Date: Thursday, November 27, 2008 12:20 PM

The Great Thanksgiving Hoax - Mises Institute
http://www.mises.org/story/336
The Great Thanksgiving Hoax
By Richard J. Maybury

Each year at this time school children all over America
are taught the official Thanksgiving story, and news
papers, radio, TV, and magazines devote vast amounts
of time and space to it. It is all very colorful and
fascinating.

It is also very deceiving. This official story is nothing
like what really happened. It is a fairy tale, a white-
washed and sanitized collection of half-truths which
divert attention away from Thanksgiving's real meaning.

The official story has the pilgrims boarding the Mayflower,
coming to America and establishing the Plymouth colony in
the winter of 1620-21. This first winter is hard, and
half the colonists die. But the survivors are hard working
and tenacious, and they learn new farming techniques from
the Indians. The harvest of 1621 is bountiful. The Pilgrims
hold a celebration, and give thanks to God. They are
grateful for the wonderful new abundant land He has given
them.

The official story then has the Pilgrims living more
or less happily ever after, each year repeating the
first Thanksgiving. Other early colonies also have hard
times at first, but they soon prosper and adopt the
annual tradition of giving thanks for this prosperous
new land called America.

The problem with this official story is that the harvest
of 1621 was not bountiful, nor were the colonists
hardworking or tenacious. 1621 was a famine year and
many of the colonists were lazy thieves. In his 'History
of Plymouth Plantation,' the governor of the colony,
William Bradford, reported that the colonists went
hungry for years, because they refused to work in the
fields. They preferred instead to steal food. He says
the colony was riddled with "corruption," and with
"confusion and discontent." The crops were small
because "much was stolen both by night and day, before
it became scarce eatable."

In the harvest feasts of 1621 and 1622, "all had their
hungry bellies filled," but only briefly. The prevailing
condition during those years was not the abundance
the official story claims, it was famine and death.
The first "Thanksgiving" was not so much a celebration
as it was the last meal of condemned men. But in
subsequent years something changes. The harvest
of 1623 was different. Suddenly, "instead of famine
now God gave them plenty," Bradford wrote, "and the
face of things was changed, to the rejoicing of the
hearts of many, for which they blessed God." Thereafter,
he wrote, "any general want or famine hath not been
amongst them since to this day." In fact, in 1624, so
much food was produced that the colonists were able
to begin exporting corn.

What happened?
After the poor harvest of 1622, writes Bradford,
"they began to think how they might raise as much
corn as they could, and obtain a better crop." They
began to question their form of economic organization.
This had required that "all profits & benefits that
are got by trade, working, fishing, or any other
means" were to be placed in the common stock of the
colony, and that, "all such persons as are of this
colony, are to have their meat, drink, apparel, and
all provisions out of the common stock." A person
was to put into the common stock all he could, and
take out only what he needed. This "from each
according to his ability, to each according to his
need" was an early form of socialism, and it is why
the Pilgrims were starving. Bradford writes that "young
men that are most able and fit for labor and service"
complained about being forced to "spend their time
and strength to work for other men's wives and children."
Also, "the strong, or man of parts, had no more in
division of victuals and clothes, than he that was weak."
So the young and strong refused to work and the total
amount of food produced was never adequate.

To rectify this situation, in 1623 Bradford abolished
socialism. He gave each household a parcel of land
and told them they could keep what they produced,
or trade it away as they saw fit. In other words, he
replaced socialism with a free market, and that was
the end of famines.

Many early groups of colonists set up socialist
states, all with the same terrible results. At
Jamestown, established in 1607, out of every
shipload of settlers that arrived, less than half
would survive their first twelve months in America.
Most of the work was being done by only one-fifth
of the men, the other four-fifths choosing to be
parasites. In the winter of 1609-10, called "The
Starving Time," the population fell from five-
hundred to sixty.

Then the Jamestown colony was converted to a free
market, and the results were every bit as dramatic
as those at Plymouth. In 1614, Colony Secretary Ralph
Hamor wrote that after the switch there was "plenty of
food, which every man by his own industry may easily
and doth procure." He said that when the socialist
system had prevailed, "we reaped not so much corn
from the labors of thirty men as three men have done
for themselves now."

