On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 09:20:33 -0700, Oren wrote:
Examples please?

Unjust: muggings

Just: self defense


Okay. I was talking about administering justice in the
name of the law - it isn't "violence".


Technically, if a behavior involves physical force intended to hurt,
damage, or kill that is the definition of violence. So, even a just
sentence can be violence.

SCOTUS just ruled, multiple states can use a specific
drug on death row. A drug the crooks are afraid of.

Not sure what your point is...

--
Maggie

On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 11:26:26 -0500, Muggles wrote:

Okay. I was talking about administering justice in the
name of the law - it isn't "violence".


Technically, if a behavior involves physical force intended to hurt,
damage, or kill that is the definition of violence. So, even a just
sentence can be violence.


In this case, the cop that shot this escapee was acting under
color-of-law. Justified.

SCOTUS just ruled, multiple states can use a specific
drug on death row. A drug the crooks are afraid of.

Not sure what your point is...


The lib's say execution is cruel and unusual. SCOTUS says different as
does law.

On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 09:34:14 -0700, Oren wrote:
Technically, if a behavior involves physical force
intended to hurt, damage, or kill that is the
definition of violence. So, even a just sentence can
be violence.

In this case, the cop that shot this escapee was
acting under color-of-law. Justified.

Then wouldn't it also be considered violence that is justified?

SCOTUS just ruled, multiple states can use a
specific drug on death row. A drug the crooks are
afraid of.

Not sure what your point is...

The lib's say execution is cruel and unusual. SCOTUS
says different as does law.

I think 'cruel and unusual' is so open to interpretation that it's
become a moot argument. I think the punishment under the law should
fit the crime.

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Maggie

On Monday, June 29, 2015 at 9:35:17 AM UTC-7, Oren wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jun 2015 09:28:44 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Monday, June 29, 2015 at 12:03:42 PM UTC-4, Oren wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 19:23:37 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
wrote:

I heard on the news about the autopsy done on the first escaped convict taken down. The report said he was shot in the head three times and that he had numerous scrapes and insect bites all over his body. I wonder if the insect bites were responsible for his death? o_O

[8~{} Uncle Bug Monster

Can't say. I'd take three dear flies over 1,000 cops hovering around
and on the prowl.

The last one of the two was unarmed and was shot twice in the back by a cop.
Will Al Sharpton be there protesting?

No. He is afraid of dear flies, tough terrain and white people.

The cop is justified in this shooting. Generally speaking, a Peace
Officer is required to return the escapee to custody. By whatever
means. He/she may not get the reward.

Justified in this case yes. Apprehension of a dangerous felon. In general No a cop cannot shoot a fleeing criminal without a lot more that just fleeing being involved.

Harry K

On Monday, June 29, 2015 at 10:07:41 AM UTC-7, trader_4 wrote:
On Monday, June 29, 2015 at 12:35:17 PM UTC-4, Oren wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jun 2015 09:28:44 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Monday, June 29, 2015 at 12:03:42 PM UTC-4, Oren wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 19:23:37 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
wrote:

I heard on the news about the autopsy done on the first escaped convict taken down. The report said he was shot in the head three times and that he had numerous scrapes and insect bites all over his body. I wonder if the insect bites were responsible for his death? o_O

[8~{} Uncle Bug Monster

Can't say. I'd take three dear flies over 1,000 cops hovering around
and on the prowl.

The last one of the two was unarmed and was shot twice in the back by a cop.
Will Al Sharpton be there protesting?

No. He is afraid of dear flies, tough terrain and white people.

The cop is justified in this shooting. Generally speaking, a Peace
Officer is required to return the escapee to custody. By whatever
means. He/she may not get the reward.

The question is, would the cop be justified if he was white
and the escapee was black?

Of course not. Sharpton would be all over him and riots would break out everywhere.

Harry K

On Monday, June 29, 2015 at 6:20:10 PM UTC-7, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Monday, June 29, 2015 at 11:03:42 AM UTC-5, Oren wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 19:23:37 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
wrote:

I heard on the news about the autopsy done on the first escaped convict taken down. The report said he was shot in the head three times and that he had numerous scrapes and insect bites all over his body. I wonder if the insect bites were responsible for his death? o_O

[8~{} Uncle Bug Monster

Can't say. I'd take three dear flies over 1,000 cops hovering around
and on the prowl.

