Got this from a friend:
=======================================
Chris, without power the only way that I understand
that you could communicate is by foot, horse,
bicycle, runner other than that you could shout,
maybe you can give me other Idea's.
Scott
=======================================

What ideas do we have for Scott?

-
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 8:23:57 AM UTC-4, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Got this from a friend:
=======================================
Chris, without power the only way that I understand
that you could communicate is by foot, horse,
bicycle, runner other than that you could shout,
maybe you can give me other Idea's.
Scott
=======================================

What ideas do we have for Scott?



A cell phone.

On 9/15/2015 7:23 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

Got this from a friend:
=======================================
Chris, without power the only way that I understand
that you could communicate is by foot, horse,
bicycle, runner other than that you could shout,
maybe you can give me other Idea's.
Scott
=======================================

What ideas do we have for Scott?

-
.
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
. www.lds.org
.
.


Flags, Smoke signals, tin cans and string, bike, carrier pigeons ....
telawoman probably the fastest

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...

Got this from a friend:
=======================================
Chris, without power the only way that I understand
that you could communicate is by foot, horse,
bicycle, runner other than that you could shout,
maybe you can give me other Idea's.
Scott
=======================================

What ideas do we have for Scott?


Why do you introduce the additional criteria "grid power". Scott only says
power.

It is impossible to communicate without power. Even "by foot, horse,
runner, shouting" all take power.

Scott needs to better define his question.

On 9/15/2015 8:33 AM, trader_4 wrote:
What ideas do we have for Scott?



A cell phone.


Scott's wife had a cell phone, might still have.
Running struggle to buy minutes for it. Cell phones
rely on towers, which might or might not have
backup power.

Their residential phone number comes over the
internet cable which goes dead with the power
failure. They also use cordless phones, which
go dead with the power failure.

The last couple power cuts, my residential phone
worked fine. And the cell phone also worked.

-
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On 9/15/2015 8:34 AM, Since You Axed wrote:

Flags, Smoke signals, tin cans and string, bike, carrier pigeons ....
telawoman probably the fastest

Reminds me of the old one about three
ways to communicate at the speed of light.

-
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On 9/15/2015 8:37 AM, taxed and spent wrote:
Why do you introduce the additional criteria "grid power". Scott only says
power.

It is impossible to communicate without power. Even "by foot, horse,
runner, shouting" all take power.

Scott needs to better define his question.


That's a big picture, attention to detail
way to look at it.

-
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 8:37:22 AM UTC-4, taxed and spent wrote:
"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...

Got this from a friend:
=======================================
Chris, without power the only way that I understand
that you could communicate is by foot, horse,
bicycle, runner other than that you could shout,
maybe you can give me other Idea's.
Scott
=======================================

What ideas do we have for Scott?


Why do you introduce the additional criteria "grid power". Scott only says
power.

It is impossible to communicate without power. Even "by foot, horse,
runner, shouting" all take power.

Scott needs to better define his question.

+1

We don't know if without power means from a physics sense,
in which case even a cell phone or battery operated radio is out,
or if it just means when the electric utility service is out.

And then be able to communicate with whom, where are they
located and for what purpose?

On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 7:45:32 AM UTC-5, Stormin Mormon wrote:

They also use cordless phones, which
go dead with the power failure.

....pointless statement because there would be no power to the phone modem.

"bob_villa" wrote in message
...
On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 7:45:32 AM UTC-5, Stormin Mormon wrote:

They also use cordless phones, which
go dead with the power failure.

...pointless statement because there would be no power to the phone modem.

all my home telco/ISP/WIFI equipment is on a UPS.

On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 7:23:57 AM UTC-5, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Got this from a friend:
=======================================
Chris, without power the only way that I understand
that you could communicate is by foot, horse,
bicycle, runner other than that you could shout,
maybe you can give me other Idea's.
Scott
=======================================

What ideas do we have for Scott?
-


Holy crap Stormy! You knew darn well your post would bring the squirrels out of the trees.... I'm gonna go play with my nuts now. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Tree Monster

On 9/15/2015 8:23 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

Got this from a friend:
=======================================
Chris, without power the only way that I understand
that you could communicate is by foot, horse,
bicycle, runner other than that you could shout,
maybe you can give me other Idea's.
Scott
=======================================


hilltop signal fires,
drums,
semaphore flags on hilltops,
light reflecting from mirrors on hilltops.
tin cans and string.
dry garden hose (for short distances), think of the tubes used to
communicate between decks in old ships.
pigeons

On 09/15/2015 07:22 AM, taxed and spent wrote:
"bob_villa" wrote in message
...
On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 7:45:32 AM UTC-5, Stormin Mormon wrote:

They also use cordless phones, which
go dead with the power failure.

