Saw these in Target as I hit the fourth and last store in my area trying
to score some cheap Duraloops.

http://www.energizer.com/batteries/r...s/Pages/d.aspx

Seriously? a 2500 mAh NiMH D cell? So you want me to pay the same price
for a 2-pack of fake ass D cells as I would for a GOOD pack of 4 AAs
that each have almost the same capacity? Are you HIGH?

But wait, there's more

http://www.energizer.com/batteries/r...s/Pages/c.aspx

they come in C cell size too! Oh joy!

I mean, really. It's not that they managed to put out a *bad* cell, to
make one this pathetic takes real effort. It's like they're just saying
"**** you, consumers, we want to sell you our (admittedly excellent)
lithium primaries, so we're going to make our rechargeables suck so much
dong that if you're dumb enough to actually buy them the taste in your
mouth will be literally like kissing your crazy bipolar ex-girlfriend,
but without any of the good parts."

And *good* brands like Eneloop, Maha Imedion, and Tenergy Centura are
nowhere to be seen on your average store's shelves. (Notable exception:
I have seen Tenergy Centuras in C, D, and 9V - but not in AA or AAA - on
the shelf at Micro Center.)

Am I alone in being insulted by this?

On 08/30/2013 03:27 PM, Nate Nagel wrote:
Saw these in Target as I hit the fourth and last store in my area trying
to score some cheap Duraloops.
[snip]

So did you find them?

Jon

On 8/30/2013 7:49 PM, Jon Danniken wrote:
On 08/30/2013 03:27 PM, Nate Nagel wrote:
Saw these in Target as I hit the fourth and last store in my area trying
to score some cheap Duraloops.
[snip]

So did you find them?

Jon


Sorta. Out of four stores I managed to get two 4-packs of AAAs. Three
of four stores didn't have any at all. In a way I'm happy, because I
really needed some AAA cells. Sad because at $3.65/4-pack I would have
gone full prepper and gladly cleaned out whatever they had. At that
price I could have justified buying a boatload of cells and getting some
eBay 3xAA to D and 4xAAA to C cell adapters and finally converting
*everything* over to NiMH.

If you have a Target nearby check 'em out. (you can stop reading now if
you already knew what I was talking about.) "Duraloop" is a nickname
that came from Candlepowerforums I think for Duracell low self discharge
NiMH rechargeable cells that were actually made by Sanyo and are
functionally indistinguishable from Eneloops. Apparently Duracell has
introduced a new rechargeable cell and so Target is unloading the old
stock at a screaming discount. It wasn't advertised, they were still
labeled at about $12 but scanning under the price checker revealed that
yes they were on sale for $3.65.

Identifying the elusive Duraloop - they will say "Precharged" or
"Staycharged" on the package, will be rated at 2000 mAh for the AAs and
800 mAh for the AAAs, will be made in Japan, and most importantly will
have a WHITE top on the positive end. There may be black or grey top
cells with the exact same part number, but they're not the same and
legend has it that they're inferior.

These are the first I've had; Target's regular price on these is higher
than I can get real Sanyo Eneloops shipped either from Amazon or on eBay
- if you look around you can probably get them for about $20/8.
(actually the eBay seller that I got my last batch from had Eneloops
with a more recent production date than Amazon's source.) But I've got
the first four running a break-in cycle on my charger now and they've
already charged and discharged once, only one cell was under its rated
800 mAh and that not by much, and these were dated 2009 (!) so they sure
do seem like they might be the real deal.

I think either Staples or OfficeMax sold Duracell rechargeables too, if
I end up driving by one tomorrow I should see if they have a similar
closeout, and still have any white-tops...

nate

I've heard the Japan white tops were better.

If you're using AA cells, please consider Powergenix. Only
available in AA, and they don't do deep discharge very well.
But, they have a higher 1.6 volt full charge. I used them
for a while in my mini mag with Teralux bulb module. Also
used them in my digital camera. Went back to low discharge
NiMH for those. I still use Powergenix in my computer
speaker.

..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 8/30/2013 8:30 PM, Nate Nagel wrote:

Sorta. Out of four stores I managed to get two 4-packs of AAAs. Three
of four stores didn't have any at all. In a way I'm happy, because I
really needed some AAA cells. Sad because at $3.65/4-pack I would have
gone full prepper and gladly cleaned out whatever they had. At that
price I could have justified buying a boatload of cells and getting some
eBay 3xAA to D and 4xAAA to C cell adapters and finally converting
*everything* over to NiMH.

If you have a Target nearby check 'em out. (you can stop reading now if
you already knew what I was talking about.) "Duraloop" is a nickname
that came from Candlepowerforums I think for Duracell low self discharge
NiMH rechargeable cells that were actually made by Sanyo and are
functionally indistinguishable from Eneloops. Apparently Duracell has
introduced a new rechargeable cell and so Target is unloading the old
stock at a screaming discount. It wasn't advertised, they were still
labeled at about $12 but scanning under the price checker revealed that
yes they were on sale for $3.65.

Identifying the elusive Duraloop - they will say "Precharged" or
"Staycharged" on the package, will be rated at 2000 mAh for the AAs and
800 mAh for the AAAs, will be made in Japan, and most importantly will
have a WHITE top on the positive end. There may be black or grey top
cells with the exact same part number, but they're not the same and
legend has it that they're inferior.

These are the first I've had; Target's regular price on these is higher
than I can get real Sanyo Eneloops shipped either from Amazon or on eBay
- if you look around you can probably get them for about $20/8.
(actually the eBay seller that I got my last batch from had Eneloops
with a more recent production date than Amazon's source.) But I've got
the first four running a break-in cycle on my charger now and they've
already charged and discharged once, only one cell was under its rated
800 mAh and that not by much, and these were dated 2009 (!) so they sure
do seem like they might be the real deal.

I think either Staples or OfficeMax sold Duracell rechargeables too, if
I end up driving by one tomorrow I should see if they have a similar
closeout, and still have any white-tops...

nate

On 08/30/2013 05:30 PM, Nate Nagel wrote:
On 8/30/2013 7:49 PM, Jon Danniken wrote:
On 08/30/2013 03:27 PM, Nate Nagel wrote:
Saw these in Target as I hit the fourth and last store in my area trying
to score some cheap Duraloops.
[snip]

So did you find them?

Jon


Sorta. Out of four stores I managed to get two 4-packs of AAAs. Three
of four stores didn't have any at all. In a way I'm happy, because I
really needed some AAA cells. Sad because at $3.65/4-pack I would have
gone full prepper and gladly cleaned out whatever they had. At that
price I could have justified buying a boatload of cells and getting some
eBay 3xAA to D and 4xAAA to C cell adapters and finally converting
*everything* over to NiMH.

