I repair office machines and one of my customers has a rolling cart they lost the key for, and they now want use the stuff in that cabinet.....

I tried getting keys from the cabinet supplier but they didnt work...

has anyone ever drilled out a lock?

I would rather avoid damaging the cabinet much. and other than flip or flop have never seen anyone drill out a lock. on flip or flop they just start drilling, but never show what happens.

bob haller wrote:


I would rather avoid damaging the cabinet much. and other than flip or flop have never seen anyone drill out a lock. on flip or flop they just start drilling, but never show what happens.

No lock smith available?

On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 7:29:44 PM UTC-5, bob haller wrote:
I repair office machines and one of my customers has a rolling cart they lost the key for, and they now want use the stuff in that cabinet.....

I tried getting keys from the cabinet supplier but they didnt work...

has anyone ever drilled out a lock?

I would rather avoid damaging the cabinet much. and other than flip or flop have never seen anyone drill out a lock. on flip or flop they just start drilling, but never show what happens.

Those are easy to pick, usually disc tumblers...bend a paper clip to have a bump on the end of the wire Like a small V about 1/16" high...hold a turning pressure on the barrel (preferably in the direction it opens), go back and forth across the tumblers (rake). They will get hug-up one by one until it opens.

On Fri, 01 May 2015 18:45:42 -0600, Tony Hwang wrote:

bob haller wrote:


I would rather avoid damaging the cabinet much. and other than flip or flop have never seen anyone drill out a lock. on flip or flop they just start drilling, but never show what happens.

No lock smith available?

Like most people who ask for help here, I think he doesn't want to pay
$100 for something that, with a little advice, he can do in 5 minutes.

On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 7:29:44 PM UTC-5, bob haller wrote:
I repair office machines and one of my customers has a rolling cart they lost the key for, and they now want use the stuff in that cabinet.....

I tried getting keys from the cabinet supplier but they didnt work...

has anyone ever drilled out a lock?

I would rather avoid damaging the cabinet much. and other than flip or flop have never seen anyone drill out a lock. on flip or flop they just start drilling, but never show what happens.

I once had a gas cap key that would open just about any cabinet lock. By chance, the key had equally spaced bumps. I could run it in and out of the lock while turning and wiggling it and the lock would open. You could get a key blank that fit the hole at a big box store and if they couldn't or wouldn't cut the equally spaced notches in the key blank, you can do it yourself with a corner file. A key blank like that should be very inexpensive so if it doesn't work you're not out lots of money. Another thing to try is to look on the face of the lock and see if there are any numbers stamped in the face. Find a key from something else in the office that fits the hole then take that key and the numbers to a locksmith and see if they can't look it up for you and cut a key. 8-]

[8~{} Uncle Breakin Monster

bob haller wrote:
I repair office machines and one of my customers has a rolling cart
they lost the key for, and they now want use the stuff in that
cabinet.....

I tried getting keys from the cabinet supplier but they didnt work...

has anyone ever drilled out a lock?

I would rather avoid damaging the cabinet much. and other than flip
or flop have never seen anyone drill out a lock. on flip or flop they
just start drilling, but never show what happens.

Most such locks are easy to pick. Ask around for someone who can pick locks, or
try searching for instructions online.

On 5/1/2015 8:29 PM, bob haller wrote:
I repair office machines and one of my customers has a rolling cart they lost the key for, and they now want use the stuff in that cabinet.....

I tried getting keys from the cabinet supplier but they didnt work...

has anyone ever drilled out a lock?

I would rather avoid damaging the cabinet much. and other than flip or flop have never seen anyone drill out a lock. on flip or flop they just start drilling, but never show what happens.


I can't speak for a rolling cart but I have drilled out a few file
cabinet locks because of lost keys. I start with small bits into the
center of the core and increase bit sizes until it reaches the tumblers
then pow, the cylinder pops out. In many cases the lock assembly can be
replaced but the office personnel doesn't care and just leaves it that way.

On 5/1/2015 8:52 PM, bob_villa wrote:
On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 7:29:44 PM UTC-5, bob haller wrote:
I repair office machines and one of my customers has a rolling cart they lost the key for, and they now want use the stuff in that cabinet.....