...pointless statement because there would be no power to the phone modem.

all my home telco/ISP/WIFI equipment is on a UPS.

How big is your battery bank? We had a problem this summer where about
10,000 were without power for over three days. Can you operate that long
after the lights go out?

On 09/15/2015 08:23 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

Got this from a friend:
=======================================
Chris, without power the only way that I understand
that you could communicate is by foot, horse,
bicycle, runner other than that you could shout,
maybe you can give me other Idea's.
Scott
=======================================

What ideas do we have for Scott?

You fire up the amateur radio transceiver in your car -- or the one at
home for which you have well-maintained standby batteries.

"When all else fails... There's Amateur Radio."

Amateur Radio was used when the cell-phone towers on top of the World
Trade Center were put out of action. Amateur Radio was used in the
search for the debris from the space shuttle that was scattered over
remote areas of Texas with no cell-phone service.

Perce

"rbowman" wrote in message
...
On 09/15/2015 07:22 AM, taxed and spent wrote:
"bob_villa" wrote in message
...
On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 7:45:32 AM UTC-5, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

They also use cordless phones, which
go dead with the power failure.

...pointless statement because there would be no power to the phone
modem.

all my home telco/ISP/WIFI equipment is on a UPS.

How big is your battery bank? We had a problem this summer where about
10,000 were without power for over three days. Can you operate that long
after the lights go out?



oh, no. I don't know how long I could operate. I really should unjumble
that rat's nest of wires and figure out what is really connected to the UPS.
I know my printer/fax is, in case there was an incoming fax. But now that I
am on voicemail, the fax is no longer automatic - time to power it from
other than the UPS. I can't remember the last time I received a fax,
either.

My theory is I could always power from the car in some fashion or another.
Or drag out the generator, which I might to run my fridge if we were really
out that long.

My better theory is - aw, just forget about it and get some sleep.

On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 8:27:43 AM UTC-5, taxed and spent wrote:
"bob_villa" wrote in message
...
On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 7:45:32 AM UTC-5, Stormin Mormon wrote:

They also use cordless phones, which
go dead with the power failure.

...pointless statement because there would be no power to the phone modem.

all my home telco/ISP/WIFI equipment is on a UPS.

....happy for you! ( ͡ʘ•*͜ʖ•®Í¡Ê˜)

On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 08:23:52 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:


Got this from a friend:
=======================================
Chris, without power the only way that I understand
that you could communicate is by foot, horse,
bicycle, runner other than that you could shout,
maybe you can give me other Idea's.
Scott
=======================================

What ideas do we have for Scott?

-
.
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
. www.lds.org
.
.

Bear in mind, we had telegraph systems in the US 50 years before there
was a power grid. The POTS phone system seems to work fairly well when
the grid is down too.
It is only the very late 20th century systems that are so reliant on
grid power.
As another poster pointed out, radio systems can be completely
separate from all traditional infrastructure. With solar charged
batteries, they can go on indefinitely with no central infrastructure
at all. Combining radio with digital transmission could increase the
effective bandwidth far beyond the limitations of voice communication.
The only reason why we consider grid power to be absolutely essential
to communication is because it was cheap and reliable when our current
systems were developed. There are certainly alternatives.

Per :
As another poster pointed out, radio systems can be completely
separate from all traditional infrastructure. With solar charged
batteries, they can go on indefinitely with no central infrastructure
at all. Combining radio with digital transmission could increase the
effective bandwidth far beyond the limitations of voice communication.
The only reason why we consider grid power to be absolutely essential
to communication is because it was cheap and reliable when our current
systems were developed. There are certainly alternatives.

I always thought that it would be useful to have a standard for power
sources on cell phone towers, repeaters, and so-forth so that, in a
disaster, a given tower/node can be powered using the omnipresent
12-volt automobile battery.
--
Pete Cresswell

"(PeteCresswell)" wrote in message
...
Per :
As another poster pointed out, radio systems can be completely
separate from all traditional infrastructure. With solar charged
batteries, they can go on indefinitely with no central infrastructure
at all. Combining radio with digital transmission could increase the
effective bandwidth far beyond the limitations of voice communication.
The only reason why we consider grid power to be absolutely essential
to communication is because it was cheap and reliable when our current
systems were developed. There are certainly alternatives.