Damn that is cheap. Thanks for the head's up, I'll check my local
Target tomorrow and see if I can get lucky.

Jon

On 8/30/2013 5:27 PM, Nate Nagel wrote:
Saw these in Target as I hit the fourth and last store in my area trying
to score some cheap Duraloops.

http://www.energizer.com/batteries/r...s/Pages/d.aspx

Seriously? a 2500 mAh NiMH D cell? So you want me to pay the same price
for a 2-pack of fake ass D cells as I would for a GOOD pack of 4 AAs
that each have almost the same capacity? Are you HIGH?

But wait, there's more

http://www.energizer.com/batteries/r...s/Pages/c.aspx

they come in C cell size too! Oh joy!

I mean, really. It's not that they managed to put out a *bad* cell, to
make one this pathetic takes real effort. It's like they're just saying
"**** you, consumers, we want to sell you our (admittedly excellent)
lithium primaries, so we're going to make our rechargeables suck so much
dong that if you're dumb enough to actually buy them the taste in your
mouth will be literally like kissing your crazy bipolar ex-girlfriend,
but without any of the good parts."

And *good* brands like Eneloop, Maha Imedion, and Tenergy Centura are
nowhere to be seen on your average store's shelves. (Notable exception:
I have seen Tenergy Centuras in C, D, and 9V - but not in AA or AAA - on
the shelf at Micro Center.)

Am I alone in being insulted by this?

I order batteries from "http://www.batteryjunction.com/" and they have
Eneloop, Panasonic Evolta and Tenergy Centura. They don't have Maha
Imedion batteries. I pick up cheep alkaline batteries at Family Dollar
but order other types of batteries online because I have trouble walking
for miles in gigantic retail stores. I purchase the inexpensive alkaline
batteries because I go through a lot of them in test gear on jobs so I
can afford to carry several sets for all the gear and not have to worry
about rechargeable batteries running out of juice in the middle of a
job. I do have NiMh cells in my digital camera with the alkaline cells
as backup. We must take pictures of the work and upload them to the
corporate website so I gotta have batteries. Me and JH finished up
installation of a phone system today and each phone needed a 9 volt
battery. Guess which brand of battery the phones got? O_o

I looked up those Maha Imedion batteries on Amazon, Oh my God! Those
things are fracking expensive! _

TDD

On 8/30/2013 10:28 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:


I order batteries from "http://www.batteryjunction.com/" and they have
Eneloop, Panasonic Evolta and Tenergy Centura. They don't have Maha
Imedion batteries. I pick up cheep alkaline batteries at Family Dollar

Some people think the cheep alkaline batteries I buy are for the birds
but those inexpensive batteries always work for me because I'm cheap. ^_^

TDD

On 8/31/2013 9:16 AM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 8/30/2013 10:28 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:


I order batteries from "http://www.batteryjunction.com/" and they have
Eneloop, Panasonic Evolta and Tenergy Centura. They don't have Maha
Imedion batteries. I pick up cheep alkaline batteries at Family Dollar

Some people think the cheep alkaline batteries I buy are for the birds
but those inexpensive batteries always work for me because I'm cheap. ^_^

TDD


They're still probably cost effective, but I've had several different
alkalines leak on me in the past year, I'm done with them!

nate

On 8/31/2013 9:21 AM, Nate Nagel wrote:
On 8/31/2013 9:16 AM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 8/30/2013 10:28 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:


I order batteries from "http://www.batteryjunction.com/" and they have
Eneloop, Panasonic Evolta and Tenergy Centura. They don't have Maha
Imedion batteries. I pick up cheep alkaline batteries at Family Dollar

Some people think the cheep alkaline batteries I buy are for the birds
but those inexpensive batteries always work for me because I'm cheap. ^_^

TDD


They're still probably cost effective, but I've had several different
alkalines leak on me in the past year, I'm done with them!

nate


My strategy is not to leave batteries in gear long enough for them to
leak. I keep a zip-lock bag in the equipment case and remove the
batteries then put them in the bag when I know I won't use it for a
while. I learned this after some expensive meters were damaged by
leaking batteries. You did notice "cheep and cheap"? Spell checkers
can't do it all, one must use his brain sometimes. ^_^

TDD

On Sat, 31 Aug 2013 10:21:04 -0400, Nate Nagel
wrote:

On 8/31/2013 9:16 AM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 8/30/2013 10:28 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:


I order batteries from "http://www.batteryjunction.com/" and they have
Eneloop, Panasonic Evolta and Tenergy Centura. They don't have Maha
Imedion batteries. I pick up cheep alkaline batteries at Family Dollar

Some people think the cheep alkaline batteries I buy are for the birds
but those inexpensive batteries always work for me because I'm cheap. ^_^

TDD


They're still probably cost effective, but I've had several different
alkalines leak on me in the past year, I'm done with them!

The trick with alkalines is to replace them before they're dead. Cheap
alkalines are the way to go but if you're going to leave them
installed until they leak, get bunnies or copper ones. They'll
replace the widget. ...or so I'm told. I use the $.20 variety from
the Borg.

On 8/30/2013 8:28 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:

I order batteries from "http://www.batteryjunction.com/" and they have
Eneloop, Panasonic Evolta and Tenergy Centura. They don't have Maha
Imedion batteries.

Costco sells Eneloops in AA and AAA bundles, which vary over time.
Sometimes they have a charger bundled in, sometimes they don't,
occasionally they'll have both with and without a charger.

Most big box stores just sell whatever has the highest margins because
they know that most people are not experts in choosing rechargeable
batteries. How many people do you think understand the difference
between low-self-discharge NiMH cells and regular NiMH cells and why
it's not always better to choose the low self-discharge batteries?

I'll often buy from http://www.all-battery.com/ because they are close
to me and I can do will-call. They are a Tenergy reseller and carry both
the low-self-discharge and regular Tenergy cells, and not just in AA and
AAA sizes. I don't think that Sanyo even makes C and D eneloops. The
Tenergy low-self-discharge are typically 20% less capacity than their
non-low-self-discharge cells.

People are using a lot fewer C & D cells then in the past. LED
flashlights use a lot less power than incandescent flashlights so
there's less of a need for larger capacity C & D cells.

On 8/31/2013 8:54 PM, sms wrote:
On 8/30/2013 8:28 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:

I order batteries from "http://www.batteryjunction.com/" and they have
Eneloop, Panasonic Evolta and Tenergy Centura. They don't have Maha
Imedion batteries.

