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I never have bought any Energizer batteries before,,, because I don't
like that Energizer Bunny.I always buy Ray O Vac Alkaline Batteries.
www.rayovac.com
cuhulin

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I never have bought any Energizer batteries before,,, because I don't
like that Energizer Bunny.I always buy Ray O Vac Alkaline Batteries.
www.rayovac.com

I especially like (and agree with):
"Mainstream consumers are remarkably gullible,
and few understand any technical specs at all."

This "AA-stuffed-into-a-D-cylinder" cheat goes way back to the Olde
NiCad days. I've also seen NiCad C cells stuffed into D cylinders, too.

Jonesy
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I never have bought any Energizer batteries before,,, because I don't
like that Energizer Bunny.I always buy Ray O Vac Alkaline Batteries.
www.rayovac.com

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Trevor Wilson

Allodoxaphobia wrote:
On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 12:37:16 -0600, wrote:
http://www.newstarget.com/PhotoTour_...tteries_1.html

I never have bought any Energizer batteries before,,, because I don't
like that Energizer Bunny.I always buy Ray O Vac Alkaline Batteries.
www.rayovac.com

I especially like (and agree with):
"Mainstream consumers are remarkably gullible,
and few understand any technical specs at all."

This "AA-stuffed-into-a-D-cylinder" cheat goes way back to the Olde
NiCad days. I've also seen NiCad C cells stuffed into D cylinders, too.

Jonesy
I've got a pair (each) of AA -- C, and AA - D adapters. You just slip
the AA into the appropriate adapter...instant C or D cell. Of course,
they only supply AA current and amp-hours, but for some apps they can be
handy. They came with a set of Nimh 's and charger package I bought.

jak

Those batterys are made in one big place and get different covers put on
them . They are all he same just different grades , they put out voltage
into your ``toys``

Energizer and Mallory are both very good batteries. There is no big
difference. There are only a few manufactures that make the chemicals that
these batteries are made out of.

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I never have bought any Energizer batteries before,,, because I don't
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www.rayovac.com
cuhulin

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Energizer and Mallory are both very good batteries. There is no big
difference. There are only a few manufactures that make the chemicals that
these batteries are made out of.

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Years ago Consumer Reports did a test of many different brands of batteries
and Energizer consistently came out lower, Duracell was one of the better
ones as I recall, but many store brands did as well or nearly so for much
lower cost. There is, or was at the time, a measurable difference and it
matched my personal experience, now that everything is made in China that
may not be true anymore.

That said, I use NiMH rechareables almost exclusively now.

Years ago Consumer Reports did a test of many different brands of
batteries
and Energizer consistently came out lower, Duracell was one of the better
ones as I recall, but many store brands did as well or nearly so for much
lower cost. There is, or was at the time, a measurable difference and it
matched my personal experience, now that everything is made in China that
may not be true anymore.

Their most-recent tests gave top value to Costco Kirkland, which are
actually Toshiba.


That said, I use NiMH rechareables almost exclusively now.

Great for photoflashes, or any high-drain application. Not so good for
remote controls or low-drain devices.

MAHA makes a great computer-controlled charger-conditioner.

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The first Radio Shack D rechargeables I bought were the same construction.
They also sell higher capacity units that are all battery.

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James Sweet wrote:
Years ago Consumer Reports did a test of many different brands of batteries
and Energizer consistently came out lower, Duracell was one of the better
ones as I recall, but many store brands did as well or nearly so for much
lower cost.

Every few years I buy a few Duracells, to remind me why I don't buy Duracells.
I have never gotten as long life out of any Duracell as I get out of the
cheapest no-name battery.

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James Sweet wrote:

Years ago Consumer Reports did a test of many different brands of batteries
and Energizer consistently came out lower, Duracell was one of the better
ones as I recall, but many store brands did as well or nearly so for much
lower cost. There is, or was at the time, a measurable difference and it
matched my personal experience, now that everything is made in China that
may not be true anymore.

That said, I use NiMH rechareables almost exclusively now.

Have you tried the new "low discharge" NiMH batteries yet? All the pluses
of NiMH cells, without the problem of rapid self discharge. I've been
running a pair in my cordless mouse for over a month now, and the software
reports they still have a 98% charge. Never got more than a week or two
from the old style NiMH cells. Only downside is that the maximum capacity
is 2100 mAh for now.

William Sommerwerck wrote:

That said, I use NiMH rechareables almost exclusively now.

