On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 01:14:11 +0200, nestork
wrote:


'Stormin Mormon[_10_ Wrote:
;3125079']I'd ask the counter man for a semi automatic pistol.

"Along the lines of a nineteen eleven, or a
Glock, y'know, man?"



Aren't all modern hand guns "semi-automatic" in that they fire one shot
each time you pull the trigger?

The term semi-automatic implies that the action of firing one round
loads the next.

So, I'm thinking that a revolver would also meet the definition of a
"semi-automatic pistol" in that it fires one bullet each time you pull
the trigger.

Loosely, but the term isn't used for a revolver. the technical term
is "semi-automatic pistol" or "auto-loading pistol", but it's called a
"semi-automatic".

I don't want to beat a dead horse here. If there is no word that's
meant to differentiate a hand gun that has a magazine in it's handle
from a "revolver", maybe just tell me there's no such word and I will
accept that as a valid answer.


Or, in the example provided, would Sam have to actually say: "I want a
hand gun that has a magazine in it's handle; not a revolver."?

He would say "I want to look at "semi-autos". He would most likely
tell the guy what brand, model, or caliber (or two of the three), he
wanted. "I'd like to see a Glock 17", or "Please show me a Sig 1911",
or "I'm interested in a 9mm". With some exceptions this gets the
point across.

On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 15:27:42 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 21:57:02 +0200, nestork
wrote:

Let's say Sam walks into a gun shop with the intent of buying a hand gun
that held the cartridges in a magazine which slid into the handle of the
gun.

Sam asks the nice man at the counter to show him what he has in the way
of _________s. (fill in the blank)

What would Sam ask to see if he wanted to make it clear that he was not
interested in revolvers, but only handguns that held the cartridges in a
magazine which fit inside the handle of the gun.

If there is no actual word for that kind of a hand gun, a statement
saying that there is no such dedicated word would completely answer my
question as well.

Sam would ask for a double-action "semi-automatic pistol".

The key term here is "semi-automatic pistol". Like revolvers,
semi-autos come in both single and double-action. 1911s, for example
are single-action. The Berreta 92F (Army M9) is double-action. Both
are semi-auto pistols.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-automatic_pistol

On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 21:57:02 +0200, nestork
wrote:

What would Sam ask to see if he wanted to make it clear that he was not
interested in revolvers, but only handguns that held the cartridges in a
magazine which fit inside the handle of the gun.

.... for the record, hand guns do not have "handles"!

They have Pistol grips, Handgun grips, Revolver grips.

Axes have handles. Just sayin'

On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 23:27:12 -0400, wrote:

http://hhshootingsports.com/WireShots/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/media-guide-firearms.jpg

The one on the bottom right is a flintglock.

Ya got that one right. An assault flintglock.

Thanks guys. I'd just call it a semi-automatic pistol, and that'll be good enough.

On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 06:15:15 +0200, nestork
wrote:

Thanks guys. I'd just call it a semi-automatic pistol, and that'll be
good enough.

Remember when we talked about artillery rounds (projectiles) from a
Navy ship, about the breach loads? 16" tubes.

Those are single action G

--
Army Mechanized Infantry Artillery

On 9/22/2013 10:27 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 07:51:34 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Sat, 21 Sep 2013 19:51:41 -0400, wrote:

A fully-automatic revolver?

Journalist's Guides:

http://hhshootingsports.com/WireShots/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/media-guide-firearms.jpg


The one on the bottom right is a flintglock.

http://politicalarenadotorg.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/media-guide-to-the-ar15.jpg



http://www.conservativefiringline.com/tutorial-how-to-tell-the-difference-between-a-glock-and-a-half-eaten-pop-tart/


The "Flintglock" is the original, very rare and quite valuable. A few
have been excavated by archeologists working dig sites once occupied by
Cavebillies but they are hard to find even at museums. ^_^

TDD

On 9/22/2013 10:33 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 10:13:37 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 9/22/2013 9:36 AM, Oren wrote:
On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 07:23:02 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 9/22/2013 12:35 AM, nestork wrote:
Just for my own understanding:

A "revolver" by definition has to have a cylinder that houses the
bullets, and that cylinder rotates to bring each bullet into alignment
with the barrel.