One news report I heard said that the cost of hunting down the escapees was on the order of one million dollars a day. I wonder if over $21 million could have built a new escape proof maximum security prison? O_o

[8~{} Uncle Prison Monster

In today's society? NOt a chance, it would take that much just to generate all the paperwork needed to get the plans approved.

Harry K

On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 09:50:34 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:

Justified in this case yes. Apprehension of a dangerous felon. In general No a cop cannot shoot a fleeing criminal without a lot more that just fleeing being involved.

Sorry. LEO can shoot a fleeing felon. Armed or unarmed.

Take note of Ferguson?

On Tuesday, June 30, 2015 at 9:39:03 AM UTC-5, Oren wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jun 2015 18:20:06 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
wrote:

One news report I heard said that the cost of hunting down the escapees was on the order of one million dollars a day. I wonder if over $21 million could have built a new escape proof maximum security prison? O_o

If you are lucky, $21 Million *might* build the sewer treatment plant
needed in new construction.

Perhaps a few upgrades to the existing prison? o_O

[8~{} Uncle Cell Monster

On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 10:08:12 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
wrote:

On Tuesday, June 30, 2015 at 9:39:03 AM UTC-5, Oren wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jun 2015 18:20:06 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
wrote:

One news report I heard said that the cost of hunting down the escapees was on the order of one million dollars a day. I wonder if over $21 million could have built a new escape proof maximum security prison? O_o

If you are lucky, $21 Million *might* build the sewer treatment plant
needed in new construction.

Perhaps a few upgrades to the existing prison? o_O

[8~{} Uncle Cell Monster

Renovating two cell blocks at USP-Lewisburg, PA was $63 Million circa
'92. In this case - employees need a training upgrade to stop escapes.

It takes time to filter women that fornicate with convicts.

On 6/30/2015 12:34 PM, Oren wrote:



The lib's say execution is cruel and unusual. SCOTUS says different as
does law.


Only reason I'm against execution is the cost of the way we do it.
Mandatory appeals and dragging things out and costing tax payers
millions of dollars.

Put the electric chair in the courtroom and get it done quickly.

You did it? OK, bye. Bang.

prisons need automation to increase security and augment guards who fall for the rolled up clothes in the bunk.

in single cells, 1 inmate per cell.

put a box with 4 lights and 4 buttons. when the tone sounds the inmate goes to the box, 4 lights come on, if the inmate doesnt push the button under each light, they light randomly.

no one to push the buttons sounds the alarm. if a inmate isnt following the rules have them, have them push the buttons more often like every 2 hours even at night.

if anyone did try to escape it would be detected fast. prisoners might decide escape is impossible.

if inmates refused to comply take away privelages like tv, cooking in cell, reduce cell light levels, cut the amount of food they get to substance levels, no more visitors.

guards would still be needed, but automation can make things safer.

just adding motion detectors in areas that should never have movement. would help too.

the prison in new york should be downgraded to medium or minimum security and a new max security facility built

On Tuesday, June 30, 2015 at 9:58:14 AM UTC-7, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 09:50:34 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:

Justified in this case yes. Apprehension of a dangerous felon. In general No a cop cannot shoot a fleeing criminal without a lot more that just fleeing being involved.

Sorry. LEO can shoot a fleeing felon. Armed or unarmed.

Take note of Ferguson?

Not without more than that they can't. 15 years in LE.

Harry K

On Tuesday, June 30, 2015 at 6:51:38 PM UTC-5, bob haller wrote:
prisons need automation to increase security and augment guards who fall for the rolled up clothes in the bunk.

in single cells, 1 inmate per cell.

put a box with 4 lights and 4 buttons. when the tone sounds the inmate goes to the box, 4 lights come on, if the inmate doesnt push the button under each light, they light randomly.

no one to push the buttons sounds the alarm. if a inmate isnt following the rules have them, have them push the buttons more often like every 2 hours even at night.

if anyone did try to escape it would be detected fast. prisoners might decide escape is impossible.

if inmates refused to comply take away privelages like tv, cooking in cell, reduce cell light levels, cut the amount of food they get to substance levels, no more visitors.

guards would still be needed, but automation can make things safer.

just adding motion detectors in areas that should never have movement. would help too.

