Happened to try a seldom-used tv remote control last night, dead.
opened it up, one 2013 AA Energizer battery was fine, the other was
dead and leaking. I stupidly thought that the date on batterries was
how long they were supposed to last if they were not used - shelf
life.

Since the battery was not used more than a few minutes since it was
put in the remote a couple of years ago, and had been in an air-
conditioned and heated room in the house for its entire time since I
brought it home from the store, I thought that it was safe to leave it
in the remote without having to periodically check for leakage.
Fortunately, the leakage was minor and because of the physical
position of the remote, the leakage went onto the inside of the back
cover and did not get into the electronics in the remote.

Just thought I would post it here as a reminder not to assume anything
about battery life.

They might have the "replace the device" promise. I think Duracell did that
for years. As long as neither the user nor the device attempts to recharge
the cell.

I've recharged Energizer and Duracell. If the cell isn't too badly
discharged, they will take a topping off. Below some point, they tend to
leak from the flat (negative) end.

Christopher A. Young
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"Jon Danniken" wrote in message
...


Just thought I would post it here as a reminder not to assume anything
about battery life.

Call energizer and inform them of your experience. They will get needed
feedback, and you'll get a coupon for replacement batteries.

Jon

hr(bob) wrote:
Happened to try a seldom-used tv remote control last night, dead.
opened it up, one 2013 AA Energizer battery was fine, the other was
dead and leaking. I stupidly thought that the date on batterries was
how long they were supposed to last if they were not used - shelf
life.

Since the battery was not used more than a few minutes since it was
put in the remote a couple of years ago, and had been in an air-
conditioned and heated room in the house for its entire time since I
brought it home from the store, I thought that it was safe to leave it
in the remote without having to periodically check for leakage.
Fortunately, the leakage was minor and because of the physical
position of the remote, the leakage went onto the inside of the back
cover and did not get into the electronics in the remote.

Just thought I would post it here as a reminder not to assume anything
about battery life.

Send the battery to Energizer along with a note that it was in your sister's
smoke alarm. Inasmuch as she, and her two children (and the family
Dalmation), died last week in a house fire, you don't know whether the smoke
alarm was regularly checked for leaking batteries, but your brother-in-law
and the rest of the family is consulting with a lawyer to answer that
question. In the meantime, you were hoping that the company that made the
battery could shed some light on the cause of the battery's failure.

"HeyBub" wrote in message
...
hr(bob) wrote:
Happened to try a seldom-used tv remote control last night, dead.
opened it up, one 2013 AA Energizer battery was fine, the other was
dead and leaking. I stupidly thought that the date on batterries was
how long they were supposed to last if they were not used - shelf
life.

Since the battery was not used more than a few minutes since it was
put in the remote a couple of years ago, and had been in an air-
conditioned and heated room in the house for its entire time since I
brought it home from the store, I thought that it was safe to leave it
in the remote without having to periodically check for leakage.
Fortunately, the leakage was minor and because of the physical
position of the remote, the leakage went onto the inside of the back
cover and did not get into the electronics in the remote.

Just thought I would post it here as a reminder not to assume anything
about battery life.

Send the battery to Energizer along with a note that it was in your
sister's smoke alarm. Inasmuch as she, and her two children (and the
family Dalmation), died last week in a house fire, you don't know whether
the smoke alarm was regularly checked for leaking batteries, but your
brother-in-law and the rest of the family is consulting with a lawyer to
answer that question. In the meantime, you were hoping that the company
that made the battery could shed some light on the cause of the battery's
failure.


They will tell you that the smoke alarm should have beeped to warn them long
before the batteries died.

"hr(bob) " wrote in message
...
Happened to try a seldom-used tv remote control last night, dead.
opened it up, one 2013 AA Energizer battery was fine, the other was
dead and leaking. I stupidly thought that the date on batterries was
how long they were supposed to last if they were not used - shelf
life.

