_NOT_ a "wifi" one..

We've gotten in the habit of, when it's feeling
cold [a], walking over to the wall mounted
basic mercury tilt (!!!) thermostat and bumping
it up a notch, and similarly, if we feel too
hot, sliding it down a bit.

I'd love to have a handheld remote unit that
would let us do this from the other side of
the room.

The vision I've got is of a wall mount base
that has a thermoter display on it optimally
showing both the room temp and the setting.

The handheld unit should either let us bump
the wall numbers up/down a bit, or alternatively
have an actual numerical setting on it which
gets transmitted to the wall.

The key requirement is that the actual monitoring
thermostat be the box on the wall, not the
device in our hands.

- I've seen these types of controls as part
of the minisplit (and presumably other)
air conditioning/heating units. The handheld
part simply adjusts the main circuit. But
I haven't found any that are just the basic
thermostat set.

- In another location I've got an Insteon
remote thermostat. In that one the portable
unit does the setting and measuring, and
then kicks the base into operation. But again,
I'm looking for one that measures the temperature
at the wall box. [b]

Any suggestions? Thanks

[a] when the temperature is -10 F outside, there's
a big difference in sections of the house... especialy
if there's any wind... Or when what little sun there
is here comes out, but on one side of the building...

[b] works great for the religious temple we use
it in. We've got the remotes in the kitchen and
bathrooms, set to 40 F, and have adjusted the
heat to focus in that area. The rest of the building
can cheerfully come down to 20 F. (We turn it
back up on the days we hold services).



--
__________________________________________________ ___
Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key

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On Sat, 6 Dec 2014 04:26:32 +0000 (UTC), danny burstein
wrote:

_NOT_ a "wifi" one..

We've gotten in the habit of, when it's feeling
cold [a], walking over to the wall mounted
basic mercury tilt (!!!) thermostat and bumping
it up a notch, and similarly, if we feel too
hot, sliding it down a bit.

I'd love to have a handheld remote unit that
would let us do this from the other side of
the room.

The vision I've got is of a wall mount base
that has a thermoter display on it optimally
showing both the room temp and the setting.

The handheld unit should either let us bump
the wall numbers up/down a bit, or alternatively
have an actual numerical setting on it which
gets transmitted to the wall.

The key requirement is that the actual monitoring
thermostat be the box on the wall, not the
device in our hands.

- I've seen these types of controls as part
of the minisplit (and presumably other)
air conditioning/heating units. The handheld
part simply adjusts the main circuit. But
I haven't found any that are just the basic
thermostat set.

- In another location I've got an Insteon
remote thermostat. In that one the portable
unit does the setting and measuring, and
then kicks the base into operation. But again,
I'm looking for one that measures the temperature
at the wall box. [b]

Any suggestions? Thanks


The thermostat you envision does exist - made/sold by "smart home".

see it at
http://www.smarthome.com/wireless-th...-receiver.html

[a] when the temperature is -10 F outside, there's
a big difference in sections of the house... especialy
if there's any wind... Or when what little sun there
is here comes out, but on one side of the building...

[b] works great for the religious temple we use
it in. We've got the remotes in the kitchen and
bathrooms, set to 40 F, and have adjusted the
heat to focus in that area. The rest of the building
can cheerfully come down to 20 F. (We turn it
back up on the days we hold services).

In writes:

The thermostat you envision does exist - made/sold by "smart home".

see it at
http://www.smarthome.com/wireless-th...-receiver.html

That's the exact system we're using at the temple, where
we just need to keep the water pipe area at 32 (we have
it set to 40).

But again, it's controlling the furnace based on the temperature
at the handheld/portable portion.

We're looking for something that we can move around that
remotely adjusts the _wall_ portion.

Thanks.

--
__________________________________________________ ___
Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key

[to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded]

On Sat, 6 Dec 2014 05:06:40 +0000 (UTC), danny burstein
wrote:

In writes:

The thermostat you envision does exist - made/sold by "smart home".

see it at
http://www.smarthome.com/wireless-th...-receiver.html

That's the exact system we're using at the temple, where
we just need to keep the water pipe area at 32 (we have
it set to 40).