the prison in new york should be downgraded to medium or minimum security and a new max security facility built

I think and exploding collar on each prisoner would do the trick. Like the invisible fence for dogs for dogs. The prisoner gets close to the perimeter and the collar starts beeping to warn the to back away. Of course the collar could be equipped with a Taser and GPS like tracking which could work with a system similar to WiFi. Oh crap! A hacker could gain access to the system and set off all the collars at one time. What a mess that would make. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Cruel & Unusual Monster

On 7/1/2015 1:16 AM, Uncle Monster wrote:

I think and exploding collar on each prisoner would do
the trick. Like the invisible fence for dogs for dogs. The
prisoner gets close to the perimeter and the collar starts
beeping to warn the to back away. Of course the collar
could be equipped with a Taser and GPS like tracking
which could work with a system similar to WiFi. Oh crap!
A hacker could gain access to the system and set off all
the collars at one time. What a mess that would make. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Cruel & Unusual Monster


I'd be similar concerned about a warden who had
personal agenda. Just imagine a religeous warden
who decided to shock all the "other" type of
inmates.

We have enough troubles in the world. The GPS
collar could be useful.

-
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On 7/1/2015 8:09 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 7/1/2015 1:16 AM, Uncle Monster wrote:

I think and exploding collar on each prisoner would do
the trick. Like the invisible fence for dogs for dogs. The
prisoner gets close to the perimeter and the collar starts
beeping to warn the to back away. Of course the collar
could be equipped with a Taser and GPS like tracking
which could work with a system similar to WiFi. Oh crap!
A hacker could gain access to the system and set off all
the collars at one time. What a mess that would make. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Cruel & Unusual Monster


I'd be similar concerned about a warden who had
personal agenda. Just imagine a religious warden
who decided to shock all the "other" type of
inmates.

We have enough troubles in the world. The GPS
collar could be useful.


The government now installs a tracker chip when you get a colonoscopy.
They want to know what kind of crap you are up to.

"Oren" wrote in message ...

On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 11:26:26 -0500, Muggles wrote:

Okay. I was talking about administering justice in the
name of the law - it isn't "violence".


Technically, if a behavior involves physical force intended to hurt,
damage, or kill that is the definition of violence. So, even a just
sentence can be violence.


In this case, the cop that shot this escapee was acting under
color-of-law. Justified.

SCOTUS just ruled, multiple states can use a specific
drug on death row. A drug the crooks are afraid of.

Not sure what your point is...


The point is that yer a violent arsehole who should spend some hard prison
time in solitary.
LOL

On Wed, 01 Jul 2015 09:37:26 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
The government now installs a tracker chip when you
get a colonoscopy. They want to know what kind of
crap you are up to.

LOLOL!

--
Maggie

On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 19:55:31 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:

On Tuesday, June 30, 2015 at 9:58:14 AM UTC-7, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 09:50:34 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:

Justified in this case yes. Apprehension of a dangerous felon. In general No a cop cannot shoot a fleeing criminal without a lot more that just fleeing being involved.

Sorry. LEO can shoot a fleeing felon. Armed or unarmed.

Take note of Ferguson?

Not without more than that they can't. 15 years in LE.

Harry K

Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1 (1985):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_v._Garner

"...when a law enforcement officer is pursuing a fleeing suspect, he
or she may not use deadly force to prevent escape unless "the officer
has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant
threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others.""

[...]

"In her dissent, Justice O'Connor highlighted the fact that police
officers must often make swift, spur-of-the-moment decisions while on
patrol, and argued that the majority did not properly consider this
aspect of the case. Moreover, burglary is a serious crime which often
leads to rape and murder, and the Tennessee statute represents the
state legislature's judgment that such crimes may require the use of
deadly force in order to protect the public against those who commit
such crimes. She also disagreed that a suspect's interest in his own
life necessarily extends to the right to flee from the scene of a
crime. The suspect believed he was in imminent danger and therefore
fled the scene."

Graham v. Connor 490 U.S. 386 (1989):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_v._Connor

"...An objective reasonableness standard should apply to a free
citizen's claim that law enforcement officials used excessive force in
the course of making an arrest, investigatory stop, or other "seizure"
of his person."

FBOP rescinded policies to give a verbal command to halt and a warning
shot, before shooting a fleeing felon (armed or not).

