Jurors sentence Dzhokhar Tsarnaev to death....

Now, This ******* can do the good deed and drop any appeal.

Federal Bureau of Prisons Director can sign his Death Warrant, execute
the sentence and be done with it.

Timothy McVeigh did it. Kathy Hawk (former director) sign his death
warrant.

Her cat Wally came to live in my house for years.

On Friday, May 15, 2015 at 5:39:08 PM UTC-4, Oren wrote:
Jurors sentence Dzhokhar Tsarnaev to death....

Now, This ******* can do the good deed and drop any appeal.

Federal Bureau of Prisons Director can sign his Death Warrant, execute
the sentence and be done with it.

Timothy McVeigh did it. Kathy Hawk (former director) sign his death
warrant.

Her cat Wally came to live in my house for years.

You and her should be tortured to death. get the **** out of my country

On Fri, 15 May 2015 14:39:00 -0700, Oren wrote:

Jurors sentence Dzhokhar Tsarnaev to death....

Now, This ******* can do the good deed and drop any appeal.

Federal Bureau of Prisons Director can sign his Death Warrant, execute
the sentence and be done with it.

Timothy McVeigh did it. Kathy Hawk (former director) sign his death
warrant.

Her cat Wally came to live in my house for years.

Any bets on whether he will still be alive in 15 years? Maybe if
enough people keep reminding him about killing his bother with the
car, he will do us all a favor.

On 5/15/2015 6:16 PM, Seymore4Head wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2015 14:39:00 -0700, Oren wrote:

Jurors sentence Dzhokhar Tsarnaev to death....

Now, This ******* can do the good deed and drop any appeal.

Federal Bureau of Prisons Director can sign his Death Warrant, execute
the sentence and be done with it.

Timothy McVeigh did it. Kathy Hawk (former director) sign his death
warrant.

Her cat Wally came to live in my house for years.

Any bets on whether he will still be alive in 15 years? Maybe if
enough people keep reminding him about killing his bother with the
car, he will do us all a favor.

They say that there is somebody for everyone. Let us hope that is true
and person of similar fortitude resolves the "problem" of Dzhokhar
Tsarnaev in much the same fashion as the Jeffrey Dahmer "problem was
resolved.

In that instance, it only took about 2½ years for Christopher Scarver to
step up to the plate and perform "community service." Unless the Feds
keep Tsarnaez on lockdown, does anything really think it will take THAT
long?

"Unquestionably Confused" wrote in message
...
On 5/15/2015 6:16 PM, Seymore4Head wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2015 14:39:00 -0700, Oren wrote:

Jurors sentence Dzhokhar Tsarnaev to death....

Now, This ******* can do the good deed and drop any appeal.

Federal Bureau of Prisons Director can sign his Death Warrant, execute
the sentence and be done with it.

Timothy McVeigh did it. Kathy Hawk (former director) sign his death
warrant.

Her cat Wally came to live in my house for years.

Any bets on whether he will still be alive in 15 years? Maybe if
enough people keep reminding him about killing his bother with the
car, he will do us all a favor.

They say that there is somebody for everyone. Let us hope that is true
and person of similar fortitude resolves the "problem" of Dzhokhar
Tsarnaev in much the same fashion as the Jeffrey Dahmer "problem was
resolved.

In that instance, it only took about 2½ years for Christopher Scarver to
step up to the plate and perform "community service." Unless the Feds
keep Tsarnaez on lockdown, does anything really think it will take THAT
long?



They say that there is somebody for everyone. He probably has already
received marriage proposals.

On 5/15/2015 7:16 PM, Seymore4Head wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2015 14:39:00 -0700, Oren wrote:

Jurors sentence Dzhokhar Tsarnaev to death....

Now, This ******* can do the good deed and drop any appeal.

Federal Bureau of Prisons Director can sign his Death Warrant, execute
the sentence and be done with it.

Timothy McVeigh did it. Kathy Hawk (former director) sign his death
warrant.

Her cat Wally came to live in my house for years.

Any bets on whether he will still be alive in 15 years? Maybe if
enough people keep reminding him about killing his bother with the
car, he will do us all a favor.


Not only alive, but millions in tax dollars wasted on appeals. If he is
killed there goes a martyr.

