When I just finished my trommel, I had a gear reduction motor that I
used. Apparently, it had never been used, as there was no oil in it,
and I do mean DRY. I put some 30 wt in there, what I had. I have used
it about four hours now. Should I put any special oil in there, and if
I do switch oils, do I need to flush the old oil out, and with what?

Steve

On 01/01/2014 10:43 AM, SteveB wrote:
When I just finished my trommel, I had a gear reduction motor that I
used. Apparently, it had never been used, as there was no oil in it,
and I do mean DRY. I put some 30 wt in there, what I had. I have used
it about four hours now. Should I put any special oil in there, and if
I do switch oils, do I need to flush the old oil out, and with what?

Steve



30wt oil is certainly better than NO oil, but gear boxes usually use a
much heavier weight oil.

Go to the mfg's website and have a look at the service manual for your
particular device. Assuming you need to use heavier oil I do not think
you'd need to flush your system...merely draining it and properly
disposing of the old oil should suffice.

On 1/1/2014 8:43 AM, SteveB wrote:
When I just finished my trommel, I had a gear reduction motor that I
used. Apparently, it had never been used, as there was no oil in it, and
I do mean DRY. I put some 30 wt in there, what I had. I have used it
about four hours now. Should I put any special oil in there, and if I do
switch oils, do I need to flush the old oil out, and with what?

Steve
What ever you use, be sure it is not regular motor oil. Should be
non-detergent. If the machine is subject to relay heavy loading, use
"gear oil". If lightly loaded, use something like air compressor oil.

If there are seals on the bearings, they may leak for awhile, but should
expand when they absorb oil and stop leaking.

What is a "trommel"?

Paul

On 1/1/2014 12:31 PM, philo wrote:
30wt oil is certainly better than NO oil, but gear boxes usually use a
much heavier weight oil.

Go to the mfg's website and have a look at the service manual for your
particular device. Assuming you need to use heavier oil I do not think
you'd need to flush your system...merely draining it and properly
disposing of the old oil should suffice.

Guess I could look up "trommel". I'd also been
thinking heaver. What's the speed of the box?
Slow speed, or high? Might work on hypoid
gear lube.

Fill with large hypoidermic syringe.
Hypoidermic, get it?
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On Wed, 01 Jan 2014 09:31:30 -0800, Paul Drahn
wrote:

What is a "trommel"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trommel

I think in this case, OP may be using it for Pecans (Pee-Cans down
South)...

What kind of gear box is this?

On 1/1/14 11:31 AM, Paul Drahn wrote:
On 1/1/2014 8:43 AM, SteveB wrote:
When I just finished my trommel, I had a gear reduction motor that I
used. Apparently, it had never been used, as there was no oil in it, and
I do mean DRY. I put some 30 wt in there, what I had. I have used it
about four hours now. Should I put any special oil in there, and if I do
switch oils, do I need to flush the old oil out, and with what?

Steve
What ever you use, be sure it is not regular motor oil. Should be
non-detergent. If the machine is subject to relay heavy loading, use
"gear oil". If lightly loaded, use something like air compressor oil.

If there are seals on the bearings, they may leak for awhile, but should
expand when they absorb oil and stop leaking.

What is a "trommel"?

Paul

I was curious enough to look it up. It's a rotating cylinder used
to separate material by size. Trommels vary tremendously by size. It
is a grain cleaner in the farming world. One purpose would be to
separate the wheat from the chaff.

On 1/1/2014 12:19 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 1/1/14 11:31 AM, Paul Drahn wrote:
On 1/1/2014 8:43 AM, SteveB wrote:
When I just finished my trommel, I had a gear reduction motor that I
used. Apparently, it had never been used, as there was no oil in it, and
I do mean DRY. I put some 30 wt in there, what I had. I have used it
about four hours now. Should I put any special oil in there, and if I do
switch oils, do I need to flush the old oil out, and with what?

Steve
What ever you use, be sure it is not regular motor oil. Should be
non-detergent. If the machine is subject to relay heavy loading, use
"gear oil". If lightly loaded, use something like air compressor oil.

If there are seals on the bearings, they may leak for awhile, but should
expand when they absorb oil and stop leaking.

What is a "trommel"?

Paul

I was curious enough to look it up. It's a rotating cylinder used to
separate material by size. Trommels vary tremendously by size. It is a
grain cleaner in the farming world. One purpose would be to separate the
wheat from the chaff.

I went to high school with a Trommel! In the farming world, grain is
cleaned from chaff using adjustable screens and a fan. The cylinder in a
combine is used to beat the grain off the straw. It and the screens are
self cleaning.

