Trying to decide what brand of hearing aid batteries to buy, wife has heard Eveready are not too good, RayoVac may be better. I'm curious if any actual data out there. Consumer Reports has nothing that I could find.

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Trying to decide what brand of hearing aid batteries to buy, wife has heard Eveready are not too good, RayoVac may be better. I'm curious if any actual data out there. Consumer Reports has nothing that I could find.

Hi,
Not for hearing aid but my experience is RayoVac is always not as good
as Duracell or Energizer. I know our local hospitals all use Duracell.

On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 15:37:43 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

Trying to decide what brand of hearing aid batteries to buy, wife has heard Eveready are not too good, RayoVac may be better. I'm curious if any actual data out there. Consumer Reports has nothing that I could find.

You might ask your family ENT doctor what he/she suggests.

On 08/17/14 06:37 pm, wrote:

Trying to decide what brand of hearing aid batteries to buy, wife has heard Eveready are not too good, RayoVac may be better. I'm curious if any actual data out there. Consumer Reports has nothing that I could find.

I buy my hearing-aid batteries at Costco -- $10 or less for 40. All
sizes the same price, I think. They are Costco branded, but I think they
might be Ray-o-Vac. My #13 batteries last about 12-14 days.

Perce

On 8/17/2014 6:37 PM, wrote:
Trying to decide what brand of hearing aid batteries
to buy, wife has heard Eveready are not too good,
RayoVac may be better. I'm curious if any actual
data out there. Consumer Reports has nothing that
I could find.

For me, I get about eight days out of either of those
brands. And about two weeks out of
https://www.ecogold.com/

Duracell, the shape of the battery doesn't make contact
in my hearing aids, they don't work dependably.

Please do not buy far in advance. The batteries go
dead in a year or so (I've not really tested this).

I'd love to have four years batteries in hand in case
I lose my job, but they go dead.

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Christopher A. Young
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On 8/17/2014 7:26 PM, Oren wrote:

You might ask your family ENT doctor what he/she suggests.


82% of all physicians recommend the brand that
gives the best promos and free crap to the
doctors. Stethoscopes and lighted pens with
brand advertising are desirable.

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Christopher A. Young
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On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 20:25:03 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 8/17/2014 7:26 PM, Oren wrote:

You might ask your family ENT doctor what he/she suggests.


82% of all physicians recommend the brand that
gives the best promos and free crap to the
doctors. Stethoscopes and lighted pens with
brand advertising are desirable.

10% of doctors and lawyers graduated at the bottom of their class.

If you luck out you may find an honest ENT doctor, not worried about
promotions.

By chance, my ENT is the same as my neighbor's. We both like him but
I never asked for their advice ahead of my visit to the ENT.

Plus. I wasn't asking about batteries.

" wrote in
:

Trying to decide what brand of hearing aid batteries to buy, wife has
heard Eveready are not too good, RayoVac may be better. I'm curious
if any actual data out there. Consumer Reports has nothing that I
could find.



I have not noticed any real difference from brand to brand, with all of
them lasting roughly the same length of time for the same hearing aid at
the same settings..

I've been wearing hearing aids for 47 years. Battery sizes used have been
675, 13, and (briefly) 312. Currently I'm wearing a pair of Siemens Nitro,
which use 675.

What is far more important for battery life than brand is how much power
the hearing aid draws versus the size of the battery used. But that's a
design issue and is affected by the settings of the hearing aid.

Your hearing aid provider should give you a trial period of a couple of
weeks. Battery life will be revealed during that trial period.

The worst instance for me was a pair of Widex I-forget-whats I recently
tried that took 312s. My hearing-loss meant that the Widexes needed to be
boosted to nearly their maximum output. Battery life was FIVE DAYS. The
312s were simply too small for the power needed.

My surrent Siemens get about three weeks out of their 675s -- regardless of
brand. That's the longest of any hearing aid I've ever had.

--
Tegger

Tegger wrote in
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" wrote in
:

Trying to decide what brand of hearing aid batteries to buy, wife has
heard Eveready are not too good, RayoVac may be better. I'm curious
if any actual data out there. Consumer Reports has nothing that I
could find.



I have not noticed any real difference from brand to brand, with all
of them lasting roughly the same length of time for the same hearing
aid at the same settings..




It happens that I had to see my hearing-aid specialitst today. I asked her
about battery life between brands. She said she has not noticed any
significant difference from brand to brand. However, she has had reports
from some clients that Energizers tend to have a somewhat shorter life than
other brands, but these are purely anecdotal reports.

My personal preference is for Duracell, since they have a very long pull-
tab on the oxygen-seal that greatly reduces the risk of dropping the
battery while removing the oxygen-seal. This is important when handling
tiny sizes like 13 and 312. Sometimes it is possible to use that pull-tab
to place the battery in its compartment prior to removal of the seal. That
also makes handling easier, especially if your hands are arthritic.