On Fri, 15 May 2015 19:16:07 -0400, Seymore4Head
wrote:

On Fri, 15 May 2015 14:39:00 -0700, Oren wrote:

Jurors sentence Dzhokhar Tsarnaev to death....

Now, This ******* can do the good deed and drop any appeal.

Federal Bureau of Prisons Director can sign his Death Warrant, execute
the sentence and be done with it.

Timothy McVeigh did it. Kathy Hawk (former director) sign his death
warrant.

Her cat Wally came to live in my house for years.

Any bets on whether he will still be alive in 15 years? Maybe if
enough people keep reminding him about killing his bother with the
car, he will do us all a favor.

Don't count on his feeling of guilt from his brother's death.

He didn't get to live or can now live inside a mountain, At USP
Florence. Deep in the ground. Fact is this is a death sentence, means
he will be housed at USP Terre Haute, Indiana, our federal execution
chamber.

"... the Federal Death Penalty Act of 1994 that made roughly fifty
crimes punishable by death.

Death row.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Bureau_of_Prisons#Death_row

On Friday, May 15, 2015 at 7:52:53 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/15/2015 7:16 PM, Seymore4Head wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2015 14:39:00 -0700, Oren wrote:

Jurors sentence Dzhokhar Tsarnaev to death....

Now, This ******* can do the good deed and drop any appeal.

Federal Bureau of Prisons Director can sign his Death Warrant, execute
the sentence and be done with it.

Timothy McVeigh did it. Kathy Hawk (former director) sign his death
warrant.

Her cat Wally came to live in my house for years.

Any bets on whether he will still be alive in 15 years? Maybe if
enough people keep reminding him about killing his bother with the
car, he will do us all a favor.


Not only alive, but millions in tax dollars wasted on appeals. If he is
killed there goes a martyr.

I don't think he'll be remembered much as a martyr. Even now, the
rest of the nut job muslim terrorists aren't saying anything about him.
They are focused on ISIS and following them. But one thing is for sure.
If they do actually execute him, he won't be able to spread his muslim
extremism to others in federal prison. And potentially those others
will be released, and/or spread it to more who will be released.

In article ,
Oren wrote:

On Fri, 15 May 2015 19:16:07 -0400, Seymore4Head
wrote:


He didn't get to live or can now live inside a mountain, At USP
Florence. Deep in the ground. Fact is this is a death sentence, means
he will be housed at USP Terre Haute, Indiana, our federal execution
chamber.

Maybe I can head down from Indy and give him the finger (grin)
--
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive,
but what they conceal is vital."
-- Aaron Levenstein

On Fri, 15 May 2015 17:37:13 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Friday, May 15, 2015 at 7:52:53 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/15/2015 7:16 PM, Seymore4Head wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2015 14:39:00 -0700, Oren wrote:

Jurors sentence Dzhokhar Tsarnaev to death....

Now, This ******* can do the good deed and drop any appeal.

Federal Bureau of Prisons Director can sign his Death Warrant, execute
the sentence and be done with it.

Timothy McVeigh did it. Kathy Hawk (former director) sign his death
warrant.

Her cat Wally came to live in my house for years.

Any bets on whether he will still be alive in 15 years? Maybe if
enough people keep reminding him about killing his bother with the
car, he will do us all a favor.


Not only alive, but millions in tax dollars wasted on appeals. If he is
killed there goes a martyr.

I don't think he'll be remembered much as a martyr. Even now, the
rest of the nut job muslim terrorists aren't saying anything about him.
They are focused on ISIS and following them. But one thing is for sure.
If they do actually execute him, he won't be able to spread his muslim
extremism to others in federal prison. And potentially those others
will be released, and/or spread it to more who will be released.

Prison is where American made jihadists are coming from.

Per Seymore4Head:
Any bets on whether he will still be alive in 15 years? Maybe if
enough people keep reminding him about killing his bother with the
car, he will do us all a favor.

One of the stand-up comics I listen to opined "He thinks that if they
kill him he gets 72 virgins. So why not sentence him to life and let
*him* be the virgin for a few years?"