Still need more info one the speed, in and out of the gear reduction,
and does it use straight gears, bevel gears or worm gears. Each needs a
different type of oil.

Paul

Guess I could look up "trommel". I'd also been
thinking heaver. What's the speed of the box?
Slow speed, or high? Might work on hypoid
gear lube.

Fill with large hypoidermic syringe.
Hypoidermic, get it?

It is a 24:1 reduction motor. And I used a Cajun Injector to fill it.

Steve

What is a "trommel"?

Paul

Basically, a spinning tube with holes in it so that one can separate
different sizes of materials, commonly used in mining to separate rocks
from fine ore bearing sized pieces of material. Also called a classifier.

Steve

On 1/1/2014 1:19 PM, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 01 Jan 2014 09:31:30 -0800, Paul Drahn
wrote:

What is a "trommel"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trommel

I think in this case, OP may be using it for Pecans (Pee-Cans down
South)...

What kind of gear box is this?

Not sure of mfr. but a 24:1 reduction with 1/2" input shaft and 5/8"
output. American made.

Steve

On Wed, 01 Jan 2014 09:43:43 -0700, SteveB wrote:

When I just finished my trommel, I had a gear reduction motor that I
used. Apparently, it had never been used, as there was no oil in it,
and I do mean DRY. I put some 30 wt in there, what I had. I have used
it about four hours now. Should I put any special oil in there, and if
I do switch oils, do I need to flush the old oil out, and with what?

Steve


Isn't this the kind of thing you can ask at the farm machinery store?

On Wed, 01 Jan 2014 20:50:37 -0700, SteveB wrote:

What kind of gear box is this?

Not sure of mfr. but a 24:1 reduction with 1/2" input shaft and 5/8"
output. American made.

Steve


Would this site be any help...

http://jaycongear.com/others.htm

Where did you obtain this unit, salvage? No markings at all?

In article ,
micky wrote:
On Wed, 01 Jan 2014 09:43:43 -0700, SteveB wrote:

When I just finished my trommel, I had a gear reduction motor that I
used. Apparently, it had never been used, as there was no oil in it,
and I do mean DRY. I put some 30 wt in there, what I had. I have used
it about four hours now. Should I put any special oil in there, and if
I do switch oils, do I need to flush the old oil out, and with what?

Steve


Isn't this the kind of thing you can ask at the farm machinery store?

Or alt.farm.equipment.repair ?


--
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with the average voter. (Winston Churchill)

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On 01/02/2014 05:32 PM, Larry W wrote:
In article ,
micky wrote:
On Wed, 01 Jan 2014 09:43:43 -0700, SteveB wrote:

When I just finished my trommel, I had a gear reduction motor that I
used. Apparently, it had never been used, as there was no oil in it,
and I do mean DRY. I put some 30 wt in there, what I had. I have used
it about four hours now. Should I put any special oil in there, and if
I do switch oils, do I need to flush the old oil out, and with what?

Steve


Isn't this the kind of thing you can ask at the farm machinery store?

Or alt.farm.equipment.repair ?





It would have taken the OP about a minute to go on-line and read the
manual for the equipment.

On Thu, 02 Jan 2014 17:45:54 -0600, philo* wrote:

It would have taken the OP about a minute to go on-line and read the
manual for the equipment.

Based on what evidence? Point us to a link, so conclusive.

(btw, OP is a retired structural steel engineer)

On 1/2/2014 4:45 PM, philo wrote:


It would have taken the OP about a minute to go on-line and read the
manual for the equipment.


Oh, goody. We can disband the group. Everyone go home. There's no
need for the group. We can just go to Google.

philo, ever been to Google? Yes, sometimes you can find what you're
looking for. Other times, it is like looking for a particular grain of
sand at the beach.

If you don't like open discussion, and asking questions, buzz off.
Those of us here who don't know everything sure do bother you who do,
don't we?

Steve

On 1/1/2014 10:43 AM, SteveB wrote:
When I just finished my trommel, I had a gear reduction motor that I
used. Apparently, it had never been used, as there was no oil in it,
and I do mean DRY. I put some 30 wt in there, what I had. I have used
it about four hours now. Should I put any special oil in there, and if
I do switch oils, do I need to flush the old oil out, and with what?