I always thought that it would be useful to have a standard for power
sources on cell phone towers, repeaters, and so-forth so that, in a
disaster, a given tower/node can be powered using the omnipresent
12-volt automobile battery.
--

Not enough power. The cell sites I have seen have a line voltage socket for
a temporary generator, and a transfer switch. (as well as a bank of
batteries always charged and at the ready).

I have to wonder how many generators will be available in an emergency to
power such facilities not equipped with their own dedicated generator.

On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 08:23:52 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:


Got this from a friend:
=======================================
Chris, without power the only way that I understand
that you could communicate is by foot, horse,
bicycle, runner other than that you could shout,
maybe you can give me other Idea's.
Scott
=======================================

What ideas do we have for Scott?

Aboriginal message sticks
Aboriginal sign languages
Pencil & Paper
Rumor Mill
Pony Express
Long distance runners
Psychic Mediums
Ouija Board
Voodoo

writes:
On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 08:23:52 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:


Got this from a friend:
=======================================
Chris, without power the only way that I understand
that you could communicate is by foot, horse,
bicycle, runner other than that you could shout,
maybe you can give me other Idea's.
Scott
=======================================

What ideas do we have for Scott?

First idea would be to study history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beacon...communications
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semaphore_line
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoke_signal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulic_telegraph

On 09/15/2015 08:22 AM, taxed and spent wrote:
"bob_villa" wrote in message
...
On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 7:45:32 AM UTC-5, Stormin Mormon wrote:

They also use cordless phones, which
go dead with the power failure.

...pointless statement because there would be no power to the phone modem.

all my home telco/ISP/WIFI equipment is on a UPS.



A tornado passed by here in May. Wired phone was out for several days.
UPS didn't matter. No problems with water (city has a generator).

BTW, cell phones still worked (I had Verizon and Sprint phones, so I
know those worked).

--
101 days until the winter celebration (Friday December 25, 2015 12:00:00
AM for 1 day).

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Is reading in the bathroom considered as multi-tasking?"

On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 11:33:15 -0500, Mark Lloyd
wrote:

On 09/15/2015 08:22 AM, taxed and spent wrote:
"bob_villa" wrote in message
...
On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 7:45:32 AM UTC-5, Stormin Mormon wrote:

They also use cordless phones, which
go dead with the power failure.

...pointless statement because there would be no power to the phone modem.

all my home telco/ISP/WIFI equipment is on a UPS.



A tornado passed by here in May. Wired phone was out for several days.
UPS didn't matter. No problems with water (city has a generator).

BTW, cell phones still worked (I had Verizon and Sprint phones, so I
know those worked).

Interesting.
I have never lost POTS service in 32 years of hurricanes and lesser
storms. It helps a lot that our phone system uses buried fiber up to
the head end on the street and buried copper for the last leg to the
house. It also makes DSL go pretty fast.
I ditched Comcast after Charley when we were down for 2 1/2 weeks and
when Wilma hit, my DSL was only out for about an hour. The phone
itself kept going and I was able to do stuff online on dial up.
The satellite was useless during the actual storm but was back right
after. My antenna still got the local news just fine throughout the
whole storm.

http://www.winlink.org/content/e_mai...thout_internet

E-mail With or Without the Internet

This Powerpoint presentation describes the Winlink system in all it's
modes of operation--from the traditional, internet-linked server network
to the Hybrid and Peer-to-Peer RF-linked networks that provide both fast
message transport and reliable delivery with or without working internet
connections. Introduces radio-only operation for users.


Amateur Radio License NOT included!

On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 13:47:08 -0400, Steve Stone
wrote:

http://www.winlink.org/content/e_mai...thout_internet

E-mail With or Without the Internet

This Powerpoint presentation describes the Winlink system in all it's
modes of operation--from the traditional, internet-linked server network
to the Hybrid and Peer-to-Peer RF-linked networks that provide both fast
message transport and reliable delivery with or without working internet
connections. Introduces radio-only operation for users.


Amateur Radio License NOT included!



I remember E-mail long before the internet was available to the
masses. Services like Compuserve were out there when PCs in the home
were still fairly rare. By the time the IBM PC started rolling out in
any real quantity we had Prodigy and later AOL. They were fairly
mature services by the time the internet was added.

Internally many companies had E-mail under different names and there
was usually a dial up portal into the network.

