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I have a LazyBoy recliner chair that needs a fix.
I will try to describe the chair, and its problem. The chair has wooden arms with wooden supports three vertical, round 'rods' (my word) each about 10" long and about 2" diameter. The 'rods' go thru round holes in the chair arms. When originally built, the 'rods' look like they were made to stay in the arms by having a small wooden wedge forced into the 'rods' so as to make them stay in place in the arms. Wouldn't you know - the arms have begun to pull off the 'rods'. Put it another way - the 'rods' now portrude thru the arm holes and stick up about an inch. There - I hope I have described the problem well enough that someone can advise me how to fix this. I think the proper way to fix the rods would be to remove the wooden wedge from each rod, and replace it with another slightly bigger wedge to basically make the rod stay in the arm's hole. Plus maybe a little glue? I am not a carpenter, so I can't really do this. But I am wondering - is there a glue or some other substance that I could coat onto the part of the rod that is sticking up (about 1/2") that would hold the rod in place - maybe even swell the rod to make it a tight fit again? Thanks JW |
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I have a LazyBoy recliner chair that needs a fix. I will try to describe the chair, and its problem. The chair has wooden arms with wooden supports three vertical, round 'rods' (my word) each about 10" long and about 2" diameter. The 'rods' go thru round holes in the chair arms. When originally built, the 'rods' look like they were made to stay in the arms by having a small wooden wedge forced into the 'rods' so as to make them stay in place in the arms. Wouldn't you know - the arms have begun to pull off the 'rods'. Put it another way - the 'rods' now portrude thru the arm holes and stick up about an inch. There - I hope I have described the problem well enough that someone can advise me how to fix this. I think the proper way to fix the rods would be to remove the wooden wedge from each rod, and replace it with another slightly bigger wedge to basically make the rod stay in the arm's hole. Plus maybe a little glue? That could work, depending upon your skill and how much the hole and "rod" differ in size. And yes, use glue. The _best_ glue for the purpose would be thickened epoxy but it sounds as if that might be beyond your skill level; plain old yellow glue would work if hole/"rod" are not too far off in diameter.. A more sure way of accomplishing the fix would to be to drill a hole horizontally through one side of the arm, through the "rod" and part way through he other side of the arm. Insert - with glue - a dowel of the same size as the hole. -- dadiOH ____________________________ Winters getting colder? Tired of the rat race? Taxes out of hand? Maybe just ready for a change? Check it out... http://www.floridaloghouse.net |
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On Sunday, January 25, 2015 at 9:55:24 AM UTC-5, dadiOH wrote:
wrote in message I have a LazyBoy recliner chair that needs a fix. I will try to describe the chair, and its problem. The chair has wooden arms with wooden supports three vertical, round 'rods' (my word) each about 10" long and about 2" diameter. The 'rods' go thru round holes in the chair arms. When originally built, the 'rods' look like they were made to stay in the arms by having a small wooden wedge forced into the 'rods' so as to make them stay in place in the arms. Wouldn't you know - the arms have begun to pull off the 'rods'. Put it another way - the 'rods' now portrude thru the arm holes and stick up about an inch. There - I hope I have described the problem well enough that someone can advise me how to fix this. I think the proper way to fix the rods would be to remove the wooden wedge from each rod, and replace it with another slightly bigger wedge to basically make the rod stay in the arm's hole. Plus maybe a little glue? That could work, depending upon your skill and how much the hole and "rod" differ in size. And yes, use glue. The _best_ glue for the purpose would be thickened epoxy but it sounds as if that might be beyond your skill level; plain old yellow glue would work if hole/"rod" are not too far off in diameter.. A more sure way of accomplishing the fix would to be to drill a hole horizontally through one side of the arm, through the "rod" and part way through he other side of the arm. Insert - with glue - a dowel of the same size as the hole. -- dadiOH From what's described, the plan to wedge and glue sounds right. He plans on removing the wedge that's there, putting in a new wooden one. IDK how easy they are to get out, but if they won't easily come out, might another option be to get some small steel wedges and just drive them in without taking old ones out? Do they make such a thing? |
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On 1/25/2015 9:55 AM, dadiOH wrote:
A more sure way of accomplishing the fix would to be to drill a hole horizontally through one side of the arm, through the "rod" and part way through he other side of the arm. Insert - with glue - a dowel of the same size as the hole. I had been thinking pilot hole, grease, and wood or machine screw. Small wedges. Apologies, delted the post with the question. Yes, sold for tightening hammer or axe handles. For now, I think gorilla glue has a good chance of success. I have repaired chairs with gorilla glue. I've learned to glue, and sit with the repair for several minutes. The glue expands, and I had to use a razor to trim off the glue that expanded out, before it hardened. - .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