You kill somebody and his troubles are over. This probably means I'm
not such a nice person, but if a guy did what he did and somebody in my
family were affected; my preference would be for his troubles to have
barely begun.
--
Pete Cresswell

On 5/15/2015 9:06 PM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Seymore4Head:
Any bets on whether he will still be alive in 15 years? Maybe if
enough people keep reminding him about killing his bother with the
car, he will do us all a favor.

One of the stand-up comics I listen to opined "He thinks that if they
kill him he gets 72 virgins. So why not sentence him to life and let
*him* be the virgin for a few years?"

You kill somebody and his troubles are over. This probably means I'm
not such a nice person, but if a guy did what he did and somebody in my
family were affected; my preference would be for his troubles to have
barely begun.


I don't have a problem with his troubles being over. **** his 72 virgin
belief and **** the rest of those piece of **** mooslums. I don't like
my tax dollars, already being spent foolishly by the piece of ****
politicians, keeping assholes like this alive. If you want to keep his
troubles alive, I don't care, just do it on someones dime other than mine.

On Fri, 15 May 2015 14:39:00 -0700, Oren wrote:

Jurors sentence [the boston bomber]] to death....

I don't like repeating their names. One recent killer, maybe the
airplane crasher, said he wanted to be famous. The others may not say
it but most like it.

We should stop calling them by name. And that includes the stupid tv
and radio newscasters. They're often a force against the public
interest more than for it.

Now, This ******* can do the good deed and drop any appeal.

Required by law?

I have no objection to his execution.

The one bit of humor in the whole thing was his lawyer arguing that life
imprisonment woudl be a worse punsihment. Don't the jurors already know
that no lawyer argues for what is a worse punishment? It must be a
lesser punishment or the lawyer woudln't want tt.


Federal Bureau of Prisons Director can sign his Death Warrant, execute
the sentence and be done with it.

Timothy McVeigh did it. Kathy Hawk (former director) sign his death
warrant.

Her cat Wally came to live in my house for years.

Was he mad at her?

On 5/15/2015 9:47 PM, Meanie wrote:

I don't have a problem with his troubles being over. **** his 72 virgin
belief and **** the rest of those piece of **** mooslums. I don't like
my tax dollars, already being spent foolishly by the piece of ****
politicians, keeping assholes like this alive. If you want to keep his
troubles alive, I don't care, just do it on someones dime other than mine.

So you'd rather they spend even more of your money to try to kill him.
Many studies have shown it cost more to give the death penalty than life
in prison. You can thank a lawyer for that.

If they carried out the death sentence that same day it is given, I'd
agree with you. Takes 10 to 20 years, if ever.

On 5/15/2015 7:16 PM, Seymore4Head wrote:
Any bets on whether he will still be alive in 15 years? Maybe if
enough people keep reminding him about killing his bother with the
car, he will do us all a favor.


Years ago, I read that in some cities, sentencing
some criminals to death actually kept them alive
longer than releasing them to the streets.

Of course, some folks prefer to die as a martyr.

-
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

No justice, no peace. Must be time for
white guys to riot and burn court houses?

Give me a while, I'll pack my cane, some
Depends, and some hearing aid batteries.

-
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On 5/15/2015 11:49 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/15/2015 9:47 PM, Meanie wrote:

I don't have a problem with his troubles being over. **** his 72 virgin
belief and **** the rest of those piece of **** mooslums. I don't like
my tax dollars, already being spent foolishly by the piece of ****
politicians, keeping assholes like this alive. If you want to keep his
troubles alive, I don't care, just do it on someones dime other than
mine.

So you'd rather they spend even more of your money to try to kill him.
Many studies have shown it cost more to give the death penalty than life
in prison. You can thank a lawyer for that.

If they carried out the death sentence that same day it is given, I'd
agree with you. Takes 10 to 20 years, if ever.

That's the problem....that expense stems from the appeals process
involving attorney fees and court fees. It sure isn't the cost of prison
in itself.

When I say kill the SOB, that means swift. I'm even willing to allow (as
if it's my choice) one appeal, then a swift execution. This 10 to 20
year ordeal on death row is pure bull****.

Overall, we shouldn't have to favor life in prison over execution due to
the incompetency of the system. Laws need to be changed to reduce the
high cost of a death row inmate. Only then do I believe it will truly be
a deterrent.