--
Tegger

On 08/17/2014 05:25 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 8/17/2014 7:26 PM, Oren wrote:

You might ask your family ENT doctor what he/she suggests.


82% of all physicians recommend the brand that
gives the best promos and free crap to the
doctors. Stethoscopes and lighted pens with
brand advertising are desirable.


Still laughing.

On 8/18/2014 7:07 PM, Todd wrote:
On 08/17/2014 05:25 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 8/17/2014 7:26 PM, Oren wrote:

You might ask your family ENT doctor what he/she suggests.


82% of all physicians recommend the brand that
gives the best promos and free crap to the
doctors. Stethoscopes and lighted pens with
brand advertising are desirable.


Still laughing.

I've been in the doctor's waiting room when there were more salesmen
than patients.

Parking lot's always full and I suggested to one that the salesmen
should be bussed in to make room for patients' parking.

He was not amused.

On 08/18/2014 04:32 PM, Frank wrote:

I've been in the doctor's waiting room when there were more salesmen
than patients.

Were they hot chicks by any chance?

On 08/18/14 07:32 pm, Frank wrote:

You might ask your family ENT doctor what he/she suggests.


82% of all physicians recommend the brand that
gives the best promos and free crap to the
doctors. Stethoscopes and lighted pens with
brand advertising are desirable.


Still laughing.

I've been in the doctor's waiting room when there were more salesmen
than patients.

Parking lot's always full and I suggested to one that the salesmen
should be bussed in to make room for patients' parking.

He was not amused.

A few decades ago around Christmas time I was a temporary mail carrier.
One of the premises on my round was a two-doctor medical practice. You
should have seen the amount of advertising material that I had to
deliver to them -- in duplicate, of course.

Perce

Here in Canada, the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Company) has a TV show called "Market Place" where they investigate issues important to consumers.

One of their shows was about alkaline batteries. They wanted to know which alkaline batteries were the best, and after a fair bit of comparison, they found that there was no correlation at all between battery price and battery quality. Their recommendation was to buy the least expensive alkaline batteries because there was no indication whatever that paying more for the batteries would result in batteries that lasted longer, held their charge better or any of the important parameters people use to compare alkaline batteries.

On 8/18/2014 7:07 PM, Todd wrote:
On 08/17/2014 05:25 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 8/17/2014 7:26 PM, Oren wrote:

You might ask your family ENT doctor what he/she suggests.


82% of all physicians recommend the brand that
gives the best promos and free crap to the
doctors. Stethoscopes and lighted pens with
brand advertising are desirable.


Still laughing.
My pleasure. And to save bandwidth (I know, it's
really me!):

Yes, I can easily imagine endless bags of junk mail
to doctors.

I went to a dentist one time, I'd had to park on the
grass. He said "we have to park at the far end of the
complex to leave space for our customers to park here".
Of course, the people at the far end parked here, I'd
guess. Just like trap and release Racoons or Mexicans.


Good idea to shuttle bus the salesmen in. And after the
patient hours so the doc can have a snort or two of
some thing and then catch a doctor bus (Mercedes bus)
home with a blood alcohol level.

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Christopher A. Young
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On 8/18/2014 11:13 PM, nestork wrote:

Here in Canada, the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Company) has a TV show
called "Market Place" where they investigate issues important to
consumers.

One of their shows was about alkaline batteries. They wanted to know
which alkaline batteries were the best, and after a fair bit of
comparison, they found that there was no correlation at all between
battery price and battery quality. Their recommendation was to buy the
least expensive alkaline batteries because there was no indication
whatever that paying more for the batteries would result in batteries
that lasted longer, held their charge better or any of the important
parameters people use to compare alkaline batteries.

Someone in the US tried that with digital cameras. Found
that Costco generic were the best value. They did find
that in digital cameras, lithium AA did last three or four
times longer. Worth the money, if you were at a family thing
taking a LOT of pictures.

--
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Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
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nestork wrote in news:nestork.e387728
@diybanter.com:


Here in Canada, the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Company) has a TV show
called "Market Place" where they investigate issues important to
consumers.

One of their shows was about alkaline batteries. They wanted to know
which alkaline batteries were the best, and after a fair bit of
comparison, they found that there was no correlation at all between
battery price and battery quality. Their recommendation was to buy the
least expensive alkaline batteries because there was no indication
whatever that paying more for the batteries would result in batteries
that lasted longer, held their charge better or any of the important
parameters people use to compare alkaline batteries.




Which is basically what I said, based on my 47 years of wearing hearing
aids.

Read my posts. There are factors other than battery-life that are important
with hearing-aid batteries.


