Looking for informed opinions on Troy Bilt lawn mowers. Have the opportunity
to purchase a couple of different models on sale. Both are in models with
Honda 160cc motors. One is a push the other is a self propelled.

On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:38:21 -0300, "don &/or Lucille"
wrote:

Looking for informed opinions on Troy Bilt lawn mowers. Have the opportunity
to purchase a couple of different models on sale. Both are in models with
Honda 160cc motors. One is a push the other is a self propelled.


I don't know much about Troybuilt, but Honda makes a decent engine.

"don &/or Lucille" wrote in message
...
Looking for informed opinions on Troy Bilt lawn mowers. Have the
opportunity to purchase a couple of different models on sale. Both are in
models with Honda 160cc motors. One is a push the other is a self
propelled.


Check May's issue of Consumer's Report--whole section on lawn mowers. Push
mowers: Troy-Bilt TB-110 11A-A23N is listed 3rd out of 19 (Best Buy).
Troy-Bilt 11A-B29Q is listed 9th (Recommended).
Self propelled models, (Multi-speed) are 9th, 10th, 18th, 21st, 23rd and
24th out of 28. (Single Speed) 10th out of 13. None of the Self propelled
have a Best Buy or Recommended notation. I think that Lowes sells this
brand.
Craftsman models are right up there with Troy-Bilt
MLD

On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:54:28 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:38:21 -0300, "don &/or Lucille"
wrote:

Looking for informed opinions on Troy Bilt lawn mowers. Have the opportunity
to purchase a couple of different models on sale. Both are in models with
Honda 160cc motors. One is a push the other is a self propelled.


I don't know much about Troybuilt, but Honda makes a decent engine.
Troybilt today is not the troybilt of yesterday. It has been taken
over by MTD and cheapened like everything else they make.

On 4/18/2012 4:38 PM, don &/or Lucille wrote:
Looking for informed opinions on Troy Bilt lawn mowers. Have the opportunity
to purchase a couple of different models on sale. Both are in models with
Honda 160cc motors. One is a push the other is a self propelled.



Troy Bilt is prolly one of the better Chinese brands.

Don't worry about the trade deficit, your grandchildren can pay it off.

On 4/18/2012 6:02 PM, MLD wrote:

"don &/or Lucille" wrote in message
...
Looking for informed opinions on Troy Bilt lawn mowers. Have the
opportunity to purchase a couple of different models on sale. Both are
in models with Honda 160cc motors. One is a push the other is a self
propelled.


Check May's issue of Consumer's Report--whole section on lawn mowers.
Push mowers: Troy-Bilt TB-110 11A-A23N is listed 3rd out of 19 (Best
Buy). Troy-Bilt 11A-B29Q is listed 9th (Recommended).
Self propelled models, (Multi-speed) are 9th, 10th, 18th, 21st, 23rd and
24th out of 28. (Single Speed) 10th out of 13. None of the Self
propelled have a Best Buy or Recommended notation. I think that Lowes
sells this brand.
Craftsman models are right up there with Troy-Bilt
MLD


I thought Craftsman was made by Troy-Bilt's parent MTD? They should be
very similar.

On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 21:03:56 -0400, Sum Ting Wong
wrote:




Troy Bilt is prolly one of the better Chinese brands.

Don't worry about the trade deficit, your grandchildren can pay it off.

You mean we should buy American? The last John Deere I bought had a
Kawasaki engine.

On 4/18/2012 9:43 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 21:03:56 -0400, Sum Ting Wong
wrote:




Troy Bilt is prolly one of the better Chinese brands.

Don't worry about the trade deficit, your grandchildren can pay it off.

You mean we should buy American? The last John Deere I bought had a
Kawasaki engine.


My John Deere has a BS engine but the whole mower/tractor is junk. I
want to purchase a MTD with a Honda engine....seems like the best
combination.

On Apr 18, 8:20*pm, IGot2P wrote:
On 4/18/2012 9:43 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 21:03:56 -0400, Sum Ting Wong
*wrote:

Troy Bilt is prolly one of the better Chinese brands.

Don't worry about the trade deficit, your grandchildren can pay it off..

You mean we should buy American? *The last John Deere I bought had a
Kawasaki engine.

My John Deere has a BS engine but the whole mower/tractor is junk. I
want to purchase a MTD with a Honda engine....seems like the best
combination.

For the best mower buy Honda. Of course that is not US made.