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trader_4 typed: On Sunday, January 25, 2015 at 9:55:24 AM UTC-5, dadiOH wrote: wrote in message I have a LazyBoy recliner chair that needs a fix. I will try to describe the chair, and its problem. The chair has wooden arms with wooden supports three vertical, round 'rods' (my word) each about 10" long and about 2" diameter. The 'rods' go thru round holes in the chair arms. When originally built, the 'rods' look like they were made to stay in the arms by having a small wooden wedge forced into the 'rods' so as to make them stay in place in the arms. Wouldn't you know - the arms have begun to pull off the 'rods'. Put it another way - the 'rods' now portrude thru the arm holes and stick up about an inch. There - I hope I have described the problem well enough that someone can advise me how to fix this. I think the proper way to fix the rods would be to remove the wooden wedge from each rod, and replace it with another slightly bigger wedge to basically make the rod stay in the arm's hole. Plus maybe a little glue? From what's described, the plan to wedge and glue sounds right. He plans on removing the wedge that's there, putting in a new wooden one. IDK how easy they are to get out, but if they won't easily come out, might another option be to get some small steel wedges and just drive them in without taking old ones out? Do they make such a thing? There are small metal wedges that are used to repair loose wooden hammer handles. I just did a Google search for "hammer repair wedge" and saw a lot of links. Then I clicked on Google Images for the same search and saw a lot of images and examples there too. Apparently, they sell these at hardware stores and maybe Home Depot, Lowes, etc. |
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.... For now, I think gorilla glue has a good chance of success. I have repaired chairs with gorilla glue. I've learned to glue, and sit with the repair for several minutes. The glue expands, and I had to use a razor to trim off the glue that expanded out, before it hardened. we must be tough on our chairs as i had to redo all of them after first using GG. and yes, i followed the directions... the 2nd time i used epoxy with some flex in it that was wood compatible. no failures since then. songbird |
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On Sunday, January 25, 2015 at 10:35:26 AM UTC-5, TomR wrote:
In , trader_4 typed: On Sunday, January 25, 2015 at 9:55:24 AM UTC-5, dadiOH wrote: wrote in message I have a LazyBoy recliner chair that needs a fix. I will try to describe the chair, and its problem. The chair has wooden arms with wooden supports three vertical, round 'rods' (my word) each about 10" long and about 2" diameter. The 'rods' go thru round holes in the chair arms. When originally built, the 'rods' look like they were made to stay in the arms by having a small wooden wedge forced into the 'rods' so as to make them stay in place in the arms. Wouldn't you know - the arms have begun to pull off the 'rods'. Put it another way - the 'rods' now portrude thru the arm holes and stick up about an inch. There - I hope I have described the problem well enough that someone can advise me how to fix this. I think the proper way to fix the rods would be to remove the wooden wedge from each rod, and replace it with another slightly bigger wedge to basically make the rod stay in the arm's hole. Plus maybe a little glue? From what's described, the plan to wedge and glue sounds right. He plans on removing the wedge that's there, putting in a new wooden one. IDK how easy they are to get out, but if they won't easily come out, might another option be to get some small steel wedges and just drive them in without taking old ones out? Do they make such a thing? There are small metal wedges that are used to repair loose wooden hammer handles. That's what I was thinking about, knew I saw them somewhere, but couldn't think of an example. I just did a Google search for "hammer repair wedge" and saw a lot of links. Then I clicked on Google Images for the same search and saw a lot of images and examples there too. Apparently, they sell these at hardware stores and maybe Home Depot, Lowes, etc. Yes, sounds like it might be an option. Unless the old ones are falling out, I'd try to find a suitable metal size one to drive in beside it. Of course you don't want one that's too big.... |
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2015 09:12:16 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote: On 1/25/2015 8:29 AM, wrote: I have a LazyBoy recliner chair that needs a fix. I will try to describe the chair, and its problem. The chair has wooden arms with wooden supports three vertical, round 'rods' (my word) each about 10" long and about 2" diameter. The 'rods' go thru round holes in the chair arms. When originally built, the 'rods' look like they were made to stay in the arms by having a small wooden wedge forced into the 'rods' so as to make them stay in place in the arms. Wouldn't you know - the arms have begun to pull off the 'rods'. Put it another way - the 'rods' now portrude thru the arm holes and stick up about an inch. There - I hope I have described the problem well enough that someone can advise me how to fix this. I think the proper way to fix the rods would be to remove the wooden wedge from each rod, and replace it with another slightly bigger wedge to basically make the rod stay in the arm's hole. Plus maybe a little glue? I am not a carpenter, so I can't really do this. But I am wondering - is there a glue or some other substance that I could coat onto the part of the rod that is sticking up (about 1/2") that would hold the rod in place - maybe even swell the rod to make it a tight fit again? Thanks JW Gorilla Glue is one option. Please do some internet research on the product. Works fine in many situations. This might be one such. - . Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus . www.lds.org . One word - WONDERLOK 'EM. Ace Hardware.. It'll cost you a "Hamilton" |