I tried getting keys from the cabinet supplier but they didnt work...

has anyone ever drilled out a lock?

I would rather avoid damaging the cabinet much. and other than flip or flop have never seen anyone drill out a lock. on flip or flop they just start drilling, but never show what happens.

Those are easy to pick, usually disc tumblers...bend a paper clip to have a bump on the end of the wire Like a small V about 1/16" high...hold a turning pressure on the barrel (preferably in the direction it opens), go back and forth across the tumblers (rake). They will get hug-up one by one until it opens.


All kinds of instructions and utube videos on lock picking.

On 5/1/2015 8:29 PM, bob haller wrote:
I repair office machines and one of my customers has a rolling cart they lost the key for, and they now want use the stuff in that cabinet.....

I tried getting keys from the cabinet supplier but they didnt work...

has anyone ever drilled out a lock?

I would rather avoid damaging the cabinet much. and other than flip or flop have never seen anyone drill out a lock. on flip or flop they just start drilling, but never show what happens.


I've been a locksmith since 1986 or so.

The cabinet probably has a very simple lock. If you
can load the cabinet in a vehicle, call the locksmiths
near you, see if one will let you bring it in. Save
yourself a trip charge. Should be able to make new
keys easy enough. Or, I can come out. Dollar fifty a
mile (one way from Buffalo, NY). Probably half hour
labor to make new keys.

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Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
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On Saturday, May 2, 2015 at 5:46:13 AM UTC-5, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 5/1/2015 8:29 PM, bob haller wrote:
I repair office machines and one of my customers has a rolling cart they lost the key for, and they now want use the stuff in that cabinet.....

I tried getting keys from the cabinet supplier but they didnt work...

has anyone ever drilled out a lock?

I would rather avoid damaging the cabinet much. and other than flip or flop have never seen anyone drill out a lock. on flip or flop they just start drilling, but never show what happens.


I've been a locksmith since 1986 or so.

The cabinet probably has a very simple lock. If you
can load the cabinet in a vehicle, call the locksmiths
near you, see if one will let you bring it in. Save
yourself a trip charge. Should be able to make new
keys easy enough. Or, I can come out. Dollar fifty a
mile (one way from Buffalo, NY). Probably half hour
labor to make new keys.

Hi Guy, I've seen numbers stamped on the front of many of those locks and I was sure the locksmith at a lock and key shop could look it up and cut a key. I saw a locksmith open a ford one time by inserting a key blank in the lock, tapping down on the end of the key, looking at it then using a corner file cutting slots, inset, wiggle, tap again, file and on and on. The guy opened the locked car in a matter of minutes. I think the owner had actually lost the key which is the reason the locksmith did what he did rather than use a slim jim. I always have a spare door key on my belt in case I lock my keys in the car. Something I've done in the middle of nowhere. 8-]

[8~{} Uncle Lock Monster

On 5/2/2015 7:46 AM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Saturday, May 2, 2015 at 5:46:13 AM UTC-5, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 5/1/2015 8:29 PM, bob haller wrote:
I repair office machines and one of my customers has a rolling cart they lost the key for, and they now want use the stuff in that cabinet.....

I tried getting keys from the cabinet supplier but they didnt work...

has anyone ever drilled out a lock?

I would rather avoid damaging the cabinet much. and other than flip or flop have never seen anyone drill out a lock. on flip or flop they just start drilling, but never show what happens.


I've been a locksmith since 1986 or so.

The cabinet probably has a very simple lock. If you
can load the cabinet in a vehicle, call the locksmiths
near you, see if one will let you bring it in. Save
yourself a trip charge. Should be able to make new
keys easy enough. Or, I can come out. Dollar fifty a
mile (one way from Buffalo, NY). Probably half hour
labor to make new keys.

