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HeyBub wrote: Gunner Asch wrote: One assumes you did the legal thing and stopped after the event and reported it? Legal? What law, statute, ordinance, or common sense mandates an individual risk his life when retreat or escape is possible? That is from the front cover of the coward's handbook. |
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On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 08:19:32 -0500, "Doug" wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 09:09:32 -0400, " wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:43:29 -0500, "Doug" wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:34:52 -0500, "Atila Iskander" wrote: "Doug" wrote in message m... I haven't heard of that but I did hear that one young man took a fatal bullet to save his girlfriend there. It really makes me sad to think this is almost becoming a common event and whereas before I had no opinion on gun control, I do now but I'll save it for a rainy day. Mass shootings are not that "common an experience" as you imagine This is a far more common experience. Nearly 4 times as common, and no one blathers on about these ? http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/11-dead-12-injured-pickup-truck-loaded-passengers-crashes-trees-rural-south-texas-article-1.1119890 Not common yet...as I said " becoming common" but maybe I should have said "becoming MORE common" as each year goes by. Except it's not. Really, look at the news and think about how many times you heard this sorta thing. The years between these events are getting closer. Perfect leftist reply, "look at the news...". Statistics say otherwise. Crime has steadily decreased. |
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"G. Morgan" wrote: F. George McDuffee wrote: I've serviced fire alarms in big cinemas like that. The protocol is pretty complex. Once smoke is detected anywhere in the building *all* of the projectors shut down, the RTU's are shut off, house lights come on full brightness, emergency exit signs flash, elevators recall & lock open, and a coded message - "the siren tone" with voice egress directions are announced on all speakers. We spend a lot of effort to make all that happen. I want to know why the fire alarm didn't do that. snip Thanks for the input on this! Another very good and cogent question. Let us hope the investigators were able to determine this (or bothered to check) and that the evidence has not been "cleaned up" and/or the security tapes recycled [erased]. Now where are the so-called investigative reporters? As in so many incidents lately, including random mass shootings, we are left with far more questions than answers -- far more myths than facts. The central station will have all those records in chronological order as each detector was tripped. If smoke was filled so thick as they say, the FA would have detected it and acted accordingly. If not, the FA was malfunctioning or there wasn't as much smoke as we've been told. If it was tear gas, it tends to lay low and slowly rise so it could take several minutes for it to hit the detectors in a theater. Do they even detect tear gas? How high are the ceilings, and do they use rate of rise, ionization or photoelectric detectors. Each has its application, and aren't well suited to some applications. |
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"G. Morgan" wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote: Richard wrote: Yes there is. One report said he had a used ticket on him when he was arrested. Based on that, he probably went in normally, slipped out the exit (why no alarm?), rigged the door, dressed up and came back in. If it's like a lot of commercial alarm installations that I've seen it was wired with surface mounted switches & exposed wiring. Then all you need is a jumper with a couple alligator clips to jump the switch on the door. I've seen more than one door where the switch had been bypassed & left that way after it went bad. If it's installed correctly, the EOLR would prevent the jumper trick. It probably had no EOLR supervision. BS. EOLR only detects open or shorted circuits. it doesn nothing to prevent bypassing a single switch, unless every switch is a home run. I used to teach new techs how to install alarm systems, and built an early central monitoring station. In any case, there should be two systems monitoring the exits, with the switches inside the door frames. One for security, and a second as part of the burglar/fire alarms Yup, one for the alarm and one for a door position switch for the employees to monitor propped doors. I've installed lots of systems on college campus dorms that's all it did - sound the keypad with a zone indicator saying which door has been open for more than "x" seconds. I installed some in nursing homes that sounded an alarm if any door except the lobby door was opened to prevent walkaways in their dementia patients. |
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On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 10:11:07 -0400, "
wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 08:19:32 -0500, "Doug" wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 09:09:32 -0400, " wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:43:29 -0500, "Doug" wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:34:52 -0500, "Atila Iskander" wrote: "Doug" wrote in message om... I haven't heard of that but I did hear that one young man took a fatal bullet to save his girlfriend there. It really makes me sad to think this is almost becoming a common event and whereas before I had no opinion on gun control, I do now but I'll save it for a rainy day. Mass shootings are not that "common an experience" as you imagine This is a far more common experience. Nearly 4 times as common, and no one blathers on about these ? http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/11-dead-12-injured-pickup-truck-loaded-passengers-crashes-trees-rural-south-texas-article-1.1119890 Not common yet...as I said " becoming common" but maybe I should have said "becoming MORE common" as each year goes by. Except it's not. Really, look at the news and think about how many times you heard this sorta thing. The years between these events are getting closer. Perfect leftist reply, "look at the news...". Statistics say otherwise. Crime has steadily decreased. They take statistics of horrific acts of violence? Sure go ahead and quote them. And tell that to Chicago !! |