--
Tegger

On 8/19/2014 7:45 AM, Tegger wrote:
Which is basically what I said, based on my 47 years of wearing hearing
aids.

Read my posts. There are factors other than battery-life that are important
with hearing-aid batteries.

I've found that Duracell don't make
good electrical contact. And that
Eco Gold last much longer.


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Christopher A. Young
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Stormin Mormon wrote in
:

On 8/19/2014 7:45 AM, Tegger wrote:
Which is basically what I said, based on my 47 years of wearing
hearing aids.

Read my posts. There are factors other than battery-life that are
important with hearing-aid batteries.

I've found that Duracell don't make
good electrical contact.



Really. I've been using zinc-air Duracells in 675 and 13 for very, very
many years and there has never been one single problem with them. Not one.
Ever. Except when they accidentally make it into the laundry; and that
kills any hearing-aid battery.

Back in the '60s and '70s you occasionally encountered dud batteries in the
pack. The pack was therefore provided with little holes in the plastic
blister and a conductive surface on the backing paper. That way you could
use a multimeter to quickly check the voltage of each cell in the pack
without removing them from the pack. But those days are LONG gone, along
with the mercury that was then used. Modern batteries are 100% reliable now
regardless of brand.



And that Eco Gold last much longer.





I'll have to take your word on that, since I'd never heard of that brand.

I see from Eco-Gold's website that they buy these batteries from Varta, a
well-known European battery maker. It's strange that they can advertise
them as having "longer lasting high voltage", to be less prone to
corrosion, to have assuredly consistent voltage across the battery, and yet
still be 60% of the cost of "the most common" batteries.

Assuming Eco-Gold's claims of the "most common" batteries costing about
$1.12 each for a pack of 8, and assuming they last two weeks, I'm spending
roughly five dollars a month to run my two hearing aids. Trying to cut that
cost is pointless. And batteries are available in any drug store.

--
Tegger

store new batteries in the fridge, reduces the self discharge and increases the shelf life... also you will know where to find them :-)

Mark

On 8/19/2014 11:11 AM, wrote:
store new batteries in the fridge, reduces the self discharge and increases the shelf life... also you will know where to find them :-)

Mark

Frost free fridge, will dessicate the
glue on the activator strips.

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Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
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On 08/18/2014 06:32 PM, Frank wrote:

[snip]

I've been in the doctor's waiting room when there were more salesmen
than patients.

Parking lot's always full and I suggested to one that the salesmen
should be bussed in to make room for patients' parking.

He was not amused.

I can remember waiting 2 hours to see a doctor. Drug salesmen never
waited more than about 5 minutes.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us

"Hell is an outrage on humanity. When you tell me that your Deity made
you in his own image, I reply that he must have been very ugly." [Victor
Hugo]

On 08/19/14 12:21 pm, Mark Lloyd wrote:

I've been in the doctor's waiting room when there were more salesmen
than patients.

Parking lot's always full and I suggested to one that the salesmen
should be bussed in to make room for patients' parking.

He was not amused.

I can remember waiting 2 hours to see a doctor. Drug salesmen never
waited more than about 5 minutes.

I haven't noticed such signs in the new medical facility that houses a
score or more of doctors, but in our doctor's former facility a sign
announced that representatives would be seen only between certain hours
on one particular day -- I don't recall now whether it was a particular
day every week or less frequently than that.

BTW, in addition to doctors being bombarded by mail and in-person
marketing by the drug industry, they are also bombarded by patients
wanting them to prescribe the latest thing they've seen advertised on
TV. I have read that the USA and New Zealand are the only countries that
permit TV advertising of prescription-only medications.

Perce

"Percival P. Cassidy" wrote in message

stuff snipped

I haven't noticed such signs in the new medical facility that houses a
score or more of doctors, but in our doctor's former facility a sign
announced that representatives would be seen only between certain hours
on one particular day -- I don't recall now whether it was a particular
day every week or less frequently than that.

I once got a fistful of valuable discount coupons (about $80 worth) by
making a scene about a "detail man" (it was actually a woman) rolling into
the doctor's office ahead of me with her rolling suitcase after I had been
waiting quite some time. She explained that she was only dropping off some
samples but that Federal law required her to get the MD to sign for them at
the time of delivery.

The doctor (who I knew quite well) didn't mention my dustup other than to
say he depends on the pharamacy rep to leave samples that he can give to
patients that otherwise couldn't afford their drugs. Whether that's all
true or not I don't know, but it sounded like a reasonable explanation. I
took the payola gladly, I confess! The MD also gave me two neat pens (with
an Alzheimer's drug name on them) that had laser pointers built-in, so I got
a double payoff for squawking. Now I have to find a half-sized Cross refill
or buy a full sized one and cut it down - could be messy!