(25 years in LE)

On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 22:16:53 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
wrote:

I think and exploding collar on each prisoner would do the trick. Like the invisible fence for dogs for dogs. The prisoner gets close to the perimeter and the collar starts beeping to warn the to back away.

There is a futuristic prison movie that used this idea. Another, the
prison steel floors could be activated by electromagnetic methods. All
prison boots had steel soles - LOCK DOWN

On Wednesday, July 1, 2015 at 8:55:44 AM UTC-7, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 19:55:31 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:

On Tuesday, June 30, 2015 at 9:58:14 AM UTC-7, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 09:50:34 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:

Justified in this case yes. Apprehension of a dangerous felon. In general No a cop cannot shoot a fleeing criminal without a lot more that just fleeing being involved.

Sorry. LEO can shoot a fleeing felon. Armed or unarmed.

Take note of Ferguson?

Not without more than that they can't. 15 years in LE.

Harry K

Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1 (1985):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_v._Garner

"...when a law enforcement officer is pursuing a fleeing suspect, he
or she may not use deadly force to prevent escape unless "the officer
has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant
threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others.""


Just as I said. Something in addition is needed.



[...]

"In her dissent, Justice O'Connor highlighted the fact that police
officers must often make swift, spur-of-the-moment decisions while on
patrol, and argued that the majority did not properly consider this
aspect of the case. Moreover, burglary is a serious crime which often
leads to rape and murder, and the Tennessee statute represents the
state legislature's judgment that such crimes may require the use of
deadly force in order to protect the public against those who commit
such crimes. She also disagreed that a suspect's interest in his own
life necessarily extends to the right to flee from the scene of a
crime. The suspect believed he was in imminent danger and therefore
fled the scene."

Graham v. Connor 490 U.S. 386 (1989):


Dissenting opinion and has no force in law.

"...An objective reasonableness standard should apply to a free
citizen's claim that law enforcement officials used excessive force in
the course of making an arrest, investigatory stop, or other "seizure"
of his person."



FBOP rescinded policies to give a verbal command to halt and a warning
shot, before shooting a fleeing felon (armed or not).

(25 years in LE)

And still needs something more than just being a felon.

Harry K

On Wed, 1 Jul 2015 11:36:13 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:

And still needs something more than just being a felon.

I never said different. Perhaps you have examples of what is "more
than just being a felon".

Heck. Cops shoot people for just making a furtive move. Then write
good reports.

On 7/1/2015 9:37 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 7/1/2015 8:09 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

We have enough troubles in the world. The GPS
collar could be useful.


The government now installs a tracker chip
when you get a colonoscopy.

They want to know what kind of crap you are up to.


That is straight line for SO many quips. Not
sure I can hold them all in. It's giving me
verbal constipation.

-
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 19:13:42 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 6/30/2015 12:34 PM, Oren wrote:



The lib's say execution is cruel and unusual. SCOTUS says different as
does law.


Only reason I'm against execution is the cost of the way we do it.

You got that part figured out.

Mandatory appeals and dragging things out and costing tax payers
millions of dollars.


Just think of how many jobs are created. Convict guards, Honest
employees.


Put the electric chair in the courtroom and get it done quickly.

You did it? OK, bye. Bang.

Own the copyright for public executions.

On Wednesday, July 1, 2015 at 11:58:49 AM UTC-7, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jul 2015 11:36:13 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:

And still needs something more than just being a felon.

I never said different. Perhaps you have examples of what is "more
than just being a felon".

Heck. Cops shoot people for just making a furtive move. Then write
good reports.

Example is David Sweat. Known extreme danger to citizens. Example of not authorized is a felon DWI (Yes you can be charged with a felony for DWI in some states, Idaho is one)

Cops cover up a lot things in their reports, no news there.

Getting away with shooting does not equate to it being authorized.

Harry K

On Wednesday, July 1, 2015 at 4:01:25 PM UTC-4, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 19:13:42 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 6/30/2015 12:34 PM, Oren wrote:



The lib's say execution is cruel and unusual. SCOTUS says different as
does law.


Only reason I'm against execution is the cost of the way we do it.

You got that part figured out.

Mandatory appeals and dragging things out and costing tax payers
millions of dollars.


Just think of how many jobs are created. Convict guards, Honest
employees.