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On 1/25/2015 12:12 PM, wrote:
One word - WONDERLOK (1) 'EM(2) . |
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2015 17:45:05 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote: On 1/25/2015 12:12 PM, wrote: One word - WONDERLOK (1) 'EM(2) . Anything intelligent to say, Stormy??? |
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2015 22:14:32 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote: On 1/25/2015 8:13 PM, wrote: On Sun, 25 Jan 2015 17:45:05 -0500, Stormin Mormon wrote: On 1/25/2015 12:12 PM, wrote: One word - WONDERLOK (1) 'EM(2) . Anything intelligent to say, Stormy??? One word: Just (1) did (2). - . Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus . www.lds.org . . Wonderlok'em is the name of the product. I call it one word. |
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2015 10:37:23 -0500, "TomR" wrote:
There are small metal wedges that are used to repair loose wooden hammer handles. I wonder if they are not too big and a nail or two of the right length might be better. If he can't get the old wedge out, or doesn't want to for some reason. I just did a Google search for "hammer repair wedge" and saw a lot of links. Then I clicked on Google Images for the same search and saw a lot of images and examples there too. Apparently, they sell these at hardware stores and maybe Home Depot, Lowes, etc. I think I bought one of these once, but I like wooden wedges for hammer handles better. I think the metal one worked in one case but was too thick for most cases. |
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2015 11:49:39 -0500, songbird
wrote: the 2nd time i used epoxy with some flex in it that was wood compatible. no failures since then. They make epoxy with flex in it??? Do you remember the brand? |
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2015 12:12:09 -0500, wrote:
. One word - WONDERLOK 'EM. Ace Hardware.. It'll cost you a "Hamilton" We have a ACE nearby - I'll ask. Thanks JW |
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2015 23:21:39 -0500, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jan 2015 22:14:32 -0500, Stormin Mormon wrote: On 1/25/2015 8:13 PM, wrote: On Sun, 25 Jan 2015 17:45:05 -0500, Stormin Mormon wrote: On 1/25/2015 12:12 PM, wrote: One word - WONDERLOK (1) 'EM(2) . Anything intelligent to say, Stormy??? One word: Just (1) did (2). - . Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus . www.lds.org . . Wonderlok'em is the name of the product. I call it one word. Oh boy! |
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2015 09:55:19 -0500, "dadiOH"
wrote: That could work, depending upon your skill and how much the hole and "rod" differ in size. And yes, use glue. The _best_ glue for the purpose would be thickened epoxy but it sounds as if that might be beyond your skill level; plain old yellow glue would work if hole/"rod" are not too far off in diameter.. A more sure way of accomplishing the fix would to be to drill a hole horizontally through one side of the arm, through the "rod" and part way through he other side of the arm. Insert - with glue - a dowel of the same size as the hole. Thought of trying that. I may have to do it. Thanks JW |
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Just for info:
Pianos are tuned by twisting a steel pin that sits in a wood board. Old pianos sometimes have the holes enlarged, or have small splits in the wood, and won't hold a tune, the pins will untwist under the tension of the string. One cure is to remove the pins, redrill the holes, and install bigger pins. But that's expensive and many pianos aren't worth it, or the board isn't in good enough shape. Another cure is to tip the piano over so the board is flat, and drip a bit of crazy glue into the base of each pin. It has to be very thin glue. |
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On 1/25/2015 11:21 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jan 2015 22:14:32 -0500, Stormin Mormon wrote: On 1/25/2015 8:13 PM, wrote: On Sun, 25 Jan 2015 17:45:05 -0500, Stormin Mormon wrote: On 1/25/2015 12:12 PM, wrote: One word - WONDERLOK (1) 'EM(2) . Anything intelligent to say, Stormy??? One word: Just (1) did (2). - . Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus . www.lds.org . . Wonderlok'em is the name of the product. I call it one word. Call it what you want. Two sets of letters separated by a space is considered by most to be two words. - .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