Harry K

On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 22:43:16 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 21:03:56 -0400, Sum Ting Wong
wrote:




Troy Bilt is prolly one of the better Chinese brands.

Don't worry about the trade deficit, your grandchildren can pay it off.

You mean we should buy American? The last John Deere I bought had a
Kawasaki engine.
Honda engines sold in America are almost all made in America. Kaws
are not as far as I know - but you can't say just by the name where
something is made any more.

On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 20:26:28 -0700 (PDT), Harry K
wrote:

On Apr 18, 8:20Â*pm, IGot2P wrote:
On 4/18/2012 9:43 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 21:03:56 -0400, Sum Ting Wong
Â*wrote:

Troy Bilt is prolly one of the better Chinese brands.

Don't worry about the trade deficit, your grandchildren can pay it off.

You mean we should buy American? Â*The last John Deere I bought had a
Kawasaki engine.

My John Deere has a BS engine but the whole mower/tractor is junk. I
want to purchase a MTD with a Honda engine....seems like the best
combination.

For the best mower buy Honda. Of course that is not US made.

Harry K
Don't bet on it, Harry. Interesting to observe, NO Honda Lawn Mowers
are built in Japan.

From Honda Power's web-site: Honda manufactures approximately 500
thousand lawnmowers per year in the United States, France, Australia,
China and Italy*, and supplies them to Australia and other countries
in addition to the two largest markets: North America and Europe.
Local production began at an early stage, starting in the United
States in 1984 and in France in 1986,

On Apr 18, 4:38*pm, "don &/or Lucille"
wrote:
Looking for informed opinions on Troy Bilt lawn mowers. Have the opportunity
to purchase a couple of different models on sale. Both are in models with
Honda 160cc motors. One is a push the other is a self propelled.

I do a lot of work on small engines. Mostly Motorcycles and ATV's, but
I do get a lot of mowers too. Here's my take........

Whether it is a Briggs engine or a Honda engine doesn't matter if you
do the required maintenance and do it properly. If you are the type of
person that don't do the maintenence, again, it doesn't matter because
ti will blow up anyway. Only you can make that call. Engines when
properly maintained, will out live the rest of the mower.

The things that do go wrong with push mowers are mainly wheels and
rusted bodys. Bodys need cleaned and wheels need lubed. The thicker
the metal is, the longer it will take to rust out ( if that could be a
concern).

Push vs sef-propelled......... You're not getting any younger. So if
you plan on staying in the house where you are for many years to come,
get the self-propelled. You'll thank me later. However, if you plan on
moving into a condo in the next couple years, get the push.

Hank ~~~~ just using logic

On 4/18/2012 10:43 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 21:03:56 -0400, Sum Ting Wong
wrote:




Troy Bilt is prolly one of the better Chinese brands.

Don't worry about the trade deficit, your grandchildren can pay it off.

You mean we should buy American? The last John Deere I bought had a
Kawasaki engine.


The Kohler Command Pro engine on my Exmark was made in the USA.

Excellent motor too!

On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 23:45:22 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 22:43:16 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 21:03:56 -0400, Sum Ting Wong
wrote:




Troy Bilt is prolly one of the better Chinese brands.

Don't worry about the trade deficit, your grandchildren can pay it off.

You mean we should buy American? The last John Deere I bought had a
Kawasaki engine.
Honda engines sold in America are almost all made in America. Kaws
are not as far as I know - but you can't say just by the name where
something is made any more.

My car is 48% US parts and assembled in the US. Last time I was
looking at forklift trucks, I narrowed the choice to the Japanese
brand made in the US or the US brand with the Japanese engine.

On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 01:02:52 -0700 (PDT), Hank
wrote:


Push vs sef-propelled......... You're not getting any younger. So if
you plan on staying in the house where you are for many years to come,
get the self-propelled. You'll thank me later. However, if you plan on
moving into a condo in the next couple years, get the push.

Hank ~~~~ just using logic

My first mower was self propelled and it was just another source of
problems. It had to be fixed twice and the last time I just gave up
and pushed. Next mower was push and it is easier to push a push mower
than a broken self propelled.

Bought a new mower last year at age 65 and got the self propelled
again.

On Apr 19, 5:51*am, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 01:02:52 -0700 (PDT), Hank
wrote:



Push vs sef-propelled......... You're not getting any younger. So if
you plan on staying in the house where you are for many years to come,
get the self-propelled. You'll thank me later. However, if you plan on
moving into a condo in the next couple years, get the push.