Costco sells Eneloops in AA and AAA bundles, which vary over time.
Sometimes they have a charger bundled in, sometimes they don't,
occasionally they'll have both with and without a charger.

Most big box stores just sell whatever has the highest margins because
they know that most people are not experts in choosing rechargeable
batteries. How many people do you think understand the difference
between low-self-discharge NiMH cells and regular NiMH cells and why
it's not always better to choose the low self-discharge batteries?

I'll often buy from http://www.all-battery.com/ because they are close
to me and I can do will-call. They are a Tenergy reseller and carry both
the low-self-discharge and regular Tenergy cells, and not just in AA and
AAA sizes. I don't think that Sanyo even makes C and D eneloops. The
Tenergy low-self-discharge are typically 20% less capacity than their
non-low-self-discharge cells.

People are using a lot fewer C & D cells then in the past. LED
flashlights use a lot less power than incandescent flashlights so
there's less of a need for larger capacity C & D cells.


My D cell flashlights converted to LED last so much longer and are often
much brighter. I have a D cell Maglite as long as my forearm that will
produce a lot of light for a very long time with the LED conversion and
doesn't need batteries as often. You can still use it to crack someone's
head open without any concern that it will knock out the bulb. ^_^

I do online ordering not because I'm lazy but because it's hard for me
to walk around a big box store. I try to go the little places to buy
just about anything because I don't have to walk so far but I'm getting
stronger and my visiting nurse yells at me for exerting myself. ^_^

TDD

The Daring Dufas posted for all of us...

And I know how to SNIP


On 8/31/2013 8:54 PM, sms wrote:
On 8/30/2013 8:28 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:

I order batteries from "http://www.batteryjunction.com/" and they have
Eneloop, Panasonic Evolta and Tenergy Centura. They don't have Maha
Imedion batteries.

Costco sells Eneloops in AA and AAA bundles, which vary over time.
Sometimes they have a charger bundled in, sometimes they don't,
occasionally they'll have both with and without a charger.

Most big box stores just sell whatever has the highest margins because
they know that most people are not experts in choosing rechargeable
batteries. How many people do you think understand the difference
between low-self-discharge NiMH cells and regular NiMH cells and why
it's not always better to choose the low self-discharge batteries?

I'll often buy from http://www.all-battery.com/ because they are close
to me and I can do will-call. They are a Tenergy reseller and carry both
the low-self-discharge and regular Tenergy cells, and not just in AA and
AAA sizes. I don't think that Sanyo even makes C and D eneloops. The
Tenergy low-self-discharge are typically 20% less capacity than their
non-low-self-discharge cells.

People are using a lot fewer C & D cells then in the past. LED
flashlights use a lot less power than incandescent flashlights so
there's less of a need for larger capacity C & D cells.


My D cell flashlights converted to LED last so much longer and are often
much brighter. I have a D cell Maglite as long as my forearm that will

TDD

You certainly do know how to strengthen your
forearm... Take a whack at it now!

--
Tekkie

On 9/2/2013 2:24 PM, Tekkie® wrote:
The Daring Dufas posted for all of us...

And I know how to SNIP


On 8/31/2013 8:54 PM, sms wrote:
On 8/30/2013 8:28 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:

I order batteries from "http://www.batteryjunction.com/" and they have
Eneloop, Panasonic Evolta and Tenergy Centura. They don't have Maha
Imedion batteries.

Costco sells Eneloops in AA and AAA bundles, which vary over time.
Sometimes they have a charger bundled in, sometimes they don't,
occasionally they'll have both with and without a charger.

Most big box stores just sell whatever has the highest margins because
they know that most people are not experts in choosing rechargeable
batteries. How many people do you think understand the difference
between low-self-discharge NiMH cells and regular NiMH cells and why
it's not always better to choose the low self-discharge batteries?

I'll often buy from http://www.all-battery.com/ because they are close
to me and I can do will-call. They are a Tenergy reseller and carry both
the low-self-discharge and regular Tenergy cells, and not just in AA and
AAA sizes. I don't think that Sanyo even makes C and D eneloops. The
Tenergy low-self-discharge are typically 20% less capacity than their
non-low-self-discharge cells.

People are using a lot fewer C & D cells then in the past. LED
flashlights use a lot less power than incandescent flashlights so
there's less of a need for larger capacity C & D cells.


My D cell flashlights converted to LED last so much longer and are often
much brighter. I have a D cell Maglite as long as my forearm that will

TDD

You certainly do know how to strengthen your
forearm... Take a whack at it now!


I checked it after posting and found that the Maglite is actually longer
than my forearm. From my bicep to the crease of the tip joint of my
middle finger is the length of the flashlight which is 20". ^_^

TDD

On 8/31/2013 8:54 PM, sms wrote:
On 8/30/2013 8:28 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:

I order batteries from "http://www.batteryjunction.com/" and they have
Eneloop, Panasonic Evolta and Tenergy Centura. They don't have Maha
Imedion batteries.

Costco sells Eneloops in AA and AAA bundles, which vary over time.
Sometimes they have a charger bundled in, sometimes they don't,
occasionally they'll have both with and without a charger.


I just purchased an Eneloop package at Costco for $23 that included 8
AA batteries, 2 AAA, a couple each C and D adapters, and a charger.
After pricing just the batteries locally and online, I went back and
bought another package.

Sounds like a wise decision. I'm in the east,
we don't have Costco. I did some thing like
that with the flashlight packs at BJ's whole
sale club in 1998 or so. I used Mini Mag as
my daily "everything" light. It was almost
cheaper to buy the minimag and three D cell
combo pack with first set of alkalines.

..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 9/3/2013 11:30 AM, Moe DeLoughan wrote:

I just purchased an Eneloop package at Costco for $23 that included 8 AA
batteries, 2 AAA, a couple each C and D adapters, and a charger. After
pricing just the batteries locally and online, I went back and bought
another package.

On Tue, 03 Sep 2013 12:04:19 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

I'm in the east, we don't have Costco.

Aside: Costco is also in the East.

On 9/3/2013 8:30 AM, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
On 8/31/2013 8:54 PM, sms wrote:
On 8/30/2013 8:28 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:

I order batteries from "http://www.batteryjunction.com/" and they have
Eneloop, Panasonic Evolta and Tenergy Centura. They don't have Maha
Imedion batteries.

Costco sells Eneloops in AA and AAA bundles, which vary over time.
Sometimes they have a charger bundled in, sometimes they don't,
occasionally they'll have both with and without a charger.