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" wrote: It *is* illegal to leave the scene. The only hope to stay out of the graybar hotel is to hope no one can track you down or do a mea culpa and demonstrate that you had good reason to scat. Anything in the middle and you're in deep hockey. Point out how? This isn't covered by hindering prosecution which, at least the ones I am familiar with, require some active assistance in a case. Most have some flavor of (1) Harbors or conceals such person; or (2) Warns such person of impending discovery or apprehension, except this does not apply to a warning given in connection with an effort to bring another into compliance with the law; or (3) Provides such person with money, transportation, weapon, disguise or other means to aid him in avoiding discovery or apprehension; or (4) Prevents or obstructs, by means of force, deception or intimidation, anyone from performing an act that might aid in the discovery or apprehension of such person. Obstruction of justice also wouldn't fit this scenario. Please factor into your equation the Fifth Amendment's provision against mandatory self-incrimination. Irrelevant. Not hardly: In most jurisdictions, the right to remain silent allows ***any person*** questioned by police merely to refuse to answer questions posed by an investigator without giving any reason for doing so. (emphasis mine). -- America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the *******s."-- Claire Wolfe |
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"Doug" wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:55:02 -0500, "Atila Iskander" wrote: "Doug" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:34:52 -0500, "Atila Iskander" wrote: "Doug" wrote in message ... I haven't heard of that but I did hear that one young man took a fatal bullet to save his girlfriend there. It really makes me sad to think this is almost becoming a common event and whereas before I had no opinion on gun control, I do now but I'll save it for a rainy day. Mass shootings are not that "common an experience" as you imagine This is a far more common experience. Nearly 4 times as common, and no one blathers on about these ? http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...-pickup-truck- loaded-passengers-crashes-trees-rural-south-texas-article-1.1119890 Not common yet...as I said " becoming common" but maybe I should have said "becoming MORE common" as each year goes by. I doubt that they are becoming "more" common But hey, I'll be happy to look at any data to support your claim See my other reply. Which was largely a non-reply to the question. Just your feelings that they are coming closer together. -- America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the *******s."-- Claire Wolfe |
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"HeyBub" wrote: G. Morgan wrote: I've serviced fire alarms in big cinemas like that. The protocol is pretty complex. Once smoke is detected anywhere in the building *all* of the projectors shut down, the RTU's are shut off, house lights come on full brightness, emergency exit signs flash, elevators recall & lock open, and a coded message - "the siren tone" with voice egress directions are announced on all speakers. We spend a lot of effort to make all that happen. I want to know why the fire alarm didn't do that. Good question. If the theater lacked any of the protections you mention, that's one (or two or three...) more inactions that lead to almost total liability. If the gas was heavy, then it wouldn't have risen to the ceiling where the smoke detectors most likely were. These are generally fairly high ceilinged areas. Unload your Cinemark stock, double quick. -- America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the *******s."-- Claire Wolfe |
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"Doug" wrote in message ... On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 09:09:32 -0400, " wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:43:29 -0500, "Doug" wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:34:52 -0500, "Atila Iskander" wrote: "Doug" wrote in message m... I haven't heard of that but I did hear that one young man took a fatal bullet to save his girlfriend there. It really makes me sad to think this is almost becoming a common event and whereas before I had no opinion on gun control, I do now but I'll save it for a rainy day. Mass shootings are not that "common an experience" as you imagine This is a far more common experience. Nearly 4 times as common, and no one blathers on about these ? http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/11-dead-12-injured-pickup-truck-loaded-passengers-crashes-trees-rural-south-texas-article-1.1119890 Not common yet...as I said " becoming common" but maybe I should have said "becoming MORE common" as each year goes by. Except it's not. Really, look at the news and think about how many times you heard this sorta thing. The years between these events are getting closer. So you should have no problem demonstrating that with some graph to support your claim Even a sequential list of dates would do as well.. |
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"Doug" wrote in message ... On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 10:11:07 -0400, " wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 08:19:32 -0500, "Doug" wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 09:09:32 -0400, " wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:43:29 -0500, "Doug" wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:34:52 -0500, "Atila Iskander" wrote: "Doug" wrote in message news:522n08t08epc6hn7n8sbck3li1de0a24il@4ax. com... I haven't heard of that but I did hear that one young man took a fatal bullet to save his girlfriend there. It really makes me sad to think this is almost becoming a common event and whereas before I had no opinion on gun control, I do now but I'll save it for a rainy day. Mass shootings are not that "common an experience" as you imagine This is a far more common experience. Nearly 4 times as common, and no one blathers on about these ? http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/11-dead-12-injured-pickup-truck-loaded-passengers-crashes-trees-rural-south-texas-article-1.1119890 Not common yet...as I said " becoming common" but maybe I should have said "becoming MORE common" as each year goes by. Except it's not. Really, look at the news and think about how many times you heard this sorta thing. The years between these events are getting closer. Perfect leftist reply, "look at the news...". Statistics say otherwise. Crime has steadily decreased. They take statistics of horrific acts of violence? Sure go ahead and quote them. And tell that to Chicago !! Goalpost move noted |