So the following would be a revolver:
http://tinyurl.com/nszqul6

Is there a special name for a hand gun that carries it's bullets in a
clip inside the handle, like this:

http://www.motherjones.com/files/images/magazin_e.jpg

That is, is there a single word that conveys the idea that the hand gun
uses a bullet clip that fits inside it's handle?

My understanding is that revolvers typically hold 6 bullets. Is there a
"typical" number of bullets that a hand gun with a bullet clip in it's
handle would carry? Would 11 or 12 be about right?


There are some revolvers that have more than 6 cartridges and some large
caliber revolvers that I seem to recall having 5 in the cylinder. Please
use the correct terminology, it's a "magazine" not a "clip". ^_^


Colt .38 from the 1970's held only 5 cartridge rounds.

And please use "cartridge(s)" (also called a round or a shell) instead
of "bullets". The bullet is the thingy that pokes the holes, sent
forth by the propellant.


I thought "Bullet" was a movie? o_O

Do you shoot Bullits?


I've been told I probably shoot blanks. ^_^

TDD

I'd expect, due to federal regulations, that
all scary features must be removed before
displaying museum pieces. So, when displaying
a flintglock, there's not much left to put in
the display cabinet. Anyhow, that's my best
guess.

..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 9/23/2013 2:18 AM, The Daring Dufas wrote:

http://hhshootingsports.com/WireShots/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/media-guide-firearms.jpg



The one on the bottom right is a flintglock.

http://politicalarenadotorg.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/media-guide-to-the-ar15.jpg




http://www.conservativefiringline.com/tutorial-how-to-tell-the-difference-between-a-glock-and-a-half-eaten-pop-tart/



The "Flintglock" is the original, very rare and quite valuable. A few
have been excavated by archeologists working dig sites once occupied by
Cavebillies but they are hard to find even at museums. ^_^

TDD

On 9/23/2013 6:07 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
I'd expect, due to federal regulations, that
all scary features must be removed before
displaying museum pieces. So, when displaying
a flintglock, there's not much left to put in
the display cabinet. Anyhow, that's my best
guess.

The curators at the museums don't put the actual Flintglock on display,
they are replicas made from molds of the originals with some of the
scarier parts removed such as the telescopic sight. Like history,
historical items must also be revised to protect the delicate minds of
the children. It's for the children. o_O

TDD

On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 21:33:40 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 06:15:15 +0200, nestork
wrote:

Thanks guys. I'd just call it a semi-automatic pistol, and that'll be
good enough.

Remember when we talked about artillery rounds (projectiles) from a
Navy ship, about the breach loads? 16" tubes.

Those are single action G

I didn't think they even had a hammer.

On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 13:20:55 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 21:33:40 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 06:15:15 +0200, nestork
wrote:

Thanks guys. I'd just call it a semi-automatic pistol, and that'll be
good enough.

Remember when we talked about artillery rounds (projectiles) from a
Navy ship, about the breach loads? 16" tubes.

Those are single action G

I didn't think they even had a hammer.

Been years since I fired a 155Mm Howitzer (8"). It had a primer loaded
in the breach and one good yank on the lanyard. Primer was struck by
the firing pin in the breach.

http://www.soldusa.com/rainworx/uploaded/radF5D88DSC_0176.JPG

In ,
Oren belched:
On Sat, 21 Sep 2013 19:51:52 -0500, "ChairMan"
wrote:

I have one, its not an AR but....
http://www.taurususa.com/video-theJudge.cfm

I would not bet my life on one at a distance. For the price ($550.00
at Bass Pro) I can get (have) a more affective weapon - beyond ten
feet.

A friend took one on a partial trade in lieu of cash. The Judge would
be good if you want to get close enough and stuff the barrel in the
mouth of a bandit.

Not me. Distance gives an advantage

Very true, not worth a **** at distance, but for home defense in a hallway,
a different story.
Just stick your hand out the doorway and point and clickg

On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 16:47:14 -0500, "ChairMan"
wrote:

In ,
Oren belched:
On Sat, 21 Sep 2013 19:51:52 -0500, "ChairMan"
wrote:

I have one, its not an AR but....
http://www.taurususa.com/video-theJudge.cfm

I would not bet my life on one at a distance. For the price ($550.00
at Bass Pro) I can get (have) a more affective weapon - beyond ten
feet.