Hank ~~~~ just using logic

My first mower was self propelled and it was just another source of
problems. *It had to be fixed twice and the last time I just gave up
and pushed. *Next mower was push and it is easier to push a push mower
than a broken self propelled.

Bought a new mower last year at age 65 and got the self propelled
again.

I turn 64 next month. Most things I buy today will last longer than I
will. It's funny how our logic changes as we age. :-)

Hank

On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 05:03:56 -0700 (PDT), Hank
wrote:

On Apr 19, 5:51*am, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 01:02:52 -0700 (PDT), Hank
wrote:



Push vs sef-propelled......... You're not getting any younger. So if
you plan on staying in the house where you are for many years to come,
get the self-propelled. You'll thank me later. However, if you plan on
moving into a condo in the next couple years, get the push.

Hank ~~~~ just using logic

My first mower was self propelled and it was just another source of
problems. *It had to be fixed twice and the last time I just gave up
and pushed. *Next mower was push and it is easier to push a push mower
than a broken self propelled.

Bought a new mower last year at age 65 and got the self propelled
again.

I turn 64 next month. Most things I buy today will last longer than I
will. It's funny how our logic changes as we age. :-)

Hank


Hank, you are RIGHT.
I'm a bit younger tho not much and when I hear that some item I'm
buying carries a lifetime warrantee, I chuckle inside because I ask
myself... my life or theirs? Never did this before so age does bring
a different outlook on things.

Hank writes:

Push vs sef-propelled......... You're not getting any younger. So if
you plan on staying in the house where you are for many years to come,
get the self-propelled. You'll thank me later. However, if you plan on
moving into a condo in the next couple years, get the push.

As others have replied, human propelled is way more reliable.
As we age, we need to continue to be active to stay healthy.

Unless you're dealing with multiple acres, keep your feet on
the ground and keep pushing that mower. If mowing the lawn
tires you out, that's a good sign you need to keep pushing
that mower.

66 now.

Sort of fondly remember the days when there were no motors on our
mowers.

--
Dan Espen

On Apr 18, 8:49*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 20:26:28 -0700 (PDT), Harry K





wrote:
On Apr 18, 8:20*pm, IGot2P wrote:
On 4/18/2012 9:43 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 21:03:56 -0400, Sum Ting Wong
*wrote:

Troy Bilt is prolly one of the better Chinese brands.

Don't worry about the trade deficit, your grandchildren can pay it off.

You mean we should buy American? *The last John Deere I bought had a
Kawasaki engine.

My John Deere has a BS engine but the whole mower/tractor is junk. I
want to purchase a MTD with a Honda engine....seems like the best
combination.

For the best mower buy Honda. *Of course that is not US made.

Harry K

Don't bet on it, Harry. Interesting to observe, NO Honda Lawn Mowers
are built in Japan.

From Honda Power's web-site: *Honda manufactures approximately 500
thousand lawnmowers per year in the United States, France, Australia,
China and Italy*, and supplies them to Australia and other countries
in addition to the two largest markets: North America and Europe.
Local production began at an early stage, starting in the United
States in 1984 and in France in 1986,

Interesting. I bought my first one 40 years ago, wore the rubbers off
the drive wheels twice, replaced one spark plug and a clutch cable.
Still usign it as my trim mower (bought at rider 5 years ago), still
starts first pull every time. Of course that is the "good" Honda
engine, not the cheapened version you see on non-Honda badged
products.
That may have been Japanese origin. Dunno if Honda had any production
facitlty for mowers here at that time - probably did as Honda bikes
were everywhere.

I bought another one back in the late 90s figuring it to replace the
origintl "when it wers out". Used it twice and it is now mothballed
in the shed.

Harry K

On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:56:01 -0400, Dan Espen
wrote:

Hank writes:

Push vs sef-propelled......... You're not getting any younger. So if
you plan on staying in the house where you are for many years to come,
get the self-propelled. You'll thank me later. However, if you plan on
moving into a condo in the next couple years, get the push.

As others have replied, human propelled is way more reliable.
As we age, we need to continue to be active to stay healthy.

Unless you're dealing with multiple acres, keep your feet on
the ground and keep pushing that mower. If mowing the lawn
tires you out, that's a good sign you need to keep pushing
that mower.

66 now.

Sort of fondly remember the days when there were no motors on our
mowers.


Ah yes, remember that a tad. When I lived in Queens, NYC, we had a
small lawn and we used a push grass cutter (no motor) ... forgot what
we called it then. When we lived on LI, NY, we had a gas powered
push mower. Fortunately both lawns were on level ground. Can't
imagine the fun it would be when it's not level but that would surely
burn calories. Thanks for reminding me !!