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"Doug" wrote in message ... On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:55:02 -0500, "Atila Iskander" wrote: "Doug" wrote in message . .. On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:34:52 -0500, "Atila Iskander" wrote: "Doug" wrote in message m... I haven't heard of that but I did hear that one young man took a fatal bullet to save his girlfriend there. It really makes me sad to think this is almost becoming a common event and whereas before I had no opinion on gun control, I do now but I'll save it for a rainy day. Mass shootings are not that "common an experience" as you imagine This is a far more common experience. Nearly 4 times as common, and no one blathers on about these ? http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/11-dead-12-injured-pickup-truck-loaded-passengers-crashes-trees-rural-south-texas-article-1.1119890 Not common yet...as I said " becoming common" but maybe I should have said "becoming MORE common" as each year goes by. I doubt that they are becoming "more" common But hey, I'll be happy to look at any data to support your claim See my other reply. Your other reply was COMPLETELY BARE OF FACTS to support your claim Try again |
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"Norminn" wrote in message ... On 7/23/2012 8:59 AM, Atila Iskander wrote: "Norminn" wrote in message m... On 7/22/2012 1:13 AM, Doug wrote: I haven't heard of that but I did hear that one young man took a fatal bullet to save his girlfriend there. It really makes me sad to think this is almost becoming a common event and whereas before I had no opinion on gun control, I do now but I'll save it for a rainy day. Why all the drama and sympathy for 12 who were murdered in one attack, when kids are getting their brains blown out every day, by the hundreds? Folks go out and leave a memorial teddy bear or candle, then forget about the victims. Really ? By "the hundreds" you say ?? And where is that happening ?? Don't forget to give us some good cites to support that claim. Hundreds of shootings each year. Chicago. Are there documented accounts of the GOOD GUYS stopping an assault with automatic weapons? Considering that "automatic weapons" are severely restricted, cost a lot of money, and require a bit of effort to obtain, it's highly doubtful that you'll find lots of such incidents But then maybe, it's just a loaded question to skew for your agenda ? Don't have an agenda. Automatic...shoots rapid fire. Semi...gotta pull the trigger more? Or maybe you just don't know the difference between "automatic" and "semi-automatic" and imagine that they are one and the same ? Ah It was ignorance Ok, I'll accept that Come back when you know the difference |
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On 7/23/2012 9:40 AM, Doug Miller wrote:
Norminn wrote in m: Why all the drama and sympathy for 12 who were murdered in one attack, when kids are getting their brains blown out every day, by the hundreds? Where is that happening? Not in the United States, certainly, where the total number of children under the age of 15 killed by firearms -- homicide, suicide, and accident combined -- averages around 350 per *year*. That's less than *one* per day, not the "hundreds" of your imagination. My humble apologies....total murders in Chicago, as of 7/19, only 289. 85% with guns. So, I was way wrong....the stories of little kids being shot just sitting on a porch or a front room are ones that stick in my mind. You might be interested to learn that influenza kills more kids than guns do. I couldn't find a stat that confirms that. Mebbe coughing on someone should be a federal offense? [Source: National Vital Statistics Reports, published annually by the Centers for Disease Control. When you go to look this up, look for "Deaths: Final Data for year".] Are there documented accounts of the GOOD GUYS stopping an assault with automatic weapons? Are there documented accounts of any assaults *occurring* in the United States with automatic weapons? (Hint: educate yourself about the considerable difference between "automatic" and "semi-automatic". You appear just as ignorant of that as you are of the *actual* firearm death rates in this country.) I have a general idea of the difference. Auto, with large magazine, (particularly fascinating for those with gun fetishes) allow killing many more in a much smaller time frame than a six/nine shooter :o) Drugs and guns go hand in hand, so to speak, in relation to crime. Has drug overdose become the leading cause of death? Or only for young people? |
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On 7/21/2012 8:14 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
During the Colorado shooting, wasn't there one person who said "Oh, well, I'm dead anyway" and charged, and tackled the shooter? Or did they all run ad hide? I guess not? Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org . Around the time of the Va Tech shootings, I had a nightmare, which is unusual for me. I had really wondered how that guy killed so many without someone taking him down. Also wondered what I would do. At the time of my nightmare, I had a really painful tendonitis in my shoulder.....sound asleep, nightmare of being held hostage in an office somewhere by a guy with a gun. Woke myself up when I went for the guy with my bad arm :o) In nursing, I've dealt with many emergencies. I could not always list what should be done in a certain situation, but sometimes it just works like one is programmed....yeh, lets DO roll :o) |
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Norminn wrote in