On 2015-09-15, wrote:
I remember E-mail long before the internet was available to the
masses. Services like Compuserve were out there when PCs in the home
were still fairly rare.

We also had Usenet mail, which needed to be manually routed using
"bang paths" to the destination. Users would usually give their
email addresses in relation to a well-known host such as ihnp4
or decwrl, such as:

...ihnp4!invxc!isrnix!zipvax!gomez

So in the above example (based on a piece of scrap paper in my drawer)
if you knew the path to "ihnp4" you could then complete the path to send
email to user gomez on host zipvax.

This was in the days when Usenet was still transported over UUCP rather
than the internet, and dinosaurs roamed the earth.

--
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Roger Blake (Change "invalid" to "com" for email. Google Groups killfiled.)

NSA sedition and treason -- http://www.DeathToNSAthugs.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

On 9/15/2015 11:24 AM, taxed and spent wrote:
"(PeteCresswell)" wrote in message

I always thought that it would be useful to have a standard for power
sources on cell phone towers, repeaters, and so-forth so that, in a
disaster, a given tower/node can be powered using the omnipresent
12-volt automobile battery.
--

Not enough power. The cell sites I have seen have a line voltage socket for
a temporary generator, and a transfer switch. (as well as a bank of
batteries always charged and at the ready).

I have to wonder how many generators will be available in an emergency to
power such facilities not equipped with their own dedicated generator.


Can't remember where I read, might been here. Anyhow,
a phone company decided to save expenses by using
mobile generators, and shuttle them from cell site
to site. One of the local workers reminded them that
during ice storms, it's near to impossible to drive
any where, much less up cell phone hills to get to
the towers.

-
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
On 9/15/2015 11:24 AM, taxed and spent wrote:
"(PeteCresswell)" wrote in message

I always thought that it would be useful to have a standard for power
sources on cell phone towers, repeaters, and so-forth so that, in a
disaster, a given tower/node can be powered using the omnipresent
12-volt automobile battery.
--

Not enough power. The cell sites I have seen have a line voltage socket
for
a temporary generator, and a transfer switch. (as well as a bank of
batteries always charged and at the ready).

I have to wonder how many generators will be available in an emergency to
power such facilities not equipped with their own dedicated generator.


Can't remember where I read, might been here. Anyhow,
a phone company decided to save expenses by using
mobile generators, and shuttle them from cell site
to site. One of the local workers reminded them that
during ice storms, it's near to impossible to drive
any where, much less up cell phone hills to get to
the towers.

Most cell towers are down in the flatlands, with the cell phones. But, a
good point.

On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 3:19:17 PM UTC-5, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2015-09-15, wrote:
I remember E-mail long before the internet was available to the
masses. Services like Compuserve were out there when PCs in the home
were still fairly rare.

We also had Usenet mail, which needed to be manually routed using
"bang paths" to the destination. Users would usually give their
email addresses in relation to a well-known host such as ihnp4
or decwrl, such as:

...ihnp4!invxc!isrnix!zipvax!gomez

So in the above example (based on a piece of scrap paper in my drawer)
if you knew the path to "ihnp4" you could then complete the path to send
email to user gomez on host zipvax.

This was in the days when Usenet was still transported over UUCP rather
than the internet, and dinosaurs roamed the earth.
--


I remember accessing newsgroups on a dialup BBS via FidoNet. Computers were more fun in those days back before every moron had one. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Net Monster

On 9/15/2015 3:20 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 13:47:08 -0400, Steve Stone
wrote:


I remember E-mail long before the internet was available to the
masses. Services like Compuserve were out there when PCs in the home
were still fairly rare. By the time the IBM PC started rolling out in
any real quantity we had Prodigy and later AOL. They were fairly
mature services by the time the internet was added.

Internally many companies had E-mail under different names and there
was usually a dial up portal into the network.


I was a Fidonet SysOp for a few years, running RBBS-PC on an 8088 based
IBM PC with over 500 users.

Prodigy was originally called Trintex, a joint venture between three
companies.
It was the first online service I had seen with ads running on the
bottom of the screen.

I go back a ways in telecommunications. My first "IT" job was stripping
down Teletype machines for rebuilding at a Western Union shop in Mahwah , NJ

Steve

Can't remember where I read, might been here. Anyhow,
a phone company decided to save expenses by using
mobile generators, and shuttle them from cell site
to site. One of the local workers reminded them that
during ice storms, it's near to impossible to drive
any where, much less up cell phone hills to get to
the towers.


