In my area, all commercial buildings must have an exterior MAIN breaker,
and it can not be locked. This is so the fire department can shot off
the power quickly if there is a fire or other disaster. While that
makes sense, it causes another problem. It seems there are some idiots
in town that like to go around shutting off the breakers. One local bar
gets their power shut off almost weekly, which not only shuts off all
the lights, but also all the electronics, which include all the video
games, the ATM machine, the tv sets, the juke box, and more. Plus the
refrigeration units. Sonme of these devices need to be completely
rebooted, and if there's a pizza in the pizza oven it's hard to get it
cooked properly after a power outage.

I've heard of other businesses suffering from this too.

Fortunately, someone got caught doing it, and they were arrested. But
there are more than one person, because it still happens.

The bar owner inquired with both an electrician and the fire department,
and was told they can not lock the breaker in any way.

While I'm not connected to any of these businesses, I am aware of the
problem, and know the owner of that bar. He says it's costing him money
everytime the power goes off, because it can take an hour to get some of
the stuff working again, and he has to pay overtime to his employees,
and loses sales, has ruined pizzas, and shuts down the credit card
machine, which is a chore to get working again, and more....

Isn't there something that can be done? Why cant the Fire Dept install
their own lock, and give the owner a key? I decided to post this, to
see if other communities have any sort of solution.

I suggested the bar put a security camera above the breaker, with a
Battery backup on the camera. The owner liked the idea, but said that
would cost money to install, and someone would probably break the
camera.

On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 04:20:11 -0600, wrote:

In my area, all commercial buildings must have an exterior MAIN breaker,
and it can not be locked. This is so the fire department can shot off
the power quickly if there is a fire or other disaster.

Isn't there something that can be done? Why cant the Fire Dept install
their own lock, and give the owner a key? I decided to post this, to
see if other communities have any sort of solution.

Thee is no reason that it cannot be locked and the fire department not
have a universal key. It is done in our town for many businesses for
building access. The problem is you have morons making the rules.



I suggested the bar put a security camera above the breaker, with a
Battery backup on the camera. The owner liked the idea, but said that
would cost money to install, and someone would probably break the
camera.

Along with an emergency light that goes on to help light the box so
the camera can get a good shot of the perp.

In my area, all commercial buildings must have an exterior MAIN breaker,
and it can not be locked. This is so the fire department can shot off
the power quickly if there is a fire or other disaster. While that
makes sense, it causes another problem. It seems there are some idiots
in town that like to go around shutting off the breakers. One local bar
gets their power shut off almost weekly, which not only shuts off all
the lights, but also all the electronics, which include all the video
games, the ATM machine, the tv sets, the juke box, and more. Plus the
refrigeration units. Sonme of these devices need to be completely
rebooted, and if there's a pizza in the pizza oven it's hard to get it
cooked properly after a power outage.

I've heard of other businesses suffering from this too.

Fortunately, someone got caught doing it, and they were arrested. But
there are more than one person, because it still happens.

The bar owner inquired with both an electrician and the fire department,
and was told they can not lock the breaker in any way.

While I'm not connected to any of these businesses, I am aware of the
problem, and know the owner of that bar. He says it's costing him money
everytime the power goes off, because it can take an hour to get some of
the stuff working again, and he has to pay overtime to his employees,
and loses sales, has ruined pizzas, and shuts down the credit card
machine, which is a chore to get working again, and more....

Isn't there something that can be done? Why cant the Fire Dept install
their own lock, and give the owner a key? I decided to post this, to
see if other communities have any sort of solution.

I suggested the bar put a security camera above the breaker, with a
Battery backup on the camera. The owner liked the idea, but said that
would cost money to install, and someone would probably break the
camera.


*There are padlocks available that have a notch built into the shank to make it easier for them to be cut off with bolt cutters. There are also padlocks available that have brass shanks which are easier to cut than hardened steel. See if you can get approval to use one of those types. Another alternative is to hide a key for the department to find in the event of an emergency. Perhaps a lockbox that the fire department has a key to might work..

http://www.mcmaster.com/#padlocks/=v162ew

On 12/15/2014 04:20 AM, wrote:
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snip


I suggested the bar put a security camera above the breaker, with a
Battery backup on the camera. The owner liked the idea, but said that
would cost money to install, and someone would probably break the
camera.