But again, it's controlling the furnace based on the temperature
at the handheld/portable portion.

We're looking for something that we can move around that
remotely adjusts the _wall_ portion.

Thanks.

Honeywell makes one of those too - I believe it is the Prestige.

see
http://www.geek.com/gadgets/honeywel...emote-1358057/

In writes:

We're looking for something that we can move around that
remotely adjusts the _wall_ portion.

Thanks.

Honeywell makes one of those too - I believe it is the Prestige.

see
http://www.geek.com/gadgets/honeywel...emote-1358057/

nice unit. but still doesn't do it:

"If you want the temperature to be 62 degrees at night
in your bedroom and you put the PCC on the nightstand,
that's what it is, not 62 in the hallway or living room."

- and also it's 5 hundred dollars...

This sounds like such a simple concept, and these are
part and parcel of pretty much any Mini Split unit
and many window air conditioners [a]. It's a simple handheld
unit, the size of a tv remote, which adjusts the temperature
settings on the wall mounted thermostat.

[a] prbably available on electric and other heaters, too,
but I don't have any experience with them.

Thanks again
--
__________________________________________________ ___
Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key

[to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded]

On Sat, 6 Dec 2014 05:49:10 +0000 (UTC), danny burstein
wrote:

In writes:

We're looking for something that we can move around that
remotely adjusts the _wall_ portion.

I would like something like that too.


Thanks.

Honeywell makes one of those too - I believe it is the Prestige.

see
http://www.geek.com/gadgets/honeywel...emote-1358057/

nice unit. but still doesn't do it:

"If you want the temperature to be 62 degrees at night
in your bedroom and you put the PCC on the nightstand,
that's what it is, not 62 in the hallway or living room."

That would be okay by me. I would just turn it up a notch if I were
cold in the bedroom or down a notch if hot. Wouldn't have to care about
the absolute temperature.

The only thing I know that will do what you want is a wife from Hong
Kong, Singapore, or Japan.

However they usually don't work for more than 2 years. By the end of
two years, they've found out how American women live and they want to
live that way too. So they won't anymore get up and certainly won't go
downstairs every time the temperature needs changing.

- and also it's 5 hundred dollars...

This sounds like such a simple concept, and these are
part and parcel of pretty much any Mini Split unit
and many window air conditioners [a]. It's a simple handheld
unit, the size of a tv remote, which adjusts the temperature
settings on the wall mounted thermostat.

Find a minisplit maker and see how much they want for a replacement
thermostat and remote. Please let me know. I would love to have that.

Might be expensive, but still less than a wife, considering the travel
costs here and then back after two years.

[a] prbably available on electric and other heaters, too,
but I don't have any experience with them.

Thanks again

On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 23:52:18 -0500, wrote:


Any suggestions? Thanks


The thermostat you envision does exist - made/sold by "smart home".

see it at
http://www.smarthome.com/wireless-th...-receiver.html

This one looks pretty good and it's only 200 dollars, not 700.

1) I was shopping for a furnace, and they all pretty much insisted I
buy a new fancy thermostat with the furnace, even though I have a 7-day
setback Heat/AC stat that works just fine. Were they bluffing? Just
trying to squeeze more money out of me? None of them offered a remote
control thermostat.

So if I bought this, could I use it with my brand new furnace/AC.
Surely t he answer is yes.

Or would I get stuck replacing it soon after I buy it, because I bought
a furnace that had its own assigned stat?

2) Also, from the Details, what does this mean: "When more than one
transmitter is used, the receiver will only accept commands
from the transmitter that was last used (button pressed). All other set
points and modes from other transmitters are ignored. If the transmitter
with Unit ID Number 1 has a schedule and is in Program On mode, the
receiver will revert back to following the programmed schedule when a
time period change occurs, even if the transmitter with Unit ID Number 1
is not the current commanding transmitter."

I"m not going to get more than one transmitter, but it sounds like there
is no point to having more than one!! The first 4 lines have to be a
mistake, right?



[a] when the temperature is -10 F outside, there's
a big difference in sections of the house... especialy
if there's any wind... Or when what little sun there
is here comes out, but on one side of the building...

