difference in the
compressor warranty. Samsung is 5 years, LG is 10 years on the Inverter
Linear compressor.

Anyone have experience with them?

Yes, we did look at all the US made brands and they are very limited in
the 33' Wide models,

We have one of these wide models in our cafeteria. Handy to be able to
walk into it.

Or, perhaps, you meant 32 inches, not 33 feet wide?

On 12/16/2015 10:45 AM, Don Y wrote:


A downside to the bottom freezers is they employ an open-weave *basket*
to hold the frozen items. So, opening the "drawer" lets all the cold air
"fall out" (including the air surrounding the frozen items -- i.e., the
freezer loses all its "cold". By contrast, a freezer *chest* leaves
all the cold air trapped in the bottom of the "box".

A drawer could have a bottom "surface" instead of the wire basket
approach. But, AFAICT, all have gone the open-weave approach.

I did not see any basket weave in these, but there has to be places for
air to move around.


We liked the 4 door unit so we could move things to "convenient heights"
(thinking in terms of how much we want to *bend* to lift things that
we may want to access, often -- regardless of whether they are coming
out of
the *freezer* or *refrigerator* (i.e., you want a freezer AND refrigerator
on top and bottom -- without the side-by-side *forced* requirement.)

The downside is the bottom of the freezer is very low, but a sliding
drawer in it allows the most used stuff to be on top. We have an 18 cu.
ft. freezer plus another fridge so freezer space in the kitchen is of
minimal need for us.

We like the idea of the wide and easily accessed refrigerator space.
Well, it looks good, I'll have to get back to you after a couple of
months of use.

Visited a couple of dealers today. Both recommended the Samsung so that
is what we went with. Best price and service is from a small local,
family owned dealer. $100 less that Home Depot, $4400 less than a large
dealer in the big city.

On 12/16/2015 4:00 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 12/16/2015 10:45 AM, Don Y wrote:


A downside to the bottom freezers is they employ an open-weave *basket*
to hold the frozen items. So, opening the "drawer" lets all the cold air
"fall out" (including the air surrounding the frozen items -- i.e., the
freezer loses all its "cold". By contrast, a freezer *chest* leaves
all the cold air trapped in the bottom of the "box".

A drawer could have a bottom "surface" instead of the wire basket
approach. But, AFAICT, all have gone the open-weave approach.

I did not see any basket weave in these, but there has to be places for air to
move around.

Is there a *solid* bottom to the freezer "drawer"? Or, is it,
instead, a "chicken-wire" sort of arrangement?

Said another way, if you empty the drawer and open it, can you see the
floor *beneath* the drawer?

We liked the 4 door unit so we could move things to "convenient heights"
(thinking in terms of how much we want to *bend* to lift things that
we may want to access, often -- regardless of whether they are coming
out of
the *freezer* or *refrigerator* (i.e., you want a freezer AND refrigerator
on top and bottom -- without the side-by-side *forced* requirement.)

The downside is the bottom of the freezer is very low, but a sliding drawer in
it allows the most used stuff to be on top. We have an 18 cu. ft. freezer plus
another fridge so freezer space in the kitchen is of minimal need for us.

The freezer in our kitchen typically has ice and "frozen water half-bottles"
(i.e., half full with ice so you can add water and take it on a hike
minutes later -- knowing it will stay cold for most of your hike).

In Winter, SWMBO keeps frozen blueberries (which she eats with her
daily breakfast). Other times of year, they are *fresh* and kept in
the refrigerator section.

There are also many "cold packs" that we transfer to the two coolers
we carry on our weekly shopping sprees (otherwise, things don't
fare well in 100+F car interiors!).

And, some fraction of a pound of butter (e.g., 2 or 3 sticks -- entire
pounds are in the other freezer) and a bit of margarine (for pizzelles).

The freezer (in the garage) is maybe 15 feet away so easier to store
the 7 months of "fresh" OJ, 4G of spaghetti sauce, steaks, salmon fillets,
nut meats, majority of blueberries, ham steaks, chicken portions, etc.
out there where they'll stay colder and see less exposure to the
door being opened/closed.