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On 1/26/2015 7:18 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jan 2015 23:21:39 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 25 Jan 2015 22:14:32 -0500, Stormin Mormon wrote: On 1/25/2015 8:13 PM, wrote: On Sun, 25 Jan 2015 17:45:05 -0500, Stormin Mormon wrote: On 1/25/2015 12:12 PM, wrote: One word - WONDERLOK (1) 'EM(2) . Anything intelligent to say, Stormy??? One word: Just (1) did (2). - . Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus . www.lds.org . . Wonderlok'em is the name of the product. I call it one word. Oh boy! If Clare calls that one word, makes me wonder what else he writes, and no one else knows what he meant? - .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
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Stormin Mormon typed: On 1/25/2015 12:12 PM, wrote: One word - WONDERLOK (1) 'EM(2) . So, how does Wonderlok 'Em work? I have never used it and when I tried doing a Google search and a YouTube search I didn't find anything that explains how it works, or why it works, differently from other glue-type products. I have tried using Gorilla Glue for chairs, thinking that the Gorilla Glue expands (which it does), but I didn't like the end results. Does the Wonderlok 'Em expand and/or does it stay slightly flexible rather than becoming brittle like ordinary wood glue? |
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On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 12:33:11 -0500, "TomR" wrote:
In , Stormin Mormon typed: On 1/25/2015 12:12 PM, wrote: One word - WONDERLOK (1) 'EM(2) . So, how does Wonderlok 'Em work? I have never used it and when I tried doing a Google search and a YouTube search I didn't find anything that explains how it works, or why it works, differently from other glue-type products. I have tried using Gorilla Glue for chairs, thinking that the Gorilla Glue expands (which it does), but I didn't like the end results. Does the Wonderlok 'Em expand and/or does it stay slightly flexible rather than becoming brittle like ordinary wood glue? Wonderlok-em dries slightly flexible, and it soaks in to the wood and THEN expands - making the joint tight, and stabilizing it. Supposed to be "the cat's meow" for loose furniture joints. |
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typed: On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 12:33:11 -0500, "TomR" wrote: In , Stormin Mormon typed: On 1/25/2015 12:12 PM, wrote: One word - WONDERLOK (1) 'EM(2) . So, how does Wonderlok 'Em work? I have never used it and when I tried doing a Google search and a YouTube search I didn't find anything that explains how it works, or why it works, differently from other glue-type products. I have tried using Gorilla Glue for chairs, thinking that the Gorilla Glue expands (which it does), but I didn't like the end results. Does the Wonderlok 'Em expand and/or does it stay slightly flexible rather than becoming brittle like ordinary wood glue? Wonderlok-em dries slightly flexible, and it soaks in to the wood and THEN expands - making the joint tight, and stabilizing it. Supposed to be "the cat's meow" for loose furniture joints. Thanks. I appreciate the explanation of how it works. That sounds much better than the way that Gorilla Glue worked for me the one time that I tried it. I'll definitely try Wonderlok 'Em the next time that I have loose furniture joints that need fixing. Right now, I am looking around to see if I can find an excuse to try it and see how it works -- checking out chairs etc. I was surprised that there were no YouTube videos about it, or at least I couldn't find any. I would think that the company would want to create such a video for marketing purposes. |
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songbird wrote: the 2nd time i used epoxy with some flex in it that was wood compatible. no failures since then. They make epoxy with flex in it??? Do you remember the brand? no, sorry, it was one of those off-the-shelf syringes at the local hardware store so you might find something similar. i'm not talking about rubber cement type flexible, just a type that has a little give to it so it doesn't shatter. most work done was to get the surfaces cleaned up (both times grr!) and then clamping while the glue set. songbird |
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On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 14:27:50 -0500, songbird
wrote: micky wrote: songbird wrote: the 2nd time i used epoxy with some flex in it that was wood compatible. no failures since then. They make epoxy with flex in it??? Do you remember the brand? no, sorry, it was one of those off-the-shelf syringes at the local hardware store so you might find something similar. i'm not talking about rubber cement type flexible, just a type that has a little give to it so it doesn't shatter. That would be good. I don't remmeber needing it before, but I know if I have some, I'll need it. most work done was to get the surfaces cleaned up (both times grr!) and then clamping while the glue set. Some times I t hink of all the things we threw away when I was little, because the only glues they had, or we knew about, were Elmer's white glue and Duco Cement (which my mother kept buying but never worked at all for me.) songbird Thanks. I'll keep my eyes open. What I like for cloth is contact cement. It really bends |
