OT: I've complained before about the lack of a date on more than
half, maybe more than 3/4s, of all webpages, and here's an especially
bad example.

I asked the web, Does Medicare pay for second opinions and the first
page I looked at
http://www.medicare.gov/what-medicar...e-surgery.html
implied that it would pay, but only for 2nd opinions prior to
*surgery* and it said it would "help" pay for 3rd opinions if the
first two were different. I figured a government page would have a
Revision date, but no such luck.

http://www.medicareinteractive.org/p...lide_id=139 9

This page doesn't just imply. It says "Medicare will pay for you to
see a doctor and get a second opinion if:a doctor has recommended that
you have surgery or a “major diagnostic or therapeutic procedure.”"
So it includes before major diagnostic and therapeutic procedures.

It also said "Medicare will pay for a third opinion if: the first and
second opinions are different." Nothing about "help" to pay.

But it had no date either, so I don't know which are the old rules and
which are the new.

How come most webpages have no date?

On 8/12/2013 9:31 AM, micky wrote:
OT: I've complained before about the lack of a date on more than
half, maybe more than 3/4s, of all webpages, and here's an especially
bad example.

I asked the web, Does Medicare pay for second opinions and the first
page I looked at
http://www.medicare.gov/what-medicar...e-surgery.html
implied that it would pay, but only for 2nd opinions prior to
*surgery* and it said it would "help" pay for 3rd opinions if the
first two were different. I figured a government page would have a
Revision date, but no such luck.

http://www.medicareinteractive.org/p...lide_id=139 9

This page doesn't just imply. It says "Medicare will pay for you to
see a doctor and get a second opinion if:a doctor has recommended that
you have surgery or a “major diagnostic or therapeutic procedure.”"
So it includes before major diagnostic and therapeutic procedures.

It also said "Medicare will pay for a third opinion if: the first and
second opinions are different." Nothing about "help" to pay.

But it had no date either, so I don't know which are the old rules and
which are the new.

How come most webpages have no date?


Medicare should be up to date so no date of publication is needed. Note
that the second page you refer to is NOT the government Medicare page
but an independent organization. They may or may not be accurate.

I take "help" pay for means the usual 80% coverage. If you have a
supplement, contact the carrier for their policy on coverage.

"micky" wrote in message

stuff snipped

How come most webpages have no date?

Because web designers are lazy "artistes" who know that dating their page
will let the public know how infrequently they are updated. It really is a
problem and sometimes using the "View Source" option will reveal a revision
date in the source-code if you're patient enough to search.

I slam "webistes" (that's what my boss thought web designers were called
because of a typo using the word "websites") because I "were one" once. I
wrote a batch file that would mark our org's webpage as "last updated" with
the system date minus a random 1 to 4 every week. It effectively stopped
the complaints from people like you! (-:

--
Bobby G.

On Mon, 12 Aug 2013 09:31:05 -0400, micky
wrote:

OT: I've complained before about the lack of a date on more than
half, maybe more than 3/4s, of all webpages, and here's an especially
bad example.

I asked the web, Does Medicare pay for second opinions and the first
page I looked at
http://www.medicare.gov/what-medicar...e-surgery.html
implied that it would pay, but only for 2nd opinions prior to
*surgery* and it said it would "help" pay for 3rd opinions if the
first two were different. I figured a government page would have a
Revision date, but no such luck.

http://www.medicareinteractive.org/p...lide_id=139 9

This page doesn't just imply. It says "Medicare will pay for you to
see a doctor and get a second opinion if:a doctor has recommended that
you have surgery or a “major diagnostic or therapeutic procedure.”"
So it includes before major diagnostic and therapeutic procedures.

It also said "Medicare will pay for a third opinion if: the first and
second opinions are different." Nothing about "help" to pay.

But it had no date either, so I don't know which are the old rules and
which are the new.

How come most webpages have no date?

I can't speak for your statistics but as far as your examples are
concerned I'm ashamed you don't know the answer. Everybody else
knows... it's Bush's fault!

