I was reading something the other day that seemed to indicate that
Fathers Day is not really celebrated in the African American community.

Any thoughts or comments on that?

On Saturday, June 14, 2014 6:00:12 PM UTC-7, Bill Cosby wrote:
I was reading something the other day that seemed to indicate that

Fathers Day is not really celebrated in the African American community.



Any thoughts or comments on that?


Yes. FOAD.

HB

On 06/14/2014 09:00 PM, Bill Cosby wrote:
I was reading something the other day that seemed to indicate that
Fathers Day is not really celebrated in the African American community.

Any thoughts or comments on that?


Father's Day is just another commercial holiday invented by retailers to sell more merchandise.

Did you get that new Binford 6100 gizmo you always wanted?

On 6/14/2014 9:00 PM, Bill Cosby wrote:
I was reading something the other day that seemed to indicate that
Fathers Day is not really celebrated in the African American community.

Any thoughts or comments on that?

Fathers Day is an unofficial holiday in Kenya.

And here in America, there are plenty of websites and stores selling
African-American Fathers Day cards. So some blacks are celebrating it.


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On Saturday, June 14, 2014 7:07:16 PM UTC-7, Higgs Boson wrote:
On Saturday, June 14, 2014 6:00:12 PM UTC-7, Bill Cosby wrote:

I was reading something the other day that seemed to indicate that

Fathers Day is not really celebrated in the African American community.

Any thoughts or comments on that?

Yes. FOAD.

HB

This is not about greeting cards and merchandise, though it is true that Mothers, Fathers, Grandparents, dogs, cats, etc. Days are "invented by stores to sell merchandise" ...and restaurants to beef up customers.

This came across to me as a sly slap at Black families. Didn't ANYBODY pick up on the vile aspersions cast on Black families? They are more likely to be poor; more likely to have male members arrested and imprisoned far more than whites for the same offense; more often headed by a female; more often have children attending underserved schools w/o the best teachers, and on & on.

Maybe they have bigger worries than buying greeting cards for a commercial "Day"

HB

On 6/14/2014 6:00 PM, Bill Cosby wrote:
I was reading something the other day that seemed to indicate that
Fathers Day is not really celebrated in the African American community.

Any thoughts or comments on that?

I guess track school is on break where Bill lives...................

Higgs Boson wrote:

This is not about greeting cards and merchandise, ...
This came across to me as a sly slap at Black families. Didn't
ANYBODY pick up on the vile aspersions cast on Black families?

You seem surprised that those that responded are as dumb as a sack of
hammers.

But even you missed the point.

ANYBODY pick up on the vile aspersions cast on Black families?

Black families?

That's hillarious.

To have a family, a real family - you need a father. And in any given
black household, what you will usually not find is - a father (or -
"the" father).

Hence the idea that "Father's Day" in the African American community is
a strange concept.

vile aspersions

Hey, don't shoot the messenger. Go look up the numbers for yourself.

Bill Cosby "Bill.Cosby"@We cant blame white people any.longer wrote in
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Higgs Boson wrote:

This is not about greeting cards and merchandise, ...
This came across to me as a sly slap at Black families. Didn't
ANYBODY pick up on the vile aspersions cast on Black families?

You seem surprised that those that responded are as dumb as a sack of
hammers.

But even you missed the point.

ANYBODY pick up on the vile aspersions cast on Black families?

Black families?

That's hillarious.

To have a family, a real family - you need a father. And in any given
black household, what you will usually not find is - a father (or -
"the" father).

Hence the idea that "Father's Day" in the African American community is
a strange concept.

vile aspersions

Hey, don't shoot the messenger. Go look up the numbers for yourself.


+1 on that. It's my understanding that black "families" do make a big deal
of mother's day and also have a "WhoDat" day instead of Father's Day. You
know: Moma, who dat man in yo bed?

On 6/16/2014 9:44 AM, BillyBobT wrote:

+1 on that. It's my understanding that black "families" do make a big deal
of mother's day and also have a "WhoDat" day instead of Father's Day. You
know: Moma, who dat man in yo bed?


Isn't that practiced every day of the year
in some cultures?

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On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 08:26:58 -0400, Bill Cosby "Bill.Cosby"@We cant
blame white people any.longer wrote:

Higgs Boson wrote:

This is not about greeting cards and merchandise, ...
This came across to me as a sly slap at Black families. Didn't
ANYBODY pick up on the vile aspersions cast on Black families?

You seem surprised that those that responded are as dumb as a sack of
hammers.

But even you missed the point.

ANYBODY pick up on the vile aspersions cast on Black families?

Black families?

That's hillarious.

To have a family, a real family - you need a father. And in any given
black household, what you will usually not find is - a father (or -
"the" father).

Hence the idea that "Father's Day" in the African American community is
a strange concept.

vile aspersions

Hey, don't shoot the messenger. Go look up the numbers for yourself.
There is a sizeable portion of the black american community where the
father is not in evidence, and a growing portion of the American white
community where the same is true. There is also a very sizeable
American Black community where the fother is VERY present, and
contributes significantly to the family dynamic, and the welfare and
education of his children.
Sadly there is a smaller and smaller part of the white community where
this is true.