That was an excellent suggestion and a security camera system is
actually not that expensive. The camera could be put in an area high
enough up that a vandal could not easily get at it.

I'd also put a huge bright sign near the breaker stating the area is
monitored.



Heck, the sign plus a good fake camera might even do the job.

On Monday, December 15, 2014 5:20:21 AM UTC-5, wrote:
In my area, all commercial buildings must have an exterior MAIN breaker,
and it can not be locked. This is so the fire department can shot off
the power quickly if there is a fire or other disaster. While that
makes sense, it causes another problem. It seems there are some idiots
in town that like to go around shutting off the breakers. One local bar
gets their power shut off almost weekly, which not only shuts off all
the lights, but also all the electronics, which include all the video
games, the ATM machine, the tv sets, the juke box, and more. Plus the
refrigeration units. Sonme of these devices need to be completely
rebooted, and if there's a pizza in the pizza oven it's hard to get it
cooked properly after a power outage.

I've heard of other businesses suffering from this too.

Fortunately, someone got caught doing it, and they were arrested. But
there are more than one person, because it still happens.

The bar owner inquired with both an electrician and the fire department,
and was told they can not lock the breaker in any way.

While I'm not connected to any of these businesses, I am aware of the
problem, and know the owner of that bar. He says it's costing him money
everytime the power goes off, because it can take an hour to get some of
the stuff working again, and he has to pay overtime to his employees,
and loses sales, has ruined pizzas, and shuts down the credit card
machine, which is a chore to get working again, and more....

Isn't there something that can be done? Why cant the Fire Dept install
their own lock, and give the owner a key? I decided to post this, to
see if other communities have any sort of solution.

I suggested the bar put a security camera above the breaker, with a
Battery backup on the camera. The owner liked the idea, but said that
would cost money to install, and someone would probably break the
camera.

Around here there are no outside main breakers, the fire department pulls the meter. Its quick and easy

On 12/15/2014 07:40 AM, bob haller wrote:
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snip
The bar owner inquired with both an electrician and the fire department,
and was told they can not lock the breaker in any way.

While I'm not connected to any of these businesses, I am aware of the
problem, and know the owner of that bar. He says it's costing him money
everytime the power goes off, because it can take an hour to get some of
the stuff working again, and he has to pay overtime to his employees,
and loses sales, has ruined pizzas, and shuts down the credit card
machine, which is a chore to get working again, and more....

Isn't there something that can be done? Why cant the Fire Dept install
their own lock, and give the owner a key? I decided to post this, to
see if other communities have any sort of solution.

I suggested the bar put a security camera above the breaker, with a
Battery backup on the camera. The owner liked the idea, but said that
would cost money to install, and someone would probably break the
camera.

Around here there are no outside main breakers, the fire department pulls the meter. Its quick and easy




Yep. I was going to post the same thing but you beat me to it.

A vandal is very unlikely to mess with a meter but it can be removed in
a matter of seconds.

On Monday, December 15, 2014 5:50:13 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 04:20:11 -0600, wrote:

In my area, all commercial buildings must have an exterior MAIN breaker,
and it can not be locked. This is so the fire department can shot off
the power quickly if there is a fire or other disaster.

Isn't there something that can be done? Why cant the Fire Dept install
their own lock, and give the owner a key? I decided to post this, to
see if other communities have any sort of solution.

Thee is no reason that it cannot be locked and the fire department not
have a universal key. It is done in our town for many businesses for
building access. The problem is you have morons making the rules.



+1

That's the problem. No locks around here and the FD doesn't have
any problems. If they need to cut power, they just cut the small seal
on the meter and pull it. IDK what special provisions they may have
for big businesses, but for residential, small business, that's all
they do.

Time for the folks affected in town to make this an issue and get
someone with some sense to address it. It trivial for FD to cut
through a small padlock with bolt cutters. And even that would
stop the casual drunk, mischief makers, etc. It's really, really
dumb that something like that isn't allowed.