Put the electric chair in the courtroom and get it done quickly.

You did it? OK, bye. Bang.

Own the copyright for public executions.

so murdering people who were tried and found guilty by MISTAKE, is fine by you? hope the mistake is never a friend or family.

life in prison is cheaper and if a mistake is made, the wrongly convicted can be released and paid for the improper time in prison

execution is just state sponsored muder and needs to end

On Thu, 2 Jul 2015 06:27:23 -0700 (PDT), bob haller
wrote:

sigh

so murdering people who were tried and found guilty by MISTAKE, is fine by you? hope the mistake is never a friend or family.


The superior morality guilt game doesn't work on me. Try again. Give
me a link to the numbers of trials, guilty findings and executions was
a "MISTAKE". Take as much space as you need.

life in prison is cheaper and if a mistake is made, the wrongly convicted can be released and paid for the improper time in prison

execution is just state sponsored muder and needs to end

I bet you have no problem with 56+ Million innocent fetuses ripped
from the womb, without a fair trail, right? Are you against execution,
but for abortion. Curious minds and all.


At least criminals get a trial. Automatic appeals that can take
decades.

On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 12:16:35 PM UTC-4, Oren wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jul 2015 06:27:23 -0700 (PDT), bob haller
wrote:

sigh

so murdering people who were tried and found guilty by MISTAKE, is fine by you? hope the mistake is never a friend or family.


The superior morality guilt game doesn't work on me. Try again. Give
me a link to the numbers of trials, guilty findings and executions was
a "MISTAKE". Take as much space as you need.



http://www.ncadp.org/pages/innocence

http://www.forbes.com/sites/elizabet...nced-to-death/

Sounds like 4 to 10%, which is enough, no?

On Thu, 2 Jul 2015 10:40:09 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 12:16:35 PM UTC-4, Oren wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jul 2015 06:27:23 -0700 (PDT), bob haller
wrote:

sigh

so murdering people who were tried and found guilty by MISTAKE, is fine by you? hope the mistake is never a friend or family.


The superior morality guilt game doesn't work on me. Try again. Give
me a link to the numbers of trials, guilty findings and executions was
a "MISTAKE". Take as much space as you need.



http://www.ncadp.org/pages/innocence


Wrongful convictions and executions happen because of factors such as:

Mistaken eye witness testimony
Faulty forensic science
Fabricated testimony or testimony from jailhouse informants
Grossly incompetent lawyers
False confessions
Police or prosecutorial misconduct
Racial bias

http://www.forbes.com/sites/elizabet...nced-to-death/

Sounds like 4 to 10%, which is enough, no?

I'll never say things never go wrong in our legal system. Not perfect
but it is all we have. Humans are involved, with imperfections.

“...The great majority of innocent defendants who are convicted of
capital murder in the United States are neither exeuted nor
exonerated,” the authors wrote. “They are sentenced, or resentenced to
prison for life, and then forgotten.” (sic)

Your source.

In other words. They won on appeal after decades?

On Thu, 02 Jul 2015 11:01:35 -0700, Oren wrote:

_10 Notorious Last Words from Prisoners on Death Row_

# 10 - “Hurry it up, you Hoosier *******! I could hang a dozen men
while you're screwing around!” (Spoken by Carl Panzram, a Famous
Serial Killer in the 30's)

http://www.oddee.com/item_98739.aspx

On Wednesday, July 1, 2015 at 8:37:27 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 7/1/2015 8:09 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 7/1/2015 1:16 AM, Uncle Monster wrote:

I think and exploding collar on each prisoner would do
the trick. Like the invisible fence for dogs for dogs. The
prisoner gets close to the perimeter and the collar starts
beeping to warn the to back away. Of course the collar
could be equipped with a Taser and GPS like tracking
which could work with a system similar to WiFi. Oh crap!
A hacker could gain access to the system and set off all
the collars at one time. What a mess that would make. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Cruel & Unusual Monster


I'd be similar concerned about a warden who had
personal agenda. Just imagine a religious warden
who decided to shock all the "other" type of
inmates.

We have enough troubles in the world. The GPS
collar could be useful.


The government now installs a tracker chip when you get a colonoscopy.
They want to know what kind of crap you are up to.