I just purchased an Eneloop package at Costco for $23 that included 8 AA
batteries, 2 AAA, a couple each C and D adapters, and a charger. After
pricing just the batteries locally and online, I went back and bought
another package.

Even though the C & D batteries "made" with the adapters have a
relatively low capacity compared to true C & D NiMH batteries, I suspect
that for most users it's not of great concern since they are going to
recharge the batteries anyway, and they have a spare set ready to use.

I thought it was interesting that Sanyo was willing to do a low
self-discharge NiMH. The reason for the self-discharge problem has been
known for a long time, as has the solution. The problem is that the side
effect of the solution is to reduce the capacity. So you have to do some
good marketing to convince consumers that a 2000mAH cell is better than
a 2800mAH cell at the same or lower price. It's like trying to convince
someone to buy a digital camera based on high-ISO noise characteristics,
not just the number of megapixels.

On 9/3/2013 12:05 PM, sms wrote:
On 9/3/2013 8:30 AM, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
On 8/31/2013 8:54 PM, sms wrote:
On 8/30/2013 8:28 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:

I order batteries from "http://www.batteryjunction.com/" and they have
Eneloop, Panasonic Evolta and Tenergy Centura. They don't have Maha
Imedion batteries.

Costco sells Eneloops in AA and AAA bundles, which vary over time.
Sometimes they have a charger bundled in, sometimes they don't,
occasionally they'll have both with and without a charger.


I just purchased an Eneloop package at Costco for $23 that included 8 AA
batteries, 2 AAA, a couple each C and D adapters, and a charger. After
pricing just the batteries locally and online, I went back and bought
another package.

Even though the C & D batteries "made" with the adapters have a
relatively low capacity compared to true C & D NiMH batteries, I suspect
that for most users it's not of great concern since they are going to
recharge the batteries anyway, and they have a spare set ready to use.

I thought it was interesting that Sanyo was willing to do a low
self-discharge NiMH. The reason for the self-discharge problem has been
known for a long time, as has the solution. The problem is that the side
effect of the solution is to reduce the capacity. So you have to do some
good marketing to convince consumers that a 2000mAH cell is better than
a 2800mAH cell at the same or lower price. It's like trying to convince
someone to buy a digital camera based on high-ISO noise characteristics,
not just the number of megapixels.


Not really, Eneloops (and the other LSD NiMH cells) are practical for
applications where regular NiMHs (or any other currently available
rechargeable cell) would be completely unsuitable, like remote controls,
battery powered wall clocks, etc. Only took a couple alkaline leaking
incidents to make me take the leap, because the only other real
alternative would be lithium primaries, but if the Eneloops last for 3-4
charge cycles they've paid for themselves relative to lithiums.

nate

On 9/3/2013 8:30 AM, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
On 8/31/2013 8:54 PM, sms wrote:
On 8/30/2013 8:28 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:

I order batteries from "http://www.batteryjunction.com/" and they have
Eneloop, Panasonic Evolta and Tenergy Centura. They don't have Maha
Imedion batteries.

Costco sells Eneloops in AA and AAA bundles, which vary over time.
Sometimes they have a charger bundled in, sometimes they don't,
occasionally they'll have both with and without a charger.


I just purchased an Eneloop package at Costco for $23 that included 8 AA
batteries, 2 AAA, a couple each C and D adapters, and a charger. After
pricing just the batteries locally and online, I went back and bought
another package.

Costco is about the best place I've found for Eneloops. Also, the Sanyo
charger is very good in terms of end of charge detection, using -ˆ†V and
temperature. You just can't use it for NiCad AA cells though because
NiCads have a different end of charge detection.

I think that one reason that you don't see more C & D NiMH batteries is
that the chargers are rather large.

The best smart charger I've found is the Tenergy TN190 (I have the
previous model the T6278). This is a better than the Maha or LaCrosse
smart chargers. But the reality is, the Sanyo Eneloop charger will
charge the batteries just as well, it just won't provide all the
detailed information on the charge state, and there's no discharge
function to attempt to revitalize problem cells. These higher end
chargers provide a lot of information, and for a techie they're
interesting, but the reality is that there's no real advantage to them.
Just avoid super-low-end chargers with no end-of-charge detection.

Well actually there is one big difference between chargers. Sanyo's
original Eneloop charger had four separate channels so you could charge
1, 2, 3, or 4 batteries. The newer ones charge in pairs so you can't
charge an odd number of batteries. So if this is a concern, look for a
charger with 4 independent channels.

On 9/3/2013 10:30 AM, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
On 8/31/2013 8:54 PM, sms wrote:
On 8/30/2013 8:28 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:

I order batteries from "http://www.batteryjunction.com/" and they have
Eneloop, Panasonic Evolta and Tenergy Centura. They don't have Maha
Imedion batteries.

Costco sells Eneloops in AA and AAA bundles, which vary over time.
Sometimes they have a charger bundled in, sometimes they don't,
occasionally they'll have both with and without a charger.


I just purchased an Eneloop package at Costco for $23 that included 8 AA
batteries, 2 AAA, a couple each C and D adapters, and a charger. After
pricing just the batteries locally and online, I went back and bought
another package.


That's why I keep my eyes open everywhere I go in stores because you can
trip over a good deal if you know the value and prices of items.
Knowledge is power, heck, I may have to get one of those smart-ass
phones so I can compare prices and specs on things I run across. ^_^

TDD

On 9/3/2013 6:49 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 9/3/2013 10:30 AM, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
On 8/31/2013 8:54 PM, sms wrote:
On 8/30/2013 8:28 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:

I order batteries from "http://www.batteryjunction.com/" and they have
Eneloop, Panasonic Evolta and Tenergy Centura. They don't have Maha
Imedion batteries.

Costco sells Eneloops in AA and AAA bundles, which vary over time.
Sometimes they have a charger bundled in, sometimes they don't,
occasionally they'll have both with and without a charger.


I just purchased an Eneloop package at Costco for $23 that included 8 AA
batteries, 2 AAA, a couple each C and D adapters, and a charger. After
pricing just the batteries locally and online, I went back and bought
another package.


That's why I keep my eyes open everywhere I go in stores because you can
trip over a good deal if you know the value and prices of items.
Knowledge is power, heck, I may have to get one of those smart-ass
phones so I can compare prices and specs on things I run across. ^_^

TDD


You don't have one yet? It really is great to be able to do that, even
more so if you occasionally stop in a Goodwill, Salvation Army, etc.
just for entertainment purposes.