Since the battery was not used more than a few minutes since it was
put in the remote a couple of years ago, and had been in an air-
conditioned and heated room in the house for its entire time since I
brought it home from the store, I thought that it was safe to leave it
in the remote without having to periodically check for leakage.
Fortunately, the leakage was minor and because of the physical
position of the remote, the leakage went onto the inside of the back
cover and did not get into the electronics in the remote.

Just thought I would post it here as a reminder not to assume anything
about battery life.

I have had some dead fresh out of the package. I have also found that
Costco's Kirkland brand are just as reliable as the major brand, and a good
deal cheaper, so you don't mind as much when you do find a dead one. But, I
have had better results with Costco's batteries.

Doubt that AA size is used in any smoke detectors, they take 9v transistor.
You could say monoxide alarm. A slow bluidliup of mosnoie has been sheornwn
wo cause loses r ofd corrindation wand typing skils.ser.



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"HeyBub" wrote in message
...
opened it up, one 2013 AA Energizer battery was fine, the other was

Send the battery to Energizer along with a note that it was in your sister's
smoke alarm. Inasmuch as she, and her two children (and the family
Dalmation), died last week in a house fire, you don't know whether the smoke
alarm was regularly checked for leaking batteries, but your brother-in-law
and the rest of the family is consulting with a lawyer to answer that
question. In the meantime, you were hoping that the company that made the
battery could shed some light on the cause of the battery's failure.

I've heard good about Kirkland. Being in NYS, we don't have Costco here.
But, the discount stores do have off brands of batteries that are good. Such
is life. Buy cheap, and don't sweat the occasional bad one.

As to the OP, the Energizer people may replace the remote. Sounds like not
worth the shipping.

Christopher A. Young
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"EXT" wrote in message
news.com...

I have had some dead fresh out of the package. I have also found that
Costco's Kirkland brand are just as reliable as the major brand, and a good
deal cheaper, so you don't mind as much when you do find a dead one. But, I
have had better results with Costco's batteries.

On Jan 1, 4:37*pm, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
I've heard good about Kirkland. Being in NYS, we don't have Costco here.
But, the discount stores do have off brands of batteries that are good. Such
is life. Buy cheap, and don't sweat the occasional bad one.

As to the OP, the Energizer people may replace the remote. Sounds like not
worth the shipping.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
*www.lds.org
.

"EXT" wrote in message

news.com...

I have had some dead fresh out of the package. I have also found that
Costco's Kirkland brand are just as reliable as the major brand, and a good
deal cheaper, so you don't mind as much when you do find a dead one. But, I
have had better results with Costco's batteries.

The remote was sitting on the back of the tv table with the keyboard
up. The leakage was on the negative spring and on the removable
trapdoor so I wiped the spring and washed the trapdoor off, everything
works fine and you're right, it would not be worth the trouble to ship
it to Energizer. I will call them to let them know what happened
tomorrow when most everybody is back to work and see if they will send
me free coupons. I'll report back here what happens

I've always had the flat negative end that leaks. Why? No idea. Sometimes I
take a leaked battery device, and clean it with hot water and tooth brush.
Leave it open over night, and let it dry.

Christopher A. Young
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"hr(bob) " wrote in message
...

The remote was sitting on the back of the tv table with the keyboard
up. The leakage was on the negative spring and on the removable
trapdoor so I wiped the spring and washed the trapdoor off, everything
works fine and you're right, it would not be worth the trouble to ship
it to Energizer. I will call them to let them know what happened
tomorrow when most everybody is back to work and see if they will send
me free coupons. I'll report back here what happens

EXT wrote:
"HeyBub" wrote in message
...
hr(bob) wrote:
Happened to try a seldom-used tv remote control last night, dead.
opened it up, one 2013 AA Energizer battery was fine, the other was
dead and leaking. I stupidly thought that the date on batterries
was how long they were supposed to last if they were not used -
shelf life.

Since the battery was not used more than a few minutes since it was
put in the remote a couple of years ago, and had been in an air-
conditioned and heated room in the house for its entire time since I
brought it home from the store, I thought that it was safe to leave
it in the remote without having to periodically check for leakage.
Fortunately, the leakage was minor and because of the physical
position of the remote, the leakage went onto the inside of the back
cover and did not get into the electronics in the remote.