The last time I was in the hospital, I had a camera snaked down my throat and shoved up my tailpipe. I hope it was in that order. I wonder why my butt's so itchy now, it's that darn chip! O_o

[8~{} Uncle Camera Monster

On Wednesday, July 1, 2015 at 11:00:32 AM UTC-5, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 22:16:53 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
wrote:

I think and exploding collar on each prisoner would do the trick. Like the invisible fence for dogs for dogs. The prisoner gets close to the perimeter and the collar starts beeping to warn the to back away.

There is a futuristic prison movie that used this idea. Another, the
prison steel floors could be activated by electromagnetic methods. All
prison boots had steel soles - LOCK DOWN

Here in Alabamastan, I recall some prisons had electric fences that were able to kill any one touching one of them. It gave a warning shock first which caused a loss of bowel and bladder control. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Fence Monster

On Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 11:16:35 AM UTC-5, Oren wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jul 2015 06:27:23 -0700 (PDT), bob haller
wrote:

sigh

so murdering people who were tried and found guilty by MISTAKE, is fine by you? hope the mistake is never a friend or family.


The superior morality guilt game doesn't work on me. Try again. Give
me a link to the numbers of trials, guilty findings and executions was
a "MISTAKE". Take as much space as you need.

life in prison is cheaper and if a mistake is made, the wrongly convicted can be released and paid for the improper time in prison

execution is just state sponsored muder and needs to end

I bet you have no problem with 56+ Million innocent fetuses ripped
from the womb, without a fair trail, right? Are you against execution,
but for abortion. Curious minds and all.


At least criminals get a trial. Automatic appeals that can take
decades.

Sharpton and Jackson don't seem to care that more Negro babies are aborted than are born. Why don't the P.L.L.C.F. care? I thought Black lives matter? It's the kind of thing that rips the heart out of people who do care. It's sad. 8-(

Why doesn't our Affirmative Action mulatto President get in front of TV cameras on The White House lawn and yack about Black Genocide? o_O

http://www.blackgenocide.org/black.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIYQ_ggMWLQ

[8~{} Uncle Sad Monster

On Thu, 02 Jul 2015 11:16:25 -0500, Oren wrote:

On Thu, 2 Jul 2015 06:27:23 -0700 (PDT), bob haller
wrote:

sigh

so murdering people who were tried and found guilty by MISTAKE, is fine
by you? hope the mistake is never a friend or family.


The superior morality guilt game doesn't work on me. Try again. Give
me a link to the numbers of trials, guilty findings and executions was
a "MISTAKE". Take as much space as you need.

The Innocence Project freed about twenty people on death row for
murders they didn't commit.
http://www.innocenceproject.org/

On Thu, 2 Jul 2015 14:17:45 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
wrote:

Sharpton and Jackson don't seem to care that more Negro babies are aborted than are born. Why don't the P.L.L.C.F. care? I thought Black lives matter? It's the kind of thing that rips the heart out of people who do care. It's sad. 8-(

Why doesn't our Affirmative Action mulatto President get in front of TV cameras on The White House lawn and yack about Black Genocide? o_O

http://www.blackgenocide.org/black.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIYQ_ggMWLQ

[8~{} Uncle Sad Monster

Published May 31, 2012

"...If Chicago were a war zone, it would be a deadlier one for
Americans than Afghanistan."

[...]

"According to FBI and Department of Defense data, 5,056 people have
been murdered in Chicago since 2001, compared with 1,976 total U.S.
deaths in Afghanistan since 2001. Chicago's murder rate even outpaces
total NATO coalition fatalities in Afghanistan since 2001 by a
difference of more than 2,500 killed."

http://nation.foxnews.com/chicago/2012/05/31/chicagos-murder-rate-mirrors-war-zone-federal-data-shows

These are old numbers. Where is this fabricated outrage now? Oh, they
get to pick what to be outraged about.

On Friday, July 3, 2015 at 10:01:20 AM UTC-5, Oren wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jul 2015 14:17:45 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
wrote:

Sharpton and Jackson don't seem to care that more Negro babies are aborted than are born. Why don't the P.L.L.C.F. care? I thought Black lives matter? It's the kind of thing that rips the heart out of people who do care. It's sad. 8-(

Why doesn't our Affirmative Action mulatto President get in front of TV cameras on The White House lawn and yack about Black Genocide? o_O

http://www.blackgenocide.org/black.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIYQ_ggMWLQ

[8~{} Uncle Sad Monster

Published May 31, 2012

"...If Chicago were a war zone, it would be a deadlier one for
Americans than Afghanistan."