I suggested the bar put a security camera above the breaker, with a
Battery backup on the camera. The owner liked the idea, but said that
would cost money to install, and someone would probably break the
camera.

Along with an emergency light that goes on to help light the box so
the camera can get a good shot of the perp.

Probably don't even need battery backup, thought that would give
coverage after the interruption. But just one run off AC would
give coverage right up to the disconnect. Even a realistic fake
cam would probably discourage most.

On 12/15/2014 4:20 AM, wrote:
In my area, all commercial buildings must have an exterior MAIN breaker,
and it can not be locked. This is so the fire department can shot off
the power quickly if there is a fire or other disaster. While that
makes sense, it causes another problem. It seems there are some idiots
in town that like to go around shutting off the breakers. One local bar
gets their power shut off almost weekly, which not only shuts off all
the lights, but also all the electronics, which include all the video
games, the ATM machine, the tv sets, the juke box, and more. Plus the
refrigeration units. Sonme of these devices need to be completely
rebooted, and if there's a pizza in the pizza oven it's hard to get it
cooked properly after a power outage.

....

Isn't there something that can be done? Why cant the Fire Dept install
their own lock, and give the owner a key? I decided to post this, to
see if other communities have any sort of solution.

I suggested the bar put a security camera above the breaker, with a
Battery backup on the camera. The owner liked the idea, but said that
would cost money to install, and someone would probably break the
camera.

"WHY?" -- "Because"

It's up to the locality to make the rules; to best of my knowledge it's
not covered in the NEC so there's not even a precedent there to refer to.

The security camera, etc., is a way that might discourage at least some
and they're not expensive; surely not in comparison to the nuisance
factor and cost he's already suffered so if that's his excuse it's not
bothering him _that_ much.

As another also mentioned, it's time to get the issue raised by the C of
Commerce or other group of businesses and get one of the alternative
solutions accepted if it is, as sounds, a repetitive thing happening.

Sometimes it's better to get forgiveness than permission; if it were
mine I'd probably take action any way...something as trivial as just a
tie wrap would likely deter about 90% of the casual vandals who're just
doing it on a lark and yet isn't much to get off if needs....or even
just a wire tie that have to take the time to undo might be enough...

The more substantial locks specific to the purpose are, of course,
another solution and if the Fire Chief won't agree to a solution, it's
time for serious action by those affected to their city council, etc., ...

Not aware of it having been any serious problem around here; at least
hasn't made the news outlets...

--

On 12/15/14, 5:20 AM, wrote:
In my area, all commercial buildings must have an exterior MAIN breaker,
and it can not be locked. This is so the fire department can shot off
the power quickly if there is a fire or other disaster. While that
makes sense, it causes another problem. It seems there are some idiots
in town that like to go around shutting off the breakers. One local bar
gets their power shut off almost weekly, which not only shuts off all
the lights, but also all the electronics, which include all the video
games, the ATM machine, the tv sets, the juke box, and more. Plus the
refrigeration units. Sonme of these devices need to be completely
rebooted, and if there's a pizza in the pizza oven it's hard to get it
cooked properly after a power outage.

I've heard of other businesses suffering from this too.

Fortunately, someone got caught doing it, and they were arrested. But
there are more than one person, because it still happens.

The bar owner inquired with both an electrician and the fire department,
and was told they can not lock the breaker in any way.

While I'm not connected to any of these businesses, I am aware of the
problem, and know the owner of that bar. He says it's costing him money
everytime the power goes off, because it can take an hour to get some of
the stuff working again, and he has to pay overtime to his employees,
and loses sales, has ruined pizzas, and shuts down the credit card
machine, which is a chore to get working again, and more....

Isn't there something that can be done? Why cant the Fire Dept install
their own lock, and give the owner a key? I decided to post this, to
see if other communities have any sort of solution.

I suggested the bar put a security camera above the breaker, with a
Battery backup on the camera. The owner liked the idea, but said that
would cost money to install, and someone would probably break the
camera.



Maybe do like the banks, and attach an exploding dye pack to the switch !