I've yet to find any truly spectacular deals though, although it's saved
me a few times from taking a chance on appealing looking but difficult
to fix items, inferior products from a good brand, etc.

nate

On Fri, 30 Aug 2013 18:27:10 -0400, Nate Nagel
wrote:

Saw these in Target as I hit the fourth and last store in my area trying
to score some cheap Duraloops.

http://www.energizer.com/batteries/r...s/Pages/d.aspx

Seriously? a 2500 mAh NiMH D cell? So you want me to pay the same price
for a 2-pack of fake ass D cells as I would for a GOOD pack of 4 AAs
that each have almost the same capacity? Are you HIGH?

But wait, there's more

http://www.energizer.com/batteries/r...s/Pages/c.aspx

they come in C cell size too! Oh joy!

I mean, really. It's not that they managed to put out a *bad* cell, to
make one this pathetic takes real effort. It's like they're just saying
"**** you, consumers, we want to sell you our (admittedly excellent)
lithium primaries, so we're going to make our rechargeables suck so much
dong that if you're dumb enough to actually buy them the taste in your
mouth will be literally like kissing your crazy bipolar ex-girlfriend,
but without any of the good parts."

And *good* brands like Eneloop, Maha Imedion, and Tenergy Centura are
nowhere to be seen on your average store's shelves. (Notable exception:
I have seen Tenergy Centuras in C, D, and 9V - but not in AA or AAA - on
the shelf at Micro Center.)

Am I alone in being insulted by this?


What, exactly, are you complaining about? That their capacity is low?
Perhaps that;s the tradeoff for the selling price? What do all the
different batteries cost in $/100mAh ??

On 8/30/2013 11:41 PM, Ashton Crusher wrote:
On Fri, 30 Aug 2013 18:27:10 -0400, Nate Nagel
wrote:

Saw these in Target as I hit the fourth and last store in my area trying
to score some cheap Duraloops.

http://www.energizer.com/batteries/r...s/Pages/d.aspx

Seriously? a 2500 mAh NiMH D cell? So you want me to pay the same price
for a 2-pack of fake ass D cells as I would for a GOOD pack of 4 AAs
that each have almost the same capacity? Are you HIGH?

But wait, there's more

http://www.energizer.com/batteries/r...s/Pages/c.aspx

they come in C cell size too! Oh joy!

I mean, really. It's not that they managed to put out a *bad* cell, to
make one this pathetic takes real effort. It's like they're just saying
"**** you, consumers, we want to sell you our (admittedly excellent)
lithium primaries, so we're going to make our rechargeables suck so much
dong that if you're dumb enough to actually buy them the taste in your
mouth will be literally like kissing your crazy bipolar ex-girlfriend,
but without any of the good parts."

And *good* brands like Eneloop, Maha Imedion, and Tenergy Centura are
nowhere to be seen on your average store's shelves. (Notable exception:
I have seen Tenergy Centuras in C, D, and 9V - but not in AA or AAA - on
the shelf at Micro Center.)

Am I alone in being insulted by this?


What, exactly, are you complaining about? That their capacity is low?
Perhaps that;s the tradeoff for the selling price? What do all the
different batteries cost in $/100mAh ??


Eneloop AA = 2000 mAh, $10/4, so $0.125 per 100 mAh

Energizer D = 2500 mAh, $12/2, so $0.24 per 100 mAh

but the real insult is that their "D cell" isn't low self discharge and
has less capacity than some traditional AAs! In fact I'm pretty sure
the Maha Imedion AAs (LSD) are rated at 2400 mAh. So what's going to
happen is people are going to buy these either not understanding what
the numbers mean or not reading the label and they're going to replace a
15,000 mAh alkaline with a 2500 mAh NiMH (even though there's 8-10K mAh
NiMHs available, they're not sold in stores!) and be disappointed in the
rechargeables, mutter about damn tree hugging hippies ruining
everything, and go back to alkalines.

I'm mad that Energizer would market such a ****ty product and one that
is so spectacularly unsuited for its intended use. I'm also mad that
I've never seen a *good* competing product in stores, save for at Micro
Center.

Three Duraloops in one of these would be infinitely preferable (almost
as good as a real NiMH D cell, and possibly more convenient), *if* you
could buy the adapters in stores...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Parallel-Bat...em2a2d82 c350

nate

On 8/31/2013 3:59 AM, Nate Nagel wrote:
On 8/30/2013 11:41 PM, Ashton Crusher wrote:
On Fri, 30 Aug 2013 18:27:10 -0400, Nate Nagel
wrote:

Saw these in Target as I hit the fourth and last store in my area trying
to score some cheap Duraloops.

http://www.energizer.com/batteries/r...s/Pages/d.aspx

Seriously? a 2500 mAh NiMH D cell? So you want me to pay the same price
for a 2-pack of fake ass D cells as I would for a GOOD pack of 4 AAs
that each have almost the same capacity? Are you HIGH?

But wait, there's more

http://www.energizer.com/batteries/r...s/Pages/c.aspx

they come in C cell size too! Oh joy!

I mean, really. It's not that they managed to put out a *bad* cell, to
make one this pathetic takes real effort. It's like they're just saying
"**** you, consumers, we want to sell you our (admittedly excellent)
lithium primaries, so we're going to make our rechargeables suck so much
dong that if you're dumb enough to actually buy them the taste in your
mouth will be literally like kissing your crazy bipolar ex-girlfriend,
but without any of the good parts."

And *good* brands like Eneloop, Maha Imedion, and Tenergy Centura are
nowhere to be seen on your average store's shelves. (Notable exception:
I have seen Tenergy Centuras in C, D, and 9V - but not in AA or AAA - on
the shelf at Micro Center.)

Am I alone in being insulted by this?


What, exactly, are you complaining about? That their capacity is low?
Perhaps that;s the tradeoff for the selling price? What do all the
different batteries cost in $/100mAh ??


Eneloop AA = 2000 mAh, $10/4, so $0.125 per 100 mAh

Energizer D = 2500 mAh, $12/2, so $0.24 per 100 mAh

but the real insult is that their "D cell" isn't low self discharge and
has less capacity than some traditional AAs! In fact I'm pretty sure
the Maha Imedion AAs (LSD) are rated at 2400 mAh. So what's going to
happen is people are going to buy these either not understanding what
the numbers mean or not reading the label and they're going to replace a
15,000 mAh alkaline with a 2500 mAh NiMH (even though there's 8-10K mAh
NiMHs available, they're not sold in stores!) and be disappointed in the
rechargeables, mutter about damn tree hugging hippies ruining
everything, and go back to alkalines.