"Doug" writes:

On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:56:01 -0400, Dan Espen
wrote:

Hank writes:

Push vs sef-propelled......... You're not getting any younger. So if
you plan on staying in the house where you are for many years to come,
get the self-propelled. You'll thank me later. However, if you plan on
moving into a condo in the next couple years, get the push.

As others have replied, human propelled is way more reliable.
As we age, we need to continue to be active to stay healthy.

Unless you're dealing with multiple acres, keep your feet on
the ground and keep pushing that mower. If mowing the lawn
tires you out, that's a good sign you need to keep pushing
that mower.

66 now.

Sort of fondly remember the days when there were no motors on our
mowers.

Ah yes, remember that a tad. When I lived in Queens, NYC, we had a
small lawn and we used a push grass cutter (no motor) ... forgot what
we called it then. When we lived on LI, NY, we had a gas powered
push mower. Fortunately both lawns were on level ground. Can't
imagine the fun it would be when it's not level but that would surely
burn calories. Thanks for reminding me !!

Bronx.

Reel mowers. Most neighbors had steel wheels.
We had rubber wheels because the only way into our backyard
was through the house.

I mowed the front and back. Not that tiny.
I used to do neighbors back lawn for a quarter.
As a kid I could never understand what she wanted me to do to the
edges of the lawn, she always complained but she paid me anyway.

Those things did not cooperate when the lawn got too tall.

--
Dan Espen

On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 15:42:13 -0400, Dan Espen
wrote:



Those things did not cooperate when the lawn got too tall.

Or if you hit a twig.
But I liked the snickering sound they made as they lopped the grass
blades, and the whir or the reel when you stopped forward motion.

--
Vic

"don &/or Lucille" wrote in message
...

Looking for informed opinions on Troy Bilt lawn mowers. Have the opportunity
to purchase a couple of different models on sale. Both are in models with
Honda 160cc motors. One is a push the other is a self propelled.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Honda makes good motors, and 99.9% of a lawn mower is the motor.

Troy Bilt, as a brand, is pure ****, and I wouldn't buy anything with their
name on it. Most of their stuff is made by MTD, and calling them **** is an
insult to ****.

You probably won't go wrong with one of their mowers, especially if the
price is right. The self propelled is a bit more complex, and eventually it
will need parts replaced. You'll have a hard time doing that with this
brand.

Still, most likely you'll see a decade or more of good use.

CS

On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:56:01 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:

Hank writes:

Push vs sef-propelled......... You're not getting any younger. So if
you plan on staying in the house where you are for many years to come,
get the self-propelled. You'll thank me later. However, if you plan on
moving into a condo in the next couple years, get the push.

As others have replied, human propelled is way more reliable.
As we age, we need to continue to be active to stay healthy.

Unless you're dealing with multiple acres, keep your feet on
the ground and keep pushing that mower. If mowing the lawn
tires you out, that's a good sign you need to keep pushing
that mower.

I don't mind pushing the mower but my knee sure doesn't agree.

66 now.

Sort of fondly remember the days when there were no motors on our
mowers.

I'll be 60 this year, and while I've seen push mowers, our family has never
owned one.

" writes:

On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:56:01 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:

Hank writes:

Push vs sef-propelled......... You're not getting any younger. So if
you plan on staying in the house where you are for many years to come,
get the self-propelled. You'll thank me later. However, if you plan on
moving into a condo in the next couple years, get the push.

As others have replied, human propelled is way more reliable.
As we age, we need to continue to be active to stay healthy.

Unless you're dealing with multiple acres, keep your feet on
the ground and keep pushing that mower. If mowing the lawn
tires you out, that's a good sign you need to keep pushing
that mower.

I don't mind pushing the mower but my knee sure doesn't agree.

Sorry to hear it.

If you're lucky, continued pushing or other exercise might cure that knee.
My feet and back used to hurt then I started pushing myself harder.


--
Dan Espen

On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 20:29:48 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:

" writes:

On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:56:01 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:

Hank writes:

Push vs sef-propelled......... You're not getting any younger. So if
you plan on staying in the house where you are for many years to come,
get the self-propelled. You'll thank me later. However, if you plan on
moving into a condo in the next couple years, get the push.

As others have replied, human propelled is way more reliable.
As we age, we need to continue to be active to stay healthy.