On 12/15/2014 10:57 AM, Retired wrote:
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While I'm not connected to any of these businesses, I am aware of the
problem, and know the owner of that bar. He says it's costing him money
everytime the power goes off, because it can take an hour to get some of
the stuff working again, and he has to pay overtime to his employees,
and loses sales, has ruined pizzas, and shuts down the credit card
machine, which is a chore to get working again, and more....

Isn't there something that can be done? Why cant the Fire Dept install
their own lock, and give the owner a key? I decided to post this, to
see if other communities have any sort of solution.

I suggested the bar put a security camera above the breaker, with a
Battery backup on the camera. The owner liked the idea, but said that
would cost money to install, and someone would probably break the
camera.



Maybe do like the banks, and attach an exploding dye pack to the switch !



Years ago when there were still fire alarm boxes, they coated the lever
with a blue grease that was almost impossible to wash off.

On Monday, December 15, 2014 12:41:47 PM UTC-5, philo* wrote:
Maybe do like the banks, and attach an exploding dye pack to the switch !



Years ago when there were still fire alarm boxes, they coated the lever
with a blue grease that was almost impossible to wash off.

We coated a bunch of fire alarms with gentian violet powder.

Good stuff, it's almost invisible until it hits moisture then it's bright purple.

We caught the first kid that way, then the others started pulling the alarm with a coat hanger.

In ,
typed:
In my area, all commercial buildings must have an exterior MAIN
breaker, and it can not be locked. This is so the fire department
can shot off the power quickly if there is a fire or other disaster. . . .
,

Isn't there something that can be done? Why cant the Fire Dept
install their own lock, and give the owner a key? I decided to post
this, to see if other communities have any sort of solution.

I would be interested in knowing which State or town has this requirement.

On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 15:11:41 -0500, "TomR" wrote:

In ,
typed:
In my area, all commercial buildings must have an exterior MAIN
breaker, and it can not be locked. This is so the fire department
can shot off the power quickly if there is a fire or other disaster. . . .
,

Isn't there something that can be done? Why cant the Fire Dept
install their own lock, and give the owner a key? I decided to post
this, to see if other communities have any sort of solution.

I would be interested in knowing which State or town has this requirement.

Aparently there are still a few backwards communities that still have
this requirement.

On 12/15/2014 10:57 AM, Retired wrote:
On 12/15/14, 5:20 AM, wrote:
In my area, all commercial buildings must have an exterior MAIN breaker,
and it can not be locked. This is so the fire department can shot off
the power quickly if there is a fire or other disaster. While that
makes sense, it causes another problem. It seems there are some idiots
in town that like to go around shutting off the breakers. One local bar
gets their power shut off almost weekly, which not only shuts off all
the lights, but also all the electronics, which include all the video
games, the ATM machine, the tv sets, the juke box, and more. Plus the
refrigeration units. Sonme of these devices need to be completely
rebooted, and if there's a pizza in the pizza oven it's hard to get it
cooked properly after a power outage.

I've heard of other businesses suffering from this too.

Fortunately, someone got caught doing it, and they were arrested. But
there are more than one person, because it still happens.

The bar owner inquired with both an electrician and the fire department,
and was told they can not lock the breaker in any way.

While I'm not connected to any of these businesses, I am aware of the
problem, and know the owner of that bar. He says it's costing him money
everytime the power goes off, because it can take an hour to get some of
the stuff working again, and he has to pay overtime to his employees,
and loses sales, has ruined pizzas, and shuts down the credit card
machine, which is a chore to get working again, and more....

Isn't there something that can be done? Why cant the Fire Dept install
their own lock, and give the owner a key? I decided to post this, to
see if other communities have any sort of solution.

I suggested the bar put a security camera above the breaker, with a
Battery backup on the camera. The owner liked the idea, but said that
would cost money to install, and someone would probably break the
camera.



Maybe do like the banks, and attach an exploding dye pack to the switch !

Yeah, the firemen would really like that NOT.

On 12/15/2014 2:33 PM, TimR wrote:
On Monday, December 15, 2014 12:41:47 PM UTC-5, philo wrote:
Maybe do like the banks, and attach an exploding dye pack to the switch !



Years ago when there were still fire alarm boxes, they coated the lever
with a blue grease that was almost impossible to wash off.

We coated a bunch of fire alarms with gentian violet powder.