Great for photoflashes, or any high-drain application. Not so good for
remote controls or low-drain devices.

The new "low discharge" NiMH cells will change your mind about that.

MAHA makes a great computer-controlled charger-conditioner.

Love my MH-C401FS. It's been a workhorse for over a year...closer to two.

Have you tried the new "low discharge" NiMH batteries yet? All the pluses
of NiMH cells, without the problem of rapid self discharge. I've been
running a pair in my cordless mouse for over a month now, and the software
reports they still have a 98% charge. Never got more than a week or two
from the old style NiMH cells. Only downside is that the maximum capacity
is 2100 mAh for now.

I haven't, I should pick some up for the flashlights though, the clocks and
receiver remote can stick with alkalines, I'd get carbon zincs for those if
I could find them anymore, they don't tend to leak.

I finally modified all my digital clocks with 9V batteries to use NiCds and
charge them, all it takes is adding a resistor across the isolation diode.
Those stupid things were dead every time I needed them until I did that. I
added a warning label to the back just in case they end up in someone else's
hands.

clifto wrote:
James Sweet wrote:
Years ago Consumer Reports did a test of many different brands of batteries
and Energizer consistently came out lower, Duracell was one of the better
ones as I recall, but many store brands did as well or nearly so for much
lower cost.

Every few years I buy a few Duracells, to remind me why I don't buy Duracells.
I have never gotten as long life out of any Duracell as I get out of the
cheapest no-name battery.


You must be buying chinese knockoffs!

I`ve seen what look exactly like Duracell goldtop PP3`s which on
dismantling are stack of flat cells and not made up of cylindrical cells
as in a real duracell.

I use a lot of PP3 and AA cells for radio microphone work, and Procells
outlast all other makes with the possible exception of Varta Industrial
(Blue) PP3`s which are much cheaper and last last just as long as a
Duracell PP3.
The downside is that I`ve had a few early failures with Vartas

Ron(UK)

James Sweet wrote:

Have you tried the new "low discharge" NiMH batteries yet? All the pluses
of NiMH cells, without the problem of rapid self discharge. I've been
running a pair in my cordless mouse for over a month now, and the software
reports they still have a 98% charge. Never got more than a week or two
from the old style NiMH cells. Only downside is that the maximum capacity
is 2100 mAh for now.

I haven't, I should pick some up for the flashlights though,

I have a small LED flashlight that uses two AA batteries. My Kodak 2100 mAh
low discharge NiMH cells last longer than Duracell or Energizer AA cells.
They charge fine in my MH-C401FS as well.

Ron(UK) wrote:
clifto wrote:
James Sweet wrote:
Years ago Consumer Reports did a test of many different brands of batteries
and Energizer consistently came out lower, Duracell was one of the better
ones as I recall, but many store brands did as well or nearly so for much
lower cost.

Every few years I buy a few Duracells, to remind me why I don't buy Duracells.
I have never gotten as long life out of any Duracell as I get out of the
cheapest no-name battery.

You must be buying chinese knockoffs!

Nope. This ranges as far back as I can recall Duracell being around, long
before Chinese knockoffs were widespread.

I`ve seen what look exactly like Duracell goldtop PP3`s which on
dismantling are stack of flat cells and not made up of cylindrical cells
as in a real duracell.

I have, too. But the brand name is different enough that it catches my
attention.

One typical incident I remember was in the very early eighties, when we
were on a little outing about 50 miles from home. I forgot batteries for
my boom box, which we were depending on for picnic music, so when we all
stopped at a hardware store out that way, I picked up the only D cells
they had, Duracells. The boom box would reliably run for four hours at
high volume on eight D cells from Eveready or RayOVac, and I could get
two hours out of it on cheapo batteries like Walgreen's house brand or
that ilk. The Duracells lasted almost a whole hour.

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clifto wrote:
Ron(UK) wrote:

I`ve seen what look exactly like Duracell goldtop PP3`s which on
dismantling are stack of flat cells and not made up of cylindrical cells
as in a real duracell.

I have, too. But the brand name is different enough that it catches my
attention.

I`ve seen Duracell ripoffs that are absolutely indistinguishable from
the real thing until you take them apart. They even come in packaging
that`s exactly like the real thing! If there`s one thing the Chinese are
good at it`s cosmetic copying.