Using improper usenet message-composition style,
unnecessarily full-quoted:

There is a sizeable portion of the black american community where the
father is not in evidence,

There is also a very sizeable American Black community where the
father is VERY present

Make up your mind.

That's a good example of double-speak you've got going there.

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http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/...19185720070614

Father absence "decimates" black community in U.S.

By Joyce Kelly

CHICAGO Thu Jun 14, 2007

More than 19 million children -- about one in four -- were living in
households where no father, biological or other, was present, according
to a Census Bureau report in 2005.

The statistics also show that this burden falls more heavily on black
children. Some 56 percent of black children lived in single-parent
families in 2004, with most of those families headed by mothers. That
figure compared with 22 percent of white children and 31 percent of
Hispanic children.
-----------------

Not much has changed lately for blacks, but what has gotten worse is
that in general, even more US children don't have a father (at least not
a father that's raising them as part of a family unit):

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Dec 25 / 2012

Fifteen million U.S. children, or 1 in 3, live without a father,

Though income is the primary predictor, the lack of live-in fathers also
is overwhelmingly a black problem, regardless of poverty status, census
data show. Among blacks, nearly 5 million children, or 54 percent, live
with only their mother.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...rica/?page=all
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And now I'll conclude with this happy report:

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The Black Family Is Worse Off Today Than In the 1960's

March, 2013

A new report released by the Urban Institute finds that the
African-American family has declined across almost every measure since
the 1960's.

According to a report released by the Urban Institute, the state of the
African-American family is worse today than it was in the 1960's. Before
you become offended and charge, “What about the White family?!” The
report also discloses that families of all ethnicities are showing a
decline; however, the African-American household has suffered the worst
decline. Plus, YourBlackWorld.com offers you news specifically about
the state of Black America, so, our focus will be on the state of the
African-American family.

In 1950, 17 percent of African-American children lived in a home with
their mother but not their father. By 2010 that had increased to 50
percent. In 1965, only eight percent of childbirths in the Black
community occurred out-of-wedlock. In 2010 that figure was 41 percent;
and today, the out-of-wedlock childbirth in the Black community sits at
an astonishing 72 percent. The number of African-American women married
and living with their spouse was recorded as 53 percent in 1950. By
2010, it had dropped to 25 percent.

The original report titled “The Negro Family: The Case for National
Action,” was released in 1965 by the late New York Sen. Daniel Moynihan.
Moynihan, who was the assistant labor secretary at the time of the
report’s release, laid out a series of statistics on the
African-American family. Moynihan, in his report’s conclusion declared,
“at the heart of the deterioration of the fabric of Negro society is the
deterioration of the Negro family. It is the fundamental source of the
weakness of the Negro community at the present time.” Sadly, the outlook
of the African-American family is more bleak than when Moynihan wrote
his conclusion.

“An analysis of national data indicates that little progress has been
made on the key issues Moynihan identified,” wrote Gregory Acs, of the
Urban Institute, in a statement released with the report. “Further, many
of the issues he identified for Black families are now prevalent among
other families.” The Urban Institute’s report also added to the original
scope of the Moynihan report to include the rate of incarceration,
employment, and educational attainment in the African-American
community. “Since the Moynihan report was released, another major social
trend has put further strains on Black families — the mass incarceration
of Black men,” Acs said. “By 2010, about one out of every six Black men
had spent some time in prison, compared with about 1 out of 33 white
men.”

A demographic breakdown by race was not available for the 1965 report,
but numbers beginning in 1974 showed disproportionate numbers of
African-American men being sent to prison. In 1974, it was nine percent
of Black men compared to one percent of white men. By 2010, that had
risen to 16 percent of Black men and three percent of white men. The
report did note that number has started to decline slightly among Black
men.

http://www.yourblackworld.net/2013/0...-report-shows/
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Happy Father's Day to you, Mr. Cosby.

Here in Canada, the drunken rampent and often violent sex amongst teenagers and adults on native reservations has been made into a joke:

Q: What's the definition of "uncertainty"?

A: Father's Day on a native reservation.

On Monday, June 16, 2014 2:29:29 PM UTC-7, nestork wrote:
Here in Canada, the drunken rampent and often violent sex amongst

teenagers and adults on native reservations has been made into a joke:



Q: What's the definition of "uncertainty"?



A: Father's Day on a native reservation.

Father's Day bad-speak aside, US also has undesirable conditions on reservations and lack of opportunity OFF the reservations.

ANY TIME you destroy a native culture as ruthlessly and heartlessly as US (maybe also Canada?) destroyed the Indians/Native Americans/aboriginal peoples/First Nations, there will be consequences.

I am a Polar freak; deeply read in Arctic and Antarctic exploration; have traveled to both ends of the earth; my dream before I shuffle off this mortal coil, is to stand at both Poles. (But will have to "stand" at North Pole in a boat; the ice will be gone.)