We like the idea of the wide and easily accessed refrigerator space. Well, it
looks good, I'll have to get back to you after a couple of months of use.

The 4 door unit essentially gives you freezer, refrigerator and a
"third space" that you can convert to freezer or chiller. There are
some french door models now that have two "drawers" -- one of which
can be set to a different temperature than refrigerator or freezer.
But, the drawer form factor doesn't fit with most of the items we
keep "cooled" (i.e., it wouldn't work for tall containers unless
they were stored on their sides)

Visited a couple of dealers today. Both recommended the Samsung so that is
what we went with. Best price and service is from a small local, family owned
dealer. $100 less that Home Depot, $4400 less than a large dealer in the big
city.

Remember that they have a lot of floor space devoted to these items
so expect a fair "return" on that commitment!

Good luck with your selection!

On 12/16/2015 8:11 PM, Don Y wrote:

A drawer could have a bottom "surface" instead of the wire basket
approach. But, AFAICT, all have gone the open-weave approach.

I did not see any basket weave in these, but there has to be places
for air to
move around.

Is there a *solid* bottom to the freezer "drawer"? Or, is it,
instead, a "chicken-wire" sort of arrangement?

Said another way, if you empty the drawer and open it, can you see the
floor *beneath* the drawer?

You see the flat closed bottom. There may have been some vent slots but
nothing like a weave.




The freezer in our kitchen typically has ice and "frozen water
half-bottles"
(i.e., half full with ice so you can add water and take it on a hike
minutes later -- knowing it will stay cold for most of your hike).


We have a few of those too.


In Winter, SWMBO keeps frozen blueberries (which she eats with her
daily breakfast). Other times of year, they are *fresh* and kept in
the refrigerator section.

We have a few quarts. I use them for blueberry pancakes.


And, some fraction of a pound of butter (e.g., 2 or 3 sticks -- entire
pounds are in the other freezer) and a bit of margarine (for pizzelles).

Wife uses margarine for pizzelles too. This time of year we make quite
a few batches.



The 4 door unit essentially gives you freezer, refrigerator and a
"third space" that you can convert to freezer or chiller. There are
some french door models now that have two "drawers" -- one of which
can be set to a different temperature than refrigerator or freezer.
But, the drawer form factor doesn't fit with most of the items we
keep "cooled" (i.e., it wouldn't work for tall containers unless
they were stored on their sides)

The temperature range is 28 to 45 on the drawer. OK for short term
frozen, but not for keeping steaks for a year. My wife is looking
forward to being able to put her cheesecakes in a pan in there.



Visited a couple of dealers today. Both recommended the Samsung so
that is
what we went with. Best price and service is from a small local,
family owned
dealer. $100 less that Home Depot, $4400 less than a large dealer in
the big city.


That should be $400.


Remember that they have a lot of floor space devoted to these items
so expect a fair "return" on that commitment!

Good luck with your selection!

Thanks.

On 12/16/2015 7:07 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 12/16/2015 8:11 PM, Don Y wrote:

A drawer could have a bottom "surface" instead of the wire basket
approach. But, AFAICT, all have gone the open-weave approach.

I did not see any basket weave in these, but there has to be places
for air to
move around.

Is there a *solid* bottom to the freezer "drawer"? Or, is it,
instead, a "chicken-wire" sort of arrangement?

Said another way, if you empty the drawer and open it, can you see the
floor *beneath* the drawer?

You see the flat closed bottom. There may have been some vent slots but
nothing like a weave.

Ah, OK! Many that we looked at didn't have a solid bottom.
I.e., if you spilled a liquid into the drawer, it went straight
*through* the drawer (imagine a bottle rupturing as it freezes).

Additionally, this meant that opening the drawer (which is the *only*
way to retrieve an item) caused all of the cold air in and around the
drawer and its contents to immediately "fall out" through the open
bottom.

A freezer with a front mounted *door* lets cold air spill out
as well, though not as dramatically.

A freezer with a top-mounted *lid* suffers from none of this.