One typical incident I remember was in the very early eighties, when we
were on a little outing about 50 miles from home. I forgot batteries for
my boom box, which we were depending on for picnic music, so when we all
stopped at a hardware store out that way, I picked up the only D cells
they had, Duracells. The boom box would reliably run for four hours at
high volume on eight D cells from Eveready or RayOVac, and I could get
two hours out of it on cheapo batteries like Walgreen's house brand or
that ilk. The Duracells lasted almost a whole hour.

I`m not doubting you, and I have little experience with Duracell D
cells, but you never know how long those Duracells have been sitting on
a shelf and in what conditions they were stored. Don't get me wrong, I`m
not championing Duracell for any other reason than that they serve us
well when used in radio microphones, where a failure can be very very
embarrassing.
Some wireless kit is very fussy about what you feed it. Our Sennheiser
mikes for example refuse to work for more than a few minutes on brand
new Panasonic heavy duty PP3`s but run for at least eight hours on a
single Procell. That might be an impedance thing, I don't know.

When I was a kid, maybe 9 or 10, my dad bought me a Heathkit Jr
electronics workshop for Christmas, Included in the box were four C
sized red and yellow RayOVac cells. Here in England, I'd never seen that
make of batteries before, and those four cells lasted for years,
whatever they made them from, they should reintroduce it!

Ron(UK)



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Ron(UK) wrote:

clifto wrote:

Ron(UK) wrote:


I`ve seen what look exactly like Duracell goldtop PP3`s which on
dismantling are stack of flat cells and not made up of cylindrical
cells as in a real duracell.


I have, too. But the brand name is different enough that it catches my
attention.


I`ve seen Duracell ripoffs that are absolutely indistinguishable from
the real thing until you take them apart. They even come in packaging
that`s exactly like the real thing! If there`s one thing the Chinese are
good at it`s cosmetic copying.


One typical incident I remember was in the very early eighties, when we
were on a little outing about 50 miles from home. I forgot batteries for
my boom box, which we were depending on for picnic music, so when we all
stopped at a hardware store out that way, I picked up the only D cells
they had, Duracells. The boom box would reliably run for four hours at
high volume on eight D cells from Eveready or RayOVac, and I could get
two hours out of it on cheapo batteries like Walgreen's house brand or
that ilk. The Duracells lasted almost a whole hour.


I`m not doubting you, and I have little experience with Duracell D
cells, but you never know how long those Duracells have been sitting on
a shelf and in what conditions they were stored. Don't get me wrong, I`m
not championing Duracell for any other reason than that they serve us
well when used in radio microphones, where a failure can be very very
embarrassing.
Some wireless kit is very fussy about what you feed it. Our Sennheiser
mikes for example refuse to work for more than a few minutes on brand
new Panasonic heavy duty PP3`s but run for at least eight hours on a
single Procell. That might be an impedance thing, I don't know.

When I was a kid, maybe 9 or 10, my dad bought me a Heathkit Jr
electronics workshop for Christmas, Included in the box were four C
sized red and yellow RayOVac cells. Here in England, I'd never seen that
make of batteries before, and those four cells lasted for years,
whatever they made them from, they should reintroduce it!

Ron(UK)



I remember when I grabbed what I thought was a great deal, a brick of
AA's copper tops.
I didn't look close enough..,
it's amazing how the eye can get fooled while not thinking of getting
a screwing..
They turned out to be Duraking not Duracell.
They were no more than carbon cells at best in a cardboard tube that
didn't last long at all.


--
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Allodoxaphobia hath wroth:

On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 12:37:16 -0600, wrote:
http://www.newstarget.com/PhotoTour_...tteries_1.html

I never have bought any Energizer batteries before,,, because I don't
like that Energizer Bunny.I always buy Ray O Vac Alkaline Batteries.
www.rayovac.com

I especially like (and agree with):
"Mainstream consumers are remarkably gullible,
and few understand any technical specs at all."

This "AA-stuffed-into-a-D-cylinder" cheat goes way back to the Olde
NiCad days. I've also seen NiCad C cells stuffed into D cylinders, too.
Jonesy

The D battery has a "Sub-C" or "2/3 C" cell inside, not a AA. These
Sub-C cells are commonly used in rechargeable power tool battery
packs.