On 05/16/2015 07:26 AM, Meanie wrote:
Overall, we shouldn't have to favor life in prison over execution due to the incompetency of the system. Laws need to be changed to reduce the high cost of a death row inmate. Only then do I believe it will truly be a deterrent.

What the world needs is an accurate lie detector and a guillotine.

Meanwhile, pray to God you don't find yourself in the wrong place at the wrong time.

On Saturday, May 16, 2015 at 6:31:10 AM UTC-4, Stormin Mormon wrote:
No justice, no peace. Must be time for
white guys to riot and burn court houses?

Give me a while, I'll pack my cane, some
Depends, and some hearing aid batteries.

-
..

Stormin, if a white guy with a white organization had
the chant and tag line "no justice, no peace", they'd be
charged with inciting to riot. I thought it was a new low
when the idiot mayor of Baltimore was at Sharpton's event,
in the middle of the crisis,
on stage, speaking, with those words all over the backdrop
she was standing in front of. Then when the city riots,
gets looted, burned down, it's all the white folks fault....
Go figure.

On Friday, May 15, 2015 at 11:49:52 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/15/2015 9:47 PM, Meanie wrote:

I don't have a problem with his troubles being over. **** his 72 virgin
belief and **** the rest of those piece of **** mooslums. I don't like
my tax dollars, already being spent foolishly by the piece of ****
politicians, keeping assholes like this alive. If you want to keep his
troubles alive, I don't care, just do it on someones dime other than mine.

So you'd rather they spend even more of your money to try to kill him.
Many studies have shown it cost more to give the death penalty than life
in prison. You can thank a lawyer for that.

If they carried out the death sentence that same day it is given, I'd
agree with you. Takes 10 to 20 years, if ever.

You have a valid point. But there are exceptions. Timothy McVeigh
was quickly dispatched with. We'll have to wait and see what happens
here, but I agree, it would not be unusual for it to go on for a very
long time.

And then we have the related sideshow. The anti death penalty activists
have coerced the drug makers that make the drugs used for lethal injection
to stop supplying it for that purpose. So, states can't get the required
drugs and are having to substitute others. Then in turn the activists
are suing over that, claiming that the substituted drugs cause suffereing,
so that is before the courts. Really unbelievable. If we can put someone
under to do a bypass, WTF is so hard about putting them under and killing
them? We euthanize millions of pets somehow, don't we?

"Meanie" wrote in message
...

That's the problem....that expense stems from the appeals process
involving attorney fees and court fees. It sure isn't the cost of prison
in itself.

When I say kill the SOB, that means swift. I'm even willing to allow (as
if it's my choice) one appeal, then a swift execution. This 10 to 20 year
ordeal on death row is pure bull****.

Overall, we shouldn't have to favor life in prison over execution due to
the incompetency of the system. Laws need to be changed to reduce the high
cost of a death row inmate. Only then do I believe it will truly be a
deterrent.

Even to keep someone in prison cost over $ 20,000 per year . Sometimes even
more. That is as much as a lot of people make in a year. Hard to believe
it costs that much for a one room cell and food for them.

On Sat, 16 May 2015 06:37:15 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:




Then in turn the activists
are suing over that, claiming that the substituted drugs cause suffereing,
so that is before the courts. Really unbelievable.


I don't see a little pain before death as a problem under the
circumstances. The victims were not shown any mercy.

No drugs? Get the firing squad.

In article , Meanie
wrote:

O
Overall, we shouldn't have to favor life in prison over execution due to
the incompetency of the system. Laws need to be changed to reduce the
high cost of a death row inmate. Only then do I believe it will truly be
a deterrent.

FWIW, I have yet to see an indicator that this deters anything. Most
murders are either spur of the moment, done by those who are sure they
won't get caught with the spattering of those like this dude who don't
care if they get caught.
--
³Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive,
but what they conceal is vital.²
‹ Aaron Levenstein

On Fri, 15 May 2015 22:36:20 -0400, micky
wrote:

Now, This ******* can do the good deed and drop any appeal.

Required by law?


His appeal is triggered automatically by law. All he has to do is fire
his lawyers and withdraw the appeal. His decision.