A friend took one on a partial trade in lieu of cash. The Judge would
be good if you want to get close enough and stuff the barrel in the
mouth of a bandit.

Not me. Distance gives an advantage

Very true, not worth a **** at distance, but for home defense in a hallway,
a different story.
Just stick your hand out the doorway and point and clickg


My friend uses .410 slugs, even comes in rifled hollow point..

http://cdn6.bulkammo.com/media/catalog/product/cache/4/image/f43c2429da6b82d27503eef61dcbb09a/4/1/410ga21-2rifledslugwinsupx-5-2.jpg

On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 19:33:28 -0500, pilgrim wrote:

Seriously, Sam should ask for an automatic pistol.

Sam should ask for a semi-auto pistol

Trivia time: There is a gadget (in this case located in the bottom of the
magazine) which pushes the bullets up so that they may be loaded into the
chamber by the bolt. This gadget is called the follower. If the follower
is not part of the "magazine" but is actually a part of the weapon, the
"magazine" is not a magazine at all. It is a clip.


The follower does not push "bullets" - it pushes the cartridges /
rounds / shells upward. A clip is not a magazine. Links were shown
here that showed the difference. The spring pushes the follower.

The wrongful media calls magazines "high capacity clips". Trust them
if you like, but they are wrong.

It is usually very hard to work this into a conversation.

I can see why! Try again.

Oh, gosh, doesn't that always come up in
daily conversation?

I had a fun time today, mentioned AC condensor cleaning.

..
Christopher A. Tackleberry
Learn about Smith and Wesson .44 mag
www.Police-Academy.org
..

On 9/23/2013 8:33 PM, pilgrim wrote:

Trivia time: There is a gadget (in this case located in the bottom of the
magazine) which pushes the bullets up so that they may be loaded into the
chamber by the bolt. This gadget is called the follower. If the follower
is not part of the "magazine" but is actually a part of the weapon, the
"magazine" is not a magazine at all. It is a clip.

It is usually very hard to work this into a conversation.

On 9/23/2013 5:02 PM, Oren wrote:
On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 16:47:14 -0500, "ChairMan"
wrote:

In ,
Oren belched:
On Sat, 21 Sep 2013 19:51:52 -0500, "ChairMan"
wrote:

I have one, its not an AR but....
http://www.taurususa.com/video-theJudge.cfm

I would not bet my life on one at a distance. For the price ($550.00
at Bass Pro) I can get (have) a more affective weapon - beyond ten
feet.

A friend took one on a partial trade in lieu of cash. The Judge would
be good if you want to get close enough and stuff the barrel in the
mouth of a bandit.

Not me. Distance gives an advantage

Very true, not worth a **** at distance, but for home defense in a hallway,
a different story.
Just stick your hand out the doorway and point and clickg


My friend uses .410 slugs, even comes in rifled hollow point..

http://cdn6.bulkammo.com/media/catalog/product/cache/4/image/f43c2429da6b82d27503eef61dcbb09a/4/1/410ga21-2rifledslugwinsupx-5-2.jpg

Like anything else, a gun is a tool. You don't use a sledgehammer to
tack up molding and you don't use a wood chisel to bust up concrete.

A Judge (or S&W's version, the Governor) makes for a nice all-purpose
home defense weapon. Wouldn't buy it for plinking nor for a sniper
weapon but...

As for accuracy... I wonder if the previous poster managed to give it a
whirl with .45LC. I'll agree than any shot shell load -- other than
buck - is going to spray and obviate the need to pray after about 20
yards unless the shooter is very lucky or the shootee has very bad luck.

Good friend has one, bought to to keep with him on the bench - he's a
judge, you see. Only problem is that his wife, who's 5' nothing and
can't weigh but 90 lbs has taken a liking to it and carries it all over
their ranch. A great snake gun and great defensive weapon.

