My Hunter ceiling fan (model #25560) and its lights no longer work when I pull the pull-chains.

The fan/lights are NOT controlled by a wall switch nor by a remote-control.

The wiring between the fan and the electrical panel is OK and all of the circuit breakers are On.

Does the fan have a reset button? If so, where is it?

On 1/13/2013 1:10 PM, gary wrote:
My Hunter ceiling fan (model #25560) and its lights no longer work when I pull the pull-chains.

The fan/lights are NOT controlled by a wall switch nor by a remote-control.

The wiring between the fan and the electrical panel is OK and all of the circuit breakers are On.

Does the fan have a reset button? If so, where is it?
If you have both hot and neutral in the fans canopy, you need to check
the fan's junction box. This is where the light fixture attaches. This
is the only other location where there are splices. Since the fan and
light have separate wires for the hot legs, it is likely that the
neutral splice has come loose in this junction box

gary wrote:
My Hunter ceiling fan (model #25560) and its lights no longer work
when I pull the pull-chains.

The fact that neither lights nor fan work suggests/indicates that there
is no juice to either, as opposed to the fan motor not working or a pull
switch malfunction or a fan reversal switch being in neutral.

The juice to the two, fan and lights, is common, whereas the mechanism
for turning them on and off and reversing is separate.

The fan/lights are NOT controlled by a wall switch nor by a
remote-control.

The wiring between the fan and the electrical panel is OK and all of
the circuit breakers are On.

Does the fan have a reset button? If so, where is it?

I would access what is likely the wire nuts for the electrical
connection to the fan and lights after you have double-checked that you
haven't made an error in evaluating whether the circuit breaker for the
fan/light is properly identified.

It isn't 'logical' electrically speaking that there isn't a wall switch
somewhere for a ceiling fixture. Most likely when the electrical
circuit was installed, there wasn't a ceiling fan/light there (yet). I
have 4 ceiling fans in my house and they all have wall switches (in
addition to whatever other controls they have).

One of those wall switches of mine is used so seldom I can hardly
remember where it is. More than once I have thought something was wrong
with my remote for the ceiling fan/light because the remote 'wasn't
working' to turn it on.


--
Mike Easter

Hi Mike,

My ceiling fan is wired directly to the electric panel. There is no wall switch. There is no remote control.

Mike Easter wrote:
gary wrote:
My Hunter ceiling fan (model #25560) and its lights no longer work
when I pull the pull-chains.

The fact that neither lights nor fan work suggests/indicates that there
is no juice to either, as opposed to the fan motor not working or a pull
switch malfunction or a fan reversal switch being in neutral.

The juice to the two, fan and lights, is common, whereas the mechanism
for turning them on and off and reversing is separate.

The fan/lights are NOT controlled by a wall switch nor by a
remote-control.

The wiring between the fan and the electrical panel is OK and all of
the circuit breakers are On.

Does the fan have a reset button? If so, where is it?

I would access what is likely the wire nuts for the electrical connection
to the fan and lights after you have double-checked that you haven't made
an error in evaluating whether the circuit breaker for the fan/light is
properly identified.

It isn't 'logical' electrically speaking that there isn't a wall switch
somewhere for a ceiling fixture. Most likely when the electrical circuit
was installed, there wasn't a ceiling fan/light there (yet).

I'm not so sure about that. Imagine this scenario:

The upstairs bedrooms in my house had no ceiling fixtures when I moved in.
A wall switch controlled an outlet in each room. I added ceiling light
fixtures and rerouted the wires to the switch to control them, but...

Had I been installing fans/lights with remote controls, I don't know that I
would have gone through the trouble of wiring in the switches. It wasn't
easy getting the wire through the top plates of the walls, down to the
switches, etc. I can certainly see a reason to wire the lights to the
switch and operate the fan only via remote, but I can also see - depending
on hard it would be to wire in the switches - to simply run power wires to
the fan, leave the rest of the wiring as it was and use the remote to
control the fan and light.

So, "logically" it's very possible that there is no switch.

I have 4 ceiling fans in my house and they all have wall switches (in
addition to whatever other controls they

One of those wall switches of mine is used so seldom I can hardly
remember where it is. More than once I have thought something was wrong
with my remote for the ceiling fan/light because the remote 'wasn't working' to turn it on.

gary wrote:

My ceiling fan is wired directly to the electric panel. There is no
wall switch. There is no remote control.

I would still access the connection at the ceiling if it isn't at the
panel or the apparently non-existent wall switch.

http://www.hunterfan.com/Support/Man...-Parts-Guides/

Model: 25551 25564 25566 25560 25561 25563
Owner's Manual
http://www.hunterfan.com/uploadedFil...uals/40955.pdf


--
Mike Easter

On 01/13/2013 03:11 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Mike Easter wrote:
gary wrote:
My Hunter ceiling fan (model #25560) and its lights no longer work
when I pull the pull-chains.