Before these free markets were established, the
colonists had nothing for which to be thankful. They
were in the same situation as Ethiopians are today, and
for the same reasons. But after free markets were
established, the resulting abundance was so dramatic
that the annual Thanksgiving celebrations became
common throughout the colonies, and in 1863,
Thanksgiving became a national holiday. Thus the real
reason for Thanksgiving, deleted from the official
story, is: Socialism does not work; the one and only
source of abundance is free markets, and we thank
God we live in a country where we can have them.
* * * * *
Mr. Maybury writes on investments.

This article originally appeared in
The Free Market, November 1985.

Stormin Mormon wrote in news:91%4y.95263$WF.590
@fx30.iad:

Thus the real
reason for Thanksgiving, deleted from the official
story, is: Socialism does not work; the one and only
source of abundance is free markets,

This is heresy to democrats/liberals.

On 11/24/2015 9:05 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Date: Thursday, November 27, 2008 12:20 PM

The Great Thanksgiving Hoax - Mises Institute
http://www.mises.org/story/336
The Great Thanksgiving Hoax
By Richard J. Maybury


The article is itself a hoax, according to actual historians, rather
than Tea Party fantasists.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/21/we...nike.html?_r=0

Moe DeLoughan writes:
On 11/24/2015 9:05 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Date: Thursday, November 27, 2008 12:20 PM

The Great Thanksgiving Hoax - Mises Institute
http://www.mises.org/story/336
The Great Thanksgiving Hoax
By Richard J. Maybury


The article is itself a hoax, according to actual historians, rather
than Tea Party fantasists.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/21/we...nike.html?_r=0


Republicans are only confused by the truth, so they discard it as
convenient.

On 11/24/2015 11:17 AM, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
On 11/24/2015 9:05 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Date: Thursday, November 27, 2008 12:20 PM

The Great Thanksgiving Hoax - Mises Institute
http://www.mises.org/story/336
The Great Thanksgiving Hoax
By Richard J. Maybury


The article is itself a hoax, according to actual historians, rather
than Tea Party fantasists.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/21/we...nike.html?_r=0


I've been somewhat of a history buff and what I've learned today is that
it is constantly being re-written, mostly by liberal academics, to suit
the politics of the writer.

On 11/24/2015 12:31 PM, Frank wrote:
On 11/24/2015 11:17 AM, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
On 11/24/2015 9:05 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Date: Thursday, November 27, 2008 12:20 PM

The Great Thanksgiving Hoax - Mises Institute
http://www.mises.org/story/336
The Great Thanksgiving Hoax
By Richard J. Maybury


The article is itself a hoax, according to actual historians, rather
than Tea Party fantasists.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/21/we...nike.html?_r=0


I've been somewhat of a history buff and what I've learned today is that
it is constantly being re-written, mostly by liberal academics, to suit
the politics of the writer.

The Limbaugh version some what matches what I
was taught in government schools, back when.
It also feels more correct, to me.

I think the NY times story is as much a hoax
as the pilgrims and indians thing that is
commonly hoaxed, now days. One hoax supporting
the same hoax.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On 11/24/2015 11:17 AM, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
On 11/24/2015 9:05 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Date: Thursday, November 27, 2008 12:20 PM

The Great Thanksgiving Hoax - Mises Institute
http://www.mises.org/story/336
The Great Thanksgiving Hoax
By Richard J. Maybury


The article is itself a hoax, according to actual historians, rather
than Tea Party fantasists.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/21/we...nike.html?_r=0


Naah, another liberal socialist hoax, to
support the far left agenda hoax put forth
by biassed agenda driven fanatics who want
to destroy working America that was once
great.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

(Scott Lurndal) writes:

Moe DeLoughan writes:
On 11/24/2015 9:05 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Date: Thursday, November 27, 2008 12:20 PM

The Great Thanksgiving Hoax - Mises Institute
http://www.mises.org/story/336
The Great Thanksgiving Hoax
By Richard J. Maybury


The article is itself a hoax, according to actual historians, rather
than Tea Party fantasists.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/21/we...nike.html?_r=0

Republicans are only confused by the truth, so they discard it as
convenient.