Do some reading and find out about the lethality of buckshot (no matter
the gauge shell pushing it down range) and tell me you'd like to catch
one 50 yards out. I sure as hell wouldn't. It will leave just as bad a
"mark" coming from the lowly .410 as it will from a 12 gauge - there
just won't be as many pellets from the former seeking out your sorry ass.g

I think it was Mark Twain that said "Never trust a man who insists that there is only one correct way to spell a word."

I'm thinking that equally good advice would be to never trust a man that insists that there is only one correct meaning for a word like "bullet".

I expect that in the USA, people go into gun or sporting goods stores and ask for a "box of bullets" for such and such a gun or rifle every day of the week, are given what they want, pay for their purchase and walk out the exit door without ever being corrected on their terminology.

That's entirely because it's clear from the context of the conversation:
"Gimme a box of bullets for an AR15.
I need to go put the Fear of God into some liberals."
what the customer is wanting to purchase.

On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 08:57:43 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 05:17:50 +0200, nestork
wrote:


'Oren[_2_ Wrote:
;3125541']
The follower does not push "bullets" - it pushes the cartridges /
rounds / shells upward.


Come on Oren. You know what he meant.


No. I only know what he said. As you've stated before, people that may
not know things can learn from people that do know. The poster's
statement was wrong in two ways: about "bullets" and about a
"magazine" being a "clip". I pointed them both out.

If someone says cement instead of concrete, or calls it concrete instead
of cement, most times it's not necessary to correct them. I know what
they meant from the context of the conversation and they know what they
wanted to say.


Good for you!

How many people go to the gun or sporting goods store and ask for a "box
of bullets" for such and such a gun or rifle, pay for their purchase and
walk out the door without ever being corrected on their terminology.
Probably happens 100 times a day in every gun store or sporting goods
store that sells... ...bullets.

Giggle. I asked for a specific caliber, i.e. .45, .357, etc. and a
specific type of round - FMJ, HP.

"Remington" or "Federal". ;-)

Saying "give me a box of bullets" will require the clerk to ask
inquisitive questions. Same as if you ask a sales clerk for a dozen
donuts. Are they supposed to read your mind or know what you "meant"?

A "box of bullets", even if the caliber is specified won't get you
what you wanted. You might get asked if you want casings and primers
to go with them, though.

Same with buying paint at a local store. We don't say "give me some
paint". We ask for specific types based on our needs.

I generally specify the surface sheen and brand of paint, too.

The liberal media (spit) is full of bad information from journalist
about guns and ammo. Like calling an AR-15 a machine gun or calling a
_magazine_ a "high capacity clip."

Kinda like "automatic pistol" for a semi-automatic pistol (almost
forgivable) or "automatic rifle" for "semi-automatic rifle" (which is
a bald-faced lie).

Know what I mean?

I hope some here learn but I have a suspicion that those who really
need the education stopped listening (fingers in ears, humming loudly)
a long while back.

On 9/24/2013 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 08:57:43 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 05:17:50 +0200, nestork
wrote:


'Oren[_2_ Wrote:
;3125541']
The follower does not push "bullets" - it pushes the cartridges /
rounds / shells upward.


Come on Oren. You know what he meant.


No. I only know what he said. As you've stated before, people that may
not know things can learn from people that do know. The poster's
statement was wrong in two ways: about "bullets" and about a
"magazine" being a "clip". I pointed them both out.

If someone says cement instead of concrete, or calls it concrete instead
of cement, most times it's not necessary to correct them. I know what
they meant from the context of the conversation and they know what they
wanted to say.


Good for you!

How many people go to the gun or sporting goods store and ask for a "box
of bullets" for such and such a gun or rifle, pay for their purchase and
walk out the door without ever being corrected on their terminology.
Probably happens 100 times a day in every gun store or sporting goods
store that sells... ...bullets.

Giggle. I asked for a specific caliber, i.e. .45, .357, etc. and a
specific type of round - FMJ, HP.

"Remington" or "Federal". ;-)

Saying "give me a box of bullets" will require the clerk to ask
inquisitive questions. Same as if you ask a sales clerk for a dozen
donuts. Are they supposed to read your mind or know what you "meant"?

A "box of bullets", even if the caliber is specified won't get you
what you wanted. You might get asked if you want casings and primers
to go with them, though.