The fact that neither lights nor fan work suggests/indicates that there
is no juice to either, as opposed to the fan motor not working or a pull
switch malfunction or a fan reversal switch being in neutral.

The juice to the two, fan and lights, is common, whereas the mechanism
for turning them on and off and reversing is separate.

The fan/lights are NOT controlled by a wall switch nor by a
remote-control.

The wiring between the fan and the electrical panel is OK and all of
the circuit breakers are On.

Does the fan have a reset button? If so, where is it?

I would access what is likely the wire nuts for the electrical connection
to the fan and lights after you have double-checked that you haven't made
an error in evaluating whether the circuit breaker for the fan/light is
properly identified.

It isn't 'logical' electrically speaking that there isn't a wall switch
somewhere for a ceiling fixture. Most likely when the electrical circuit
was installed, there wasn't a ceiling fan/light there (yet).

I'm not so sure about that. Imagine this scenario:

The upstairs bedrooms in my house had no ceiling fixtures when I moved in.
A wall switch controlled an outlet in each room. I added ceiling light
fixtures and rerouted the wires to the switch to control them, but...

Had I been installing fans/lights with remote controls, I don't know that I
would have gone through the trouble of wiring in the switches. It wasn't
easy getting the wire through the top plates of the walls, down to the
switches, etc. I can certainly see a reason to wire the lights to the
switch and operate the fan only via remote, but I can also see - depending
on hard it would be to wire in the switches - to simply run power wires to
the fan, leave the rest of the wiring as it was and use the remote to
control the fan and light.

So, "logically" it's very possible that there is no switch.

I have 4 ceiling fans in my house and they all have wall switches (in
addition to whatever other controls they

One of those wall switches of mine is used so seldom I can hardly
remember where it is. More than once I have thought something was wrong
with my remote for the ceiling fan/light because the remote 'wasn't working' to turn it on.


All the above notwithstanding, the first thing that I'd do is drop the
light kit and start troubleshooting inside there. both the fan and
light switches are housed above the light but below the motor. If that
doesn't reveal anything, time to drop the fan and see what's up inside
the ceiling box. It's not that hard really, hint: I would remove the
blades first to make it easier to handle the motor. Also take a piece
of wire up the ladder with you to hang the motor while disconnecting -
most Hunter fans provide a mechanism to hang the motor from the bracket
during installation, but if you don't know what it is, it would be nice
to not be trying to figure it out on a ladder.

I suppose it's possible that both pull switches failed simultaneously,
but I would think it is more likely that there's a bad connection
somewhere, my guess would be in the ceiling box. (I'm ASSuming for the
sake of argument that all info given is correct, e.g. that it's not a
breaker.)

nate

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gary wrote:
My Hunter ceiling fan (model #25560) and its lights no longer work
when I pull the pull-chains.

The fan/lights are NOT controlled by a wall switch nor by a
remote-control.

The wiring between the fan and the electrical panel is OK and all of
the circuit breakers are On.

Does the fan have a reset button? If so, where is it?

If you have juice to the fan, replace the switches. They *do* wear out.

You can check by bypassing them...if stuff then works the switches are bad.

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It's not too unusual in older homes, say those first wired early 20th
century, to have some ceiling fixtures with lamps controlled only
by pull chains. Perhaps the OP's ceiling fan is connected to one of those.


--
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Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org

On 01/13/2013 06:33 PM, Larry W wrote:
It's not too unusual in older homes, say those first wired early 20th
century, to have some ceiling fixtures with lamps controlled only
by pull chains. Perhaps the OP's ceiling fan is connected to one of those.

And even after the introduction of wall switches the mindset of
electricians laying out the wiring in a new house remained old-school
for quite some time after that - the main distribution run of power on
the floors of a house was from ceiling box to ceiling box. Switching
was accomplished by "switch legs." Often wall receps would also branch
out of the ceiling boxes, or the electrician would run the switch leg in
14/3 and then run a 14/2 from the switch box to a recep below.

I'm not sure when the shift away from that style of wiring occurred - I
know it was later than the 50's and probably before the 80's, but I've
never lived in/worked on anywhere built in between those decades.

In some ways the old school wiring methods make the wiring easier to
bring up to modern standards without busting up too much plaster,
especially if one's attic is unfinished... (ask me how I know this.)

nate



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Larry W wrote:
It's not too unusual in older homes, say those first wired early 20th
century, to have some ceiling fixtures with lamps controlled only
by pull chains. Perhaps the OP's ceiling fan is connected to one of those.