: On 7/23/2012 9:40 AM, Doug Miller wrote: Norminn wrote in m: Why all the drama and sympathy for 12 who were murdered in one attack, when kids are getting their brains blown out every day, by the hundreds? Where is that happening? Not in the United States, certainly, where the total number of children under the age of 15 killed by firearms -- homicide, suicide, and accident combined -- averages around 350 per *year*. That's less than *one* per day, not the "hundreds" of your imagination. My humble apologies....total murders in Chicago, as of 7/19, only 289. How many of those were children? 85% with guns. So, I was way wrong....the stories of little kids being shot just sitting on a porch or a front room are ones that stick in my mind. Yes, you were way wrong. Kids are *not* "getting their brains blown out, every day, by the hundreds" in this country. Every *year* by the hundreds, yes. Every *day*, not even close. I couldn't find a stat that confirms that. Mebbe coughing on someone should be a federal offense? I told you where to find the stats. All you need to do is look. [Source: National Vital Statistics Reports, published annually by the Centers for Disease Control. When you go to look this up, look for "Deaths: Final Data for year".] Are there documented accounts of the GOOD GUYS stopping an assault with automatic weapons? Are there documented accounts of any assaults *occurring* in the United States with automatic weapons? (Hint: educate yourself about the considerable difference between "automatic" and "semi-automatic". You appear just as ignorant of that as you are of the *actual* firearm death rates in this country.) I have a general idea of the difference. Auto, with large magazine, (particularly fascinating for those with gun fetishes) allow killing many more in a much smaller time frame than a six/nine shooter :o) It appears that you don't have *any idea at all* what the difference is. A "six-shooter" is *not* either automatic or semi-automatic. Q: How many firearms crimes are committed in this country with automatic weapons? A: Almost zero. Drugs and guns go hand in hand, so to speak, in relation to crime. Has drug overdose become the leading cause of death? Or only for young people? No, it hasn't. Look, I told you where to find the statistics -- go look it up, and find out for yourself. [NB: drug overdoses are classified as accidental poisonings.] |
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On 2012-07-23, Atila Iskander wrote: Don't forget to give us some good cites to support that claim. What are these "good cities"? Certainly not Paris: Ummmm... he said *cites*, not cities... |
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On 2012-07-23, Doug Miller wrote:
Ummmm... he said *cites*, not cities... DOH! b4 my 1st cuppa joe.... |
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On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 09:38:53 -0500, "Atila Iskander"
wrote: "Doug" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 09:09:32 -0400, " wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:43:29 -0500, "Doug" wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:34:52 -0500, "Atila Iskander" wrote: "Doug" wrote in message om... I haven't heard of that but I did hear that one young man took a fatal bullet to save his girlfriend there. It really makes me sad to think this is almost becoming a common event and whereas before I had no opinion on gun control, I do now but I'll save it for a rainy day. Mass shootings are not that "common an experience" as you imagine This is a far more common experience. Nearly 4 times as common, and no one blathers on about these ? http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/11-dead-12-injured-pickup-truck-loaded-passengers-crashes-trees-rural-south-texas-article-1.1119890 Not common yet...as I said " becoming common" but maybe I should have said "becoming MORE common" as each year goes by. Except it's not. Really, look at the news and think about how many times you heard this sorta thing. The years between these events are getting closer. So you should have no problem demonstrating that with some graph to support your claim Even a sequential list of dates would do as well.. No need, I know I'm right. |
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On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 09:39:24 -0500, "Atila Iskander"
wrote: "Doug" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 10:11:07 -0400, " wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 08:19:32 -0500, "Doug" wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 09:09:32 -0400, " wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:43:29 -0500, "Doug" wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:34:52 -0500, "Atila Iskander" wrote: "Doug" wrote in message news:522n08t08epc6hn7n8sbck3li1de0a24il@4ax .com... I haven't heard of that but I did hear that one young man took a fatal bullet to save his girlfriend there. It really makes me sad to think this is almost becoming a common event and whereas before I had no opinion on gun control, I do now but I'll save it for a rainy day. Mass shootings are not that "common an experience" as you imagine This is a far more common experience. Nearly 4 times as common, and no one blathers on about these ? http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/11-dead-12-injured-pickup-truck-loaded-passengers-crashes-trees-rural-south-texas-article-1.1119890 Not common yet...as I said " becoming common" but maybe I should have said "becoming MORE common" as each year goes by. Except it's not. Really, look at the news and think about how many times you heard this sorta thing. The years between these events are getting closer. Perfect leftist reply, "look at the news...". Statistics say otherwise. Crime has steadily decreased. They take statistics of horrific acts of violence? Sure go ahead and quote them. And tell that to Chicago !! Goalpost move noted LOL |
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On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 09:40:18 -0500, "Atila Iskander"