Good stuff, it's almost invisible until it hits moisture then it's bright purple.

We caught the first kid that way, then the others started pulling the alarm with a coat hanger.

They used to do fire alarm handles with UV
glow stuff. Gloves and rags are cheap, to
isolate from hands.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 12/15/2014 01:33 PM, TimR wrote:
On Monday, December 15, 2014 12:41:47 PM UTC-5, philo wrote:
Maybe do like the banks, and attach an exploding dye pack to the switch !



Years ago when there were still fire alarm boxes, they coated the lever
with a blue grease that was almost impossible to wash off.

We coated a bunch of fire alarms with gentian violet powder.

Good stuff, it's almost invisible until it hits moisture then it's bright purple.

We caught the first kid that way, then the others started pulling the alarm with a coat hanger.




yeah, most anything can be out-smarted

On Monday, December 15, 2014 5:02:53 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 15:11:41 -0500, "TomR" wrote:

In ,
typed:
In my area, all commercial buildings must have an exterior MAIN
breaker, and it can not be locked. This is so the fire department
can shot off the power quickly if there is a fire or other disaster. . . .
,

Isn't there something that can be done? Why cant the Fire Dept
install their own lock, and give the owner a key? I decided to post
this, to see if other communities have any sort of solution.

I would be interested in knowing which State or town has this requirement.

Aparently there are still a few backwards communities that still have
this requirement.

"Still" would seem to imply that it was common in the past. This
is the first i've heard of it.

On 12/15/2014 02:33 PM, TimR wrote:
We coated a bunch of fire alarms with gentian violet powder.

Good stuff, it's almost invisible until it hits moisture then it's bright purple.

We caught the first kid that way, then the others started pulling the alarm with a coat hanger.

You can't do that! That's entrapment.

On Monday, December 15, 2014 11:50:22 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 16:59:57 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Monday, December 15, 2014 5:02:53 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 15:11:41 -0500, "TomR" wrote:

In ,
typed:
In my area, all commercial buildings must have an exterior MAIN
breaker, and it can not be locked. This is so the fire department
can shot off the power quickly if there is a fire or other disaster. . . .
,

Isn't there something that can be done? Why cant the Fire Dept
install their own lock, and give the owner a key? I decided to post
this, to see if other communities have any sort of solution.

I would be interested in knowing which State or town has this requirement.

Aparently there are still a few backwards communities that still have
this requirement.

"Still" would seem to imply that it was common in the past. This
is the first i've heard of it.

Me too. It sounds more like legislation made by the clueless. In my
experience, if the fire department wants in, they go in. It might not
be pretty tho. They might just rip that lock off with a fire axe.

I have also seen them take out meters the same way.
Pop the seal, snap the ring off and pull the meter with a few quick
flicks of the wrist.

Around here they aren't so gentle. I saw a house fire where a fireman
used the pointed end of a fireman's
axe to rip the ring off the meter, then pry it out, letting it crash
to the ground, smashed up real good.

On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 23:50:17 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 16:59:57 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Monday, December 15, 2014 5:02:53 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 15:11:41 -0500, "TomR" wrote:

In ,
typed:
In my area, all commercial buildings must have an exterior MAIN
breaker, and it can not be locked. This is so the fire department
can shot off the power quickly if there is a fire or other disaster. . . .
,

Isn't there something that can be done? Why cant the Fire Dept
install their own lock, and give the owner a key? I decided to post
this, to see if other communities have any sort of solution.

I would be interested in knowing which State or town has this requirement.

Aparently there are still a few backwards communities that still have
this requirement.

"Still" would seem to imply that it was common in the past. This
is the first i've heard of it.

Me too. It sounds more like legislation made by the clueless. In my
experience, if the fire department wants in, they go in. It might not
be pretty tho. They might just rip that lock off with a fire axe.

I have also seen them take out meters the same way.
Pop the seal, snap the ring off and pull the meter with a few quick
flicks of the wrist.
At one time it was quite common and I remember many buldings with
external shutoffs,and the meters inside. The meter was often quite
some distance from where the power entered the building - often right
at the distribution panel/fuse box. I even remember seeing the
disconnect mounted on the power pole next to the building, with the
power coming down the pole to the disconnect, then down from there and
entering the building underground - no rack attached to the building
to connect the power wires to.