If we accept the original premise, that there is (allegedly) no wall
switch and there is (definitely) no problem at the circuit breaker and
two separate electrical devices each with independent switch (fan/light)
which both worked previously but now simultaneously no longer now work,
then we are left to assume that -1- such as some creature chewed/divided
the electrical wire in the ceiling -2- a wire nut or similar manual
connection magically unscrewed/released itself -OR- -3- (like at my
house) a 'never used'/ lost and forgotten/ occult/ wall switch got
turned off.

To me, the allegedly non-existent vs lost and forgotten/ secret unknown/
switch seems more likely than either of the other two, but then that's
just me and my own experience with secret wall switches, I guess.


--
Mike Easter

On 1/13/2013 6:50 PM, Mike Easter wrote:
Larry W wrote:
It's not too unusual in older homes, say those first wired early 20th
century, to have some ceiling fixtures with lamps controlled only
by pull chains. Perhaps the OP's ceiling fan is connected to one of
those.

If we accept the original premise, that there is (allegedly) no wall
switch and there is (definitely) no problem at the circuit breaker and
two separate electrical devices each with independent switch
(fan/light) which both worked previously but now simultaneously no
longer now work, then we are left to assume that -1- such as some
creature chewed/divided the electrical wire in the ceiling -2- a wire
nut or similar manual connection magically unscrewed/released itself
-OR- -3- (like at my house) a 'never used'/ lost and forgotten/
occult/ wall switch got turned off.

To me, the allegedly non-existent vs lost and forgotten/ secret
unknown/ switch seems more likely than either of the other two, but
then that's just me and my own experience with secret wall switches, I
guess.


The OP states, "

The wiring between the fan and the electrical panel is OK and all of the circuit breakers are On" I would believe that this means he has , or believes he has 120 volts at the splices in the fan canopy. If in fact, he does, any wall switch is a moot point.

Back to my original question:

Does my Hunter ceiling fan have a reset button or a reset switch?

Or might it have a fuse that may have blown?

On 01/13/2013 07:04 PM, gary wrote:
Back to my original question:

Does my Hunter ceiling fan have a reset button or a reset switch?

Or might it have a fuse that may have blown?




I doubt it. The motor might have a thermal fuse but I am aware of no
such fuse for the light. I'd still be looking for a loose splice.

nate

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Didn't we do this about a week ago?

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..

On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 20:07:09 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Didn't we do this about a week ago?

I think it was on February second.

On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 16:04:19 -0800 (PST), gary
wrote:

Back to my original question:

Does my Hunter ceiling fan have a reset button or a reset switch?


No. At least the 6 or 8 I have owned

Or might it have a fuse that may have blown?


Can't say from here. I'm still a fan of Hunter brand.

On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 17:36:03 -0800, Oren wrote:

On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 16:04:19 -0800 (PST), gary
wrote:

Back to my original question:

Does my Hunter ceiling fan have a reset button or a reset switch?


No. At least the 6 or 8 I have owned

Or might it have a fuse that may have blown?


Can't say from here. I'm still a fan of Hunter brand.

You hang from the ceiling, huh?

On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 20:07:09 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Didn't we do this about a week ago?

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

Yup - different reported brand but otherwise the same (Hampton Bay -)

On Jan 13, 2:20*pm, Mike Easter wrote:
gary wrote:
My ceiling fan is wired directly to the electric panel. *There is no
wall switch. *There is no remote control.

I would still access the connection at the ceiling if it isn't at the
panel or the apparently non-existent wall switch.

http://www.hunterfan.com/Support/Man...-Parts-Guides/

Model: 25551 25564 25566 25560 25561 25563
Owner's Manualhttp://www.hunterfan.com/uploadedFiles/Support/Owner_Manuals/40955.pdf

--
Mike Easter

The OP didn't say he/she threw the breaker and then reset it.. All he
said was that the breakers are ON. Maybe he doesn't realize that the
breakers can trip and the indicator/switch lever does not always go to
OFF. He needs to throw all the breakers OFF and then back ON to be
sure. Also he/she didn't say if they had access to a voltmeter (only
$2.99 with coupon in today's newspaper from Harbor Freight).

gary wrote:
Back to my original question:

Does my Hunter ceiling fan have a reset button or a reset switch?

Or might it have a fuse that may have blown?

None of mine ("Original") do.

--

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____________________________

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RBM wrote:
Mike Easter wrote:

If we accept the original premise, that there is (allegedly) no wall
switch and there is (definitely) no problem at the circuit breaker and
two separate electrical devices each with independent switch
(fan/light) which both worked previously but now simultaneously no
longer now work, then we are left to assume that

The OP states, "

The wiring between the fan and the electrical panel is OK and all of the
circuit breakers are On" I would believe that this means he has , or
believes he has 120 volts at the splices in the fan canopy. If in fact,
he does, any wall switch is a moot point.