Same with buying paint at a local store. We don't say "give me some
paint". We ask for specific types based on our needs.

I generally specify the surface sheen and brand of paint, too.

The liberal media (spit) is full of bad information from journalist
about guns and ammo. Like calling an AR-15 a machine gun or calling a
_magazine_ a "high capacity clip."

Kinda like "automatic pistol" for a semi-automatic pistol (almost
forgivable) or "automatic rifle" for "semi-automatic rifle" (which is
a bald-faced lie).

Know what I mean?

I hope some here learn but I have a suspicion that those who really
need the education stopped listening (fingers in ears, humming loudly)
a long while back.


Some people always go off half cocked. ^_^

TDD

On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 13:11:33 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 9/24/2013 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 08:57:43 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 05:17:50 +0200, nestork
wrote:


'Oren[_2_ Wrote:
;3125541']
The follower does not push "bullets" - it pushes the cartridges /
rounds / shells upward.


Come on Oren. You know what he meant.


No. I only know what he said. As you've stated before, people that may
not know things can learn from people that do know. The poster's
statement was wrong in two ways: about "bullets" and about a
"magazine" being a "clip". I pointed them both out.

If someone says cement instead of concrete, or calls it concrete instead
of cement, most times it's not necessary to correct them. I know what
they meant from the context of the conversation and they know what they
wanted to say.


Good for you!

How many people go to the gun or sporting goods store and ask for a "box
of bullets" for such and such a gun or rifle, pay for their purchase and
walk out the door without ever being corrected on their terminology.
Probably happens 100 times a day in every gun store or sporting goods
store that sells... ...bullets.

Giggle. I asked for a specific caliber, i.e. .45, .357, etc. and a
specific type of round - FMJ, HP.

"Remington" or "Federal". ;-)

Saying "give me a box of bullets" will require the clerk to ask
inquisitive questions. Same as if you ask a sales clerk for a dozen
donuts. Are they supposed to read your mind or know what you "meant"?

A "box of bullets", even if the caliber is specified won't get you
what you wanted. You might get asked if you want casings and primers
to go with them, though.

Same with buying paint at a local store. We don't say "give me some
paint". We ask for specific types based on our needs.

I generally specify the surface sheen and brand of paint, too.

The liberal media (spit) is full of bad information from journalist
about guns and ammo. Like calling an AR-15 a machine gun or calling a
_magazine_ a "high capacity clip."

Kinda like "automatic pistol" for a semi-automatic pistol (almost
forgivable) or "automatic rifle" for "semi-automatic rifle" (which is
a bald-faced lie).

Know what I mean?

I hope some here learn but I have a suspicion that those who really
need the education stopped listening (fingers in ears, humming loudly)
a long while back.


Some people always go off half cocked. ^_^

TDD

.... and some don't know you can buy a .243 M-16 round (or other
rounds) that doesn't have a "bullet".

Those folks are just shooting blanks.

On 9/24/2013 2:04 PM, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 13:11:33 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 9/24/2013 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 08:57:43 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 05:17:50 +0200, nestork
wrote:


'Oren[_2_ Wrote:
;3125541']
The follower does not push "bullets" - it pushes the cartridges /
rounds / shells upward.


Come on Oren. You know what he meant.


No. I only know what he said. As you've stated before, people that may
not know things can learn from people that do know. The poster's
statement was wrong in two ways: about "bullets" and about a
"magazine" being a "clip". I pointed them both out.

If someone says cement instead of concrete, or calls it concrete instead
of cement, most times it's not necessary to correct them. I know what
they meant from the context of the conversation and they know what they
wanted to say.


Good for you!

How many people go to the gun or sporting goods store and ask for a "box
of bullets" for such and such a gun or rifle, pay for their purchase and
walk out the door without ever being corrected on their terminology.
Probably happens 100 times a day in every gun store or sporting goods
store that sells... ...bullets.

Giggle. I asked for a specific caliber, i.e. .45, .357, etc. and a
specific type of round - FMJ, HP.

"Remington" or "Federal". ;-)

Saying "give me a box of bullets" will require the clerk to ask
inquisitive questions. Same as if you ask a sales clerk for a dozen
donuts. Are they supposed to read your mind or know what you "meant"?