[b] works great for the religious temple we use
it in. We've got the remotes in the kitchen and
bathrooms, set to 40 F, and have adjusted the
heat to focus in that area. The rest of the building
can cheerfully come down to 20 F. (We turn it
back up on the days we hold services).

On 12/06/2014 12:06 AM, danny burstein wrote:

We're looking for something that we can move around that
remotely adjusts the _wall_ portion.


My ultimate solution would be to implant an RFID style temperature sensor in my wife that controlled our home HVAC system.

On Saturday, December 6, 2014 2:01:24 AM UTC-5, micky wrote:
On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 23:52:18 -0500, wrote:


Any suggestions? Thanks


The thermostat you envision does exist - made/sold by "smart home".

see it at
http://www.smarthome.com/wireless-th...-receiver.html

This one looks pretty good and it's only 200 dollars, not 700.

1) I was shopping for a furnace, and they all pretty much insisted I
buy a new fancy thermostat with the furnace, even though I have a 7-day
setback Heat/AC stat that works just fine. Were they bluffing?

Maybe. One factor is they probably prefer using a new thermostat that
they know versus a customer's old one. They may have past experiences
of customers having problems, callbacks, etc where it turns out it was
the old thermostat.

One key issue is if you're getting a two stage furnace, which, IMO,
most people should. With a two stage, it fires at full capacity or
about 2/3's capacity. Most of the time, when it's just maintaining,
it fires at the 2/3's. These can be set up two different ways. One
is to set it so the furnace always comes on at low stage. Then, if it's
still running X mins later, it will switch itself to high stage. The
X mins may be settable to like 3 mins or 8 mins, etc.

The other way to set it up is with a two stage thermostat. That is the
better way. In that case, the thermostat makes the call whether to use
low stage or high stage. The thermostat, unlike the furnace, knows right
away if the temp needs to be raised just one degree or 5 degrees. The
benefit is you get more heat faster when you need it, instead of waiting
8 mins firing on low.

So, if they are including a dual stage thermostat with a dual stage
furnace and setting it up to use it, then there is a good reason for
the new thermostat. One problem though. The two stage thermostat needs
an extra wire. If that isn't there, in your wall, almost all installers
are going to set it up in the timed mode, ie where a two stage thermostat
isn't going to matter.



Just
trying to squeeze more money out of me? None of them offered a remote
control thermostat.

Today if I were getting a new thermostat, I'd want a wifi one. That way,
if you're going on a trip, maybe not sure when you're coming back, you
can connect via smartphone on the way back and have the house at temp
when you arrive. It's also good if you're not sure you turned back the
temp when you left, want to check the house temp to make sure the system
is working, etc. Plus you can use your smartphone as a remote while in
the house. It's not exactly what the OP wants though, because everyone
who wants to fiddle with it needs a smartphone, not a shared remote on the
table.




So if I bought this, could I use it with my brand new furnace/AC.
Surely t he answer is yes.


Yes.


Or would I get stuck replacing it soon after I buy it, because I bought
a furnace that had its own assigned stat?


There are probably some furnaces now that require their own brand
specific thermostat. But most don't and you don't have to buy the
system that needs the special one.




2) Also, from the Details, what does this mean: "When more than one
transmitter is used, the receiver will only accept commands
from the transmitter that was last used (button pressed). All other set
points and modes from other transmitters are ignored. If the transmitter
with Unit ID Number 1 has a schedule and is in Program On mode, the
receiver will revert back to following the programmed schedule when a
time period change occurs, even if the transmitter with Unit ID Number 1
is not the current commanding transmitter."

IDK, it's poorly worded and seems to contradict itself. It sounds like
whichever remote sent it the last command is what it does. But that last
command could be from a remote that has a time program set in it, in which
case, even if that remote is not the one last used, it will become the last
one used when the time arrives and it issues a new command.




I"m not going to get more than one transmitter, but it sounds like there
is no point to having more than one!! The first 4 lines have to be a
mistake, right?



See above.