wrote: "Doug" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:55:02 -0500, "Atila Iskander" wrote: "Doug" wrote in message ... On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:34:52 -0500, "Atila Iskander" wrote: "Doug" wrote in message om... I haven't heard of that but I did hear that one young man took a fatal bullet to save his girlfriend there. It really makes me sad to think this is almost becoming a common event and whereas before I had no opinion on gun control, I do now but I'll save it for a rainy day. Mass shootings are not that "common an experience" as you imagine This is a far more common experience. Nearly 4 times as common, and no one blathers on about these ? http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/11-dead-12-injured-pickup-truck-loaded-passengers-crashes-trees-rural-south-texas-article-1.1119890 Not common yet...as I said " becoming common" but maybe I should have said "becoming MORE common" as each year goes by. I doubt that they are becoming "more" common But hey, I'll be happy to look at any data to support your claim See my other reply. Your other reply was COMPLETELY BARE OF FACTS to support your claim Try again Statistics can be slanted anyway you want if you call those facts. |
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"Doug" wrote in message ... On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 09:40:18 -0500, "Atila Iskander" wrote: "Doug" wrote in message . .. On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:55:02 -0500, "Atila Iskander" wrote: "Doug" wrote in message m... On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:34:52 -0500, "Atila Iskander" wrote: "Doug" wrote in message news:522n08t08epc6hn7n8sbck3li1de0a24il@4ax. com... I haven't heard of that but I did hear that one young man took a fatal bullet to save his girlfriend there. It really makes me sad to think this is almost becoming a common event and whereas before I had no opinion on gun control, I do now but I'll save it for a rainy day. Mass shootings are not that "common an experience" as you imagine This is a far more common experience. Nearly 4 times as common, and no one blathers on about these ? http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/11-dead-12-injured-pickup-truck-loaded-passengers-crashes-trees-rural-south-texas-article-1.1119890 Not common yet...as I said " becoming common" but maybe I should have said "becoming MORE common" as each year goes by. I doubt that they are becoming "more" common But hey, I'll be happy to look at any data to support your claim See my other reply. Your other reply was COMPLETELY BARE OF FACTS to support your claim Try again Statistics can be slanted anyway you want if you call those facts. Weasel response note A simple chronological list is NOT slantable in any way |
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"Norminn" wrote in message ... On 7/23/2012 9:40 AM, Doug Miller wrote: Norminn wrote in m: Why all the drama and sympathy for 12 who were murdered in one attack, when kids are getting their brains blown out every day, by the hundreds? Where is that happening? Not in the United States, certainly, where the total number of children under the age of 15 killed by firearms -- homicide, suicide, and accident combined -- averages around 350 per *year*. That's less than *one* per day, not the "hundreds" of your imagination. My humble apologies....total murders in Chicago, as of 7/19, only 289. 85% with guns. So, I was way wrong....the stories of little kids being shot just sitting on a porch or a front room are ones that stick in my mind. You might be interested to learn that influenza kills more kids than guns do. I couldn't find a stat that confirms that. Mebbe coughing on someone should be a federal offense? [Source: National Vital Statistics Reports, published annually by the Centers for Disease Control. When you go to look this up, look for "Deaths: Final Data for year".] Are there documented accounts of the GOOD GUYS stopping an assault with automatic weapons? Are there documented accounts of any assaults *occurring* in the United States with automatic weapons? (Hint: educate yourself about the considerable difference between "automatic" and "semi-automatic". You appear just as ignorant of that as you are of the *actual* firearm death rates in this country.) I have a general idea of the difference. Auto, with large magazine, (particularly fascinating for those with gun fetishes) allow killing many more in a much smaller time frame than a six/nine shooter :o) Nice weasel response (again) Is that all you can do to cover your ignorance ? Apparently YOU have the "spray and pray" fantasy and need to project it on others Drugs and guns go hand in hand, so to speak, in relation to crime. Has drug overdose become the leading cause of death? Or only for young people? Educate yourself instead of spending time demonstrating your abyssal ignorance |
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"Doug" wrote in message ... On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 09:38:53 -0500, "Atila Iskander" wrote: "Doug" wrote in message . .. On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 09:09:32 -0400, " wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:43:29 -0500, "Doug" wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:34:52 -0500, "Atila Iskander" wrote: "Doug" wrote in message news:522n08t08epc6hn7n8sbck3li1de0a24il@4ax. com... I haven't heard of that but I did hear that one young man took a fatal bullet to save his girlfriend there. It really makes me sad to think this is almost becoming a common event and whereas before I had no opinion on gun control, I do now but I'll save it for a rainy day. Mass shootings are not that "common an experience" as you imagine This is a far more common experience. Nearly 4 times as common, and no one blathers on about these ? http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/11-dead-12-injured-pickup-truck-loaded-passengers-crashes-trees-rural-south-texas-article-1.1119890 Not common yet...as I said " becoming common" but maybe I should have said "becoming MORE common" as each year goes by. Except it's not. Really, look at the news and think about how many times you heard this sorta thing. The years between these events are getting closer. So you should have no problem demonstrating that with some graph to support your claim Even a sequential list of dates would do as well.. No need, I know I'm right. At least you imagine you are Too bad you confuse "imagine" with "know" There is a difference But it's a difference idiots don't comprehend |