"micky" wrote in message

OT: I've complained before about the lack of a date on
more than half, maybe more than 3/4s, of all webpages,
and here's an especially bad example.

I asked the web, Does Medicare pay for second opinions
and the first page I looked at
http://www.medicare.gov/what-medicar...e-surgery.html
implied that it would pay, but only for 2nd opinions
prior to *surgery* and it said it would "help" pay for
3rd opinions if the first two were different. I
figured a government page would have a Revision date, but
no such luck.

http://www.medicareinteractive.org/p...lide_id=139 9

This page doesn't just imply. It says "Medicare will pay
for you to see a doctor and get a second opinion if:a
doctor has recommended that you have surgery or a "major
diagnostic or therapeutic procedure."" So it includes
before major diagnostic and therapeutic procedures.

It also said "Medicare will pay for a third opinion if:
the first and second opinions are different." Nothing
about "help" to pay.

But it had no date either, so I don't know which are the
old rules and which are the new.

How come most webpages have no date?

No idea but if you want to know when the page was last updated, go to the
page and paste this in the address window...

javascript:alert(document.lastModified)

Your browser has to be enabled for java scripts.

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____________________________

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On Monday, August 12, 2013 9:31:05 AM UTC-4, micky wrote:
How come most webpages have no date?

Who cares?

In your example, you point to one page which is an official government website, and another page which is maintained by a non-authoritative third party.

You should completely discount anything the third-party page says and only consider the government page as authoritative.

wrote:
On Monday, August 12, 2013 9:31:05 AM UTC-4, micky wrote:
How come most webpages have no date?

Who cares?

In your example, you point to one page which is an official government
website, and another page which is maintained by a non-authoritative third party.

You should completely discount anything the third-party page says and
only consider the government page as authoritative.

I'll consider the government page as authoritative as soon as I can call a
government office (e.g. the SS administration) and consistently get the
same answer from 2 or more representatives. It's scary how often you get 2
different answers to the exact same question just by calling back and
asking again.

Call Medicare on the phone. If that fails call the local office of your
congress critter. Ask to speak to the constituent liaison person.

"micky" wrote in message
...
OT: I've complained before about the lack of a date on more than
half, maybe more than 3/4s, of all webpages, and here's an especially
bad example.

I asked the web, Does Medicare pay for second opinions and the first
page I looked at
http://www.medicare.gov/what-medicar...e-surgery.html
implied that it would pay, but only for 2nd opinions prior to
*surgery* and it said it would "help" pay for 3rd opinions if the
first two were different. I figured a government page would have a
Revision date, but no such luck.

http://www.medicareinteractive.org/p...lide_id=139 9

This page doesn't just imply. It says "Medicare will pay for you to
see a doctor and get a second opinion if:a doctor has recommended that
you have surgery or a "major diagnostic or therapeutic procedure.""
So it includes before major diagnostic and therapeutic procedures.

It also said "Medicare will pay for a third opinion if: the first and
second opinions are different." Nothing about "help" to pay.

But it had no date either, so I don't know which are the old rules and
which are the new.

How come most webpages have no date?

"DerbyDad03" wrote in message
...
wrote:
On Monday, August 12, 2013 9:31:05 AM UTC-4, micky wrote:
How come most webpages have no date?

Who cares?

In your example, you point to one page which is an official government
website, and another page which is maintained by a non-authoritative
third party.

You should completely discount anything the third-party page says and
only consider the government page as authoritative.

I'll consider the government page as authoritative as soon as I can call a
government office (e.g. the SS administration) and consistently get the
same answer from 2 or more representatives. It's scary how often you get 2
different answers to the exact same question just by calling back and
asking again.

Call the local office of your congress critter. Ask to speak to the
constituent liaison person.

On 8/12/2013 5:23 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:


I'll consider the government page as authoritative as soon as I can call a
government office (e.g. the SS administration) and consistently get the
same answer from 2 or more representatives. It's scary how often you get 2
different answers to the exact same question just by calling back and
asking again.