Just thought I would post it here as a reminder not to assume
anything about battery life.

Send the battery to Energizer along with a note that it was in your
sister's smoke alarm. Inasmuch as she, and her two children (and the
family Dalmation), died last week in a house fire, you don't know
whether the smoke alarm was regularly checked for leaking batteries,
but your brother-in-law and the rest of the family is consulting
with a lawyer to answer that question. In the meantime, you were
hoping that the company that made the battery could shed some light
on the cause of the battery's failure.


They will tell you that the smoke alarm should have beeped to warn
them long before the batteries died.

Not if it were a catastrophic failure.

EXT wrote:
"hr(bob) " wrote in message
...
Happened to try a seldom-used tv remote control last night, dead.
opened it up, one 2013 AA Energizer battery was fine, the other was
dead and leaking. I stupidly thought that the date on batterries was
how long they were supposed to last if they were not used - shelf
life.

Since the battery was not used more than a few minutes since it was
put in the remote a couple of years ago, and had been in an air-
conditioned and heated room in the house for its entire time since I
brought it home from the store, I thought that it was safe to leave
it in the remote without having to periodically check for leakage.
Fortunately, the leakage was minor and because of the physical
position of the remote, the leakage went onto the inside of the back
cover and did not get into the electronics in the remote.

Just thought I would post it here as a reminder not to assume
anything about battery life.

I have had some dead fresh out of the package. I have also found that
Costco's Kirkland brand are just as reliable as the major brand, and
a good deal cheaper, so you don't mind as much when you do find a
dead one. But, I have had better results with Costco's batteries.

We have three Costco stores in Houston and about fourteen Sam's Clubs.
Wonder if Costco being unionized and Sam's not has anything to do with it?

On Sun, 1 Jan 2012 16:09:24 -0500, "EXT" wrote:


"hr(bob) " wrote in message
...
Happened to try a seldom-used tv remote control last night, dead.
opened it up, one 2013 AA Energizer battery was fine, the other was
dead and leaking. I stupidly thought that the date on batterries was
how long they were supposed to last if they were not used - shelf
life.

Since the battery was not used more than a few minutes since it was
put in the remote a couple of years ago, and had been in an air-
conditioned and heated room in the house for its entire time since I
brought it home from the store, I thought that it was safe to leave it
in the remote without having to periodically check for leakage.
Fortunately, the leakage was minor and because of the physical
position of the remote, the leakage went onto the inside of the back
cover and did not get into the electronics in the remote.

Just thought I would post it here as a reminder not to assume anything
about battery life.

I have had some dead fresh out of the package. I have also found that
Costco's Kirkland brand are just as reliable as the major brand, and a good
deal cheaper, so you don't mind as much when you do find a dead one. But, I
have had better results with Costco's batteries.

I bought 100 packs of "Utilitech" brand AAs and AAAs from Lowes for $20/pack.
I've been using them for a bit over a year and they seem fine. I probably
should get another pack or AAs soon.

On Sun, 1 Jan 2012 18:35:55 -0600, "HeyBub" wrote:

EXT wrote:
"hr(bob) " wrote in message
...
Happened to try a seldom-used tv remote control last night, dead.
opened it up, one 2013 AA Energizer battery was fine, the other was
dead and leaking. I stupidly thought that the date on batterries was
how long they were supposed to last if they were not used - shelf
life.

Since the battery was not used more than a few minutes since it was
put in the remote a couple of years ago, and had been in an air-
conditioned and heated room in the house for its entire time since I
brought it home from the store, I thought that it was safe to leave
it in the remote without having to periodically check for leakage.
Fortunately, the leakage was minor and because of the physical
position of the remote, the leakage went onto the inside of the back
cover and did not get into the electronics in the remote.

Just thought I would post it here as a reminder not to assume
anything about battery life.

I have had some dead fresh out of the package. I have also found that
Costco's Kirkland brand are just as reliable as the major brand, and
a good deal cheaper, so you don't mind as much when you do find a
dead one. But, I have had better results with Costco's batteries.