On Sat, 6 Dec 2014 05:49:10 +0000 (UTC), danny burstein
wrote:

In writes:

We're looking for something that we can move around that
remotely adjusts the _wall_ portion.

Thanks.

Honeywell makes one of those too - I believe it is the Prestige.

see
http://www.geek.com/gadgets/honeywel...emote-1358057/

nice unit. but still doesn't do it:

"If you want the temperature to be 62 degrees at night
in your bedroom and you put the PCC on the nightstand,
that's what it is, not 62 in the hallway or living room."

- and also it's 5 hundred dollars...

This sounds like such a simple concept, and these are
part and parcel of pretty much any Mini Split unit
and many window air conditioners [a]. It's a simple handheld
unit, the size of a tv remote, which adjusts the temperature
settings on the wall mounted thermostat.

[a] prbably available on electric and other heaters, too,
but I don't have any experience with them.

Thanks again
You can remotely control the fixed thermostat - bumping it up or
down from the second remote. The primary remote controls the
temperature - and if automatic setbacks are used, the setback on the
primary has prefference.

They ARE expensive, but innovative technology that actually works
generally is.

On Sat, 06 Dec 2014 02:01:16 -0500, micky
wrote:

On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 23:52:18 -0500, wrote:


Any suggestions? Thanks


The thermostat you envision does exist - made/sold by "smart home".

see it at
http://www.smarthome.com/wireless-th...-receiver.html

This one looks pretty good and it's only 200 dollars, not 700.

1) I was shopping for a furnace, and they all pretty much insisted I
buy a new fancy thermostat with the furnace, even though I have a 7-day
setback Heat/AC stat that works just fine. Were they bluffing? Just
trying to squeeze more money out of me? None of them offered a remote
control thermostat.

If you have a two stage or modulated furnace you don't get full
functionality without the upgraded 'stat.

So if I bought this, could I use it with my brand new furnace/AC.
Surely t he answer is yes.

Yes, it is a dual stage thermostat and actually also an "automatic"
thermostat - you don't need to switch from heat to cool - it will heat
and cool as required

Or would I get stuck replacing it soon after I buy it, because I bought
a furnace that had its own assigned stat?

2) Also, from the Details, what does this mean: "When more than one
transmitter is used, the receiver will only accept commands
from the transmitter that was last used (button pressed). All other set
points and modes from other transmitters are ignored. If the transmitter
with Unit ID Number 1 has a schedule and is in Program On mode, the
receiver will revert back to following the programmed schedule when a
time period change occurs, even if the transmitter with Unit ID Number 1
is not the current commanding transmitter."

You can use numerous thermostats. Only one can "take control". You
"take control" by pressing a button. When Unit 1 is "in control" Unit
2 has no effect. Nor does Unit 3, etc. Prss the button on Unit 3, and
it takes over. However, only one can be the "program master" running
scheduled set-backs etc. If #1 is "program master" and #2 is "in
control" and you bump the temperature up from #2, when the scheduled
setback time arrives, the "program master" takes over, setting the
temperature to the programmed value. You can then use #2 to go "off
program" again, resetting the temperature to a value that will hold
untill you either "run program" or the next scheduled adjustment time,
when #1 takes over again.

It is my understanding that the "program master" does all the
temperature sensing and the extras just act as"remote controls" - but
I could be wrong (it's happened before) or there may be more than one
option.

I know there are several different systems out there, some working
one way, and others the other way.

The Honeywell stuff has a good reputation

I"m not going to get more than one transmitter, but it sounds like there
is no point to having more than one!! The first 4 lines have to be a
mistake, right?



[a] when the temperature is -10 F outside, there's
a big difference in sections of the house... especialy
if there's any wind... Or when what little sun there
is here comes out, but on one side of the building...

[b] works great for the religious temple we use
it in. We've got the remotes in the kitchen and
bathrooms, set to 40 F, and have adjusted the
heat to focus in that area. The rest of the building
can cheerfully come down to 20 F. (We turn it
back up on the days we hold services).