Incidentally, the adapter was patented in 1983:
http://www.google.com/patents?id=_UcuAAAAEBAJ&dq=4397920


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Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Ron(UK) wrote:
When I was a kid, maybe 9 or 10, my dad bought me a Heathkit Jr
electronics workshop for Christmas, Included in the box were four C
sized red and yellow RayOVac cells. Here in England, I'd never seen that
make of batteries before, and those four cells lasted for years,
whatever they made them from, they should reintroduce it!

RayOVac is my main brand these days. I find the quality to be as high as
any other battery, and the price is attractive.

I remember them way back when, too, with a cat and a lightning bolt on the
package.

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clifto wrote:
RayOVac is my main brand these days. I find the quality to be as high as
any other battery, and the price is attractive.

I remember them way back when, too, with a cat and a lightning bolt on the
package.

They are not available here in Israel. I miss them and their rechargable
alkeline batteries. What ever happened to them? 10 years ago I found
they were unreliable for many handheld devices because they could
not produce the current required. However since then the amperage
needed for most portable devices has dropped so they would be perfect.

As for Energizer and Duarcell, we get the "offical name brand" batteries
here, but they are made in Singapore and have far less capacity than
the U.S. versions.

We get batteries made in Hong Kong from a company called GPT that
are as good as the Singapore batteries for less money. Office Depot (Israel)
imported some real junk as their house brand, they would swell up and leak
after about 3 months on the shelf. They now rebrand GPT batteries.

Thanks for bringing this up, people occasionaly ask me if it is worth
bringing batteries from the U.S. and I'll tell them to bring the Ray-O-Vac
ones.

Geoff.


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RayOVac is my main brand these days. I find the quality to be
as high as any other battery, and the price is attractive.

I remember them way back when, too, with a cat and a lightning
bolt on the package.

That was Eveready.

I use Costco AA cells. They're made by Toshiba, and cost less than 25 cents.

I have one old Eveready Cat With 9 Lives C cell battery and one old
Burgess nine volt battery.Burgess M6 battery, thin cardboard cover, red
and white and black, vertical white and black stripes around the sides
of the Burgess battery.It has two snap on/snap off style connectors on
top of the battery, similar to modern day nine volt batteries, but the
connectors on my old Burgess battery are spaced further apart, distance
wise.There is a Howard's (Howard's discount stores, they went out of
business around here years ago) store price sticker/label on the Burgess
battey, $1.47.I think my Burgess battery dates back to the 1950s.I think
my old Eveready C cell Cat With 9 Lives battery dates back to the
1960s.About two or three years ago, I saw a website which has the logos
of old, old batteies of various brand names and you can print out the
logos with your computer printer and glue the logos on modern day
batteries.

A couple of buddies of mine collect old, old Railroad related
thingys.One of them owns some old, old big glass batteies like the kind
that the Railroads and other companies used to use many, many years ago.
cuhulin

William Sommerwerck wrote:
RayOVac is my main brand these days. I find the quality to be
as high as any other battery, and the price is attractive.

I remember them way back when, too, with a cat and a lightning
bolt on the package.

That was Eveready.

Dang, you're right. Last time I saw them was more years ago than I care
to recount.

I use Costco AA cells. They're made by Toshiba, and cost less than 25 cents.

Kirkland. I used to use them a lot. Then Costco quit stocking them in the
stores near me. That's when I found the RayOVac stuff and started using it.
Costco has since started carrying the Kirkland AAs again, but they're 40
for $9.99, and I get half the life out of them that I get out of the
RayOVacs. Back when the alternative was the more expensive Evereadys, it
was a bargain to go Costco and just change batteries twice as often, but
since the equivalent of 60 Kirklands costs the same as (or less than, when
on sale) the 40 Kirklands, I make out better with the RayOVacs.

Most times, 30 RayOVac AA cost $9.99 at Menard's. They occasionally go on
sale or have a rebate, making them even cheaper.

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clifto wrote:


Most times, 30 RayOVac AA cost $9.99 at Menard's. They occasionally go on
sale or have a rebate, making them even cheaper.

I dunno about there, but here in the UK Duracell Procells are generally
on sale from wholesalers at two packs for the price of one

Ron(UK)

I was looking around in some of my junk boxes, I also have an old
RAY-O-VAC yellow and dark blue and red D cell battery.The RAY-O-VAC
trade mark/logo is red with the name Ray-O-VAC in white letters.The red
and white trade mark/logo is between two halves of a vey dark blue dot
on both sides of the battery.Some old batteries are collectible
nowadays, same as many other kinds of old things.Everything Old Is New
Again.
cuhulin