Hi Guy, I've seen numbers stamped on the front of many of those locks and I was sure the locksmith at a lock and key shop could look it up and cut a key. I saw a locksmith open a ford one time by inserting a key blank in the lock, tapping down on the end of the key, looking at it then using a corner file cutting slots, inset, wiggle, tap again, file and on and on. The guy opened the locked car in a matter of minutes. I think the owner had actually lost the key which is the reason the locksmith did what he did rather than use a slim jim. I always have a spare door key on my belt in case I lock my keys in the car. Something I've done in the middle of nowhere. 8-]

My wife carries the spare car key, now as long as I never lock my keys
and my wife in the car, I am probably safe. :-)

On Saturday, May 2, 2015 at 9:36:24 AM UTC-5, FrozenNorth wrote:
On 5/2/2015 7:46 AM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Saturday, May 2, 2015 at 5:46:13 AM UTC-5, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 5/1/2015 8:29 PM, bob haller wrote:
I repair office machines and one of my customers has a rolling cart they lost the key for, and they now want use the stuff in that cabinet.....

I tried getting keys from the cabinet supplier but they didnt work...

has anyone ever drilled out a lock?

I would rather avoid damaging the cabinet much. and other than flip or flop have never seen anyone drill out a lock. on flip or flop they just start drilling, but never show what happens.


I've been a locksmith since 1986 or so.

The cabinet probably has a very simple lock. If you
can load the cabinet in a vehicle, call the locksmiths
near you, see if one will let you bring it in. Save
yourself a trip charge. Should be able to make new
keys easy enough. Or, I can come out. Dollar fifty a
mile (one way from Buffalo, NY). Probably half hour
labor to make new keys.

Hi Guy, I've seen numbers stamped on the front of many of those locks and I was sure the locksmith at a lock and key shop could look it up and cut a key. I saw a locksmith open a ford one time by inserting a key blank in the lock, tapping down on the end of the key, looking at it then using a corner file cutting slots, inset, wiggle, tap again, file and on and on. The guy opened the locked car in a matter of minutes. I think the owner had actually lost the key which is the reason the locksmith did what he did rather than use a slim jim. I always have a spare door key on my belt in case I lock my keys in the car. Something I've done in the middle of nowhere. 8-]

My wife carries the spare car key, now as long as I never lock my keys
and my wife in the car, I am probably safe. :-)

Oh come on! Just because she's a well endowed blond doesn't mean she's stupid. You can watch any TV show these days where men are portrayed as dumbasses and women are geniuses. O_o

[8~{} Uncle Dumb Monster

On 5/2/2015 10:36 AM, FrozenNorth wrote:
I saw a locksmith open a ford one time by inserting a
key blank in the lock, tapping down on the end of the key, looking at
it then using a corner file cutting slots, inset, wiggle, tap again,
file and on and on. The guy opened the locked car in a matter of
minutes. I think the owner had actually lost the key which is the
reason the locksmith did what he did rather than use a slim jim.

My wife carries the spare car key, now as long as I never lock my keys
and my wife in the car, I am probably safe. :-)


1) I've done that, with the older Fords. About ten
minutes to get a working key.
2) The one time I (about age 10) helped Dad lock the
keys in the car trunk, Mom had her set. Thanks. I set
down his keys in plain sight. He walked up and slammed
the trunk lid. "Didn't you see the keys?" "where?"
points to where they are, under the trunk lid.
Oops.

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Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
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On 5/2/2015 7:46 AM, Uncle Monster wrote:
The cabinet probably has a very simple lock. If you
can load the cabinet in a vehicle, call the locksmiths
near you, see if one will let you bring it in. Save
yourself a trip charge. Should be able to make new
keys easy enough. Or, I can come out. Dollar fifty a
mile (one way from Buffalo, NY). Probably half hour
labor to make new keys.

Hi Guy, I've seen numbers stamped on the front of many
of those locks and I was sure the locksmith at a lock
and key shop could look it up and cut a key.


I saw a locksmith open a ford one time by inserting a
key blank in the lock, tapping down on the end of the
key, looking at it then using a corner file cutting
slots, inset, wiggle, tap again, file and on and on.
The guy opened the locked car in a matter of minutes.
I think the owner had actually lost the key which is
the reason the locksmith did what he did rather than
use a slim jim.