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Deucalion wrote: Obstruction of justice also wouldn't fit this scenario. No, but if anyone was injured and you left (even if the accident was the other diver's fault) you probably have some serious problems if the police can find you. Nope. There is no state where a civilian has a duty to stop and give aid. Heck , last I looked there were only three states where a medical professional had a legal duty to render aid (outside of the regular scope of their employment of course) and these were so full of holes as to be practically useless. All of the states I looked at the website you suggested (ten before I got bored) stated very specifically what the requirements were of the DRIVER. Besides this is so far outside of the area we were discussing as to be in the Left Field PARKING LOT instead of merely coming out of left field. Please factor into your equation the Fifth Amendment's provision against mandatory self-incrimination. Irrelevant. Not hardly: In most jurisdictions, the right to remain silent allows ***any person*** questioned by police merely to refuse to answer questions posed by an investigator without giving any reason for doing so. (emphasis mine). Here are the hit and run laws in almost all 50 states. You can pick your flavor. http://www.deadlyroads.com/state-laws.html None of which require you to talk to the cops and that is WAY outside the discussion of people at the Aurora movie. -- America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the *******s."-- Claire Wolfe |
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"Doug" wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 09:40:18 -0500, "Atila Iskander" wrote: "Doug" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:55:02 -0500, "Atila Iskander" wrote: "Doug" wrote in message ... On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:34:52 -0500, "Atila Iskander" wrote: "Doug" wrote in message om... I haven't heard of that but I did hear that one young man took a fatal bullet to save his girlfriend there. It really makes me sad to think this is almost becoming a common event and whereas before I had no opinion on gun control, I do now but I'll save it for a rainy day. Mass shootings are not that "common an experience" as you imagine This is a far more common experience. Nearly 4 times as common, and no one blathers on about these ? http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...ed-pickup-truc k-loaded-passengers-crashes-trees-rural-south-texas-article-1.1119890 Not common yet...as I said " becoming common" but maybe I should have said "becoming MORE common" as each year goes by. I doubt that they are becoming "more" common But hey, I'll be happy to look at any data to support your claim See my other reply. Your other reply was COMPLETELY BARE OF FACTS to support your claim Try again Statistics can be slanted anyway you want if you call those facts. But is SO much easier slant the absence of facts such as your tactic. -- America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the *******s."-- Claire Wolfe |
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On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 11:23:48 -0500, "Atila Iskander"
wrote: "Doug" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 09:40:18 -0500, "Atila Iskander" wrote: "Doug" wrote in message ... On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:55:02 -0500, "Atila Iskander" wrote: "Doug" wrote in message om... On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:34:52 -0500, "Atila Iskander" wrote: "Doug" wrote in message news:522n08t08epc6hn7n8sbck3li1de0a24il@4ax .com... I haven't heard of that but I did hear that one young man took a fatal bullet to save his girlfriend there. It really makes me sad to think this is almost becoming a common event and whereas before I had no opinion on gun control, I do now but I'll save it for a rainy day. Mass shootings are not that "common an experience" as you imagine This is a far more common experience. Nearly 4 times as common, and no one blathers on about these ? http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/11-dead-12-injured-pickup-truck-loaded-passengers-crashes-trees-rural-south-texas-article-1.1119890 Not common yet...as I said " becoming common" but maybe I should have said "becoming MORE common" as each year goes by. I doubt that they are becoming "more" common But hey, I'll be happy to look at any data to support your claim See my other reply. Your other reply was COMPLETELY BARE OF FACTS to support your claim Try again Statistics can be slanted anyway you want if you call those facts. Weasel response note A simple chronological list is NOT slantable in any way Sure I could do this but then you'd get into definitions or sources of information. Nope, not doing that. |
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 23:22:39 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote: Given the amount of ballistic protection that the guy had, I doubt that one person with a pistol would have been able to do much. Head shot. ^_^ TDD Eye ball Front tooth Arm pit when wearing armor -- raised arms, a shot in the arm pit will take his lungs and heart. (I know of such a case) Shame it was a LEO killed dashing for cover and caught a round in his arm pit. -- |
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On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 12:35:25 -0400, Kurt Ullman
wrote: In article , "Doug" wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 09:40:18 -0500, "Atila Iskander" wrote: "Doug" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:55:02 -0500, "Atila Iskander" wrote: "Doug" wrote in message ... On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:34:52 -0500, "Atila Iskander" wrote: "Doug" wrote in message om... I haven't heard of that but I did hear that one young man took a fatal bullet to save his girlfriend there. It really makes me sad to think this is almost becoming a common event and whereas before I had no opinion on gun control, I do now but I'll save it for a rainy day. Mass shootings are not that "common an experience" as you imagine This is a far more common experience. Nearly 4 times as common, and no one blathers on about these ? http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...ed-pickup-truc k-loaded-passengers-crashes-trees-rural-south-texas-article-1.1119890 Not common yet...as I said " becoming common" but maybe I should have said "becoming MORE common" as each year goes by. I doubt that they are becoming "more" common But hey, I'll be happy to look at any data to support your claim See my other reply. Your other reply was COMPLETELY BARE OF FACTS to support your claim Try again Statistics can be slanted anyway you want if you call those facts. But is SO much easier slant the absence of facts such as your tactic. If that's what you think, sure. |