Steve

I've always used 90W gear oil in gear boxes. The heat produced by the
friction of the gears running in the gear box will cause the heavy oil
to flow freely and it really sticks to the gears fighting friction a lot
better than that puny 30W oil. ^_^

TDD

On 1/2/14 11:27 PM, SteveB wrote:

Oh, goody. We can disband the group. Everyone go home. There's no
need for the group. We can just go to Google.

philo, ever been to Google? Yes, sometimes you can find what you're
looking for. Other times, it is like looking for a particular grain of
sand at the beach.

If you don't like open discussion, and asking questions, buzz off. Those
of us here who don't know everything sure do bother you who do, don't we?

Steve

There is another plus to asking advice here vs. Google or whatever.
It's someone offering an alternative solution that the OP hasn't thought
of. Even the silliest sounding idea helps sometimes if it makes one
think of alternatives. Two or ten silly ideas might combine to form a
workable solution.
This gives me an excuse to mention the series Connections by James
Burke. He'd start each show by or in a modern invention then show all
the odd things that came together to make the invention possible.
Wikepedia link here if anyone is interested:
http://tinyurl.com/djfk6

On 1/3/2014 12:27 AM, SteveB wrote:
On 1/2/2014 4:45 PM, philo wrote:


It would have taken the OP about a minute to go on-line and read the
manual for the equipment.


Oh, goody. We can disband the group. Everyone go home. There's no
need for the group. We can just go to Google.

philo, ever been to Google? Yes, sometimes you can find what you're
looking for. Other times, it is like looking for a particular grain of
sand at the beach.

If you don't like open discussion, and asking questions, buzz off. Those
of us here who don't know everything sure do bother you who do, don't we?

Steve

No! Don't disband the group. It has way too much entertainment value.
And, it always proves the Wizard's first rule.

On 1/3/2014 5:12 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 1/2/14 11:27 PM, SteveB wrote:

Oh, goody. We can disband the group. Everyone go home. There's no
need for the group. We can just go to Google.

philo, ever been to Google? Yes, sometimes you can find what you're
looking for. Other times, it is like looking for a particular grain of
sand at the beach.

If you don't like open discussion, and asking questions, buzz off. Those
of us here who don't know everything sure do bother you who do, don't we?

Steve

There is another plus to asking advice here vs. Google or whatever.
It's someone offering an alternative solution that the OP hasn't thought
of. Even the silliest sounding idea helps sometimes if it makes one
think of alternatives. Two or ten silly ideas might combine to form a
workable solution.
This gives me an excuse to mention the series Connections by James
Burke. He'd start each show by or in a modern invention then show all
the odd things that came together to make the invention possible.
Wikepedia link here if anyone is interested:
http://tinyurl.com/djfk6

Thank you for your support. I don't know about you, but I absolutely
hate the new Bing thing. Talk about finding a clamshell at the beach!
But they make it necessary for you to wade through layers upon layers of
ads before you even get to choose the search terms for what you are
looking for. And about that. "Gear reduction motor oil" will get you
hits about hiking GEAR, breast REDUCTION, penis pump MOTORS, and KY
LUBRICATING OIL before you ever get into metal related stuff because
they are all based on number of hits. And, as you say, someone can come
up with a solution akin to adding oatmeal, or something wild that one
would never think of to solve a particular situation. I do love Google,
but IT IS AN ADVERTISING MEDIA, and has grown a lot towards that bent
since it started, IIRC.

Steve

On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 10:13:38 -0700, SteveB wrote:

Thank you for your support. I don't know about you, but I absolutely
hate the new Bing thing.

Are you using the Bing bar application? I'd remove that crap or never
install it. I use Bing and never have trouble finding things I'm
looking for. I can't stand Google.

On 1/3/2014 12:04 PM, Mike wrote:

Oh, goody. We can disband the group. Everyone go home. There's no
need for the group. We can just go to Google.


No! Don't disband the group. It has way too much entertainment value.
And, it always proves the Wizard's first rule.

Is that any thing like Godwin's law, or Young's Law?

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On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 10:16:33 -0800, Oren wrote:

On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 10:13:38 -0700, SteveB wrote:

Thank you for your support. I don't know about you, but I absolutely
hate the new Bing thing.

Are you using the Bing bar application? I'd remove that crap or never
install it. I use Bing and never have trouble finding things I'm
looking for.

+1

I just had to delete a lot of crap a "freeware" application gave me
for nothing. :-( I guess I'll have to buy something to convert some
WMAs to MPGs (iTunes is *so* stupid).


I can't stand Google.

I don't use either.

On 1/3/2014 4:01 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 1/3/2014 12:04 PM, Mike wrote:

Oh, goody. We can disband the group. Everyone go home. There's no
need for the group. We can just go to Google.