E.g., we have no qualms going in and out of the freezer (chest)
located in the garage as we don't "lose much" each time we
open the lid. OTOH, the freezer in the refrigerator dumps
lots of cold air each time we fetch something. So, we don't
leave things in there that want to *stay* cold, indefinitely.

(Also, the refrigerator's freezer self-defrosts; the chest
is manual defrost -- which we do once a year just after
Monsoon; as it is so dry here the rest of the year, there
is very little frost accumulation *until* Monsoon drives
the humidity up.)

The freezer in our kitchen typically has ice and "frozen water
half-bottles"
(i.e., half full with ice so you can add water and take it on a hike
minutes later -- knowing it will stay cold for most of your hike).

We have a few of those too.

We have a *lot*! I question SWMBO (I don't take water with me on my
"walks" as they are only an hour) as to why we can't JUST have ONE OR
TWO... but, there is some feminine logic at work that defies reason...

In Winter, SWMBO keeps frozen blueberries (which she eats with her
daily breakfast). Other times of year, they are *fresh* and kept in
the refrigerator section.

We have a few quarts. I use them for blueberry pancakes.

We buy 8 or 10 "2 pound" containers at a time. When "in season",
SWMBO goes through them quite rapidly ("blue" doesn't seem like
a normal color for something edible, IMO! Purple, maybe...).
In the "off season", she coasts on what's left from the last
big buy. Then, switches to Kirkland's frozen blueberries
when the "fresh" get outrageously priced.

There's a fair bit of coordination that happens as we try to
shift freezer space from citrus juices to spaghetti sauce to
baking supplies to blueberries, etc. Sometimes we screw up
and have too much of too many things at the same time.

E.g., I've been converting the baking *supplies* stored in there
into baked *goods* for the holidays. Thereafter, the space will
be needed for OJ.

And, some fraction of a pound of butter (e.g., 2 or 3 sticks -- entire
pounds are in the other freezer) and a bit of margarine (for pizzelles).

Wife uses margarine for pizzelles too. This time of year we make quite a few
batches.

I make ~6 doz at a time. It's hard finding places to store them to
ensure they stay fresh. Take up a lot of space for very little
*weight* (ingredients).

And, increasingly, we are noticing folks on ever more restrictive diets.
So, instead of eating several in a sitting, they'll eat *one* and
discipline themselves to avoid any more than that. This is especially
true of the buttery goodies.

So, this year I shifted emphasis primarily to biscotti for the "old folks"
and left the tastier goodies for the younger generation. Unfortunately,
I only get ~28 biscotti out of a batch. As most folks seem very happy
eating *two* at a sitting, that's just "14 doses".

By contrast, pecan sandies take only slightly longer to make and yield
maybe 17 dozens. Some of the other cookies have even higher yields
(but take considerably longer to make). E.g., cheesecake is 5 hours
and can satisfy somewhere between *6* and *24* souls -- depending on
how weary of the lipid counts they happen to be! :

The 4 door unit essentially gives you freezer, refrigerator and a
"third space" that you can convert to freezer or chiller. There are
some french door models now that have two "drawers" -- one of which
can be set to a different temperature than refrigerator or freezer.
But, the drawer form factor doesn't fit with most of the items we
keep "cooled" (i.e., it wouldn't work for tall containers unless
they were stored on their sides)

The temperature range is 28 to 45 on the drawer. OK for short term frozen, but
not for keeping steaks for a year. My wife is looking forward to being able to
put her cheesecakes in a pan in there.

We'd like the extra space for various bottled items; OJ, lemon juice,
soy sauce, sherry, milk, etc. And, the oversized containers that
are so popular at Costco (too tall to fit on nominal shelf spacing).
Thankfully, no "soda" drinkers to deal with!

Visited a couple of dealers today. Both recommended the Samsung so
that is
what we went with. Best price and service is from a small local,
family owned
dealer. $100 less that Home Depot, $4400 less than a large dealer in
the big city.

That should be $400.

Yeah, I sort of guessed that! : OTOH, many of them are in the $5K
region. "For a refrigerator? What the hell does it use, gold-plated AIR??"

Remember that they have a lot of floor space devoted to these items
so expect a fair "return" on that commitment!

Good luck with your selection!

Thanks.