I'd not bother with some phone droid. Print out the web page in case
you need it.

On Mon, 12 Aug 2013 21:23:35 +0000 (UTC), DerbyDad03
wrote:

wrote:
On Monday, August 12, 2013 9:31:05 AM UTC-4, micky wrote:
How come most webpages have no date?

Who cares?

In your example, you point to one page which is an official government
website, and another page which is maintained by a non-authoritative third party.

You should completely discount anything the third-party page says and
only consider the government page as authoritative.

I'll consider the government page as authoritative as soon as I can call a
government office (e.g. the SS administration) and consistently get the
same answer from 2 or more representatives. It's scary how often you get 2
different answers to the exact same question just by calling back and
asking again.
Not only different, but mutually exclusive and diametrically
opposed.

On Mon, 12 Aug 2013 10:15:07 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 8/12/2013 9:31 AM, micky wrote:
OT: I've complained before about the lack of a date on more than
half, maybe more than 3/4s, of all webpages, and here's an especially
bad example.

I asked the web, Does Medicare pay for second opinions and the first
page I looked at
http://www.medicare.gov/what-medicar...e-surgery.html
implied that it would pay, but only for 2nd opinions prior to
*surgery* and it said it would "help" pay for 3rd opinions if the
first two were different. I figured a government page would have a
Revision date, but no such luck.

http://www.medicareinteractive.org/p...lide_id=139 9

This page doesn't just imply. It says "Medicare will pay for you to
see a doctor and get a second opinion if:a doctor has recommended that
you have surgery or a “major diagnostic or therapeutic procedure.”"
So it includes before major diagnostic and therapeutic procedures.

It also said "Medicare will pay for a third opinion if: the first and
second opinions are different." Nothing about "help" to pay.

But it had no date either, so I don't know which are the old rules and
which are the new.

How come most webpages have no date?

You make three good points below, but.....


Medicare should be up to date so no date of publication is needed. Note

There are an awful lot of webpages out there, more than one on the
same subject I think, and I can easily see some of them getting missed
during the updating process.

In addition, not from my own personal use (which is not much) but from
the news I guess, I get the impression that coverage has grown and in
very few cases been cut back. Or course the second webpage might
never have been right.

that the second page you refer to is NOT the government Medicare page
but an independent organization. They may or may not be accurate.

True, but like Derby says, the government stuff can be wrong too, at
least when you call them on the phone. Maybe less so on the web, but
it gives me no confidence that it starts with a grammatical mistake:,
"A second opinion is when a doctor other than your regular doctor
gives ... " It shoudl be: A second opinion is an opinion given by
a doctor other than your regular doctor...."

I take "help" pay for means the usual 80% coverage. If you have a
supplement, contact the carrier for their policy on coverage.

That too makes a lot of sense, except I havent' seen other places
where they talk about helping to pay, and considerign they never or
almost never pay 100%, they ought to be using that word all the time.

Thanks everyone for all the adivice. Whichever page is right is
good enough for me. If I have to pay some on my own, I will.

But I wish more pages, not just medical ones, would have dates.

On Mon, 12 Aug 2013 11:00:22 -0400, "dadiOH"
wrote:


How come most webpages have no date?

No idea but if you want to know when the page was last updated, go to the
page and paste this in the address window...

javascript:alert(document.lastModified)

Thanks a lot. But it didn't do anything.

Your browser has to be enabled for java scripts.

I sure think so, but I used to know where to check and I can't find it
there now. Firefox/Tools/Options. I checked every tab. and can't
find anything about javascript.

Except for rare occasions, FF is the only browswer I use.

Can't find anything in the control panel either.
--

dadiOH

"micky" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 12 Aug 2013 11:00:22 -0400, "dadiOH"
wrote:


How come most webpages have no date?

No idea but if you want to know when the page was last updated, go to the
page and paste this in the address window...

javascript:alert(document.lastModified)

Thanks a lot. But it didn't do anything.