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On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 11:28:15 -0500, "Atila Iskander"
wrote: "Doug" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 09:38:53 -0500, "Atila Iskander" wrote: "Doug" wrote in message ... On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 09:09:32 -0400, " wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:43:29 -0500, "Doug" wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:34:52 -0500, "Atila Iskander" wrote: "Doug" wrote in message news:522n08t08epc6hn7n8sbck3li1de0a24il@4ax .com... I haven't heard of that but I did hear that one young man took a fatal bullet to save his girlfriend there. It really makes me sad to think this is almost becoming a common event and whereas before I had no opinion on gun control, I do now but I'll save it for a rainy day. Mass shootings are not that "common an experience" as you imagine This is a far more common experience. Nearly 4 times as common, and no one blathers on about these ? http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/11-dead-12-injured-pickup-truck-loaded-passengers-crashes-trees-rural-south-texas-article-1.1119890 Not common yet...as I said " becoming common" but maybe I should have said "becoming MORE common" as each year goes by. Except it's not. Really, look at the news and think about how many times you heard this sorta thing. The years between these events are getting closer. So you should have no problem demonstrating that with some graph to support your claim Even a sequential list of dates would do as well.. No need, I know I'm right. At least you imagine you are Too bad you confuse "imagine" with "know" There is a difference But it's a difference idiots don't comprehend Oh now the name calling when you can't convince someone. LOL |
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On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 09:49:36 -0400, Norminn
wrote: Hundreds of shootings each year. Chicago. A fine example that gun control does not work. A town run by Democrats. -- |
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"Doug" wrote in message ... On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 11:28:15 -0500, "Atila Iskander" wrote: "Doug" wrote in message . .. On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 09:38:53 -0500, "Atila Iskander" wrote: "Doug" wrote in message m... On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 09:09:32 -0400, " wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:43:29 -0500, "Doug" wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:34:52 -0500, "Atila Iskander" wrote: "Doug" wrote in message news:522n08t08epc6hn7n8sbck3li1de0a24il@4a x.com... I haven't heard of that but I did hear that one young man took a fatal bullet to save his girlfriend there. It really makes me sad to think this is almost becoming a common event and whereas before I had no opinion on gun control, I do now but I'll save it for a rainy day. Mass shootings are not that "common an experience" as you imagine This is a far more common experience. Nearly 4 times as common, and no one blathers on about these ? http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/11-dead-12-injured-pickup-truck-loaded-passengers-crashes-trees-rural-south-texas-article-1.1119890 Not common yet...as I said " becoming common" but maybe I should have said "becoming MORE common" as each year goes by. Except it's not. Really, look at the news and think about how many times you heard this sorta thing. The years between these events are getting closer. So you should have no problem demonstrating that with some graph to support your claim Even a sequential list of dates would do as well.. No need, I know I'm right. At least you imagine you are Too bad you confuse "imagine" with "know" There is a difference But it's a difference idiots don't comprehend Oh now the name calling when you can't convince someone. LOL I'm not trying to convince you of anything You fit perfectly Ronald Reagan's aphorism "It's not that our friends on the left are ignorant.. It's just that so much of what they know is wrong." You're an idiot because instead of verifying what you believe, you simple presume that you are right in your belief |
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"Doug" wrote in message ... On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 11:23:48 -0500, "Atila Iskander" wrote: "Doug" wrote in message . .. On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 09:40:18 -0500, "Atila Iskander" wrote: "Doug" wrote in message m... On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:55:02 -0500, "Atila Iskander" wrote: "Doug" wrote in message news:1khq085fumdekq0upb7vn8jpve33akj90o@4ax. com... On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:34:52 -0500, "Atila Iskander" wrote: "Doug" wrote in message news:522n08t08epc6hn7n8sbck3li1de0a24il@4a x.com... I haven't heard of that but I did hear that one young man took a fatal bullet to save his girlfriend there. It really makes me sad to think this is almost becoming a common event and whereas before I had no opinion on gun control, I do now but I'll save it for a rainy day. Mass shootings are not that "common an experience" as you imagine This is a far more common experience. Nearly 4 times as common, and no one blathers on about these ? http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/11-dead-12-injured-pickup-truck-loaded-passengers-crashes-trees-rural-south-texas-article-1.1119890 Not common yet...as I said " becoming common" but maybe I should have said "becoming MORE common" as each year goes by. I doubt that they are becoming "more" common But hey, I'll be happy to look at any data to support your claim See my other reply. Your other reply was COMPLETELY BARE OF FACTS to support your claim Try again Statistics can be slanted anyway you want if you call those facts. Weasel response note A simple chronological list is NOT slantable in any way Sure I could do this but then you'd get into definitions or sources of information. Nope, not doing that. Keep running away |