Unless you're dealing with multiple acres, keep your feet on
the ground and keep pushing that mower. If mowing the lawn
tires you out, that's a good sign you need to keep pushing
that mower.

I don't mind pushing the mower but my knee sure doesn't agree.

Sorry to hear it.

If you're lucky, continued pushing or other exercise might cure that knee.
My feet and back used to hurt then I started pushing myself harder.

Don't be silly. Arthritis doesn't get better with use.

On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 05:03:56 -0700 (PDT), Hank
wrote:

On Apr 19, 5:51Â*am, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 01:02:52 -0700 (PDT), Hank
wrote:



Push vs sef-propelled......... You're not getting any younger. So if
you plan on staying in the house where you are for many years to come,
get the self-propelled. You'll thank me later. However, if you plan on
moving into a condo in the next couple years, get the push.

Hank ~~~~ just using logic

My first mower was self propelled and it was just another source of
problems. Â*It had to be fixed twice and the last time I just gave up
and pushed. Â*Next mower was push and it is easier to push a push mower
than a broken self propelled.

Bought a new mower last year at age 65 and got the self propelled
again.

I turn 64 next month. Most things I buy today will last longer than I
will. It's funny how our logic changes as we age. :-)

Hank
My "antique" lawn mower is a self propelled high-wheeler. The
highwheel is very easy to push, so I very seldom actually use the self
propelled feature. I generally mow faster than the self propelled will
go. It is a 25 incher with 20 inch bicycle tires on the back - tubular
steel frame - and the old deck rusted trough so I installed stainless
steel. The late sixties/early seventies Briggs 3.5HP motor (same size
as a 5) finally died last year so I installed a "chinese kit engine"
honda clone 6.5 HP OHV. Uses less gas than the old 3.5. At 60, this
mower has a good chance of outlasting me.

On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 15:42:13 -0400, Dan Espen
wrote:

"Doug" writes:

On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:56:01 -0400, Dan Espen
wrote:

Hank writes:

Push vs sef-propelled......... You're not getting any younger. So if
you plan on staying in the house where you are for many years to come,
get the self-propelled. You'll thank me later. However, if you plan on
moving into a condo in the next couple years, get the push.

As others have replied, human propelled is way more reliable.
As we age, we need to continue to be active to stay healthy.

Unless you're dealing with multiple acres, keep your feet on
the ground and keep pushing that mower. If mowing the lawn
tires you out, that's a good sign you need to keep pushing
that mower.

66 now.

Sort of fondly remember the days when there were no motors on our
mowers.

Ah yes, remember that a tad. When I lived in Queens, NYC, we had a
small lawn and we used a push grass cutter (no motor) ... forgot what
we called it then. When we lived on LI, NY, we had a gas powered
push mower. Fortunately both lawns were on level ground. Can't
imagine the fun it would be when it's not level but that would surely
burn calories. Thanks for reminding me !!

Bronx.

Reel mowers. Most neighbors had steel wheels.
We had rubber wheels because the only way into our backyard
was through the house.

I mowed the front and back. Not that tiny.
I used to do neighbors back lawn for a quarter.
As a kid I could never understand what she wanted me to do to the
edges of the lawn, she always complained but she paid me anyway.

Those things did not cooperate when the lawn got too tall.
Or a tad wet. Particularly the "steelies" which had no wet traction at
all.

" writes:

On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 20:29:48 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:

" writes:

On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:56:01 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:

Hank writes:

Push vs sef-propelled......... You're not getting any younger. So if
you plan on staying in the house where you are for many years to come,
get the self-propelled. You'll thank me later. However, if you plan on
moving into a condo in the next couple years, get the push.

As others have replied, human propelled is way more reliable.
As we age, we need to continue to be active to stay healthy.

Unless you're dealing with multiple acres, keep your feet on
the ground and keep pushing that mower. If mowing the lawn
tires you out, that's a good sign you need to keep pushing
that mower.

I don't mind pushing the mower but my knee sure doesn't agree.

Sorry to hear it.

If you're lucky, continued pushing or other exercise might cure that knee.
My feet and back used to hurt then I started pushing myself harder.

Don't be silly. Arthritis doesn't get better with use.

That's what the doctor told me.
He x-rayed my back, said he saw mild arthritis and there was nothing
he could do.

My feet hurt for years and they had no idea why.

Then I rented an electric jack hammer, built a patio,
deck, fence, started running.

Not to make light of your issues.
Some things called arthritis don't get better.

I wish it was that simple for everyone.
For me, I just had to push myself more.