(Federal Executions - 1927 through 2003)

http://www.bop.gov/about/history/federal_executions.jsp

On Sat, 16 May 2015 06:37:15 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

Timothy McVeigh
was quickly dispatched with. We'll have to wait and see what happens
here, but I agree, it would not be unusual for it to go on for a very
long time.

"Timothy J. McVeigh has decided to end the appeal of his death
sentence for the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing and has asked a federal
judge to have him executed within four months.

''I do not wish to pursue any further appeals in this case,'' Mr.
McVeigh, who is 32 years old, told the judge, Richard P. Matsch of
Federal District Court in Denver, in an affidavit filed on Monday.
''This decision to forgo appeal is done against the advice of my
lawyers.''

'Mr. McVeigh asked Judge Matsch to set an execution date, or order the
director of the federal Bureau of Prisons to do so, and asked that his
execution take place within 120 days."

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/12/13/us...entence.html#h[]

I doubt this guy in Boston has the balls to do it.

On Saturday, May 16, 2015 at 10:23:48 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Sat, 16 May 2015 06:37:15 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:




Then in turn the activists
are suing over that, claiming that the substituted drugs cause suffereing,
so that is before the courts. Really unbelievable.


I don't see a little pain before death as a problem under the
circumstances. The victims were not shown any mercy.

No drugs? Get the firing squad.

Actually, I think some states that are involved in this problem
are actually considering going back to that....

On Saturday, May 16, 2015 at 11:01:45 AM UTC-4, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 16 May 2015 06:37:15 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

Timothy McVeigh
was quickly dispatched with. We'll have to wait and see what happens
here, but I agree, it would not be unusual for it to go on for a very
long time.

"Timothy J. McVeigh has decided to end the appeal of his death
sentence for the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing and has asked a federal
judge to have him executed within four months.

''I do not wish to pursue any further appeals in this case,'' Mr.
McVeigh, who is 32 years old, told the judge, Richard P. Matsch of
Federal District Court in Denver, in an affidavit filed on Monday.
''This decision to forgo appeal is done against the advice of my
lawyers.''

'Mr. McVeigh asked Judge Matsch to set an execution date, or order the
director of the federal Bureau of Prisons to do so, and asked that his
execution take place within 120 days."

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/12/13/us...entence.html#h[]

I doubt this guy in Boston has the balls to do it.

Good point. I didn't remember that the way McVeigh's ended was
by him deciding not to continue to appeal. That is indeed an
exceptional case and I agree, it's not likely to happen in the
BB.

On 5/16/2015 9:49 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
"Meanie" wrote in message
...

That's the problem....that expense stems from the appeals process
involving attorney fees and court fees. It sure isn't the cost of prison
in itself.

When I say kill the SOB, that means swift. I'm even willing to allow (as
if it's my choice) one appeal, then a swift execution. This 10 to 20 year
ordeal on death row is pure bull****.

Overall, we shouldn't have to favor life in prison over execution due to
the incompetency of the system. Laws need to be changed to reduce the high
cost of a death row inmate. Only then do I believe it will truly be a
deterrent.

Even to keep someone in prison cost over $ 20,000 per year . Sometimes even
more. That is as much as a lot of people make in a year. Hard to believe
it costs that much for a one room cell and food for them.


Because it's not just about the cell and food. Instead of hard labor the
whining advocacy groups who fight for inhumane treatment of prisons
allow these POS to have their internet, televisions, special diets, etc.
There isn't any true re-rehabilitation. They are housed in a prison
country club instead of a means of punishment. There isn't anyone with
balls (accept Joe Arpaio) who treat prisoners as they should be treated.
As Joe always said, if you don't like the treatment, don't come back.

On 5/16/2015 10:45 AM, Kurt Ullman wrote:
In article , Meanie
wrote:

O
Overall, we shouldn't have to favor life in prison over execution due to
the incompetency of the system. Laws need to be changed to reduce the
high cost of a death row inmate. Only then do I believe it will truly be
a deterrent.

FWIW, I have yet to see an indicator that this deters anything. Most
murders are either spur of the moment, done by those who are sure they
won't get caught with the spattering of those like this dude who don't
care if they get caught.


....and where have you truly been able to view the punishment with it's
full element intact?