True enough. Apparently, they also suffer from an inability to
recognize an appropriate forum for their nonsense.

BUT:

Responding to their nonsense only encourages them.
They're looking to rile people up that can see both sides
of an issue. They want us all marching in lockstep and
it frustrates them when some people think before speaking.

No offense intended, but it's a waste of time to respond.
Especially to that idiot.

Okay, back to waiting for actual home repair issues
for me.

--
Dan Espen

On Tue, 24 Nov 2015 12:45:23 -0500, Dan Espen
wrote:

Okay, back to waiting for actual home repair issues
for me.

Maybe you can spend a bit of time trying to help Al Roarke with his
toilet problem; instead of being a sniveling wimp, like a cry baby
that you are? You never offered him help. Just come here and whine.

On 11/24/2015 12:45 PM, Dan Espen wrote:
They're looking to rile people up that can see both sides
of an issue. They want us all marching in lockstep and
it frustrates them when some people think before speaking.

No offense intended, but it's a waste of time to respond.
Especially to that idiot.

Okay, back to waiting for actual home repair issues
for me.


Anyone remember the time Rush Limbaugh made a tape
of all the times the liberal talking heads used the
term "gravitas", it was about three minute of straight
quote from the liberal talking heads, who were marching
in lockstep. Frustrated because conservatives can see
both sides of the issues.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On Tuesday, November 24, 2015 at 9:05:45 AM UTC-6, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Date: Thursday, November 27, 2008 12:20 PM

The Great Thanksgiving Hoax - Mises Institute
http://www.mises.org/story/336
The Great Thanksgiving Hoax
By Richard J. Maybury

Each year at this time school children all over America
are taught the official Thanksgiving story, and news
papers, radio, TV, and magazines devote vast amounts
of time and space to it. It is all very colorful and
fascinating.

It is also very deceiving. This official story is nothing
like what really happened. It is a fairy tale, a white-
washed and sanitized collection of half-truths which
divert attention away from Thanksgiving's real meaning.

The official story has the pilgrims boarding the Mayflower,
coming to America and establishing the Plymouth colony in
the winter of 1620-21. This first winter is hard, and
half the colonists die. But the survivors are hard working
and tenacious, and they learn new farming techniques from
the Indians. The harvest of 1621 is bountiful. The Pilgrims
hold a celebration, and give thanks to God. They are
grateful for the wonderful new abundant land He has given
them.

The official story then has the Pilgrims living more
or less happily ever after, each year repeating the
first Thanksgiving. Other early colonies also have hard
times at first, but they soon prosper and adopt the
annual tradition of giving thanks for this prosperous
new land called America.

The problem with this official story is that the harvest
of 1621 was not bountiful, nor were the colonists
hardworking or tenacious. 1621 was a famine year and
many of the colonists were lazy thieves. In his 'History
of Plymouth Plantation,' the governor of the colony,
William Bradford, reported that the colonists went
hungry for years, because they refused to work in the
fields. They preferred instead to steal food. He says
the colony was riddled with "corruption," and with
"confusion and discontent." The crops were small
because "much was stolen both by night and day, before
it became scarce eatable."

In the harvest feasts of 1621 and 1622, "all had their
hungry bellies filled," but only briefly. The prevailing
condition during those years was not the abundance
the official story claims, it was famine and death.
The first "Thanksgiving" was not so much a celebration
as it was the last meal of condemned men. But in
subsequent years something changes. The harvest
of 1623 was different. Suddenly, "instead of famine
now God gave them plenty," Bradford wrote, "and the
face of things was changed, to the rejoicing of the
hearts of many, for which they blessed God." Thereafter,
he wrote, "any general want or famine hath not been
amongst them since to this day." In fact, in 1624, so
much food was produced that the colonists were able
to begin exporting corn.

What happened?
After the poor harvest of 1622, writes Bradford,
"they began to think how they might raise as much
corn as they could, and obtain a better crop." They
began to question their form of economic organization.
This had required that "all profits & benefits that
are got by trade, working, fishing, or any other
means" were to be placed in the common stock of the
colony, and that, "all such persons as are of this
colony, are to have their meat, drink, apparel, and
all provisions out of the common stock." A person
was to put into the common stock all he could, and
take out only what he needed. This "from each
according to his ability, to each according to his
need" was an early form of socialism, and it is why
the Pilgrims were starving. Bradford writes that "young
men that are most able and fit for labor and service"
complained about being forced to "spend their time
and strength to work for other men's wives and children."
Also, "the strong, or man of parts, had no more in
division of victuals and clothes, than he that was weak."
So the young and strong refused to work and the total
amount of food produced was never adequate.