--
Dan Espen

On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 05:03:56 -0700 (PDT), Hank
wrote:


I turn 64 next month. Most things I buy today will last longer than I
will. It's funny how our logic changes as we age. :-)

Hank

When it came time for a new roof a few years back, I had a choice of
20 year or 30 year shingles. I rolled the dice and figured the 30
year may outlast me and I'd not want to have that expense replacing
the 20 year when I'm retired and in my late 70's.

On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 20:34:26 -0400, "
wrote:



If you're lucky, continued pushing or other exercise might cure that knee.
My feet and back used to hurt then I started pushing myself harder.

Don't be silly. Arthritis doesn't get better with use.

Very true, but if you stop moving, it will get worse and you have even
less movement and more pain.

On 4/19/2012 5:40 PM, CS wrote:
"don &/or Lucille" wrote in message
...

Looking for informed opinions on Troy Bilt lawn mowers. Have the
opportunity
to purchase a couple of different models on sale. Both are in models with
Honda 160cc motors. One is a push the other is a self propelled.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Honda makes good motors, and 99.9% of a lawn mower is the motor.

Troy Bilt, as a brand, is pure ****, and I wouldn't buy anything with
their name on it. Most of their stuff is made by MTD, and calling
them **** is an insult to ****.

LOL. My Troy Bilt 6.75 hp has been trouble free for 8 seasons now. The
*only* things I've done is sharpen the blade and fill it with petrol. I
guess I hit the lottery.

Jim

On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 20:55:26 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:

" writes:

On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 20:29:48 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:

" writes:

On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:56:01 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:

Hank writes:

Push vs sef-propelled......... You're not getting any younger. So if
you plan on staying in the house where you are for many years to come,
get the self-propelled. You'll thank me later. However, if you plan on
moving into a condo in the next couple years, get the push.

As others have replied, human propelled is way more reliable.
As we age, we need to continue to be active to stay healthy.

Unless you're dealing with multiple acres, keep your feet on
the ground and keep pushing that mower. If mowing the lawn
tires you out, that's a good sign you need to keep pushing
that mower.

I don't mind pushing the mower but my knee sure doesn't agree.

Sorry to hear it.

If you're lucky, continued pushing or other exercise might cure that knee.
My feet and back used to hurt then I started pushing myself harder.

Don't be silly. Arthritis doesn't get better with use.

That's what the doctor told me.
He x-rayed my back, said he saw mild arthritis and there was nothing
he could do.

My feet hurt for years and they had no idea why.

Then I rented an electric jack hammer, built a patio,
deck, fence, started running.

A back can be shored up by building muscle. There are no muscles in the knee.
Not to make light of your issues.
Some things called arthritis don't get better.

Arthritis doesn't get better. It can be managed but the damage is there.
"Management" is not without its risks, either. NSAIDS are hell on the
kidneys, heart, and liver.

I wish it was that simple for everyone.
For me, I just had to push myself more.

I can do that but then it pushes back. Not being able to walk puts a crimp in
my style (and pocket book).

On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 22:08:10 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 20:34:26 -0400, "
wrote:



If you're lucky, continued pushing or other exercise might cure that knee.
My feet and back used to hurt then I started pushing myself harder.

Don't be silly. Arthritis doesn't get better with use.

Very true, but if you stop moving, it will get worse and you have even
less movement and more pain.

Agreed. Gotta do something but following a mower around for three hours isn't
it. My AL house (soon to be sold, I hope) is on a little more than 1/4 acre.
If I do it at one time, I'll be in pain for a few days after. If I do it in
two days, I'm fine. OTOH, the new house is on 1-1/2 acres, about half of it
"grass". I did it in three days last week, followed by the AL house over the
weekend (five days, about an hour a day) and my knee still hurts. I'll be
buying a lawn tractor soon.

On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 15:42:13 -0400, Dan Espen
wrote:

"Doug" writes:

On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:56:01 -0400, Dan Espen
wrote:

Hank writes:

Push vs sef-propelled......... You're not getting any younger. So if
you plan on staying in the house where you are for many years to come,
get the self-propelled. You'll thank me later. However, if you plan on
moving into a condo in the next couple years, get the push.

As others have replied, human propelled is way more reliable.
As we age, we need to continue to be active to stay healthy.

Unless you're dealing with multiple acres, keep your feet on
the ground and keep pushing that mower. If mowing the lawn
tires you out, that's a good sign you need to keep pushing
that mower.

66 now.