On 05/16/2015 09:37 AM, trader_4 wrote:
Then in turn the activists
are suing over that, claiming that the substituted drugs cause suffereing,
so that is before the courts. Really unbelievable. If we can put someone
under to do a bypass, WTF is so hard about putting them under and killing
them? We euthanize millions of pets somehow, don't we?

Yah, like the people that have a furnace with a cracked heat exchanger. They wake up dead and don't know what hit them.

On Sat, 16 May 2015 07:50:23 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Fri, 15 May 2015 22:36:20 -0400, micky
wrote:

Now, This ******* can do the good deed and drop any appeal.

Required by law?

Different tv and/or radio stations said both that it was automatic and
that they had 7 days to file. I don't think both coulld be true.

His appeal is triggered automatically by law. All he has to do is fire
his lawyers and withdraw the appeal. His decision.

(Federal Executions - 1927 through 2003)

http://www.bop.gov/about/history/federal_executions.jsp

Why would he have to fire his lawyers?

On Sat, 16 May 2015 15:39:51 -0400, micky
wrote:

On Sat, 16 May 2015 07:50:23 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Fri, 15 May 2015 22:36:20 -0400, micky
wrote:

Now, This ******* can do the good deed and drop any appeal.

Required by law?

Different tv and/or radio stations said both that it was automatic and
that they had 7 days to file. I don't think both coulld be true.


Which news source is familiar with the law? (Or are some talking out
their ass

His appeal is triggered automatically by law. All he has to do is fire
his lawyers and withdraw the appeal. His decision.

(Federal Executions - 1927 through 2003)

http://www.bop.gov/about/history/federal_executions.jsp

Why would he have to fire his lawyers?

He does not "have" / need to fire the attorney, just an option. He
could demand his appeal be withdrawn, so the lawyer is out of a job
either way

On Saturday, May 16, 2015 at 7:26:27 AM UTC-4, SBH wrote:
On 5/15/2015 11:49 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/15/2015 9:47 PM, Meanie wrote:

I don't have a problem with his troubles being over. **** his 72 virgin
belief and **** the rest of those piece of **** mooslums. I don't like
my tax dollars, already being spent foolishly by the piece of ****
politicians, keeping assholes like this alive. If you want to keep his
troubles alive, I don't care, just do it on someones dime other than
mine.

So you'd rather they spend even more of your money to try to kill him.
Many studies have shown it cost more to give the death penalty than life
in prison. You can thank a lawyer for that.

If they carried out the death sentence that same day it is given, I'd
agree with you. Takes 10 to 20 years, if ever.

That's the problem....that expense stems from the appeals process
involving attorney fees and court fees. It sure isn't the cost of prison
in itself.

When I say kill the SOB, that means swift. I'm even willing to allow (as
if it's my choice) one appeal, then a swift execution. This 10 to 20
year ordeal on death row is pure bull****.

Overall, we shouldn't have to favor life in prison over execution due to
the incompetency of the system. Laws need to be changed to reduce the
high cost of a death row inmate. Only then do I believe it will truly be
a deterrent.


most death penalty cases have the defendant with little money so the government must pay for both the proscuetion and defense expenses.

even with that sometimes defendants who were sentenced to death end up getting released before execution because they didnt do it, they were innocent......

it cost a lot to keep anyone in prison, national average near $50,000 per year.

feed, clothe, medical care, guards, buildings and all the rest really add up...

Per trader_4:
No drugs? Get the firing squad.

Actually, I think some states that are involved in this problem
are actually considering going back to that....

If I had to choose for myself, I would take firing squad hands-down.

Seems to me like there are plenty of accounts of people who have been
shot and survived to say that they did not realize they had been shot
until sometime after impact. A half-dozen simultaneous rounds in the
chest, and I would think it would be totally painless.
--
Pete Cresswell

On Sat, 16 May 2015 21:57:57 -0400, "(PeteCresswell)"
wrote:

Per trader_4:
No drugs? Get the firing squad.

Actually, I think some states that are involved in this problem
are actually considering going back to that....

If I had to choose for myself, I would take firing squad hands-down.

Seems to me like there are plenty of accounts of people who have been
shot and survived to say that they did not realize they had been shot
until sometime after impact. A half-dozen simultaneous rounds in the
chest, and I would think it would be totally painless.

One member in a firing squad is given a blank round. Removes any
guilt feelings that may crop up later. Did I or didn't I kill him...
no way to tell for certain.