No! Don't disband the group. It has way too much entertainment value.
And, it always proves the Wizard's first rule.

Is that any thing like Godwin's law, or Young's Law?


I doubt it would stop the action as Goodwin says. In fact, maybe the
opposite.

I'm not sure how Young's Law would apply here. Maybe all the posts
could be viewed as droplets?

But, I read about the Wizard's first rule long ago in a science fiction
book. His first rule was people are stupid. That is they will say
and/or believe anything.

On 1/4/2014 10:06 AM, Mike wrote:

But, I read about the Wizard's first rule long ago in a science fiction
book. His first rule was people are stupid. That is they will say
and/or believe anything.

You know, that really makes sense. I can agree with that.


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On Sat, 04 Jan 2014 08:19:48 -0700, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 1/4/2014 10:06 AM, Mike wrote:

But, I read about the Wizard's first rule long ago in a science fiction
book. His first rule was people are stupid. That is they will say
and/or believe anything.

You know, that really makes sense. I can agree with that.




LOL! Thanks I needed that today.

On 1/4/2014 11:01 AM, RobertMacy wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jan 2014 08:19:48 -0700, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 1/4/2014 10:06 AM, Mike wrote:

But, I read about the Wizard's first rule long ago in a science fiction
book. His first rule was people are stupid. That is they will say
and/or believe anything.

You know, that really makes sense. I can agree with that.




LOL! Thanks I needed that today.

My pleasure, it sure seemed like a straight
line, to me.

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On 01/02/2014 06:13 PM, Oren wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jan 2014 17:45:54 -0600, philo wrote:

It would have taken the OP about a minute to go on-line and read the
manual for the equipment.

Based on what evidence? Point us to a link, so conclusive.

(btw, OP is a retired structural steel engineer)




I Googled for "trommel" and found (with a smidgen of looking) there was
a factory manual for them on-line which specified the proper gear oil to
use.

Of course the OP did not supply the model number of his so I cannot
provide a link to the specific "trommel" he is using.

On 01/02/2014 11:27 PM, SteveB wrote:
On 1/2/2014 4:45 PM, philo wrote:


It would have taken the OP about a minute to go on-line and read the
manual for the equipment.


Oh, goody. X

ramblings snipped

Bottom line is that you gave poor info. At the very least you would need
to give the specific model of you device.

Some here are better at using Google than others.

On 1/4/2014 12:10 PM, philo wrote:

I Googled for "trommel" and found (with a smidgen of looking) there was
a factory manual for them on-line which specified the proper gear oil to
use.

Of course the OP did not supply the model number of his so I cannot
provide a link to the specific "trommel" he is using.

I must remind you that it's not fair to use
actual facts on this list.


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On 01/04/2014 11:30 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 1/4/2014 12:10 PM, philo wrote:

I Googled for "trommel" and found (with a smidgen of looking) there was
a factory manual for them on-line which specified the proper gear oil to
use.

Of course the OP did not supply the model number of his so I cannot
provide a link to the specific "trommel" he is using.

I must remind you that it's not fair to use
actual facts on this list.





Excellent point.

I was not trying to denigrate the OP but without giving the model number
of his equipment he has no chance of getting more than a guess for an
answer.

I am pretty sure it was mentioned to him that 30 weight (though better
than nothing) is probably too light and that 80 -90 wt oil would
probably be in order.

OTOH: those trommels can vary /considerably/ in size.

On 1/4/2014 12:40 PM, philo wrote:
I was not trying to denigrate the OP but without giving the model number
of his equipment he has no chance of getting more than a guess for an
answer.

I am pretty sure it was mentioned to him that 30 weight (though better
than nothing) is probably too light and that 80 -90 wt oil would
probably be in order.

OTOH: those trommels can vary /considerably/ in size.

When I got a general idea what a trommel is,
my first thought was hypoid gear oil, loaded
into the gearbox with a hypoidermic syringe.
I guess no one thought "that" was funny the
first time, either.

You're kind to have gone through all the
trommel to look that up for someone you'd not
met.

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On Sat, 04 Jan 2014 11:40:58 -0600, philo* wrote:

On 01/04/2014 11:30 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 1/4/2014 12:10 PM, philo wrote:

I Googled for "trommel" and found (with a smidgen of looking) there was
a factory manual for them on-line which specified the proper gear oil to
use.

Of course the OP did not supply the model number of his so I cannot
provide a link to the specific "trommel" he is using.

I must remind you that it's not fair to use
actual facts on this list.