Sort of fondly remember the days when there were no motors on our
mowers.

Ah yes, remember that a tad. When I lived in Queens, NYC, we had a
small lawn and we used a push grass cutter (no motor) ... forgot what
we called it then. When we lived on LI, NY, we had a gas powered
push mower. Fortunately both lawns were on level ground. Can't
imagine the fun it would be when it's not level but that would surely
burn calories. Thanks for reminding me !!

Bronx.

Reel mowers. Most neighbors had steel wheels.
We had rubber wheels because the only way into our backyard
was through the house.

I mowed the front and back. Not that tiny.
I used to do neighbors back lawn for a quarter.
As a kid I could never understand what she wanted me to do to the
edges of the lawn, she always complained but she paid me anyway.

Those things did not cooperate when the lawn got too tall.


Ah yes.... Reel mowers. That's it and thank you!!!
And you are right about the tall grass ....fortunately we didn't have
a thick lawn so it wasn't too bad if it got a little tall but I do
remember sometimes having difficulty and having to do it 2 or 3 times
or changing directions to cut the grass. Oh the memories grin.

On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 22:27:32 -0400, "
wrote:

On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 20:55:26 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:

" writes:

On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 20:29:48 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:

" writes:

On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:56:01 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:

Hank writes:

Push vs sef-propelled......... You're not getting any younger. So if
you plan on staying in the house where you are for many years to come,
get the self-propelled. You'll thank me later. However, if you plan on
moving into a condo in the next couple years, get the push.

As others have replied, human propelled is way more reliable.
As we age, we need to continue to be active to stay healthy.

Unless you're dealing with multiple acres, keep your feet on
the ground and keep pushing that mower. If mowing the lawn
tires you out, that's a good sign you need to keep pushing
that mower.

I don't mind pushing the mower but my knee sure doesn't agree.

Sorry to hear it.

If you're lucky, continued pushing or other exercise might cure that knee.
My feet and back used to hurt then I started pushing myself harder.

Don't be silly. Arthritis doesn't get better with use.

That's what the doctor told me.
He x-rayed my back, said he saw mild arthritis and there was nothing
he could do.

My feet hurt for years and they had no idea why.

Then I rented an electric jack hammer, built a patio,
deck, fence, started running.

A back can be shored up by building muscle. There are no muscles in the knee.
Not to make light of your issues.
Some things called arthritis don't get better.

Arthritis doesn't get better. It can be managed but the damage is there.
"Management" is not without its risks, either. NSAIDS are hell on the
kidneys, heart, and liver.

I wish it was that simple for everyone.
For me, I just had to push myself more.

I can do that but then it pushes back. Not being able to walk puts a crimp in
my style (and pocket book).


I've got a bad back but I think it is a nerve or such causing it. Most
of the time my back is fine but if I over exercise it or twist it the
wrong way, it lets me know I've been a bad boy. I remember once it
was so bad I was in bed for 2 or3 days and couldn't walk. I remember
just turning on my side in bed was almost unbearable pain. No fun.
Thank god that's only happened once or twice.

On 4/19/2012 11:57 PM, Doug wrote:
On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 22:27:32 -0400, "
wrote:

On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 20:55:26 -0400, Dan wrote:

z writes:

On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 20:29:48 -0400, Dan wrote:

z writes:

On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:56:01 -0400, Dan wrote:

writes:

Push vs sef-propelled......... You're not getting any younger. So if
you plan on staying in the house where you are for many years to come,
get the self-propelled. You'll thank me later. However, if you plan on
moving into a condo in the next couple years, get the push.
As others have replied, human propelled is way more reliable.
As we age, we need to continue to be active to stay healthy.

Unless you're dealing with multiple acres, keep your feet on
the ground and keep pushing that mower. If mowing the lawn
tires you out, that's a good sign you need to keep pushing
that mower.
I don't mind pushing the mower but my knee sure doesn't agree.
Sorry to hear it.

If you're lucky, continued pushing or other exercise might cure that knee.
My feet and back used to hurt then I started pushing myself harder.
Don't be silly. Arthritis doesn't get better with use.
That's what the doctor told me.
He x-rayed my back, said he saw mild arthritis and there was nothing
he could do.

My feet hurt for years and they had no idea why.

Then I rented an electric jack hammer, built a patio,
deck, fence, started running.
A back can be shored up by building muscle. There are no muscles in the knee.
Not to make light of your issues.
Some things called arthritis don't get better.
Arthritis doesn't get better. It can be managed but the damage is there.
"Management" is not without its risks, either. NSAIDS are hell on the
kidneys, heart, and liver.