We have three Costco stores in Houston and about fourteen Sam's Clubs.
Wonder if Costco being unionized and Sam's not has anything to do with it?

Probably has a lot more to do with the fact that Sam's is owned by Walmart. I
used to be a Costco member but after everything went to their house brand I
didn't see any point in continuing the membership. I wasn't using enough of
their stuff to justify the expense. Never been in a Sam's.

zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Sun, 1 Jan 2012 16:09:24 -0500, "EXT"
wrote:


"hr(bob) " wrote in message
...
Happened to try a seldom-used tv remote control last night, dead.
opened it up, one 2013 AA Energizer battery was fine, the other was
dead and leaking. I stupidly thought that the date on batterries
was how long they were supposed to last if they were not used -
shelf life.

Since the battery was not used more than a few minutes since it was
put in the remote a couple of years ago, and had been in an air-
conditioned and heated room in the house for its entire time since I
brought it home from the store, I thought that it was safe to leave
it in the remote without having to periodically check for leakage.
Fortunately, the leakage was minor and because of the physical
position of the remote, the leakage went onto the inside of the back
cover and did not get into the electronics in the remote.

Just thought I would post it here as a reminder not to assume
anything about battery life.

I have had some dead fresh out of the package. I have also found that
Costco's Kirkland brand are just as reliable as the major brand, and
a good deal cheaper, so you don't mind as much when you do find a
dead one. But, I have had better results with Costco's batteries.

I bought 100 packs of "Utilitech" brand AAs and AAAs from Lowes for
$20/pack. I've been using them for a bit over a year and they seem
fine. I probably should get another pack or AAs soon.

A HUNDRED packs of AAs? Are your running your whole HOUSE off of batteries?

On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 16:28:23 -0600, "HeyBub" wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 1 Jan 2012 16:09:24 -0500, "EXT"
wrote:


"hr(bob) " wrote in message
...
Happened to try a seldom-used tv remote control last night, dead.
opened it up, one 2013 AA Energizer battery was fine, the other was
dead and leaking. I stupidly thought that the date on batterries
was how long they were supposed to last if they were not used -
shelf life.

Since the battery was not used more than a few minutes since it was
put in the remote a couple of years ago, and had been in an air-
conditioned and heated room in the house for its entire time since I
brought it home from the store, I thought that it was safe to leave
it in the remote without having to periodically check for leakage.
Fortunately, the leakage was minor and because of the physical
position of the remote, the leakage went onto the inside of the back
cover and did not get into the electronics in the remote.

Just thought I would post it here as a reminder not to assume
anything about battery life.

I have had some dead fresh out of the package. I have also found that
Costco's Kirkland brand are just as reliable as the major brand, and
a good deal cheaper, so you don't mind as much when you do find a
dead one. But, I have had better results with Costco's batteries.

I bought 100 packs of "Utilitech" brand AAs and AAAs from Lowes for
$20/pack. I've been using them for a bit over a year and they seem
fine. I probably should get another pack or AAs soon.

A HUNDRED packs of AAs? Are your running your whole HOUSE off of batteries?

Seems so, at times. I just stuck eight of 'em in my new Internet radio
(present from Santa Amazon). I think I have more remote controls laying
around than light fixtures in the house (about half AAs and the other half
AAAs). Flashlights...

100 might not be all that many. when I was doing walkie talkies for the
museum, we used 24 per shift. They didn't want to use nicads, don't last
long enough, they said. So, we used alkalines and were happy with that.

Seriously, depending on the use, 100 might not be that many. An old style CB
walkie talkie takes eight. I've got several CB walkied that take eight
cells.

Christopher A. Young
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"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...

I bought 100 packs of "Utilitech" brand AAs and AAAs from Lowes for
$20/pack. I've been using them for a bit over a year and they seem
fine. I probably should get another pack or AAs soon.

A HUNDRED packs of AAs? Are your running your whole HOUSE off of batteries?

Stormin Mormon wrote:
100 might not be all that many. when I was doing walkie talkies for
the museum, we used 24 per shift. They didn't want to use nicads,
don't last long enough, they said. So, we used alkalines and were
happy with that.