"Kurt Ullman" wrote in message
...
In article , Meanie

stuff snipped

FWIW, I have yet to see an indicator that this deters anything. Most
murders are either spur of the moment, done by those who are sure they
won't get caught with the spattering of those like this dude who don't
care if they get caught.

My LENF prof summed up "deterrence" by saying "Pickpockets picked pockets at
the hangings of pickpockets." Sadly the relatively large number of
death-row exonerations due to DNA shows our system of justice isn't quite
trustworthy enough to hand out the death penalty. At least not yet.

I tend to agree but feel that folks like the Marathon bomber, who was caught
on video planting the bombs, should be dispatched in their leather body bags
ASAP. While it might be overkill to give them a liquified pork enema before
they're sledgehammered to death, I could bring myself to look the other way.

Maybe we should televise executions on Pay-per-view with some percent of the
proceeds going to the victim. I heard the Mayweather fight brought in some
$300M. We could do a "Let's Make a Deal" show out of it. "One of these
pressure cookers contains $20,000 in cash. The other two contain bombs just
like the ones you used to kill people." When the bomber opens up the
pressure cooker and explodes the emcee could say "We lied - ALL of the
pressure cookers contained explosives!"

--
Bobby G.

On 05/16/2015 10:45 AM, Kurt Ullman wrote:
In article , Meanie
wrote:

O
Overall, we shouldn't have to favor life in prison over execution due to
the incompetency of the system. Laws need to be changed to reduce the
high cost of a death row inmate. Only then do I believe it will truly be
a deterrent.

FWIW, I have yet to see an indicator that this deters anything. Most
murders are either spur of the moment, done by those who are sure they
won't get caught with the spattering of those like this dude who don't
care if they get caught.


Most crime is committed by repeat offenders.

The death penalty, delivered properly, ensures the criminal will not be a repeat offender.

In article ,
Rowan Pope wrote:

On 05/16/2015 10:45 AM, Kurt Ullman wrote:
In article , Meanie
wrote:

O
Overall, we shouldn't have to favor life in prison over execution due to
the incompetency of the system. Laws need to be changed to reduce the
high cost of a death row inmate. Only then do I believe it will truly be
a deterrent.

FWIW, I have yet to see an indicator that this deters anything. Most
murders are either spur of the moment, done by those who are sure they
won't get caught with the spattering of those like this dude who don't
care if they get caught.


Most crime is committed by repeat offenders.

The death penalty, delivered properly, ensures the criminal will not be a
repeat offender.

So does life without parole. How many murderers (outside of the likes of
Ted Bundy, etc,) are repeat offenders?
--
³Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive,
but what they conceal is vital.²
‹ Aaron Levenstein

Kurt Ullman wrote in news:FIadnT1nao_6DcXInZ2dnUU7-
:

In article ,
Rowan Pope wrote:
The death penalty, delivered properly, ensures the criminal will not be a
repeat offender.

So does life without parole. How many murderers (outside of the likes of
Ted Bundy, etc,) are repeat offenders?

Sadly, no, it doesn't. More than a few have gone on to murder guards or fellow inmates while
incarcerated.

On Sun, 17 May 2015 08:58:17 -0400, Kurt Ullman
wrote:

Most crime is committed by repeat offenders.

The death penalty, delivered properly, ensures the criminal will not be a
repeat offender.

So does life without parole. How many murderers (outside of the likes of
Ted Bundy, etc,) are repeat offenders?

Plenty. Some criminals never started as murders but became one. They
go to prison - aka, gladiator school.

~ 11 (?) federal correctional officers killed on duty happened during
my service. Two of those convicts killed multiple people each, two
officers on one day. The same two killed the leader of the Black
Gorilla Family.

http://www.bop.gov/about/history/hero_waldrupe.jsp?i=0

Please don't repeat their names.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Silverstein

He is the primary reason USP-Florence, CO (ADX) was built in a
mountain, to replace USP-Marion, IL (The new Alcatraz)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clayton_Fountain

I'm glad the sum bitch is dead

I did TDY to Marion in 1983. They both sued me and was a direct
threat to my family. I refused to answer court interrogatories about
my family to the court but was not charged with contempt of court.