I always have a spare door key on my
belt in case I lock my keys in the car. Something I've
done in the middle of nowhere. 8-]

[8~{} Uncle Lock Monster


Some code series use the same numbers.

Yep, often on the older cars, impression a key
works nicely for opening, also.

Slim Jims are obsolete. I've not used one since
about 1990. I got so damn tired of hearing people
say "oh, just like the cops". So I cut mine into
short pieces and pitched it out.

Spare key is a good thing. Be sure to get a new
spare when you change vehicles. I unlocked a car
one time for a guy who had a spare, tried it, made
sure it worked. Locked his keys in. Got the wallet
key out. Square wallet key only works ignition, did
him no good as it did not work the doors.

-
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On Saturday, May 2, 2015 at 2:41:54 PM UTC-5, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 5/2/2015 7:46 AM, Uncle Monster wrote:
The cabinet probably has a very simple lock. If you
can load the cabinet in a vehicle, call the locksmiths
near you, see if one will let you bring it in. Save
yourself a trip charge. Should be able to make new
keys easy enough. Or, I can come out. Dollar fifty a
mile (one way from Buffalo, NY). Probably half hour
labor to make new keys.

Hi Guy, I've seen numbers stamped on the front of many
of those locks and I was sure the locksmith at a lock
and key shop could look it up and cut a key.


I saw a locksmith open a ford one time by inserting a
key blank in the lock, tapping down on the end of the
key, looking at it then using a corner file cutting
slots, inset, wiggle, tap again, file and on and on.
The guy opened the locked car in a matter of minutes.
I think the owner had actually lost the key which is
the reason the locksmith did what he did rather than
use a slim jim.


I always have a spare door key on my
belt in case I lock my keys in the car. Something I've
done in the middle of nowhere. 8-]

[8~{} Uncle Lock Monster


Some code series use the same numbers.

Yep, often on the older cars, impression a key
works nicely for opening, also.

Slim Jims are obsolete. I've not used one since
about 1990. I got so damn tired of hearing people
say "oh, just like the cops". So I cut mine into
short pieces and pitched it out.

Spare key is a good thing. Be sure to get a new
spare when you change vehicles. I unlocked a car
one time for a guy who had a spare, tried it, made
sure it worked. Locked his keys in. Got the wallet
key out. Square wallet key only works ignition, did
him no good as it did not work the doors.

-
I have a keyring I wear on my belt that has duplicate ignition and door keys to several vehicles. When I exit my vehicle, I always remove and snap the primary vehicle keyring back on my belt. I developed the habit over the years and usually know immediately when my keys aren't on my belt. It's very rare for me to have to use my backup key. 8-]

[8~{} Uncle Forgetful Monster

On Saturday, May 2, 2015 at 3:58:21 PM UTC-4, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Saturday, May 2, 2015 at 2:41:54 PM UTC-5, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 5/2/2015 7:46 AM, Uncle Monster wrote:
The cabinet probably has a very simple lock. If you
can load the cabinet in a vehicle, call the locksmiths
near you, see if one will let you bring it in. Save
yourself a trip charge. Should be able to make new
keys easy enough. Or, I can come out. Dollar fifty a
mile (one way from Buffalo, NY). Probably half hour
labor to make new keys.

Hi Guy, I've seen numbers stamped on the front of many
of those locks and I was sure the locksmith at a lock
and key shop could look it up and cut a key.


I saw a locksmith open a ford one time by inserting a
key blank in the lock, tapping down on the end of the
key, looking at it then using a corner file cutting
slots, inset, wiggle, tap again, file and on and on.
The guy opened the locked car in a matter of minutes.
I think the owner had actually lost the key which is
the reason the locksmith did what he did rather than
use a slim jim.


I always have a spare door key on my
belt in case I lock my keys in the car. Something I've
done in the middle of nowhere. 8-]

[8~{} Uncle Lock Monster


Some code series use the same numbers.

Yep, often on the older cars, impression a key
works nicely for opening, also.

Slim Jims are obsolete. I've not used one since
about 1990. I got so damn tired of hearing people
say "oh, just like the cops". So I cut mine into
short pieces and pitched it out.