[...]

"According to FBI and Department of Defense data, 5,056 people have
been murdered in Chicago since 2001, compared with 1,976 total U.S.
deaths in Afghanistan since 2001. Chicago's murder rate even outpaces
total NATO coalition fatalities in Afghanistan since 2001 by a
difference of more than 2,500 killed."

http://nation.foxnews.com/chicago/2012/05/31/chicagos-murder-rate-mirrors-war-zone-federal-data-shows

These are old numbers. Where is this fabricated outrage now? Oh, they
get to pick what to be outraged about.

The 2012 Benghazi attack resulted in the death of one of our ambassadors who was Gay and the queers hear Hitlery Clinton say,"What difference does it make." and they don't give a suck. O_o

[8~{} Uncle Mean Monster

Oren posted for all of us...



It was his time

Dear flies in June can **** you off.

I was going to have tee shirts made up with his photo and the red slashed
circle over it and the the caption "Don't Sweat it." But I didn't want to
memorialize this guy or his actions.

Now the investigation ensues. I think one of the contractors was in on it.
What escapee would square up his hole? A lot rotten in Denmark...

Cuomo showed the world what an idiot he is. Climbing through there like he
might know WTF happened. He probably got blisters on his hands.

The money spent could have secured that prison properly for a long time.
Nah, they cut the funding to spend on a pet project that will only benefit
themselves. I was checked more often in the hospital to see if I was
alive...

I suppose heads will roll but will they be the proper ones? I hope that
other prisons, not only in NY but everywhere review their ops.

Gotta go!
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Tekkie *Please post a follow-up*

On Mon, 6 Jul 2015 14:36:10 -0400, Tekkie® wrote:

Oren posted for all of us...



It was his time

Dear flies in June can **** you off.

I was going to have tee shirts made up with his photo and the red slashed
circle over it and the the caption "Don't Sweat it." But I didn't want to
memorialize this guy or his actions.

Now the investigation ensues. I think one of the contractors was in on it.
What escapee would square up his hole? A lot rotten in Denmark...

Cuomo showed the world what an idiot he is. Climbing through there like he
might know WTF happened. He probably got blisters on his hands.

The money spent could have secured that prison properly for a long time.
Nah, they cut the funding to spend on a pet project that will only benefit
themselves. I was checked more often in the hospital to see if I was
alive...

I suppose heads will roll but will they be the proper ones? I hope that
other prisons, not only in NY but everywhere review their ops.

Gotta go!

There is already a shake up. In stated before administrators would
change. They got complacent, missed clues. It is easy to miss a clue
if you get burned out on the job.

12 employees have been placed on admin. leave, last I saw.

It ain't over. They need a clean-up man like me

Oren posted for all of us...



On Mon, 6 Jul 2015 14:36:10 -0400, Tekkie® wrote:

Oren posted for all of us...



It was his time

Dear flies in June can **** you off.

I was going to have tee shirts made up with his photo and the red slashed
circle over it and the the caption "Don't Sweat it." But I didn't want to
memorialize this guy or his actions.

Now the investigation ensues. I think one of the contractors was in on it.
What escapee would square up his hole? A lot rotten in Denmark...

Cuomo showed the world what an idiot he is. Climbing through there like he
might know WTF happened. He probably got blisters on his hands.

The money spent could have secured that prison properly for a long time.
Nah, they cut the funding to spend on a pet project that will only benefit
themselves. I was checked more often in the hospital to see if I was
alive...

I suppose heads will roll but will they be the proper ones? I hope that
other prisons, not only in NY but everywhere review their ops.

Gotta go!

There is already a shake up. In stated before administrators would
change. They got complacent, missed clues. It is easy to miss a clue
if you get burned out on the job.

12 employees have been placed on admin. leave, last I saw.

It ain't over. They need a clean-up man like me

You can straighten them out and keep their titties out of the wringer.
Make a lot a bux being a prison consultant! Now we need a name. I was going
to propose Get Oren but I don't think GO would be helpful... Need Oren Exit
Successfully Controlled All Personnel Enumerated.

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Tekkie *Please post a follow-up*