To rectify this situation, in 1623 Bradford abolished
socialism. He gave each household a parcel of land
and told them they could keep what they produced,
or trade it away as they saw fit. In other words, he
replaced socialism with a free market, and that was
the end of famines.

Many early groups of colonists set up socialist
states, all with the same terrible results. At
Jamestown, established in 1607, out of every
shipload of settlers that arrived, less than half
would survive their first twelve months in America.
Most of the work was being done by only one-fifth
of the men, the other four-fifths choosing to be
parasites. In the winter of 1609-10, called "The
Starving Time," the population fell from five-
hundred to sixty.

Then the Jamestown colony was converted to a free
market, and the results were every bit as dramatic
as those at Plymouth. In 1614, Colony Secretary Ralph
Hamor wrote that after the switch there was "plenty of
food, which every man by his own industry may easily
and doth procure." He said that when the socialist
system had prevailed, "we reaped not so much corn
from the labors of thirty men as three men have done
for themselves now."

Before these free markets were established, the
colonists had nothing for which to be thankful. They
were in the same situation as Ethiopians are today, and
for the same reasons. But after free markets were
established, the resulting abundance was so dramatic
that the annual Thanksgiving celebrations became
common throughout the colonies, and in 1863,
Thanksgiving became a national holiday. Thus the real
reason for Thanksgiving, deleted from the official
story, is: Socialism does not work; the one and only
source of abundance is free markets, and we thank
God we live in a country where we can have them.
* * * * *
Mr. Maybury writes on investments.

This article originally appeared in
The Free Market, November 1985.

When I was a little kid in school, the history book left out the part about The Pilgrims eating The Indians instead it reported eating with them. It was said that young Indian maidens tasted like turkey. The truth was altered to keep from scaring us little kids and making us cry. ヽ(€¢€¿€¢)ノ

[8~{} Uncle Cannibal Monster

On 11/24/2015 05:27 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Frustrated because conservatives can see
both sides of the issues.

That would be novel, particularly the Pillsbury Doughboy.

On 11/24/2015 8:35 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Tuesday, November 24, 2015 at 9:05:45 AM UTC-6, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Thanksgiving became a national holiday. Thus the real
reason for Thanksgiving, deleted from the official
story, is: Socialism does not work; the one and only
source of abundance is free markets, and we thank
God we live in a country where we can have them.
* * * * *

When I was a little kid in school, the history
book left out the part about The Pilgrims eating
The Indians instead it reported eating with them.
It was said that young Indian maidens tasted like
turkey. The truth was altered to keep from scaring
us little kids and making us cry. ヽ(€¢€¿€¢)ノ

[8~{} Uncle Cannibal Monster


Wonder if the pilgrims enjoyed the crunchy
kid toes?

Are you descended from Pilgrim ancestry?

--
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 7:20:07 AM UTC-6, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 11/24/2015 8:35 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Tuesday, November 24, 2015 at 9:05:45 AM UTC-6, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Thanksgiving became a national holiday. Thus the real
reason for Thanksgiving, deleted from the official
story, is: Socialism does not work; the one and only
source of abundance is free markets, and we thank
God we live in a country where we can have them.
* * * * *

When I was a little kid in school, the history
book left out the part about The Pilgrims eating
The Indians instead it reported eating with them.
It was said that young Indian maidens tasted like
turkey. The truth was altered to keep from scaring
us little kids and making us cry. ヽ(€¢€¿€¢)ノ

[8~{} Uncle Cannibal Monster


Wonder if the pilgrims enjoyed the crunchy
kid toes?