BTW, in addition to doctors being bombarded by mail and in-person
marketing by the drug industry, they are also bombarded by patients
wanting them to prescribe the latest thing they've seen advertised on
TV. I have read that the USA and New Zealand are the only countries that
permit TV advertising of prescription-only medications.

And IIRC, they bundle those advertising costs into R&D when they complain
about how much it costs to bring new drugs to market. It would cost a lot
less without all those glossy magazine ads and TV commercials.

My MD has mixed feelings about the ads. He believes that sometimes
advertising alerts people to conditions they might not realize they have but
more often pushes meds to people that don't really need them (he cites Low-T
ads as being the worst of that class of ads).

--
Bobby G.

On 08/19/2014 11:49 AM, Percival P. Cassidy wrote:

[snip]

I haven't noticed such signs in the new medical facility that houses a
score or more of doctors, but in our doctor's former facility a sign
announced that representatives would be seen only between certain hours
on one particular day -- I don't recall now whether it was a particular
day every week or less frequently than that.

When I moved here in 1988, I was seeing the doctor (since retired) I
mentioned. Maybe he had so many patients (requiring waiting 2 hours)
because office visits cost ten dollars. This was still true in 1999.
Some of these patients were on Medicare, so it was $2 for them. I knew
one who had additional insurance and got a check for $1.60 after seeing
the doctor.

BTW, once he gave me some samples. 2 boxes each containing 7 smaller
boxes. Each smaller box contained a bottle with 7 small pills in it. I
opened the boxes and bottles putting ALL 98 pills in one of the bottles
(which was only about 40% full). Somewhere I have a picture of that
bottle next to the HUGE (relatively) pile of trash (2 boxes, 2 pieces of
plastic wrap, 14 smaller boxes, 13 bottles, 13 lids, 14 bottle seals, 14
little plastic cylinders marked "DO NOT EAT", and 14 large sheets of
institutional toilet paper with stuff for a doctor to read).

BTW, in addition to doctors being bombarded by mail and in-person
marketing by the drug industry, they are also bombarded by patients
wanting them to prescribe the latest thing they've seen advertised on
TV. I have read that the USA and New Zealand are the only countries that
permit TV advertising of prescription-only medications.

I remember the first commercial I heard for "the purple pill". It said
nothing about what it was supposed to be for. Maybe you're supposed to
ask your doctor.

Perce

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us

"Hell is an outrage on humanity. When you tell me that your Deity made
you in his own image, I reply that he must have been very ugly." [Victor
Hugo]

On 8/19/2014 8:55 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
BTW, once he gave me some samples. 2 boxes each containing 7 smaller
boxes. Each smaller box contained a bottle with 7 small pills in it. I
opened the boxes and bottles putting ALL 98 pills in one of the bottles
(which was only about 40% full). Somewhere I have a picture of that
bottle next to the HUGE (relatively) pile of trash (2 boxes, 2 pieces of
plastic wrap, 14 smaller boxes, 13 bottles, 13 lids, 14 bottle seals, 14
little plastic cylinders marked "DO NOT EAT", and 14 large sheets of
institutional toilet paper with stuff for a doctor to read).


Hope that worked out for you.

I don't have the source, but I remember someone wrote /
mentioned years ago about having a totally expensive
prescription. It was something that decomposed rapidly.
The small thick, dark glass bottles (a couple pills
each) were foil sealed, and the instructions said to
open only at the very last instant.

The pharmacist opened and discarded all the glass and
foil bottles, dumped them into a pharmacy plastic bottle
with label. The medicine all promptly went useless, and
the pharmacy wasn't very sympathetic about the gross negligence.

--
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Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
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Well, I guess the answer to my ooriginal posting is that there is no strong opinion on Eveready vs Rayovaac.

On Tue, 19 Aug 2014 20:15:38 -0700,
wrote:

Well, I guess the answer to my ooriginal posting is that there is no
strong opinion on Eveready vs Rayovaac.


Not sure what year, but we had a medical product which required C, or AA
batteries, or was that AAA? sorry can't remember which. We found the
longest lasting was Ray-O-vac, but they had a 'leakage'problem that bit us
every now and then. The second was Everaedy, lasting [from memory] around
80 to 85% as long as ray-ovac. And Duracell was a major joke! cost as much
as everready, but lasted about half as long.

I'm sure by now these companies have solved their ills, sorted out their
battery chemistry and packaging, and are all equal now.

" wrote in
:

Well, I guess the answer to my ooriginal posting is that there is no
strong opinion on Eveready vs Rayovaac.



Did you read /any/ of my posts?

There is no detectable difference in hearing-aid battery life from brand to
brand, so buy whichever is
1) on sale,
2) easist to find,
3) has the most convenient oxygen-seal pull-tab.

Personally, I prefer Duracell on account of their long pull-tab making
their nbatteries the most convenient and easiest to handle.

--
Tegger