A local ham radio club has a few repeaters co sited at friendly
cellphone tower sites.
Those with stationary diesel generators usually only have enough fuel to
last 3 days.

Steve

"Steve Stone" wrote in message
...
On 9/15/2015 3:20 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 13:47:08 -0400, Steve Stone
wrote:


I remember E-mail long before the internet was available to the
masses. Services like Compuserve were out there when PCs in the home
were still fairly rare. By the time the IBM PC started rolling out in
any real quantity we had Prodigy and later AOL. They were fairly
mature services by the time the internet was added.

Internally many companies had E-mail under different names and there
was usually a dial up portal into the network.


I was a Fidonet SysOp for a few years, running RBBS-PC on an 8088 based
IBM PC with over 500 users.

Prodigy was originally called Trintex, a joint venture between three
companies.
It was the first online service I had seen with ads running on the bottom
of the screen.

I go back a ways in telecommunications. My first "IT" job was stripping
down Teletype machines for rebuilding at a Western Union shop in Mahwah ,
NJ


I had my own teletype machines when I was a kid. Cool gear!

On 9/15/2015 5:37 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 3:19:17 PM UTC-5, Roger Blake wrote:

This was in the days when Usenet was still transported over UUCP rather
than the internet, and dinosaurs roamed the earth.
--


I remember accessing newsgroups on a dialup BBS via FidoNet. Computers were more fun in those days back before every moron had one. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Net Monster


I remember when you had to move the beads on the board with all the
holes in it.

-
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:24:58 -0400, Steve Stone
wrote:


Can't remember where I read, might been here. Anyhow,
a phone company decided to save expenses by using
mobile generators, and shuttle them from cell site
to site. One of the local workers reminded them that
during ice storms, it's near to impossible to drive
any where, much less up cell phone hills to get to
the towers.


A local ham radio club has a few repeaters co sited at friendly
cellphone tower sites.
Those with stationary diesel generators usually only have enough fuel to
last 3 days.

Steve


We had a few guys at work who were running TTY on ham radio. I wasn't
really into that but I did install one of the first Arpanet terminals
in the DC area. (Army STRATCOM in Olney)

It was a real "hole in the ground" ;-)

On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 6:36:00 PM UTC-5, taxed and spent wrote:
"Steve Stone" wrote in message
...
On 9/15/2015 3:20 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 13:47:08 -0400, Steve Stone
wrote:


I remember E-mail long before the internet was available to the
masses. Services like Compuserve were out there when PCs in the home
were still fairly rare. By the time the IBM PC started rolling out in
any real quantity we had Prodigy and later AOL. They were fairly
mature services by the time the internet was added.

Internally many companies had E-mail under different names and there
was usually a dial up portal into the network.


I was a Fidonet SysOp for a few years, running RBBS-PC on an 8088 based
IBM PC with over 500 users.

Prodigy was originally called Trintex, a joint venture between three
companies.
It was the first online service I had seen with ads running on the bottom
of the screen.

I go back a ways in telecommunications. My first "IT" job was stripping
down Teletype machines for rebuilding at a Western Union shop in Mahwah ,
NJ


I had my own teletype machines when I was a kid. Cool gear!

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't there an interface to connect a teletype machine to an early IBM PC? I could swear I saw something like it in one of the electronics magazines back in the 80's. o_O

[8~{} Uncle PC Monster

On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 7:10:28 PM UTC-5, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 9/15/2015 5:37 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 3:19:17 PM UTC-5, Roger Blake wrote:

This was in the days when Usenet was still transported over UUCP rather
than the internet, and dinosaurs roamed the earth.
--


I remember accessing newsgroups on a dialup BBS via FidoNet. Computers were more fun in those days back before every moron had one. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Net Monster


I remember when you had to move the beads on the board with all the
holes in it.
-
.

Those old analog computers were very slow. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Sliding Monster

"Uncle Monster" wrote in message
...
On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 6:36:00 PM UTC-5, taxed and spent wrote:
"Steve Stone" wrote in message
...
On 9/15/2015 3:20 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 13:47:08 -0400, Steve Stone
wrote:


I remember E-mail long before the internet was available to the
masses. Services like Compuserve were out there when PCs in the home
were still fairly rare. By the time the IBM PC started rolling out in
any real quantity we had Prodigy and later AOL. They were fairly
mature services by the time the internet was added.

Internally many companies had E-mail under different names and there
was usually a dial up portal into the network.