Speaking of destroying native cultures: The ruthless, heartless destruction of the Antarctic Polar peoples is almost beyond belief. Just finished yet another book on the subject: "The Empire of Ice" by Gretel Erlich, about the effects of missionaries, White diseases, and global warming on peoples who lived for 10,000 years in a well-understood cycle based on ice. Now are as lost as the American (and Canadian) Indians.

HB

You no doubt mean the "Arctic" polar people. The Antarctic polar people are flightless birds called "penguins".

The treatment of Arctic people in Canada didn't have as much tragedy as that of the US government's treatment of "Indians". Largely that was because they lived in or near very isolated fishing villages all along the Canadian Northern coast and survived by fishing in the summer and mostly on seal meat in the winter. So, nothing the Canadian "Eskimos" had was of any use or worth to either white Canadians immigrants as they moved north into the arctic or the Canadian government who largely left the natives alone. Similarily, the natives of the true north left the government alone by living in that harsh environment without expecting help or handouts from the Canadian government.

Getting to the treatment of native peoples (ie: "Indians) in Canada...
You have to realize that a lot of these so called "tragedies" that happened were done with the best of intentions. Canada had a residential school system whereby natives that were old enough to attend school were placed as residents in what were effectively Catholic "boarding schools". Those schools were set up so that native children would not be disadvantaged by illiteracy as their parents were. We don't understand that reasoning because nowadays almost everyone gets educated to Grade 10 or better so it's rare to find someone who is truly illiterate. Kids in school nowadays can't read like a Shakespearian actor and can't write like Chaucer, but they can understand what they read and write down what they think. People in Canada's government back then remember a time when the children of the poor would end up truly illiterate because their parents couldn't afford to send them to school. Farm women that were living in abusive relationships with their husbands had little recourse than to run off to the cities to become house maids to the wealthy. These women weren't stupid. They knew that they were caught in a cycle of advantage for the well educated and disadvantage for the poorly educated, and if the wealthy screwed them over as house maids, they often saw prostitution as the only way of breaking that cycle by making enough money to send their own children to school.

The residential school system in Canada was set up to save native children, both boys and girls, from that fate, but with any system, there were flaws. There were bad teachers that abused children by meting out inappropriate punishments, and even mental, physical and sexual abuse. But, facts be known, exactly the same things were going on at catholic schools and orphanages in southern Canada where orphaned white children were given an education, room and board. I kinda get upset about the natives all demanding reparations from the Canadian government because of things that happened to them when white kids growing up in catholic schools and orphanages cannot partake in the same plunder because the catholic church has shallower pockets and better lawyers.

The residential school system gave native children the basic living skills so they could make something of themselves in the white man's world if the chose to. They were able to read and write better than Canadian children (like my mother) who only got to Grade 3 in school before she had to quit for lack of money for books and school supplies. But, more importantly it empowered Canada's native youth. Being able to read, write and do arithmetic meant aboriginals could not be screwed out of the proper wages for their work. And, it made it possible for them to take leadership roles in their own communities, such as the chief of their tribe or the editor of a small newspaper. Then, for the cost of a small mimeograph machine, each small town could have it's own "newspaper", and that meant that people could exchange ideas with others in that small town, even if they were illiterate. As long as they knew someone who had been to a residential school, they had access to someone who could read and write for them. But most of all it restored law and order in the wilds of Canada because each residential school student was sufficiently educated to be able to tell his father, brother or uncle whether the price paid for his goods or services was what was agreed to and above board. In truth, the easiest way for the Canadian government to have abused natives in Canada would have been to keep them illiterate.

The residential school system did an awful lot of good for an awful lot of Canadian aboriginal children, but largely because of weak kneed Government lawyers, that system is now being raked over the coals.

Now there's money to be had in being abused, and so natives are rising up against the system that "tore" children from their families, savagely deprived them of their culture and heritage. The actual physical, mental or sexual abuse is one thing, but natives that weren't abused also get a piece of the action by bellowing how they were torn from their families and deprived of their culture, and they want to cash in on that "abuse" too. That way everyone gets a pay day. Sorry, but I believe far more good has been done by educating those native children in the three R's than has been undone by the abuse that definitely happened to a small number of those children.

It's a cash cow that every native in Canada wants to milk. But, that's just one man's opinion.

On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 03:33:28 +0200, nestork
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Sorry, but I believe far more good has been done by educating those
native children in the three R's than has been undone by the abuse that
definitely happened.

+1 on that.
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On Sat, 14 Jun 2014 21:00:12 -0400, Bill Cosby wrote:

Any thoughts or comments on that?

It's a cultural thing.
Same reason they can't speak English properly.

On 06/29/14 10:30 am, Lance Echolot wrote:

Any thoughts or comments on that?

It's a cultural thing.
Same reason they can't speak English properly.

I have yet to meet an American of whatever colour -- black, white,
brown, or brindle -- who can speak (or write) English properly.

Perce

On 6/29/2014 1:28 PM, Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
I have yet to meet an American of whatever colour -- black, white,
brown, or brindle -- who can speak (or write) English properly.

Perce

Smashing good, what? Whilst I don't wish to
think ye barmy, I dinah ken tell ye blokes
nattering, bloody rubbish.

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