On Sat, 6 Dec 2014 05:31:59 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Saturday, December 6, 2014 2:01:24 AM UTC-5, micky wrote:
On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 23:52:18 -0500, wrote:


Any suggestions? Thanks


The thermostat you envision does exist - made/sold by "smart home".

see it at
http://www.smarthome.com/wireless-th...-receiver.html

This one looks pretty good and it's only 200 dollars, not 700.

1) I was shopping for a furnace, and they all pretty much insisted I
buy a new fancy thermostat with the furnace, even though I have a 7-day
setback Heat/AC stat that works just fine. Were they bluffing?

Maybe. One factor is they probably prefer using a new thermostat that
they know versus a customer's old one. They may have past experiences
of customers having problems, callbacks, etc where it turns out it was
the old thermostat.

One key issue is if you're getting a two stage furnace, which, IMO,
most people should. With a two stage, it fires at full capacity or
about 2/3's capacity....

Do they make two stage furnaces that run on oil? Maybe that's why no
one mentioned two-stage afaicr.

Just
trying to squeeze more money out of me? None of them offered a remote
control thermostat.

And of course they weren't nearly as comon, or even commonly advertised,
just 3 years ago.

Today if I were getting a new thermostat, I'd want a wifi one. That way,
if you're going on a trip, maybe not sure when you're coming back, you
can connect via smartphone on the way back and have the house at temp
when you arrive.

I don't have any babies and fwiw that doesn't matter to me. It doesn't
take long to heat up or cool down.

It's also good if you're not sure you turned back the
temp when you left, want to check the house temp to make sure the system
is working, etc.

That's one way. If I ever get the new burglar alarm installed (I'm 80%
done) I'm going to connect a standard 70's round Honeywell thermostat to
the alarm, and set it for 5 or 10 degrees lower than the furnace is set
for, and it will call the alarm monitioring company and tell them it's
too cold in the house. (That is, the furnace isn't working.

The current funace is very good at keeping the whole first and second
floor within one or two degrees of the temperatrure the stat is set for,
but the easiest place to connect the alarm thermostat would be the
basement laundry/furnace room, where the alarm control box is.

I really should start now checking the temp in that room after and just
before the furnace goes on, to see how consistent the temp there is. If
it's always within 2 degrees, I should set the alarm stat to less than
10 degrees colder.

My own perception is not perfect. I go up to my bedroom around
midnight, and it seems so cold, but I keep a known-good thermometer
there now and it says 69. When I wake up in the morning, it feels
warm and it also says 69. Go figure.

Plus you can use your smartphone as a remote while in
the house. It's not exactly what the OP wants though, because everyone
who wants to fiddle with it needs a smartphone, not a shared remote on the
table.


So if I bought this, could I use it with my brand new furnace/AC.
Surely t he answer is yes.


Yes.

Good.


Or would I get stuck replacing it soon after I buy it, because I bought
a furnace that had its own assigned stat?


There are probably some furnaces now that require their own brand
specific thermostat. But most don't and you don't have to buy the
system that needs the special one.

Okay.



2) Also, from the Details, what does this mean: "When more than one
transmitter is used, the receiver will only accept commands
from the transmitter that was last used (button pressed). All other set
points and modes from other transmitters are ignored. If the transmitter
with Unit ID Number 1 has a schedule and is in Program On mode, the
receiver will revert back to following the programmed schedule when a
time period change occurs, even if the transmitter with Unit ID Number 1
is not the current commanding transmitter."

IDK, it's poorly worded

I'll agree with you. Maybe as little as one word got left out. Or
the frequent omission of NOT somewhere.

and seems to contradict itself. It sounds like
whichever remote sent it the last command is what it does. But that last
command could be from a remote that has a time program set in it, in which
case, even if that remote is not the one last used, it will become the last
one used when the time arrives and it issues a new command.

Okay.



I"m not going to get more than one transmitter, but it sounds like there
is no point to having more than one!! The first 4 lines have to be a
mistake, right?



See above.

On Sat, 06 Dec 2014 13:51:34 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 06 Dec 2014 02:01:16 -0500, micky
wrote:

On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 23:52:18 -0500, wrote:


Any suggestions? Thanks


The thermostat you envision does exist - made/sold by "smart home".

see it at
http://www.smarthome.com/wireless-th...-receiver.html

This one looks pretty good and it's only 200 dollars, not 700.