Seriously, depending on the use, 100 might not be that many. An old
style CB walkie talkie takes eight. I've got several CB walkied that
take eight cells.

He said a hundred PACKS of batteries. How many in a pack? I dunno. Assume
it's twelve or 24 (plus 2 free). That's a god-awful bunch of batteries.

Think of the trips to the hazardous waste disposal station!

I'm going to go lie down.

On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 21:33:44 -0600, "HeyBub" wrote:

Stormin Mormon wrote:
100 might not be all that many. when I was doing walkie talkies for
the museum, we used 24 per shift. They didn't want to use nicads,
don't last long enough, they said. So, we used alkalines and were
happy with that.

Seriously, depending on the use, 100 might not be that many. An old
style CB walkie talkie takes eight. I've got several CB walkied that
take eight cells.

He said a hundred PACKS of batteries. How many in a pack? I dunno. Assume
it's twelve or 24 (plus 2 free). That's a god-awful bunch of batteries.

Hundred packs, as in a hundred per pack.

Think of the trips to the hazardous waste disposal station!

I'm going to go lie down.

Alkalines = garbage.

zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 21:33:44 -0600, "HeyBub"
wrote:

Stormin Mormon wrote:
100 might not be all that many. when I was doing walkie talkies for
the museum, we used 24 per shift. They didn't want to use nicads,
don't last long enough, they said. So, we used alkalines and were
happy with that.

Seriously, depending on the use, 100 might not be that many. An old
style CB walkie talkie takes eight. I've got several CB walkied that
take eight cells.

He said a hundred PACKS of batteries. How many in a pack? I dunno.
Assume it's twelve or 24 (plus 2 free). That's a god-awful bunch of
batteries.

Hundred packs, as in a hundred per pack.


Oh. The statement was: "I bought 100 packs of "Utilitech" brand AAs and AAAs
from Lowes for $20/pack."

I read it as "I bought 100 packs (containing an indeterminate number of
individual batteries)..." rather than "I bought (an indeterminate number) of
packs, each pack containing 100 batteries."

FRS walkie talkies 3 AA per set
CB walkie talkies 8 per set
LED flash light, 3 AA per set
portable radio 4 AA per set
Digital Camera 2 AA per set
Battery powered toys, 2 to 8 per toy

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wrote in message
...


A HUNDRED packs of AAs? Are your running your whole HOUSE off of batteries?

Seems so, at times. I just stuck eight of 'em in my new Internet radio
(present from Santa Amazon). I think I have more remote controls laying
around than light fixtures in the house (about half AAs and the other half
AAAs). Flashlights...

Sue the *******s. Take them for all they got.
Get the best lawyer in your state, and have him file a court case in
the US Federal court system.

Be sure to keep the battery and remote, and photograph everything with
a copy of the daily newspaper in the picture to prove the date.
Dont forget to mention how you became severely ill from skin contact
with the battery fluid when you removed it. Done forget mental
anguish, and how you lost your job and wife while you spent months in
a catatonic state of complete emotional collapse due to touching this
fluid. Be sure to take a copy of your psychiatric bill to court.

Remember, this will take years in the courts, but be patient. As long
as you have proof (the battery, remote, and your photos), and have the
best lawyer, you will win the case.


Funny you should mention this...

The LA Times recently ran an interesting article on petty class action
suits:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...0102,0,1043964
..story

Erik

On Jan 3, 9:52*am, Erik wrote:
Sue the *******s. *Take them for all they got.
Get the best lawyer in your state, and have him file a court case in
the US Federal court system.

Be sure to keep the battery and remote, and photograph everything with
a copy of the daily newspaper in the picture to prove the date.
Dont forget to mention how you became severely ill from skin contact
with the battery fluid when you removed it. *Done forget mental
anguish, and how you lost your job and wife while you spent months in
a catatonic state of complete emotional collapse due to touching this
fluid. *Be sure to take a copy of your psychiatric bill to court.