Works for me in Firefox. Opens up a little alert window over the page being
viewed. Cool trick, DadiOH! Oddly enough it even works on pages where I
don't permit Javascript. Are you entering
javascript:alert(document.lastModified) into the URL window at the top and
then clicking on the "GO" arrow?

--
Bobby G.

"Robert Green" wrote:
"micky" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 12 Aug 2013 11:00:22 -0400, "dadiOH"
wrote:


How come most webpages have no date?

No idea but if you want to know when the page was last updated, go to the
page and paste this in the address window...

javascript:alert(document.lastModified)

Thanks a lot. But it didn't do anything.

Works for me in Firefox. Opens up a little alert window over the page being
viewed. Cool trick, DadiOH! Oddly enough it even works on pages where I
don't permit Javascript. Are you entering
javascript:alert(document.lastModified) into the URL window at the top and
then clicking on the "GO" arrow?

--
Bobby G.

While the doc.lastmodified may tell you the last time the page was
modified, I don't think it's a valid method to determine if the information
is current.

It tells us when the page was modified, not what was modified.

On Tue, 13 Aug 2013 10:51:07 +0000 (UTC), DerbyDad03
wrote:

"Robert Green" wrote:
"micky" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 12 Aug 2013 11:00:22 -0400, "dadiOH"
wrote:


How come most webpages have no date?

No idea but if you want to know when the page was last updated, go to the
page and paste this in the address window...

javascript:alert(document.lastModified)

Thanks a lot. But it didn't do anything.

Works for me in Firefox. Opens up a little alert window over the page being
viewed. Cool trick, DadiOH! Oddly enough it even works on pages where I
don't permit Javascript. Are you entering
javascript:alert(document.lastModified) into the URL window at the top and
then clicking on the "GO" arrow?

I think I did and I'm sure I did these past few times, but it still
doesn't work for me. Thanks, Dadi, anyhow.

Bobby G.

While the doc.lastmodified may tell you the last time the page was
modified, I don't think it's a valid method to determine if the information
is current.

It tells us when the page was modified, not what was modified.

Yea, true, but it would be better than nothing. It would work well
in one direction, if the date is old. Ignoring for a moment the
assumption that governement pages are more accurate than
non-goverment, or if this weren't a government question, iIf even one
of the two pages I looked at had a hand-written revision date, and the
other had this computer modification date and the mod date was older
than the Revision Date, I could with assurance ignore the mod date
page.

I hope you guys put dates on any pages you write.

Another thing people don't do is put the year, even when they have the
month and day. One time I wanted to go to a hamfest but didn't have
the flier and maybe I didn't know about arrl.org at the time. I found
online several announcements of the hamfest, all for different dates,
but none had the year. I could only tell which year one was by
checking which year the date came out on a Sunday.

"DerbyDad03" wrote in message
stuff snipped

While the doc.lastmodified may tell you the last time the page was
modified, I don't think it's a valid method to determine if the
information
is current.

It tells us when the page was modified, not what was modified.

Agreed, it has its limitations. But if you come up with a 2009 date, you've
at least got a clue that the information is probably "a bit" stale.

--
Bobby G.

"micky" wrote in message

stuff snipped

Another thing people don't do is put the year, even when they have the
month and day. One time I wanted to go to a hamfest but didn't have
the flier and maybe I didn't know about arrl.org at the time. I found
online several announcements of the hamfest, all for different dates,
but none had the year. I could only tell which year one was by
checking which year the date came out on a Sunday.

I suspect web page designers are loathe to put it dates because it means
people will write in and say "You don't seem to have updated this site since
2009." That's why I wrote a program to keep updating the "created on" date
on a website I created so that it appeared to be just a few days old. (-:

--
Bobby G.

On 08-12-2013 09:31, micky wrote:

Put the URI into archive.org and They'll show you what it looked like on
different dates.


--
Wes Groleau

In any formula, constants (especially those obtained
from handbooks) are to be treated as variables.