1) I was shopping for a furnace, and they all pretty much insisted I
buy a new fancy thermostat with the furnace, even though I have a 7-day
setback Heat/AC stat that works just fine. Were they bluffing? Just
trying to squeeze more money out of me? None of them offered a remote
control thermostat.

If you have a two stage or modulated furnace you don't get full
functionality without the upgraded 'stat.

I don't think they make two-stage for oil furnaces. Probably because
you need oil pressure to force the oil out through the nozzle, and
???more pressure won't force out much more??? At any rate, the nozzles
are rated in gallons of oil per hour.

Of course there could be two nozzles, sometimes using both, sometimes
only one.

So if I bought this, could I use it with my brand new furnace/AC.
Surely t he answer is yes.

Yes, it is a dual stage thermostat and actually also an "automatic"
thermostat - you don't need to switch from heat to cool - it will heat
and cool as required

I wouldnt' use that. I use the heat maybe 6 months a year, and last
summer there were only 8 days I would have used the AC, 30 at the most.
I leave the windows open for two months in the spring and two months in
the fall, at least.

Or would I get stuck replacing it soon after I buy it, because I bought
a furnace that had its own assigned stat?

2) Also, from the Details, what does this mean: "When more than one
transmitter is used, the receiver will only accept commands
from the transmitter that was last used (button pressed). All other set
points and modes from other transmitters are ignored. If the transmitter
with Unit ID Number 1 has a schedule and is in Program On mode, the
receiver will revert back to following the programmed schedule when a
time period change occurs, even if the transmitter with Unit ID Number 1
is not the current commanding transmitter."

You can use numerous thermostats. Only one can "take control". You
"take control" by pressing a button. When Unit 1 is "in control" Unit
2 has no effect. Nor does Unit 3, etc. Prss the button on Unit 3, and
it takes over. However, only one can be the "program master" running
scheduled set-backs etc. If #1 is "program master" and #2 is "in
control" and you bump the temperature up from #2, when the scheduled
setback time arrives, the "program master" takes over, setting the
temperature to the programmed value. You can then use #2 to go "off
program" again, resetting the temperature to a value that will hold
untill you either "run program" or the next scheduled adjustment time,
when #1 takes over again.

Okay.

I'd only get one remote, but I do have four remotes for my central DVDR.

OT, but I wanted one for each floor, so I didn't have to run up and down
stairs to get the remote. (I'd bought a spare early one because someone
was selling them for $10. I should have bought two.)

But this is the funny part. The upstairs remote broke, Several but not
all of the buttons in the right column have stopped working. I'll try
to repair this eventually, but instead i bought a fourth remote, and I
put the broken one in the bathroom to use from the bathtub. Before
then I would just walk a few feet to get it from the bedroom, but within
10 days of haiving the broken one in the bathroom, I thought, "Hey, I
should get a new one to replace this!" I don't need a new one.
(they're $30 now.) I can just go get the new one that's in the bedroom,
like the original plan. If I get a 5th remote. I'll put the broken one
somewhere and soon want to buy a new one for there.

It is my understanding that the "program master" does all the
temperature sensing and the extras just act as"remote controls" - but
I could be wrong

No, I think you're right. Although I can see someone thinking one
remote to do programming is plenty, and then within 10 days thinking,
Hey, I shoudl be able to change the program from this one too. Maybe
there's an upgrade to the system I should buy.

(it's happened before) or there may be more than one
option.

I know there are several different systems out there, some working
one way, and others the other way.

The Honeywell stuff has a good reputation

I"m not going to get more than one transmitter, but it sounds like there
is no point to having more than one!! The first 4 lines have to be a
mistake, right?

On Sat, 6 Dec 2014 05:49:10 +0000 (UTC), danny burstein
wrote:

In writes:

We're looking for something that we can move around that
remotely adjusts the _wall_ portion.

Thanks.