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songbird wrote: micky wrote: songbird wrote: the 2nd time i used epoxy with some flex in it that was wood compatible. no failures since then. They make epoxy with flex in it??? Do you remember the brand? no, sorry, it was one of those off-the-shelf syringes at the local hardware store so you might find something similar. i'm not talking about rubber cement type flexible, just a type that has a little give to it so it doesn't shatter. That would be good. I don't remmeber needing it before, but I know if I have some, I'll need it. i usually need something about a week after i finally get rid of it. most work done was to get the surfaces cleaned up (both times grr!) and then clamping while the glue set. Some times I t hink of all the things we threw away when I was little, because the only glues they had, or we knew about, were Elmer's white glue and Duco Cement (which my mother kept buying but never worked at all for me.) Duco, not familiar with that glue. .... What I like for cloth is contact cement. It really bends yes, that's kinda like rubber cement on steroids. works well for some applications. i use it the most when repairing shoes. songbird |
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On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 05:32:38 -0800 (PST), TimR
wrote: Just for info: Pianos are tuned by twisting a steel pin that sits in a wood board. Old pianos sometimes have the holes enlarged, or have small splits in the wood, and won't hold a tune, the pins will untwist under the tension of the string. One cure is to remove the pins, redrill the holes, and install bigger pins. Because of all the snipping and because I don't read Subject lines, only now I see -- a little too late -- that pianos are not the topic of the thread, but since I wrote this all, I'll post it for those of you with pianos. I'm 99% sure you don't always need to redrill the hole. I'm 99% sure that in college, I replaced one pin with a larger one without any drilling. Indeed the piano repairman at the Kimball Piano Company** who gave me the peg didn't say anything about redrilling. I guess the new pin was just a little bit bigger than the old. (I know I had no drill and I didn't drill anything. The only other possibility is that I just tapped the old pin in harder.) Whatever I did, it worked at least until I left Chicago 5 years later. **The repair department was on the 4th or 5th floor of their store on State Street in downtown Chicago. Then I just called up to find out where it was, took the eleveater up and asked a couple questions, and the first guy sort of put me on a tour, to one guy who sent me to the next guy to a total of about four guys, each of whom showed me what he did and gave me parts to use. Then maybe back to the first guy who gave me the address of the wholesale piano parts store in Chcaog and his name to use so I could get 50% off the wholesale price. I'm no poor college student anymore but this stuff might be easily available on the web now, to anyone (at almost retail price, but still cheap. To put in a new peg YOU MUST SUPPORT THE SOUND BOARD ON THE PIANO BOARD 4 INCHES BENEATH IT (assuming it's a grand so the other board is *beneath* it. Beside it for an upright.) Or the sound board will crack and the piano will be worthless. Though the fraternity didn't have much scrap wood, I was lucky enough tofind a block of wood 4x4" or more just the right height that I had to push to get it in place. There was no slack and no extra. And then I still tapped softly, getting gradually a little harder until the pin went in. You'll also probably need new wire for that string. Unless maybe you wrapped the coil around the pin before putting the pin in. I know I restrung one pair of keys but I'm not sure if it was t hat one or another. (In a way it couldnt' have been that one, because if the string were broken, as one was, I couldnt' have tried retightening it.) To get the right wire you need to provide the key, B flat 2 octaves above middle C, or something like that. And you need to provide THE HARP SIZE. Pianos come in several sizes and the harp (I think it is called) size is a letter from A? to E or F reverse-embossed** in the harp, The same diameter string on a different size harp would give a different pitch, so you need the harp size and the key. But some spare too because piano wire is the strongest wire and it might come in handy. Very hard to bend, however. **What's the word for reverse-embossed, where the letter sticks out *away* from the surface? And you'll probably need a tuning wrench. The pegs are square but they're in a crowd and hard to get any other wrench on them. And someone wth a good enough ear to tune them. With multi-string keys, first you dampen all but one string, and tune it, then you tune the other strings to match that oner, listening until the beat frequency disappears. I'm sure more about how to do that is online, but it's worth mentioning that it's impossible to perfectly tune a piano. If you make every third an accurate third and every fifth an accurate fifth, you won't get an accurate octave!!! So tuning is a compromise. I guess that is one reason they came out with the well tempered clavier, in which the frequency ratio between every pair of consecutive keys is the same, iiuc. But the piano is a millon times more popular. I also needed a few ivories and black keys (ebony). IIRC the phone receptionist at Kimballs told me to call Lyon and Healy, and for sure the phone receptionist at Lyon and Healy told me to call their repair location in some industrial n'hood of Chicago. But I didnt have to go there. As soon as I started in on what I wanted he interrupted with What's your address. And he mailed me a big back of used ivories (many with cigarette burns but plenty without too.) and plenty of black keys. I don't know where the rest of the bag is or the rest of the piano wire. I might have left the bag behind on purpose but I know I had the piano wire for several years and I never would have given it away, since before the web, once I left chicago, I had no idea where to buy more. Oh well. But that's expensive and many pianos aren't worth it, or the board isn't in good enough shape. Another cure is to tip the piano over so the board is flat, and drip a bit of crazy glue into the base of each pin. It has to be very thin glue. |