The meter reader had to enter the building to read the meter.

On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 6:13:43 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tue, 16 Dec 2014 05:45:00 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Monday, December 15, 2014 11:50:22 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 16:59:57 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Monday, December 15, 2014 5:02:53 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 15:11:41 -0500, "TomR" wrote:

In ,
typed:
In my area, all commercial buildings must have an exterior MAIN
breaker, and it can not be locked. This is so the fire department
can shot off the power quickly if there is a fire or other disaster. . . .
,

Isn't there something that can be done? Why cant the Fire Dept
install their own lock, and give the owner a key? I decided to post
this, to see if other communities have any sort of solution.

I would be interested in knowing which State or town has this requirement.

Aparently there are still a few backwards communities that still have
this requirement.

"Still" would seem to imply that it was common in the past. This
is the first i've heard of it.

Me too. It sounds more like legislation made by the clueless. In my
experience, if the fire department wants in, they go in. It might not
be pretty tho. They might just rip that lock off with a fire axe.

I have also seen them take out meters the same way.
Pop the seal, snap the ring off and pull the meter with a few quick
flicks of the wrist.

Around here they aren't so gentle. I saw a house fire where a fireman
used the pointed end of a fireman's
axe to rip the ring off the meter, then pry it out, letting it crash
to the ground, smashed up real good.

Yeah that is the trick I was talking about.

Oh, I get it now. I'm running a bit slow this AM I guess....

On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 04:20:11 -0600, wrote:


Isn't there something that can be done? Why cant the Fire Dept install
their own lock, and give the owner a key? I decided to post this, to
see if other communities have any sort of solution.

That's what they do with elevators, I think

On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 04:20:11 -0600, wrote:


I suggested the bar put a security camera above the breaker, with a
Battery backup on the camera. The owner liked the idea, but said that
would cost money to install, and someone would probably break the
camera.

Is there a cover that has to be opened. A cheap switch on teh cover, a
normally closed switch, that makes the burglar alarm beep. They will
usually be able to do that even when they're not armed. And someone
with a baseball bat who can get out there quick.

On Tue, 16 Dec 2014 05:45:00 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Monday, December 15, 2014 11:50:22 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 16:59:57 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Monday, December 15, 2014 5:02:53 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 15:11:41 -0500, "TomR" wrote:

In ,
typed:
In my area, all commercial buildings must have an exterior MAIN
breaker, and it can not be locked. This is so the fire department
can shot off the power quickly if there is a fire or other disaster. . . .
,

Isn't there something that can be done? Why cant the Fire Dept
install their own lock, and give the owner a key? I decided to post
this, to see if other communities have any sort of solution.

I would be interested in knowing which State or town has this requirement.

Aparently there are still a few backwards communities that still have
this requirement.

"Still" would seem to imply that it was common in the past. This
is the first i've heard of it.

Me too. It sounds more like legislation made by the clueless. In my
experience, if the fire department wants in, they go in. It might not
be pretty tho. They might just rip that lock off with a fire axe.

I have also seen them take out meters the same way.
Pop the seal, snap the ring off and pull the meter with a few quick
flicks of the wrist.

Around here they aren't so gentle. I saw a house fire where a fireman
used the pointed end of a fireman's
axe to rip the ring off the meter, then pry it out, letting it crash
to the ground, smashed up real good.

But todays' smart meters are too smart to let that happen.

When there's a fire, like some squid, they change to the color and
pattern of brick or cinder block, so no one can find them.

trader_4 posted for all of us...


That's the problem. No locks around here and the FD doesn't have
any problems. If they need to cut power, they just cut the small seal
on the meter and pull it. IDK what special provisions they may have
for big businesses, but for residential, small business, that's all
they do.


That can be done but we had two FF's that were sent to the ER - one for
thermal burns to the face and the other for deafness. The result of an arc
flash of pulling the meter at a convenience store where there was a fault in
the electrical service.

I recommend the municipality dump this disconnect idea and make Knox boxes
mandatory. Less damage with and faster than forcing entry.

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Tekkie