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"Doug" wrote in message ... On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 12:35:25 -0400, Kurt Ullman wrote: In article , "Doug" wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 09:40:18 -0500, "Atila Iskander" wrote: "Doug" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:55:02 -0500, "Atila Iskander" wrote: "Doug" wrote in message ... On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:34:52 -0500, "Atila Iskander" wrote: "Doug" wrote in message om... I haven't heard of that but I did hear that one young man took a fatal bullet to save his girlfriend there. It really makes me sad to think this is almost becoming a common event and whereas before I had no opinion on gun control, I do now but I'll save it for a rainy day. Mass shootings are not that "common an experience" as you imagine This is a far more common experience. Nearly 4 times as common, and no one blathers on about these ? http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...ed-pickup-truc k-loaded-passengers-crashes-trees-rural-south-texas-article-1.1119890 Not common yet...as I said " becoming common" but maybe I should have said "becoming MORE common" as each year goes by. I doubt that they are becoming "more" common But hey, I'll be happy to look at any data to support your claim See my other reply. Your other reply was COMPLETELY BARE OF FACTS to support your claim Try again Statistics can be slanted anyway you want if you call those facts. But is SO much easier slant the absence of facts such as your tactic. If that's what you think, sure. Just for the record, we KNOW the data We just wanted to see how far you would push it before running away. |
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 20:14:37 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote: During the Colorado shooting, wasn't there one person who said "Oh, well, I'm dead anyway" and charged, and tackled the shooter? Or did they all run ad hide? I guess not? Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org . And why is this being posted to alt.home.repair? |
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On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 12:40:57 -0400, Deucalion wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 12:34:38 -0400, Kurt Ullman wrote: In article , Deucalion wrote: Obstruction of justice also wouldn't fit this scenario. No, but if anyone was injured and you left (even if the accident was the other diver's fault) you probably have some serious problems if the police can find you. Nope. There is no state where a civilian has a duty to stop and give aid. Heck , last I looked there were only three states where a medical professional had a legal duty to render aid (outside of the regular scope of their employment of course) and these were so full of holes as to be practically useless. All of the states I looked at the website you suggested (ten before I got bored) stated very specifically what the requirements were of the DRIVER. Besides this is so far outside of the area we were discussing as to be in the Left Field PARKING LOT instead of merely coming out of left field. I thought the thread had morphed to talking about leaving the scene of an accident when someone ran a car off the road after the driver of the other car had shot at them. It did. Some don't like to read before spouting off, though. I didn't see any exceptions in the law that allowed someone to not only leave the scene, but also not report their part in the altercation. Exactly. |
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On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 12:28:16 -0400, Deucalion wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 00:24:47 -0400, " wrote: On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 23:00:00 -0400, Deucalion wrote: On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 08:33:27 -0700 (PDT), Evan wrote: On Jul 22, 7:58*am, "Stormin Mormon" wrote: The "lets roll" guy thought he was on air plane ride. Got to be prepared to take action, when the moment happens. *Why would a guy with a CC */ CHL permit be any different than the unprepared sheeple? (Training, mindset, preparation, and....) Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus *www.lds.org . "Richard" wrote in message m... I think it's a little unfair to ask that of civilians. They thought they were going to a movie. But one guy with a CC permit and a clear line of fire might have saved some lives that day. ROFL... Seriously ? Those careful planners who go off on these shooting sprees rarely envision resistance so if anyone had begun shooting back he could have stopped and fled... To say that only a police officer with training and experience could have done anything: I say bull****... There are just as many cases where the police shoot innocent people who are bystanders or completely air condition a suspect's car when one or two shots is all that was called for... Given the amount of ballistic protection that the guy had, I doubt that one person with a pistol would have been able to do much. Did he? They say that he did. http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/07/midnight_movie_massacre_colora.html Oates said the gunman wore a gas mask and a ballistic helmet and vest, I heard others say that it was clothing that *looked* like SWAT gear, that he didn't have armor. as well as leg, groin and throat protectors. He said among the guns was an AR-15 rifle and that the gunman used two gas canisters. |
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" wrote: I heard others say that it was clothing that *looked* like SWAT gear, that he didn't have armor. The first press conference (about 12 hours after the hooha first broke out) the Chief specifically stated that the vest, helmet, legging, groin and throat protectors were all either tactical or ballistic (and IIRC the vest was termed as both). Don't know if that had changed since then. -- America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the *******s."-- Claire Wolfe |
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