I'm mad that Energizer would market such a ****ty product and one that
is so spectacularly unsuited for its intended use.

If it's not intended for YOUR use, don't buy it.
I'm quite sure that the marketing department did lots of studies
to determine that they could sell more product at that price/product point.

You must have a stroke when you walk down the paper products aisle
at the market.

I'm also mad that
I've never seen a *good* competing product in stores, save for at Micro
Center.

Three Duraloops in one of these would be infinitely preferable (almost
as good as a real NiMH D cell, and possibly more convenient), *if* you
could buy the adapters in stores...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Parallel-Bat...em2a2d82 c350


nate

On Sat, 31 Aug 2013 06:59:00 -0400, Nate Nagel
wrote:



Three Duraloops in one of these would be infinitely preferable (almost
as good as a real NiMH D cell, and possibly more convenient), *if* you
could buy the adapters in stores...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Parallel-Bat...em2a2d82 c350

nate

You might call Amazon a "store."
I bought a couple of these a few years ago. Paid about the same price
as now, within a couple bucks.
http://www.amazon.com/Eneloop-Charge...rds=eneloop+aa

I have 6 each of the C and D containers laying in a tool drawer.
Think I bought a pack of extras cell and they came with containers.
I avoid C and D.
Don't even use my big D Maglites - a 3 and a 5 cell.
Have about 4 AA LED Mags. They do fine.
Here's the containers alone.
http://www.amazon.com/Sanyo-Eneloop-...ref=pd_sim_e_5

The first link looks like the best deal.
But both of those chargers got destroyed when my basement flooded.
I replaced them with Sonys about a year ago.
http://tinyurl.com/lswwjaq

The Sony chargers charge each cell individually, and I haven't noticed
any difference from the Eneloops. Nothing scientific, just haven't
noticed any difference in time before recharge.

Still use the old Eneloop batteries too. A few wouldn't charge in the
Sony charger, just caused a blinking light. Tossed those.

That linked Sony is a bad deal. Mine had the same number of batteries
as the Eneloop charger pack above, and cost 30, or maybe 35.
But no containers.
After reading the reviews and seeing they were good, and in the
ballpark pricewise I just pulled the trigger. Won't spend hours and
hours to save a buck.

You'll run into bull**** on Amazon. When I replaced my original
Eneloops with Sony, the same Eneloop batt/charger/container pack I had
paid 30 bucks for was only offered by one vendor.
Price? 120 bucks. I put in a quick ripoff review. Apparently Amazon
puts no controls on outrageous prices. As always, shop around.

On 8/31/2013 10:15 PM, Vic Smith wrote:
On Sat, 31 Aug 2013 06:59:00 -0400, Nate Nagel
wrote:



Three Duraloops in one of these would be infinitely preferable (almost
as good as a real NiMH D cell, and possibly more convenient), *if* you
could buy the adapters in stores...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Parallel-Bat...em2a2d82 c350

nate

You might call Amazon a "store."
I bought a couple of these a few years ago. Paid about the same price
as now, within a couple bucks.
http://www.amazon.com/Eneloop-Charge...rds=eneloop+aa

I have 6 each of the C and D containers laying in a tool drawer.
Think I bought a pack of extras cell and they came with containers.
I avoid C and D.
Don't even use my big D Maglites - a 3 and a 5 cell.
Have about 4 AA LED Mags. They do fine.
Here's the containers alone.
http://www.amazon.com/Sanyo-Eneloop-...ref=pd_sim_e_5

The first link looks like the best deal.
But both of those chargers got destroyed when my basement flooded.
I replaced them with Sonys about a year ago.
http://tinyurl.com/lswwjaq

The Sony chargers charge each cell individually, and I haven't noticed
any difference from the Eneloops. Nothing scientific, just haven't
noticed any difference in time before recharge.

Still use the old Eneloop batteries too. A few wouldn't charge in the
Sony charger, just caused a blinking light. Tossed those.

That linked Sony is a bad deal. Mine had the same number of batteries
as the Eneloop charger pack above, and cost 30, or maybe 35.
But no containers.
After reading the reviews and seeing they were good, and in the
ballpark pricewise I just pulled the trigger. Won't spend hours and
hours to save a buck.

You'll run into bull**** on Amazon. When I replaced my original
Eneloops with Sony, the same Eneloop batt/charger/container pack I had
paid 30 bucks for was only offered by one vendor.
Price? 120 bucks. I put in a quick ripoff review. Apparently Amazon
puts no controls on outrageous prices. As always, shop around.


I tell my roommate to pay attention to the shipping charges. A neat item
you want may have a price of $5.00 but the shipping and handling charges
for the damn thing could be $15.00. I always pay attention to any other
costs involved with obtaining an item off any website. You
may have to fabricate the information you put in so you can get to the
checkout page to find the final cost and not windup being buried in spam
if you have no desire to pay too much for something. 10 minute mail
"http://10minutemail.com/10MinuteMail/index.html" works very well for
sites that require a bit too much information to answer your questions
about the final cost of an item. O_o

TDD

I've done that, on ebay items. One time I bought
a pipe wrench. With shipping, I'd have been better
off to buy a set of four from Horrid Fright.

..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 9/1/2013 2:21 AM, The Daring Dufas wrote:

I tell my roommate to pay attention to the shipping charges. A neat item
you want may have a price of $5.00 but the shipping and handling charges
for the damn thing could be $15.00. I always pay attention to any other
costs involved with obtaining an item off any website. You
may have to fabricate the information you put in so you can get to the
checkout page to find the final cost and not windup being buried in spam
if you have no desire to pay too much for something. 10 minute mail
"http://10minutemail.com/10MinuteMail/index.html" works very well for
sites that require a bit too much information to answer your questions
about the final cost of an item. O_o

TDD

On 8/31/2013 11:15 PM, Vic Smith wrote:
On Sat, 31 Aug 2013 06:59:00 -0400, Nate Nagel
wrote:



Three Duraloops in one of these would be infinitely preferable (almost
as good as a real NiMH D cell, and possibly more convenient), *if* you
could buy the adapters in stores...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Parallel-Bat...em2a2d82 c350

nate

You might call Amazon a "store."
I bought a couple of these a few years ago. Paid about the same price
as now, within a couple bucks.
http://www.amazon.com/Eneloop-Charge...rds=eneloop+aa

I have 6 each of the C and D containers laying in a tool drawer.
Think I bought a pack of extras cell and they came with containers.
I avoid C and D.
Don't even use my big D Maglites - a 3 and a 5 cell.
Have about 4 AA LED Mags. They do fine.
Here's the containers alone.
http://www.amazon.com/Sanyo-Eneloop-...ref=pd_sim_e_5

The first link looks like the best deal.
But both of those chargers got destroyed when my basement flooded.
I replaced them with Sonys about a year ago.
http://tinyurl.com/lswwjaq

The Sony chargers charge each cell individually, and I haven't noticed
any difference from the Eneloops. Nothing scientific, just haven't
noticed any difference in time before recharge.