Excellent point.

I was not trying to denigrate the OP but without giving the model number
of his equipment he has no chance of getting more than a guess for an
answer.


OP did come back and say there were no markings on the gear box.

I am pretty sure it was mentioned to him that 30 weight (though better
than nothing) is probably too light and that 80 -90 wt oil would
probably be in order.


My guess, the OP needs 90 wt gear oil. As Dufas mentioned about heat
and friction on metal gears.

OTOH: those trommels can vary /considerably/ in size.

Yep.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTg9Kv9s2aI

In article ,
Stormin Mormon wrote:

On 1/4/2014 10:06 AM, Mike wrote:

But, I read about the Wizard's first rule long ago in a science fiction
book. His first rule was people are stupid. That is they will say
and/or believe anything.

You know, that really makes sense. I can agree with that.

so you're saying krwless is a wizard?

On 1/4/2014 8:42 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
In article ,
Stormin Mormon wrote:

On 1/4/2014 10:06 AM, Mike wrote:

But, I read about the Wizard's first rule long ago in a science fiction
book. His first rule was people are stupid. That is they will say
and/or believe anything.

You know, that really makes sense. I can agree with that.

so you're saying krwless is a wizard?

Ran across this on one of the threads

Predictably irrational : the hidden forces that shape our decisions
by Ariely, Dan.

Read the first few pages online and decided to just reserve the hardcopy.
Very interesting.

On 1/4/2014 12:54 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jan 2014 11:40:58 -0600, philo wrote:

On 01/04/2014 11:30 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 1/4/2014 12:10 PM, philo wrote:

I Googled for "trommel" and found (with a smidgen of looking) there was
a factory manual for them on-line which specified the proper gear oil to
use.

Of course the OP did not supply the model number of his so I cannot
provide a link to the specific "trommel" he is using.

I must remind you that it's not fair to use
actual facts on this list.





Excellent point.

I was not trying to denigrate the OP but without giving the model number
of his equipment he has no chance of getting more than a guess for an
answer.


OP did come back and say there were no markings on the gear box.

I am pretty sure it was mentioned to him that 30 weight (though better
than nothing) is probably too light and that 80 -90 wt oil would
probably be in order.


My guess, the OP needs 90 wt gear oil. As Dufas mentioned about heat
and friction on metal gears.


When I was doing work on automatic doors, the gearboxes on the swinging
doors used a light silicone oil. Instead of the expensive factory oil, I
used silicone brake fluid which was the same darn thing and I never had
a problem with it. Those door operators use an industry standard 90 volt
DC motor and those things get a real work out especially at a busy
grocery store. I worked on a lot of the old pneumatic sliders which mad
the old Star Trek sliding door sound when they operated. Those were lots
of fun. ^_^

TDD

On 1/21/2014 6:42 AM, The Daring Dufas wrote:

When I was doing work on automatic doors, the gearboxes on the swinging
doors used a light silicone oil. Instead of the expensive factory oil, I
used silicone brake fluid which was the same darn thing and I never had
a problem with it. Those door operators use an industry standard 90 volt
DC motor and those things get a real work out especially at a busy
grocery store. I worked on a lot of the old pneumatic sliders which mad
the old Star Trek sliding door sound when they operated. Those were lots
of fun. ^_^

TDD

Years ago, I read that the Trek people could not
find automatic opener fast enough to satisfy the
needs of the future generation set need. So, they
had someone off stage, pull the door open or closed
by hand. And if the door person was distracted,
there were bloopers of people walking face first
into a door that didn't open. I'd also heard that
some door companies contacted Trek crew, wanted to
know where to get those super fast, super quiet
openers.

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On Tue, 21 Jan 2014 05:42:11 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

I worked on a lot of the old pneumatic sliders which mad
the old Star Trek sliding door sound when they operated. Those were lots
of fun. ^_^

You may find this interesting.

_CES 2014: Scanadu's Real-Life Tricorder [Video]_

http://www.popsci.com/article/gadgets/ces-2014-scanadus-real-life-tricorder-video

On 1/21/2014 11:54 AM, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jan 2014 05:42:11 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

I worked on a lot of the old pneumatic sliders which mad
the old Star Trek sliding door sound when they operated. Those were lots
of fun. ^_^

You may find this interesting.

_CES 2014: Scanadu's Real-Life Tricorder [Video]_

http://www.popsci.com/article/gadgets/ces-2014-scanadus-real-life-tricorder-video


Wonder how that works? Does it need a sender, surgically implanted?


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