A "box of bullets", even if the caliber is specified won't get you
what you wanted. You might get asked if you want casings and primers
to go with them, though.

Same with buying paint at a local store. We don't say "give me some
paint". We ask for specific types based on our needs.

I generally specify the surface sheen and brand of paint, too.

The liberal media (spit) is full of bad information from journalist
about guns and ammo. Like calling an AR-15 a machine gun or calling a
_magazine_ a "high capacity clip."

Kinda like "automatic pistol" for a semi-automatic pistol (almost
forgivable) or "automatic rifle" for "semi-automatic rifle" (which is
a bald-faced lie).

Know what I mean?

I hope some here learn but I have a suspicion that those who really
need the education stopped listening (fingers in ears, humming loudly)
a long while back.


Some people always go off half cocked. ^_^

TDD

... and some don't know you can buy a .243 M-16 round (or other
rounds) that doesn't have a "bullet".

Those folks are just shooting blanks.


Um, I suppose I may be one of those folks. I thought the caliber was
..223 for the M-16 unless, of course you can change the barrel and other
parts that would allow it. I've never fired an M-16 or AR-15, the only
rifle using a .223 caliber I've fired has been the HK93 which I would
love to own. O_o

TDD

On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 14:51:44 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 9/24/2013 2:04 PM, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 13:11:33 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 9/24/2013 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 08:57:43 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 05:17:50 +0200, nestork
wrote:


'Oren[_2_ Wrote:
;3125541']
The follower does not push "bullets" - it pushes the cartridges /
rounds / shells upward.


Come on Oren. You know what he meant.


No. I only know what he said. As you've stated before, people that may
not know things can learn from people that do know. The poster's
statement was wrong in two ways: about "bullets" and about a
"magazine" being a "clip". I pointed them both out.

If someone says cement instead of concrete, or calls it concrete instead
of cement, most times it's not necessary to correct them. I know what
they meant from the context of the conversation and they know what they
wanted to say.


Good for you!

How many people go to the gun or sporting goods store and ask for a "box
of bullets" for such and such a gun or rifle, pay for their purchase and
walk out the door without ever being corrected on their terminology.
Probably happens 100 times a day in every gun store or sporting goods
store that sells... ...bullets.

Giggle. I asked for a specific caliber, i.e. .45, .357, etc. and a
specific type of round - FMJ, HP.

"Remington" or "Federal". ;-)

Saying "give me a box of bullets" will require the clerk to ask
inquisitive questions. Same as if you ask a sales clerk for a dozen
donuts. Are they supposed to read your mind or know what you "meant"?

A "box of bullets", even if the caliber is specified won't get you
what you wanted. You might get asked if you want casings and primers
to go with them, though.

Same with buying paint at a local store. We don't say "give me some
paint". We ask for specific types based on our needs.

I generally specify the surface sheen and brand of paint, too.

The liberal media (spit) is full of bad information from journalist
about guns and ammo. Like calling an AR-15 a machine gun or calling a
_magazine_ a "high capacity clip."

Kinda like "automatic pistol" for a semi-automatic pistol (almost
forgivable) or "automatic rifle" for "semi-automatic rifle" (which is
a bald-faced lie).

Know what I mean?

I hope some here learn but I have a suspicion that those who really
need the education stopped listening (fingers in ears, humming loudly)
a long while back.


Some people always go off half cocked. ^_^

TDD

... and some don't know you can buy a .243 M-16 round (or other
rounds) that doesn't have a "bullet".

Those folks are just shooting blanks.


Um, I suppose I may be one of those folks. I thought the caliber was
.223 for the M-16 unless, of course you can change the barrel and other
parts that would allow it. I've never fired an M-16 or AR-15, the only
rifle using a .223 caliber I've fired has been the HK93 which I would
love to own. O_o

TDD

Good catch. I _should_ have typed.223 , not .243.

Rounds can be bought in .223 that have no bullet.