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On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 05:39:04 -0500, Norminn
wrote: If you have a mallet, some toothpicks and Gorilla wood glue, you may Round or flat? The wood seems entirely different. have a chance ) I would even split a couple of toothpicks, soak them in water for a few minutes to soften them. Apply a couple of pieces of toothpick to the top of the supports and then glue (follow instructions on the glue carefully) and push them into the hole in the arm. Smack the arm down carefully until top of rod is flush with arm. Watch for glue oozing and wipe it carefully. Would also help if there is crusty old glue on the support to scrape that off before beginning the repair. Good luck, and let us know. |
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On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 15:44:47 -0500, songbird
wrote: micky wrote: songbird wrote: micky wrote: songbird wrote: the 2nd time i used epoxy with some flex in it that was wood compatible. no failures since then. They make epoxy with flex in it??? Do you remember the brand? no, sorry, it was one of those off-the-shelf syringes at the local hardware store so you might find something similar. i'm not talking about rubber cement type flexible, just a type that has a little give to it so it doesn't shatter. That would be good. I don't remmeber needing it before, but I know if I have some, I'll need it. i usually need something about a week after i finally get rid of it. I've had that too, on the two times I ever got rid of something. most work done was to get the surfaces cleaned up (both times grr!) and then clamping while the glue set. Some times I t hink of all the things we threw away when I was little, because the only glues they had, or we knew about, were Elmer's white glue and Duco Cement (which my mother kept buying but never worked at all for me.) Duco, not familiar with that glue. It came in a plastic or metal squeeze tube, with iirc a metal screw one screwed in to seal it. The screw wire on the outside of the tube was bent into a diamond shape. so it was easy to unscrew. Although the glue didn't stick to it anyhow. Maybe I wasn't the only one for whom it never worked. ... What I like for cloth is contact cement. It really bends yes, that's kinda like rubber cement on steroids. works well for some applications. i use it the most when repairing shoes. songbird |
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On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 15:44:47 -0500, songbird
wrote: micky wrote: songbird wrote: micky wrote: songbird wrote: the 2nd time i used epoxy with some flex in it that was wood compatible. no failures since then. They make epoxy with flex in it??? Do you remember the brand? no, sorry, it was one of those off-the-shelf syringes at the local hardware store so you might find something similar. i'm not talking about rubber cement type flexible, just a type that has a little give to it so it doesn't shatter. That would be good. I don't remmeber needing it before, but I know if I have some, I'll need it. i usually need something about a week after i finally get rid of it. most work done was to get the surfaces cleaned up (both times grr!) and then clamping while the glue set. Some times I t hink of all the things we threw away when I was little, because the only glues they had, or we knew about, were Elmer's white glue and Duco Cement (which my mother kept buying but never worked at all for me.) Duco, not familiar with that glue. ... What I like for cloth is contact cement. It really bends yes, that's kinda like rubber cement on steroids. works well for some applications. i use it the most when repairing shoes. PlioBond was the go-to glue when Lepages Household Cement (Duco) didn't do the job back when I was growing up. For shoes, Shoe-Goo works pretty good.for patching uppers. I had a pair of good shoes with the heals worn down - to the point they had holes in them. Moulded heal/sole assembly. I had a set of "Black Cat" replacement heals floating around from a decade or so ago the construction of the integrated heal/sole precluded nailing them on, so I grabbed a part-tube of urethane windsheild mounting adhesive from the glass-shop. That stuff sticks like snott to virtually anything - except the plastic the heals are made of----.. I had a bottle of InstaCure+ from Kroeger Inc that was getting a bit thick so I slopped some onto the edge of the heals and stuck them on. Over a month of daily wear and they are still on.. songbird |
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On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 15:49:12 -0500, micky