Are you descended from Pilgrim ancestry?
--
.
I'm half Italian and half Hillbilly. I believe my Hillbilly progenitors were descended from the Irish, Scotch and English slaves brought to the colonies by the English so they weren't descended from The Pilgrims. Of course, Italians and Hillbillies will mate with anything so I share genes with all sorts of living things. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Genetic Monster

On 11/25/2015 07:56 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
I'm half Italian and half Hillbilly. I believe my Hillbilly progenitors were descended from the Irish, Scotch and English slaves brought to the colonies by the English so they weren't descended from The Pilgrims.

Oooh! Slaves! You're entitled to reparations, an EBT card, job
preferences, and all sorts of good things. Oops, you said 'Irish'? The
back of the bus is that way, honky.

On 11/25/2015 9:32 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 11/25/2015 07:56 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
I'm half Italian and half Hillbilly. I believe my Hillbilly
progenitors were descended from the Irish, Scotch and English slaves
brought to the colonies by the English so they weren't descended from
The Pilgrims.

Oooh! Slaves! You're entitled to reparations, an EBT card, job
preferences, and all sorts of good things. Oops, you said 'Irish'? The
back of the bus is that way, honky.


rats! {{follows Monster to the back of the bus}}

--
Maggie

On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 9:30:28 PM UTC-6, rbowman wrote:
On 11/25/2015 07:56 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
I'm half Italian and half Hillbilly. I believe my Hillbilly progenitors were descended from the Irish, Scotch and English slaves brought to the colonies by the English so they weren't descended from The Pilgrims.

Oooh! Slaves! You're entitled to reparations, an EBT card, job
preferences, and all sorts of good things. Oops, you said 'Irish'? The
back of the bus is that way, honky.

Schoolchildren should be taught the true history of the country and about ALL of the slaves who built the country. The African Negroes were not the only slaves but they get all the fraking attention. Autochthonous people of The New World sold their own slaves to European settlers in North America. There were European Caucasian people who were slaves or "Indentured Servants" which is just another way of saying slave. Caucasian slaves were often given more dangerous jobs because they weren't considered to be as valuable as Negro slaves. A lot of Chinese came to America and built most of the intercontinental railroad. If they weren't officially labeled slaves, they were certainly treated as such. It's amazing how all the different people from all over the world who had been enslaved got over it and went on to make America the greatest country in the world but those descended from African slaves wish to remain victims who are enslaved by those pandering to them. I wish my melanin enabled cousins would GET THE HELL OVER IT! ¯\_à²*_à²*_/¯

[8~{} Uncle Slave Monster

On 11/25/2015 10:32 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 11/25/2015 07:56 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
I'm half Italian and half Hillbilly. I believe my Hillbilly
progenitors were descended from the Irish, Scotch and English slaves
brought to the colonies by the English so they weren't descended from
The Pilgrims.

Oooh! Slaves! You're entitled to reparations, an EBT card, job
preferences, and all sorts of good things. Oops, you said 'Irish'? The
back of the bus is that way, honky.


Irish? No wonder Uncle Monster failed alcohol rehab so
many times! That's not diet Dew in those bottles, is
it, lad?

--
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On Wed, 25 Nov 2015 22:41:58 -0800 (PST), Uncle Monster
wrote:

Oooh! Slaves! You're entitled to reparations, an EBT card, job
preferences, and all sorts of good things. Oops, you said 'Irish'? The
back of the bus is that way, honky.

Schoolchildren should be taught the true history of the country and about ALL of the slaves who built the country. The African Negroes were not the only slaves but they get all the fraking attention. Autochthonous people of The New World sold their own slaves to European settlers in North America. There were European Caucasian people who were slaves or "Indentured Servants" which is just another way of saying slave. Caucasian slaves were often given more dangerous jobs because they weren't considered to be as valuable as Negro slaves. A lot of Chinese came to America and built most of the intercontinental railroad. If they weren't officially labeled slaves, they were certainly treated as such. It's amazing how all the different people from all over the world who had been enslaved got over it and went on to make America the greatest country in the world but those descended from African slaves wish to remain victims who are enslaved by those pandering to them. I wish my melanin
enabled
cousins would GET THE HELL OVER IT! ¯\_?_?_/¯

[8~{} Uncle Slave Monster

Read about Squanto (Plymouth)

Pilgrims were shocked he spoke English and taught them to survive.

http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Squanto.aspx