On 9/24/2013 3:11 PM, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 14:51:44 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 9/24/2013 2:04 PM, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 13:11:33 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 9/24/2013 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 08:57:43 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 05:17:50 +0200, nestork
wrote:


'Oren[_2_ Wrote:
;3125541']
The follower does not push "bullets" - it pushes the cartridges /
rounds / shells upward.


Come on Oren. You know what he meant.


No. I only know what he said. As you've stated before, people that may
not know things can learn from people that do know. The poster's
statement was wrong in two ways: about "bullets" and about a
"magazine" being a "clip". I pointed them both out.

If someone says cement instead of concrete, or calls it concrete instead
of cement, most times it's not necessary to correct them. I know what
they meant from the context of the conversation and they know what they
wanted to say.


Good for you!

How many people go to the gun or sporting goods store and ask for a "box
of bullets" for such and such a gun or rifle, pay for their purchase and
walk out the door without ever being corrected on their terminology.
Probably happens 100 times a day in every gun store or sporting goods
store that sells... ...bullets.

Giggle. I asked for a specific caliber, i.e. .45, .357, etc. and a
specific type of round - FMJ, HP.

"Remington" or "Federal". ;-)

Saying "give me a box of bullets" will require the clerk to ask
inquisitive questions. Same as if you ask a sales clerk for a dozen
donuts. Are they supposed to read your mind or know what you "meant"?

A "box of bullets", even if the caliber is specified won't get you
what you wanted. You might get asked if you want casings and primers
to go with them, though.

Same with buying paint at a local store. We don't say "give me some
paint". We ask for specific types based on our needs.

I generally specify the surface sheen and brand of paint, too.

The liberal media (spit) is full of bad information from journalist
about guns and ammo. Like calling an AR-15 a machine gun or calling a
_magazine_ a "high capacity clip."

Kinda like "automatic pistol" for a semi-automatic pistol (almost
forgivable) or "automatic rifle" for "semi-automatic rifle" (which is
a bald-faced lie).

Know what I mean?

I hope some here learn but I have a suspicion that those who really
need the education stopped listening (fingers in ears, humming loudly)
a long while back.


Some people always go off half cocked. ^_^

TDD

... and some don't know you can buy a .243 M-16 round (or other
rounds) that doesn't have a "bullet".

Those folks are just shooting blanks.


Um, I suppose I may be one of those folks. I thought the caliber was
.223 for the M-16 unless, of course you can change the barrel and other
parts that would allow it. I've never fired an M-16 or AR-15, the only
rifle using a .223 caliber I've fired has been the HK93 which I would
love to own. O_o

TDD

Good catch. I _should_ have typed.223 , not .243.

Rounds can be bought in .223 that have no bullet.


Disabled rounds, we should have compassion for bulletless rounds but
right now, on a way to accomplish this, I'm drawing a blank. It can
put a crimp in your throat just thinking about it. o_O

TDD

On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 12:04:28 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 13:11:33 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 9/24/2013 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 08:57:43 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 05:17:50 +0200, nestork
wrote:


'Oren[_2_ Wrote:
;3125541']
The follower does not push "bullets" - it pushes the cartridges /
rounds / shells upward.


Come on Oren. You know what he meant.


No. I only know what he said. As you've stated before, people that may
not know things can learn from people that do know. The poster's
statement was wrong in two ways: about "bullets" and about a
"magazine" being a "clip". I pointed them both out.

If someone says cement instead of concrete, or calls it concrete instead
of cement, most times it's not necessary to correct them. I know what
they meant from the context of the conversation and they know what they
wanted to say.


Good for you!

How many people go to the gun or sporting goods store and ask for a "box
of bullets" for such and such a gun or rifle, pay for their purchase and
walk out the door without ever being corrected on their terminology.
Probably happens 100 times a day in every gun store or sporting goods
store that sells... ...bullets.

Giggle. I asked for a specific caliber, i.e. .45, .357, etc. and a
specific type of round - FMJ, HP.

"Remington" or "Federal". ;-)

Saying "give me a box of bullets" will require the clerk to ask
inquisitive questions. Same as if you ask a sales clerk for a dozen
donuts. Are they supposed to read your mind or know what you "meant"?

A "box of bullets", even if the caliber is specified won't get you
what you wanted. You might get asked if you want casings and primers
to go with them, though.