He didn't 'say' (specifically) he had voltage at the canopy.

He seems to be focused on a concept of repeatedly asking about a 'reset
switch' -- which is silly when it comes to talking about a light bulb
not working and which fan reset is neither addressed or illustrated in
the .pdf manual (with troubleshooting section) link he was provided
earlier. None of my fans, Hunter, Hampton Bay, Casablanca, totalling 5
including a reinstall of one of them, have had any reset switch.

To me, it isn't logical that there would be a user reset switch to be
reset manually living inside a canopy housing up in a ceiling.

Instead he provided only his troubleshooting conclusions without giving
sufficient information about how he derived the conclusions. He said

"The wiring between the fan and the electrical panel is OK and all of
the circuit breakers are On."


I have no idea how he concluded the integrity of the wiring between the
fan and the panel or how he concluded the breaker was 'on'. He also
said 'No longer work' indicating that previously both worked.

All of that causes me to be uncertain as to how he went about
determining the information we were provided which causes me to
'suspect' that some part of the information was incomplete or inaccurate.

I focused on the 'secret' wall switch because of my own wall switches
which were installed at the same time as the ceiling box. I did not
assume that he had tested the voltage in the canopy and I also have no
idea how much he knows about breaker behaviors and positions.

The last time I chased down a mystery impossible downstairs outside dead
outlet plug I eventually discovered that it was supposed to be getting
its juice from a circuit far away and in an upstairs bathroom outlet
with a GFI breaker



--
Mike Easter

"dadiOH" wrote in message
...
gary wrote:
Back to my original question:

Does my Hunter ceiling fan have a reset button or a reset switch?

Or might it have a fuse that may have blown?

None of mine ("Original") do.

--

dadiOH

How old is the fan? Fans or, more properly, fan light kits sold during the
last few years have built-in power limiters rated at 190 watts so that power
to the light bulbs is limited to three 60 watt bulbs or some similar
combination.

But, some power limiters are located in the canopy (because of heat), so
it's possible that the fan was wired such that both the fan and light kit
are connected through the power limiter. If the power limiter has tripped
or failed, that could be the cause of your problem. Most power limiters
reset automatically when the load is reduced to less than 190 watts and the
power is switched off for a few minutes and then on again. I've never seen
a power limiter with a reset button unless that button is marked and visible
to anyone looking at the light kit or fan mounting hardware.

Tomsic

On Jan 14, 8:28*am, Mike Easter wrote:
RBM wrote:
Mike Easter wrote:
If we accept the original premise, that there is (allegedly) no wall
switch and there is (definitely) no problem at the circuit breaker and
two separate electrical devices each with independent switch
(fan/light) which both worked previously but now simultaneously no
longer now work, then we are left to assume that
The OP states, "

The wiring between the fan and the electrical panel is OK and all of the
circuit breakers are On" I would believe that this means he has , or
believes he has 120 volts at the splices in the fan canopy. If in fact,
he does, any wall switch is a moot point.

He didn't 'say' (specifically) he had voltage at the canopy.

He seems to be focused on a concept of repeatedly asking about a 'reset
switch' -- which is silly when it comes to talking about a light bulb
not working and which fan reset is neither addressed or illustrated in
the .pdf manual (with troubleshooting section) link he was provided
earlier. None of my fans, Hunter, Hampton Bay, Casablanca, totalling 5
including a reinstall of one of them, have had any reset switch.

To me, it isn't logical that there would be a user reset switch to be
reset manually living inside a canopy housing up in a ceiling.

Instead he provided only his troubleshooting conclusions without giving
sufficient information about how he derived the conclusions. *He said

"The wiring between the fan and the electrical panel is OK and all of
the circuit breakers are On."

I have no idea how he concluded the integrity of the wiring between the
fan and the panel or how he concluded the breaker was 'on'. *He also
said 'No longer work' indicating that previously both worked.

All of that causes me to be uncertain as to how he went about
determining the information we were provided which causes me to
'suspect' that some part of the information was incomplete or inaccurate.

I focused on the 'secret' wall switch because of my own wall switches
which were installed at the same time as the ceiling box. *I did not
assume that he had tested the voltage in the canopy and I also have no
idea how much he knows about breaker behaviors and positions.

The last time I chased down a mystery impossible downstairs outside dead
outlet plug I eventually discovered that it was supposed to be getting
its juice from a circuit far away and in an upstairs bathroom outlet
with a GFI breaker

--
Mike Easter

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