wrote: On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 05:32:38 -0800 (PST), TimR wrote: Just for info: Pianos are tuned by twisting a steel pin that sits in a wood board. Old pianos sometimes have the holes enlarged, or have small splits in the wood, and won't hold a tune, the pins will untwist under the tension of the string. One cure is to remove the pins, redrill the holes, and install bigger pins. Because of all the snipping and because I don't read Subject lines, only now I see -- a little too late -- that pianos are not the topic of the thread, but since I wrote this all, I'll post it for those of you with pianos. I'm 99% sure you don't always need to redrill the hole. I'm 99% sure that in college, I replaced one pin with a larger one without any drilling. Indeed the piano repairman at the Kimball Piano Company** who gave me the peg didn't say anything about redrilling. I guess the new pin was just a little bit bigger than the old. (I know I had no drill and I didn't drill anything. The only other possibility is that I just tapped the old pin in harder.) Whatever I did, it worked at least until I left Chicago 5 years later. The tuning pins come in 7 sizes, spanning a total of .030" from SH1 to SH7, so you DEFINITELY do not drill the tuning block!! **The repair department was on the 4th or 5th floor of their store on State Street in downtown Chicago. Then I just called up to find out where it was, took the eleveater up and asked a couple questions, and the first guy sort of put me on a tour, to one guy who sent me to the next guy to a total of about four guys, each of whom showed me what he did and gave me parts to use. Then maybe back to the first guy who gave me the address of the wholesale piano parts store in Chcaog and his name to use so I could get 50% off the wholesale price. I'm no poor college student anymore but this stuff might be easily available on the web now, to anyone (at almost retail price, but still cheap. To put in a new peg YOU MUST SUPPORT THE SOUND BOARD ON THE PIANO BOARD 4 INCHES BENEATH IT (assuming it's a grand so the other board is *beneath* it. Beside it for an upright.) Or the sound board will crack and the piano will be worthless. Though the fraternity didn't have much scrap wood, I was lucky enough tofind a block of wood 4x4" or more just the right height that I had to push to get it in place. There was no slack and no extra. And then I still tapped softly, getting gradually a little harder until the pin went in. You'll also probably need new wire for that string. Unless maybe you wrapped the coil around the pin before putting the pin in. I know I restrung one pair of keys but I'm not sure if it was t hat one or another. (In a way it couldnt' have been that one, because if the string were broken, as one was, I couldnt' have tried retightening it.) To get the right wire you need to provide the key, B flat 2 octaves above middle C, or something like that. And you need to provide THE HARP SIZE. Pianos come in several sizes and the harp (I think it is called) size is a letter from A? to E or F reverse-embossed** in the harp, The same diameter string on a different size harp would give a different pitch, so you need the harp size and the key. But some spare too because piano wire is the strongest wire and it might come in handy. Very hard to bend, however. **What's the word for reverse-embossed, where the letter sticks out *away* from the surface? And you'll probably need a tuning wrench. The pegs are square but they're in a crowd and hard to get any other wrench on them. Never attempt to turn a tuning pin with anythong other than a tuning key, or you will end up replacing tuning pins. And someone wth a good enough ear to tune them. With multi-string keys, first you dampen all but one string, and tune it, then you tune the other strings to match that oner, listening until the beat frequency disappears. I'm sure more about how to do that is online, but it's worth mentioning that it's impossible to perfectly tune a piano. If you make every third an accurate third and every fifth an accurate fifth, you won't get an accurate octave!!! So tuning is a compromise. I guess that is one reason they came out with the well tempered clavier, in which the frequency ratio between every pair of consecutive keys is the same, iiuc. But the piano is a millon times more popular. You can accurately tune a piano with an application on your smart phone - but an "accurately tuned" piano does not sound right. There is a "flavour" I think they call it, to a piano that requires at least some of the strings to be slightly off theoretical tune to sound right. I also needed a few ivories and black keys (ebony). IIRC the phone receptionist at Kimballs told me to call Lyon and Healy, and for sure the phone receptionist at Lyon and Healy told me to call their repair location in some industrial n'hood of Chicago. But I didnt have to go there. As soon as I started in on what I wanted he interrupted with What's your address. And he mailed me a big back of used ivories (many with cigarette burns but plenty without too.) and plenty of black keys. I don't know where the rest of the bag is or the rest of the piano wire. I might have left the bag behind on purpose but I know I had the piano wire for several years and I never would have given it away, since before the web, once I left chicago, I had no idea where to buy more. Oh well. But that's expensive and many pianos aren't worth it, or the board isn't in good enough shape. Another cure is to tip the piano over so the board is flat, and drip a bit of crazy glue into the base of each pin. It has to be very thin glue. |