I was a Fidonet SysOp for a few years, running RBBS-PC on an 8088 based
IBM PC with over 500 users.

Prodigy was originally called Trintex, a joint venture between three
companies.
It was the first online service I had seen with ads running on the
bottom
of the screen.

I go back a ways in telecommunications. My first "IT" job was stripping
down Teletype machines for rebuilding at a Western Union shop in Mahwah
,
NJ


I had my own teletype machines when I was a kid. Cool gear!

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't there an interface to connect a
teletype machine to an early IBM PC? I could swear I saw something like it
in one of the electronics magazines back in the 80's. o_O

yes, TTYs were a common computer interface back then. Where else would you
find a computer printer?

"Percival P. Cassidy" wrote:
On 09/15/2015 08:23 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

Got this from a friend:
=======================================
Chris, without power the only way that I understand
that you could communicate is by foot, horse,
bicycle, runner other than that you could shout,
maybe you can give me other Idea's.
Scott
=======================================

What ideas do we have for Scott?

You fire up the amateur radio transceiver in your car -- or the one at
home for which you have well-maintained standby batteries.

"When all else fails... There's Amateur Radio."

Amateur Radio was used when the cell-phone towers on top of the World
Trade Center were put out of action. Amateur Radio was used in the search
for the debris from the space shuttle that was scattered over remote
areas of Texas with no cell-phone service.

Perce

CB radio too, batteries, solar charging. Amateur repeaters will not work on
battery for long without solar backup.

Greg

On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 8:03:26 PM UTC-5, taxed and spent wrote:
"Uncle Monster" wrote in message
...
On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 6:36:00 PM UTC-5, taxed and spent wrote:
"Steve Stone" wrote in message
...
On 9/15/2015 3:20 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 13:47:08 -0400, Steve Stone
wrote:


I remember E-mail long before the internet was available to the
masses. Services like Compuserve were out there when PCs in the home
were still fairly rare. By the time the IBM PC started rolling out in
any real quantity we had Prodigy and later AOL. They were fairly
mature services by the time the internet was added.

Internally many companies had E-mail under different names and there
was usually a dial up portal into the network.


I was a Fidonet SysOp for a few years, running RBBS-PC on an 8088 based
IBM PC with over 500 users.

Prodigy was originally called Trintex, a joint venture between three
companies.
It was the first online service I had seen with ads running on the
bottom
of the screen.

I go back a ways in telecommunications. My first "IT" job was stripping
down Teletype machines for rebuilding at a Western Union shop in Mahwah
,
NJ


I had my own teletype machines when I was a kid. Cool gear!

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't there an interface to connect a
teletype machine to an early IBM PC? I could swear I saw something like it
in one of the electronics magazines back in the 80's. o_O

yes, TTYs were a common computer interface back then. Where else would you
find a computer printer?

A printer for a computer was quite expensive back in the good old days. I did have an electric typewriter that worked as a printer for a dedicated word processor that I'd picked up as surplus back in the early 90's and it would also hook up to a PC. There were a lot of modified IBM Selectric typewriters around at one time for use as printers for PC's. You have to admit that computers were more fun back when you had to tinker with them all the time like they were British sports cars. Now computers are fraking appliances. Chromie (yea I named him) my cute little Chromebook is pretty much turn on and go. I did add memory to double it to 4Gb and stick a 32Gb memory card in the front slot plus I've installed a number of extensions/apps to modify and improve its operation but all in all it's trouble free. This little Chromebook weighs 3 lb and it's easy for me to handle with my fraked up shoulders. Chromie keeps me from going "completely" bonkers while I'm stuck in this damn bed. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Bonkers Monster

On 09/15/2015 12:34 PM, wrote:

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Interesting.
I have never lost POTS service in 32 years of hurricanes and lesser
storms. It helps a lot that our phone system uses buried fiber up to
the head end on the street and buried copper for the last leg to the
house. It also makes DSL go pretty fast.

I might not have lost wired phone if the wires were underground here.
Instead they're overhead, and in the middle of the block around a lot of
trees.

I ditched Comcast after Charley when we were down for 2 1/2 weeks and
when Wilma hit, my DSL was only out for about an hour. The phone
itself kept going and I was able to do stuff online on dial up.
The satellite was useless during the actual storm but was back right
after. My antenna still got the local news just fine throughout the
whole storm.


I had wireless internet through Sprint. As for TV, antenna would work
but I had plenty of DVR recordings.

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