Same with buying paint at a local store. We don't say "give me some
paint". We ask for specific types based on our needs.

I generally specify the surface sheen and brand of paint, too.

The liberal media (spit) is full of bad information from journalist
about guns and ammo. Like calling an AR-15 a machine gun or calling a
_magazine_ a "high capacity clip."

Kinda like "automatic pistol" for a semi-automatic pistol (almost
forgivable) or "automatic rifle" for "semi-automatic rifle" (which is
a bald-faced lie).

Know what I mean?

I hope some here learn but I have a suspicion that those who really
need the education stopped listening (fingers in ears, humming loudly)
a long while back.


Some people always go off half cocked. ^_^

TDD

... and some don't know you can buy a .243 M-16 round (or other
rounds) that doesn't have a "bullet".

Those folks are just shooting blank

Yes, some people are ball-less.

On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 15:47:21 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 9/24/2013 3:11 PM, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 14:51:44 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 9/24/2013 2:04 PM, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 13:11:33 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 9/24/2013 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 08:57:43 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 05:17:50 +0200, nestork
wrote:


'Oren[_2_ Wrote:
;3125541']
The follower does not push "bullets" - it pushes the cartridges /
rounds / shells upward.


Come on Oren. You know what he meant.


No. I only know what he said. As you've stated before, people that may
not know things can learn from people that do know. The poster's
statement was wrong in two ways: about "bullets" and about a
"magazine" being a "clip". I pointed them both out.

If someone says cement instead of concrete, or calls it concrete instead
of cement, most times it's not necessary to correct them. I know what
they meant from the context of the conversation and they know what they
wanted to say.


Good for you!

How many people go to the gun or sporting goods store and ask for a "box
of bullets" for such and such a gun or rifle, pay for their purchase and
walk out the door without ever being corrected on their terminology.
Probably happens 100 times a day in every gun store or sporting goods
store that sells... ...bullets.

Giggle. I asked for a specific caliber, i.e. .45, .357, etc. and a
specific type of round - FMJ, HP.

"Remington" or "Federal". ;-)

Saying "give me a box of bullets" will require the clerk to ask
inquisitive questions. Same as if you ask a sales clerk for a dozen
donuts. Are they supposed to read your mind or know what you "meant"?

A "box of bullets", even if the caliber is specified won't get you
what you wanted. You might get asked if you want casings and primers
to go with them, though.

Same with buying paint at a local store. We don't say "give me some
paint". We ask for specific types based on our needs.

I generally specify the surface sheen and brand of paint, too.

The liberal media (spit) is full of bad information from journalist
about guns and ammo. Like calling an AR-15 a machine gun or calling a
_magazine_ a "high capacity clip."

Kinda like "automatic pistol" for a semi-automatic pistol (almost
forgivable) or "automatic rifle" for "semi-automatic rifle" (which is
a bald-faced lie).

Know what I mean?

I hope some here learn but I have a suspicion that those who really
need the education stopped listening (fingers in ears, humming loudly)
a long while back.


Some people always go off half cocked. ^_^

TDD

... and some don't know you can buy a .243 M-16 round (or other
rounds) that doesn't have a "bullet".

Those folks are just shooting blanks.


Um, I suppose I may be one of those folks. I thought the caliber was
.223 for the M-16 unless, of course you can change the barrel and other
parts that would allow it. I've never fired an M-16 or AR-15, the only
rifle using a .223 caliber I've fired has been the HK93 which I would
love to own. O_o

TDD

Good catch. I _should_ have typed.223 , not .243.

Rounds can be bought in .223 that have no bullet.


Disabled rounds, we should have compassion for bulletless rounds but
right now, on a way to accomplish this, I'm drawing a blank. It can
put a crimp in your throat just thinking about it. o_O

s/disabled/target impaired/

Remember your hat, gloves, and full metal
jacket before you go out to the war. And
if it gets bad, call and Mom and I will
pick you up.

..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 9/24/2013 7:07 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 12:04:28 -0700, Oren wrote:


... and some don't know you can buy a .243 M-16 round (or other
rounds) that doesn't have a "bullet".

Those folks are just shooting blank

Yes, some people are ball-less.