I have need to get rid of a duplex outlet because it interferes with a
cabinet install. The wall it's on is the interior of a block wall which
means there is only 1 - 1.5" space between the block and the back of the
drywall.

What I want to do is route the wires in the existing location to another
location; however, they are too short. What I need to do is wire nut
additional wire to them, contain all in a covered box and fill in the
existing hole in the drywall so that it is flush.

What do I need?

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dadiOH wrote:

I have need to get rid of a duplex outlet because it interferes with a
cabinet install. The wall it's on is the interior of a block wall which
means there is only 1 - 1.5" space between the block and the back of the
drywall.

What I want to do is route the wires in the existing location to another
location; however, they are too short. What I need to do is wire nut
additional wire to them, contain all in a covered box and fill in the
existing hole in the drywall so that it is flush.

What do I need?

A hammer and chisel to make a recess in the block wall to accommodate
the box flush. Run new wire from that box to the new location if needed
and do the same there.

On 07/28/2013 12:41 PM, dadiOH wrote:
I have need to get rid of a duplex outlet because it interferes with a
cabinet install. The wall it's on is the interior of a block wall which
means there is only 1 - 1.5" space between the block and the back of the
drywall.

What I want to do is route the wires in the existing location to another
location; however, they are too short. What I need to do is wire nut
additional wire to them, contain all in a covered box and fill in the
existing hole in the drywall so that it is flush.

What do I need?


You can't do that by code. The current location of the box will become
a "junction box" which must remain accessable. If this is a built in
cabinet you will need to cut a hole in the back of the new cabinet, and
either use an extension ring to extend the box to within 1/8" of the
face of the back wall of the cabinet, or just demo the box completely
and pull the cables into an old work box inserted in the back wall of
the cabinet, then blank plate the box.

How to route an added cable to a new location is another problem, are
you saying that you are installing drywall and then a built in cabinet
but aren't using full studs to space the drywall away from the block?
If so you will definitely need to provide some protection for the cable,
romex by itself likely won't be acceptable if I'm envisioning this
correctly.

Adding another cable to the old box shouldn't change the box fill calcs
as a receptacle counts as two conductors (and you only count one
ground.) But it still may not be to current code, I've seen plenty of
older homes which had two 14/2s and a receptacle in a shallow single
gang box which is not acceptable anymore.

good luck

nate

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I have need to get rid of a duplex outlet because it interferes with a
cabinet install. The wall it's on is the interior of a block wall which
means there is only 1 - 1.5" space between the block and the back of the
drywall.
What I want to do is route the wires in the existing location to another
location; however, they are too short. What I need to do is wire nut
additional wire to them, contain all in a covered box and fill in the
existing hole in the drywall so that it is flush.

Code requires all junction boxes to be accessable, so you can't cover the
box. The typical solution is to cut a hole in the back of the cabinet, then
use a box extension to bring the outlet out flush with the inside of the
cabinet.

Otherwise, you'll need to relocate the box (use a new box) and reroute the
cable to the new location. If you have two cables coming into the box,
you'll probably have to add a second box for the second cable, then run a
new cable between the two boxes. The important thing is all boxes must be
accessable.

Anthony Watson
www.mountainsoftware.com/anthony.htm

On 7/28/2013 12:41 PM, dadiOH wrote:
I have need to get rid of a duplex outlet because it interferes with a
cabinet install. The wall it's on is the interior of a block wall which
means there is only 1 - 1.5" space between the block and the back of the
drywall.

What I want to do is route the wires in the existing location to another
location; however, they are too short. What I need to do is wire nut
additional wire to them, contain all in a covered box and fill in the
existing hole in the drywall so that it is flush.

What do I need?

If there are more than one cable in this box, you may have to leave it
where it is and make it accessible through the back of the cabinet, and
add a cable into it from the new location.
If there is only one cable in it, you can locate the origin of that
cable,disconnect it, and run a new cable to your new location from that box.

the must be accessible is so the box can be accessed in the future. the next owner may have a problem say the connection in the covered box goes bad...

without access or knowledge it could make repairs near impossible

On 7/28/2013 11:46 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 12:41:05 -0400, "dadiOH"
wrote:

I have need to get rid of a duplex outlet because it interferes with a
cabinet install. The wall it's on is the interior of a block wall which
means there is only 1 - 1.5" space between the block and the back of the
drywall.

What I want to do is route the wires in the existing location to another
location; however, they are too short. What I need to do is wire nut
additional wire to them, contain all in a covered box and fill in the
existing hole in the drywall so that it is flush.

What do I need?

Put a ring on the box and put a receptacle in the back of the cabinet.
I bet you will end up finding a use for it.


At my home, I discovered an outlet on the bottom wall of the bathroom
closet, the owner didn't know it was there. It has become handy for
charging all those cordless things like nose hair trimmers, keeping them
off the sink and shelf next to it. An outlet inside a kitchen cabinet
could be useful for keeping rechargeable kitchen gadgets out of the way. ^_^

TDD

"dadiOH" wrote in message

I have need to get rid of a duplex outlet because it
interferes with a cabinet install. The wall it's on is
the interior of a block wall which means there is only 1
- 1.5" space between the block and the back of the
drywall.
What I want to do is route the wires in the existing
location to another location; however, they are too
short. What I need to do is wire nut additional wire to
them, contain all in a covered box and fill in the
existing hole in the drywall so that it is flush.
What do I need?

Thanks for your responses.

It looks like there is no simple way to do what I want to do. I can't
reroute the outlet to the interior of the cabinet because it isn't actually
a cabinet...it is one end of roughly 25' of new construction and is stud
framed, drywall over, totally enclosed. Even if I *could* put it inside
that wouldn;t help as the existing outlet wpuld still be in the way...I need
it flush.

The whole thing is sort of a window seat along one wall of a room (see ascii
art below). It is terminated at one end - the outside corner - with a short
partition extension of the existing perpendicular wall; at the other end by
the "cabinet" which is actually more of a solid and unmoveable end table.

There are two other outlets along that wall two but they are not in the way.
Fortunately, all seem to be daisy chained from a drop near the inside
corner. I'll get an electrician out here, have him cut the drop in the
attic, route the other end through a junction box and make a new drop so
that I can route it through the inside of the new construction and put
outlets where I need them.

|
|
| Exterior
|
|_____________________________________________
| |--------------------------------------------------------| |
|..| |....|
|
Interior |
|

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On 07/29/2013 12:46 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 12:41:05 -0400, "dadiOH"
wrote:

I have need to get rid of a duplex outlet because it interferes with a
cabinet install. The wall it's on is the interior of a block wall which
means there is only 1 - 1.5" space between the block and the back of the
drywall.

What I want to do is route the wires in the existing location to another
location; however, they are too short. What I need to do is wire nut
additional wire to them, contain all in a covered box and fill in the
existing hole in the drywall so that it is flush.

What do I need?

Put a ring on the box and put a receptacle in the back of the cabinet.
I bet you will end up finding a use for it.


he may still be required by code to have a recep on that wall though...

nate

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