Spare key is a good thing. Be sure to get a new
spare when you change vehicles. I unlocked a car
one time for a guy who had a spare, tried it, made
sure it worked. Locked his keys in. Got the wallet
key out. Square wallet key only works ignition, did
him no good as it did not work the doors.

-
I have a keyring I wear on my belt that has duplicate ignition and door keys to several vehicles. When I exit my vehicle, I always remove and snap the primary vehicle keyring back on my belt. I developed the habit over the years and usually know immediately when my keys aren't on my belt. It's very rare for me to have to use my backup key. 8-]

[8~{} Uncle Forgetful Monster

after my step son locked his keys in his van for the 8th time, hs mom bought him a lock box that attached to the roof rack, the code was 911....

interestingly when that van got taken to the scrap yard he forgot to remove the lock box , locked himself out of the replacement van, so his mom bought him a new lock box.

he is a teenager and knows everything.

On 2015-05-01 6:29 PM, bob haller wrote:
I repair office machines and one of my customers has a rolling cart they lost the key for, and they now want use the stuff in that cabinet.....

I tried getting keys from the cabinet supplier but they didnt work...

has anyone ever drilled out a lock?

I would rather avoid damaging the cabinet much. and other than flip or flop have never seen anyone drill out a lock. on flip or flop they just start drilling, but never show what happens.


I use a 1/4" bit in my 18V Milwaukee, drill straight and it pops the
latch off the back. Replace with new lock.

--
Dr. WTF

On 5/2/2015 10:36 AM, FrozenNorth wrote:

My wife carries the spare car key, now as long as I never lock my keys
and my wife in the car, I am probably safe. :-)


Locked my keys in the car once. It was a convertible and got soaked
because I couldn't get the door open to put the top up.

On 5/2/2015 3:58 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
I have a keyring I wear on my belt that has
duplicate ignition and door keys to several
vehicles. When I exit my vehicle, I always
remove and snap the primary vehicle keyring
back on my belt. I developed the habit over
the years and usually know immediately when my
keys aren't on my belt. It's very rare for me
to have to use my backup key. 8-]

[8~{} Uncle Forgetful Monster


One time I did get the privilege of watching
a sherrifs deputy lock his keys in. He was
parked right behind me, blocking me in at the
moment. I handled the matter with courtesy and
manners.

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Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
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i once owned 3 chevy citations. it was a pia carrying so many keys. One day I met a locksmith who re keyed all the vehicles the same.

i really liked chevy citations

On Saturday, May 2, 2015 at 10:40:33 PM UTC-5, bob haller wrote:
i once owned 3 chevy citations. it was a pia carrying so many keys. One day I met a locksmith who re keyed all the vehicles the same.

i really liked chevy citations

I think many law enforcement agencies have their patrol cars keyed alike. 8-]

[8~{} Uncle Cop Monster

On Saturday, May 2, 2015 at 10:40:33 PM UTC-5, bob haller wrote:
i once owned 3 chevy citations. it was a pia carrying so many keys. One day I met a locksmith who re keyed all the vehicles the same.

i really liked chevy citations

I had the '80 V-6...died at 60K (oil pump broke, #2 crank journal seized). GM played the violin as I cried...you must have had the "iron duke" 4-cyl?

On Sunday, May 3, 2015 at 8:33:57 AM UTC-4, bob_villa wrote:
On Saturday, May 2, 2015 at 10:40:33 PM UTC-5, bob haller wrote:
i once owned 3 chevy citations. it was a pia carrying so many keys. One day I met a locksmith who re keyed all the vehicles the same.

i really liked chevy citations

I had the '80 V-6...died at 60K (oil pump broke, #2 crank journal seized).. GM played the violin as I cried...you must have had the "iron duke" 4-cyl?

the garage i always went to, the mechanic did some work on the carb. I pulled out into heavy traffic and found the throttle stuck. by the time I got the engine stopped it had self destructed.....

the garage said they would pay for a used engine and install it for free

so i offered to pay the difference between the used engine, and a new GM engine in a crate. it cost 1500 bucks, but i forget what GM called them think i paid 700 bucks. the garage found the crate engine took a lot more labor, bolting on all the accesories and perhaps the head?