Remember, this will take years in the courts, but be patient. *As long
as you have proof (the battery, remote, and your photos), and have the
best lawyer, you will win the case.

Funny you should mention this...

The LA Times recently ran an interesting article on petty class action
suits:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...0102,0,1043964
.story

Erik

I went to the energizer web site and registered my complaint, we'll
see if they respond or not...Then I'll decide if suing is
worthwhileG.

wrote:
On Sun, 1 Jan 2012 08:54:32 -0800 (PST), "hr(bob) "
wrote:

Happened to try a seldom-used tv remote control last night, dead.
opened it up, one 2013 AA Energizer battery was fine, the other was
dead and leaking. I stupidly thought that the date on batterries was
how long they were supposed to last if they were not used - shelf
life.

Since the battery was not used more than a few minutes since it was
put in the remote a couple of years ago, and had been in an air-
conditioned and heated room in the house for its entire time since I
brought it home from the store, I thought that it was safe to leave
it in the remote without having to periodically check for leakage.
Fortunately, the leakage was minor and because of the physical
position of the remote, the leakage went onto the inside of the back
cover and did not get into the electronics in the remote.

Just thought I would post it here as a reminder not to assume
anything about battery life.

Sue the *******s. Take them for all they got.
Get the best lawyer in your state, and have him file a court case in
the US Federal court system.

Sorry. Federal Rules of Procedure demand that the plaintiff claim $10,000 or
more in damages for a suit to be brought in a federal court.


Remember, this will take years in the courts, but be patient. As long
as you have proof (the battery, remote, and your photos), and have the
best lawyer, you will win the case.

Giggle.

That's like going for a double cheese burger, and coming out with two
burgers?

Christopher A. Young
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"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...


He said a hundred PACKS of batteries. How many in a pack? I dunno.
Assume it's twelve or 24 (plus 2 free). That's a god-awful bunch of
batteries.

Hundred packs, as in a hundred per pack.


Oh. The statement was: "I bought 100 packs of "Utilitech" brand AAs and AAAs
from Lowes for $20/pack."

I read it as "I bought 100 packs (containing an indeterminate number of
individual batteries)..." rather than "I bought (an indeterminate number) of
packs, each pack containing 100 batteries."

Why do you consider alkalines to be garbage? I think they do a nice job.

Christopher A. Young
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wrote in message
...


He said a hundred PACKS of batteries. How many in a pack? I dunno. Assume
it's twelve or 24 (plus 2 free). That's a god-awful bunch of batteries.

Hundred packs, as in a hundred per pack.

Think of the trips to the hazardous waste disposal station!

I'm going to go lie down.

Alkalines = garbage.

That's funny. I thought he said he bought HUNDRED PACKS of batteries. Yeah,
have a lie down. Might help your stress level?

Christopher A. Young
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"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...
Seriously, depending on the use, 100 might not be that many. An old
style CB walkie talkie takes eight. I've got several CB walkied that
take eight cells.

He said a hundred PACKS of batteries. How many in a pack? I dunno. Assume
it's twelve or 24 (plus 2 free). That's a god-awful bunch of batteries.

Think of the trips to the hazardous waste disposal station!

I'm going to go lie down.

The past year I've run into more leaking alkaline batteries than I have
seen overall in the previous ten years. Something has changed, probably
to save a few cents, it will take awhile before we get the inside scoop.

All outsourced to China, now?

Anyone remember when "made in Japan" meant junky?

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"Steve Stone" wrote in message
news The past year I've run into more leaking alkaline batteries than I have
seen overall in the previous ten years. Something has changed, probably
to save a few cents, it will take awhile before we get the inside scoop.

On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 17:50:56 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Why do you consider alkalines to be garbage? I think they do a nice job.

No, they go *in* the garbage (when expired).

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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wrote in message
.. .


He said a hundred PACKS of batteries. How many in a pack? I dunno. Assume
it's twelve or 24 (plus 2 free). That's a god-awful bunch of batteries.

Hundred packs, as in a hundred per pack.

Think of the trips to the hazardous waste disposal station!

I'm going to go lie down.

Alkalines = garbage.