Still use the old Eneloop batteries too. A few wouldn't charge in the
Sony charger, just caused a blinking light. Tossed those.

That linked Sony is a bad deal. Mine had the same number of batteries
as the Eneloop charger pack above, and cost 30, or maybe 35.
But no containers.
After reading the reviews and seeing they were good, and in the
ballpark pricewise I just pulled the trigger. Won't spend hours and
hours to save a buck.

You'll run into bull**** on Amazon. When I replaced my original
Eneloops with Sony, the same Eneloop batt/charger/container pack I had
paid 30 bucks for was only offered by one vendor.
Price? 120 bucks. I put in a quick ripoff review. Apparently Amazon
puts no controls on outrageous prices. As always, shop around.


I've bought some Eneloops off Amazon, but found an eBay seller that is
reputable and has slightly lower prices.

My point was that there are NO distribution channels in the US for good,
3xAA to D cell adapters save for Battery Junction and they want an
extortionate $15 apiece for them.

I still have high hopes for the Chinese eBay seller that I mentioned in
a previous post, I know there are at least two guys on CPF that have
ordered from him, but one hasn't received his adapters yet and I'm
waiting for the other to let me know what he thought of them quality-wise.

nate

On Sun, 01 Sep 2013 07:21:36 -0400, Nate Nagel
wrote:



My point was that there are NO distribution channels in the US for good,
3xAA to D cell adapters save for Battery Junction and they want an
extortionate $15 apiece for them.

I just gave you a link where you can get them for much less.
Didn't include it again, since you don't want to listen, just talk.
Can't see where you have a point at all, unless you want them sold
in your grocery, big box, gas station.
Ain't gonna happen.

My guess, he's insulted that the retail stores
don't have good quality batteries for those who
wish to purchase good ones.

An email friend of mine has a home made hybrid
flashlight lantern. Used a square lantern from
Walmart, a LED bulb from online, and four D cells
(10 amp hour) and a D cell to lantern adaptor.
Got an entire year of use out of one charge.

..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 8/30/2013 11:41 PM, Ashton Crusher wrote:
And *good* brands like Eneloop, Maha Imedion, and Tenergy Centura are
nowhere to be seen on your average store's shelves. (Notable exception:
I have seen Tenergy Centuras in C, D, and 9V - but not in AA or AAA - on
the shelf at Micro Center.)

Am I alone in being insulted by this?


What, exactly, are you complaining about? That their capacity is low?
Perhaps that;s the tradeoff for the selling price? What do all the
different batteries cost in $/100mAh ??

And the quality:
==============
Thank you for this great question, I would be happy to assist you.
Regarding our NIMH Rechargeable batteries and Chargers, all of them are
genuine from China.

Thank you for taking the time to contact Energizer.
===============
YEs, we share your insultedness.


..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 8/30/2013 6:27 PM, Nate Nagel wrote:
Saw these in Target as I hit the fourth and last store in my area trying
to score some cheap Duraloops.

http://www.energizer.com/batteries/r...s/Pages/d.aspx

Seriously? a 2500 mAh NiMH D cell? So you want me to pay the same price
for a 2-pack of fake ass D cells as I would for a GOOD pack of 4 AAs
that each have almost the same capacity? Are you HIGH?

But wait, there's more

http://www.energizer.com/batteries/r...s/Pages/c.aspx

they come in C cell size too! Oh joy!

I mean, really. It's not that they managed to put out a *bad* cell, to
make one this pathetic takes real effort. It's like they're just saying
"**** you, consumers, we want to sell you our (admittedly excellent)
lithium primaries, so we're going to make our rechargeables suck so much
dong that if you're dumb enough to actually buy them the taste in your
mouth will be literally like kissing your crazy bipolar ex-girlfriend,
but without any of the good parts."

And *good* brands like Eneloop, Maha Imedion, and Tenergy Centura are
nowhere to be seen on your average store's shelves. (Notable exception:
I have seen Tenergy Centuras in C, D, and 9V - but not in AA or AAA - on
the shelf at Micro Center.)

Am I alone in being insulted by this?

On 8/30/2013 6:27 PM, Nate Nagel wrote:
And *good* brands like Eneloop, Maha Imedion, and Tenergy Centura are nowhere to be seen on your average store's shelves. (Notable exception: I have seen Tenergy Centuras in C, D, and 9V - but not in AA or AAA - on the shelf at Micro Center.)

Am I alone in being insulted by this?

No. I don't buy much from the local big-box stores. All they sell is junk.

Amazon Prime and UPS is my best friend here.

On Sat, 31 Aug 2013 09:33:29 -0400, Mitt Romley
wrote:

On 8/30/2013 6:27 PM, Nate Nagel wrote:
And *good* brands like Eneloop, Maha Imedion, and Tenergy Centura are nowhere to be seen on your average store's shelves. (Notable exception: I have seen Tenergy Centuras in C, D, and 9V - but not in AA or AAA - on the shelf at Micro Center.)

Am I alone in being insulted by this?

No. I don't buy much from the local big-box stores. All they sell is junk.

Amazon Prime and UPS is my best friend here.

The UPS guy must just love delivering sheets of plywood.

Wonder what they say about "precharged"
80 gallon tall water heaters?


..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 8/31/2013 5:17 PM, wrote:

Amazon Prime and UPS is my best friend here.

The UPS guy must just love delivering sheets of plywood.

On Fri, 30 Aug 2013 18:27:10 -0400, Nate Nagel
wrote:

Saw these in Target as I hit the fourth and last store in my area trying
to score some cheap Duraloops.

http://www.energizer.com/batteries/r...s/Pages/d.aspx

Seriously? a 2500 mAh NiMH D cell? So you want me to pay the same price
for a 2-pack of fake ass D cells as I would for a GOOD pack of 4 AAs
that each have almost the same capacity? Are you HIGH?

That's certainly not new. GE and RadioShaft NiCd 'D' cells were their
C's in drag. I don't think the 4AAs would fit your D-size appliance,
though.

But wait, there's more

http://www.energizer.com/batteries/r...s/Pages/c.aspx

they come in C cell size too! Oh joy!