Honeywell makes one of those too - I believe it is the Prestige.

see
http://www.geek.com/gadgets/honeywel...emote-1358057/

nice unit. but still doesn't do it:

"If you want the temperature to be 62 degrees at night
in your bedroom and you put the PCC on the nightstand,
that's what it is, not 62 in the hallway or living room."

- and also it's 5 hundred dollars...


It says 500 to 700 is the installed price. I wonder what the the
uninstalled price is?

Though why I would want a "high-resolution widescreen color wall mount
thermostat ", I do not know.

On Saturday, December 6, 2014 7:06:48 PM UTC-5, micky wrote:
On Sat, 6 Dec 2014 05:49:10 +0000 (UTC), danny burstein
wrote:

In writes:

We're looking for something that we can move around that
remotely adjusts the _wall_ portion.

Thanks.

Honeywell makes one of those too - I believe it is the Prestige.

see
http://www.geek.com/gadgets/honeywel...emote-1358057/

nice unit. but still doesn't do it:

"If you want the temperature to be 62 degrees at night
in your bedroom and you put the PCC on the nightstand,
that's what it is, not 62 in the hallway or living room."

- and also it's 5 hundred dollars...


It says 500 to 700 is the installed price. I wonder what the the
uninstalled price is?



You can probably find it being sold by someone online, somewhere.
One big problem with Honeywell is that for even their midrange thermostats,
eg VisionPro, they only sell them through authorized dealers and will not
support or answer technical questions from homeowners. If you call their
help line and ask how to change set-up parameters in your $500 thermostat,
they will
tell you that you have to call the local guy with a cigar and butt crack
showing to have him do it. The only homeowner installed thermostats they
provide that support for are the low end ones sold in stores, etc.


Though why I would want a "high-resolution widescreen color wall mount
thermostat ", I do not know.


Easy to program, easy to use, and wifi would be high on my list. Color,
not so much.

On Saturday, December 6, 2014 4:43:36 PM UTC-5, micky wrote:
On Sat, 6 Dec 2014 05:31:59 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Saturday, December 6, 2014 2:01:24 AM UTC-5, micky wrote:
On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 23:52:18 -0500, wrote:


Any suggestions? Thanks


The thermostat you envision does exist - made/sold by "smart home".

see it at
http://www.smarthome.com/wireless-th...-receiver.html

This one looks pretty good and it's only 200 dollars, not 700.

1) I was shopping for a furnace, and they all pretty much insisted I
buy a new fancy thermostat with the furnace, even though I have a 7-day
setback Heat/AC stat that works just fine. Were they bluffing?

Maybe. One factor is they probably prefer using a new thermostat that
they know versus a customer's old one. They may have past experiences
of customers having problems, callbacks, etc where it turns out it was
the old thermostat.

One key issue is if you're getting a two stage furnace, which, IMO,
most people should. With a two stage, it fires at full capacity or
about 2/3's capacity....

Do they make two stage furnaces that run on oil? Maybe that's why no
one mentioned two-stage afaicr.


Apparently they do:

http://www.trane.com/residential/en/...aces/xv80.html

But I'm sure gas ones outnumber them greatly.




Just
trying to squeeze more money out of me? None of them offered a remote
control thermostat.

And of course they weren't nearly as comon, or even commonly advertised,
just 3 years ago.

Today if I were getting a new thermostat, I'd want a wifi one. That way,
if you're going on a trip, maybe not sure when you're coming back, you
can connect via smartphone on the way back and have the house at temp
when you arrive.

I don't have any babies and fwiw that doesn't matter to me. It doesn't
take long to heat up or cool down.


If it doesn't take long to heat up from say 55 to 70, your system is
oversized. I go up about 5F an hour here when it's 30F outside.


It's also good if you're not sure you turned back the
temp when you left, want to check the house temp to make sure the system
is working, etc.

That's one way. If I ever get the new burglar alarm installed (I'm 80%
done) I'm going to connect a standard 70's round Honeywell thermostat to
the alarm, and set it for 5 or 10 degrees lower than the furnace is set
for, and it will call the alarm monitioring company and tell them it's
too cold in the house. (That is, the furnace isn't working.

That's a good idea.