it all worked out I was that pro cares top customer $ wise.

that citation was a v6, my 4 cyclinder engine got a head gasket leak at just over 100,000 miles, and after repairs it went to near 170,000 miles.

i replaced citations with dodge caravans,, my one went 450,000 miles...

it was like a family member died when it was towed away

at one time i was driving 45K miles a year, fixing office machines

On Sunday, May 3, 2015 at 7:46:23 AM UTC-5, bob haller wrote:

You know how you always hear: "it seized-up" or "it threw a rod"? I rebuilt mine...this is what happened, the undriven gear's pin in the oil pump moved out of the pump casing and was hit by the crank...breaking the pump case. Zero oil pressure, zero outside temp...and a female driving...the rest is history!

On 5/3/2015 8:33 AM, bob_villa wrote:

GM played the violin as I cried...

Exactly why I no longer own a GM automobile. Screw them.
Last warranty issue they offered me $500 off on a new car but would not
fix mine.

wrote in message
...

I had a 66 Chevelle and my key fit my dad's 65 Impala but his key
wouldn't fit mine. Back in the olden days if there were 10 guys in a
bar with a GM, you had a chance one of them had a key that would start
your car. They all used the same blank and there were not that many
different keys, along with a pretty crude wafer lock. A worn key was
better than a new one for starting someone else's car. Wiggle the key
a little while trying to turn it and you could tease all the wafers
into lining up.

During those years I think there were only a few key choices in most brands.
In high school 3 friends each had a ford of the same year. The keys were
not a total match, but one key would start two of the cars and the door key
would not fit, but if moved to the other car, it would open that door. I
had a Chevy key that fit a Tempest of a friend.

On 5/1/2015 8:29 PM, bob haller wrote:
I repair office machines and one of my customers has a rolling cart they lost the key for, and they now want use the stuff in that cabinet.....

I tried getting keys from the cabinet supplier but they didnt work...

has anyone ever drilled out a lock?

I would rather avoid damaging the cabinet much. and other than flip or flop have never seen anyone drill out a lock. on flip or flop they just start drilling, but never show what happens.


Yes, I've drilled out scores of them. I had a sideline business repairing
arcade games, pinball machines and such. One problem was that the workers
were continually losing keys. Typical 'flat-key' locks take about a 1/4" or
3/8" standard bit and a few minutes. 'Cylinder-key' locks take a bit longer
since you need to center-punch first.

The really buggers are locks such as those made by Medeco and used on
change machines and high-value vending machines. _Those_ require a bit of
initial drilling to get a start and then, of all things, a carbide masonry
bit (at least that is the best I ever found). Those lock bodies have
hardened steel rods buried in them which catch the drill bit so a heavy
corded drill and a lot of caution to avoid a broken wrist. With those I
sometimes expended two or three cheap bits because of dulling and breakage.

Your typical cheap cylinder cabinet lock should be gone in a couple of
minutes with a combination of drill and screwdriver.

On 5/3/2015 3:03 PM, BenignBodger wrote:

Your typical cheap cylinder cabinet lock should be gone in a couple of
minutes with a combination of drill and screwdriver.

Petty thieves every where thank you for the
OJT.

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Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
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bob_villa posted for all of us...



On Friday, May 1, 2015 at 7:29:44 PM UTC-5, bob haller wrote:
I repair office machines and one of my customers has a rolling cart they lost the key for, and they now want use the stuff in that cabinet.....

I tried getting keys from the cabinet supplier but they didnt work...

has anyone ever drilled out a lock?

I would rather avoid damaging the cabinet much. and other than flip or flop have never seen anyone drill out a lock. on flip or flop they just start drilling, but never show what happens.

Those are easy to pick, usually disc tumblers...bend a paper clip to have a bump on the end of the wire Like a small V about 1/16" high...hold a turning pressure on the barrel (preferably in the direction it opens), go back and forth across the tumblers (rake). They will get hug-up one by one until it opens.

+1 Done it.

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Tekkie *Please post a follow-up*