I mean, really. It's not that they managed to put out a *bad* cell, to
make one this pathetic takes real effort. It's like they're just saying
"**** you, consumers, we want to sell you our (admittedly excellent)
lithium primaries, so we're going to make our rechargeables suck so much
dong that if you're dumb enough to actually buy them the taste in your
mouth will be literally like kissing your crazy bipolar ex-girlfriend,
but without any of the good parts."

The more things change the more they stay the same. Perhaps others
should read, too.

And *good* brands like Eneloop, Maha Imedion, and Tenergy Centura are
nowhere to be seen on your average store's shelves. (Notable exception:
I have seen Tenergy Centuras in C, D, and 9V - but not in AA or AAA - on
the shelf at Micro Center.)

Buy online. It's not like you buy rechargeables every day.

Am I alone in being insulted by this?

Probably. If you're that ****ed off by common marketing, you must
have a very high-stress life.

On 8/31/2013 2:48 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 30 Aug 2013 18:27:10 -0400, Nate Nagel
wrote:

Saw these in Target as I hit the fourth and last store in my area trying
to score some cheap Duraloops.

http://www.energizer.com/batteries/r...s/Pages/d.aspx

Seriously? a 2500 mAh NiMH D cell? So you want me to pay the same price
for a 2-pack of fake ass D cells as I would for a GOOD pack of 4 AAs
that each have almost the same capacity? Are you HIGH?

That's certainly not new. GE and RadioShaft NiCd 'D' cells were their
C's in drag. I don't think the 4AAs would fit your D-size appliance,
though.

3xAAs definitely will fit in place of *one* D cell, 4xAAs might
depending. I've seen adapters for both, I'm not aware of any 4xAA
adapters currently on the market but I got a tip off CPF of some 3xAA
adapters from a Chinese eBay seller that look promising. I might
actually buy some of them... apparently someone already did, I'm just
waiting for him to post what he thought of them quality-wise. Same
seller sells similar looking 4xAAA to C adapters also. eBay seller is
world_electric_fan, like I said I can't give a personal thumbs up yet
since I'm waiting for a forum reply before I purchase any myself.


But wait, there's more

http://www.energizer.com/batteries/r...s/Pages/c.aspx

they come in C cell size too! Oh joy!

I mean, really. It's not that they managed to put out a *bad* cell, to
make one this pathetic takes real effort. It's like they're just saying
"**** you, consumers, we want to sell you our (admittedly excellent)
lithium primaries, so we're going to make our rechargeables suck so much
dong that if you're dumb enough to actually buy them the taste in your
mouth will be literally like kissing your crazy bipolar ex-girlfriend,
but without any of the good parts."

The more things change the more they stay the same. Perhaps others
should read, too.

And *good* brands like Eneloop, Maha Imedion, and Tenergy Centura are
nowhere to be seen on your average store's shelves. (Notable exception:
I have seen Tenergy Centuras in C, D, and 9V - but not in AA or AAA - on
the shelf at Micro Center.)

Buy online. It's not like you buy rechargeables every day.

I do! But it would be nice to be able to have the option of picking up
an acceptable product in local stores... I actually believe in
supporting local businesses, but they make it so hard.


Am I alone in being insulted by this?

Probably. If you're that ****ed off by common marketing, you must
have a very high-stress life.

Not really, I mean, I'm already over it, but it really does show how
little the marketing department of your average large corporation thinks
of the intelligence of the average consumer.

It wouldn't have been a big deal save for the fact that we all know that
C and D size NiMHs are pretty rare, I saw them on the rack and was
immediately drawn to them out of curiosity, then I read the package and
was just depressed and disgusted...

nate

On 08/31/2013 04:58 PM, Nate Nagel wrote:

Not really, I mean, I'm already over it, but it really does show how
little the marketing department of your average large corporation thinks
of the intelligence of the average consumer.


It wouldn't have been a big deal save for the fact that we all know that
C and D size NiMHs are pretty rare, I saw them on the rack and was
immediately drawn to them out of curiosity, then I read the package and
was just depressed and disgusted...

My guess would be that the marketing departments have calculated that
consumers don't want to pay the cost for an actual D cell NiMH, and
thusly base their decision on cost as opposed to stored energy. I'm
sure that a part of the calculation includes revenue lost by people not
buying throwaways, though.

How do the prices of energizer NiMH AA and D compare to legitimate
brands' AA and D? Are the energizer NiHM D cells priced like a big AA
cell, or are they at a price point which you would expect them to charge
for a legitimate NiHM D cell? That would probably answer the question.

In any case, both "caveat emptor" and "there's one born every minute"
come to mind.

Jon

On 8/31/2013 7:11 PM, Jon Danniken wrote:

How do the prices of energizer NiMH AA and D compare to legitimate
brands' AA and D? Are the energizer NiHM D cells priced like a big AA
cell, or are they at a price point which you would expect them to charge
for a legitimate NiHM D cell? That would probably answer the question.

In any case, both "caveat emptor" and "there's one born every minute"
come to mind.

It gets tiring to have to know everything about everything to avoid
being cheated.

I think C & D battery sales are becoming such a small percentage of
total battery sales that a company like Eveready is just not going to
bother with making every chemistry in every size, so they just use AA
internals in their C & D cells for NiMH. Can you even buy a C & D NiMH
charger at the big box stores?

On Sat, 31 Aug 2013 19:11:00 -0700, Jon Danniken
wrote:

On 08/31/2013 04:58 PM, Nate Nagel wrote:

Not really, I mean, I'm already over it, but it really does show how
little the marketing department of your average large corporation thinks
of the intelligence of the average consumer.


It wouldn't have been a big deal save for the fact that we all know that
C and D size NiMHs are pretty rare, I saw them on the rack and was
immediately drawn to them out of curiosity, then I read the package and
was just depressed and disgusted...

My guess would be that the marketing departments have calculated that
consumers don't want to pay the cost for an actual D cell NiMH, and
thusly base their decision on cost as opposed to stored energy.

Bingo!

I'm
sure that a part of the calculation includes revenue lost by people not
buying throwaways, though.

Nothing at all to do with it.

How do the prices of energizer NiMH AA and D compare to legitimate
brands' AA and D? Are the energizer NiHM D cells priced like a big AA
cell, or are they at a price point which you would expect them to charge
for a legitimate NiHM D cell? That would probably answer the question.

No, different market dynamics.

In any case, both "caveat emptor" and "there's one born every minute"
come to mind.

Absoutely correct. It's about time the consumer stopped relying on
someone else to run his life.