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On 1/26/2015 3:50 PM, micky wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 05:39:04 -0500, Norminn wrote: If you have a mallet, some toothpicks and Gorilla wood glue, you may Round or flat? The wood seems entirely different. I don't think it matters....I would start small so you don't risk splitting the arm of the chair....just need to fill a little space left by wood aging and shrinking. The glue will bond it all together and in my experience Gorilla Wood Glue is very strong. It also foams, helping to fill space. Gotta be ready to wipe off the little bit that oozes as it cures. have a chance ) I would even split a couple of toothpicks, soak them in water for a few minutes to soften them. Apply a couple of pieces of toothpick to the top of the supports and then glue (follow instructions on the glue carefully) and push them into the hole in the arm. Smack the arm down carefully until top of rod is flush with arm. Watch for glue oozing and wipe it carefully. Would also help if there is crusty old glue on the support to scrape that off before beginning the repair. Good luck, and let us know. |
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On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 19:40:16 -0500, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 15:49:12 -0500, micky wrote: On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 05:32:38 -0800 (PST), TimR wrote: Just for info: Pianos are tuned by twisting a steel pin that sits in a wood board. Old pianos sometimes have the holes enlarged, or have small splits in the wood, and won't hold a tune, the pins will untwist under the tension of the string. One cure is to remove the pins, redrill the holes, and install bigger pins. Because of all the snipping and because I don't read Subject lines, only now I see -- a little too late -- that pianos are not the topic of the thread, but since I wrote this all, I'll post it for those of you with pianos. I'm 99% sure you don't always need to redrill the hole. I'm 99% sure that in college, I replaced one pin with a larger one without any drilling. Indeed the piano repairman at the Kimball Piano Company** who gave me the peg didn't say anything about redrilling. I guess the new pin was just a little bit bigger than the old. (I know I had no drill and I didn't drill anything. The only other possibility is that I just tapped the old pin in harder.) Whatever I did, it worked at least until I left Chicago 5 years later. The tuning pins come in 7 sizes, spanning a total of .030" from SH1 to SH7, so you DEFINITELY do not drill the tuning block!! That's what I thought. I'm also right that there are piano parts for sale online, duh** I don't know if one should use them or not but one of them was metal tuning pin bushings. "Easy to install. Solves the problem of loose tuning pins. Push bushings into the hole up to the shoulder, and then drive tuning pin in. The outer surface of the bushing is embossed to insure firm hold on pin block. One bushing is equal to two sizes larger tuning pin." http://www.howardpianoindustries.com...-pin-bushings/ The cheapest tuning hammer they have is 40 dollars, but my vague recollection is that I paid 10 or 20 dollars 49 years ago. So it's actually cheaper now than it was then, plus then I think I was paying 50% of wholesale. (Unless of course $5 then seemed like 40 now, but I don't think so.) The page for bushings also has a video. Haven't looked at it yet, but there might be other videos. Caution: Story from here until the end. A long time ago I took a bike trip from Wilson North Carolina to NYC with two friends. We were supposed to ride in the morning and evening and sightsee during the heat of the day, but we never sight-saw. When I found out it was 100 degrees, I bowed out. I was almost to Virginai but I decided to hitchhike back to DC and take the train from there. My last ride of the day was a guy with a Mohawk haircut, who told me he'd been in prison, who said he was unemployed, had to move from the house he was in because they had no money, and who had "I found it" stickers all over his dashboard and kitchen. I took my bike and went to eat at a fast food place but I accepted his offer to stay there that night. I even took a shower and imagined the curtain would open at any minute to a guy with a butcher knife. After the shower he said, "I've got a book you might be interested in." I thought, "Here it comes. He's going to try to get me to join some imitation-Mohawk religion or something." He brought me the book and it was "How to repair pianos." We had not discussed pianos at all, but he was right, I was very interested. This was a few years after repairing the fraternity's piano in Chicago Never attempt to turn a tuning pin with anythong other than a tuning key, or you will end up replacing tuning pins. You can accurately tune a piano with an application on your smart phone - but an "accurately tuned" piano does not sound right. There is a "flavour" I think they call it, to a piano that requires at least some of the strings to be slightly off theoretical tune to sound right. BTW, the guys at Kimball gave me felt, hammers, some wooden parts I don't remember the name of, the tuning pin, the piano wire (I had to make a second trip after learning the harp size) and maybe a little more. Every guy gave me something. Maybe they were happy to get an interested visitor. And they are probably who told me to call Lyon and Healy (another brand of piano, and iirc the only place in Chicago that refurbished keyboards themselves..) |
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