I wish it was that simple for everyone.
For me, I just had to push myself more.
I can do that but then it pushes back. Not being able to walk puts a crimp in
my style (and pocket book).

I've got a bad back but I think it is a nerve or such causing it. Most
of the time my back is fine but if I over exercise it or twist it the
wrong way, it lets me know I've been a bad boy. I remember once it
was so bad I was in bed for 2 or3 days and couldn't walk. I remember
just turning on my side in bed was almost unbearable pain. No fun.
Thank god that's only happened once or twice.

You might want to look at the Teeter Inversion Table:

https://www.teetertv.com/?x=baa

I talked to a back specialist (MD) first and he told me they can work
for temporary relive. That was last November, I used it for about 1 week
1/2 mins per day. My back has not felt this good in years. I folded the
thing up and next time it hurts I'll do it again. That simple. No drugs.
I have degenerative spine disease in the lumbar with 2 herniated disc.
Same thing millions of us baby boomers have.

The disclaimer says to talk with a doctor first and I highly recommend
it. If you have ankle, knee, uncontrolled hypertension or eye disease it
can make it worse.

Another thing to look into is Cymbalta. Apparently it works really well
on chronic back pain but also has boocoo side effects.

In article , Dan Espen wrote:

Sort of fondly remember the days when there were no motors on our
mowers.

Or the days before that when after the grass was cut ya killed and ate
your mower.

m

On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 00:16:08 -0500, gonjah gonjah.net wrote:

On 4/19/2012 11:57 PM, Doug wrote:
On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 22:27:32 -0400, "
wrote:

On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 20:55:26 -0400, Dan wrote:

z writes:

On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 20:29:48 -0400, Dan wrote:

z writes:

On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:56:01 -0400, Dan wrote:

writes:

Push vs sef-propelled......... You're not getting any younger. So if
you plan on staying in the house where you are for many years to come,
get the self-propelled. You'll thank me later. However, if you plan on
moving into a condo in the next couple years, get the push.
As others have replied, human propelled is way more reliable.
As we age, we need to continue to be active to stay healthy.

Unless you're dealing with multiple acres, keep your feet on
the ground and keep pushing that mower. If mowing the lawn
tires you out, that's a good sign you need to keep pushing
that mower.
I don't mind pushing the mower but my knee sure doesn't agree.
Sorry to hear it.

If you're lucky, continued pushing or other exercise might cure that knee.
My feet and back used to hurt then I started pushing myself harder.
Don't be silly. Arthritis doesn't get better with use.
That's what the doctor told me.
He x-rayed my back, said he saw mild arthritis and there was nothing
he could do.

My feet hurt for years and they had no idea why.

Then I rented an electric jack hammer, built a patio,
deck, fence, started running.
A back can be shored up by building muscle. There are no muscles in the knee.
Not to make light of your issues.
Some things called arthritis don't get better.
Arthritis doesn't get better. It can be managed but the damage is there.
"Management" is not without its risks, either. NSAIDS are hell on the
kidneys, heart, and liver.

I wish it was that simple for everyone.
For me, I just had to push myself more.
I can do that but then it pushes back. Not being able to walk puts a crimp in
my style (and pocket book).

I've got a bad back but I think it is a nerve or such causing it. Most
of the time my back is fine but if I over exercise it or twist it the
wrong way, it lets me know I've been a bad boy. I remember once it
was so bad I was in bed for 2 or3 days and couldn't walk. I remember
just turning on my side in bed was almost unbearable pain. No fun.
Thank god that's only happened once or twice.

You might want to look at the Teeter Inversion Table:

https://www.teetertv.com/?x=baa

I talked to a back specialist (MD) first and he told me they can work
for temporary relive. That was last November, I used it for about 1 week
1/2 mins per day. My back has not felt this good in years. I folded the
thing up and next time it hurts I'll do it again. That simple. No drugs.
I have degenerative spine disease in the lumbar with 2 herniated disc.
Same thing millions of us baby boomers have.

The disclaimer says to talk with a doctor first and I highly recommend
it. If you have ankle, knee, uncontrolled hypertension or eye disease it
can make it worse.

Another thing to look into is Cymbalta. Apparently it works really well
on chronic back pain but also has boocoo side effects.


Appreciate the advice. I don't like to take meds unless I have to and
I did have eye surgery for cataracts last year so I would want to
check with my eye doctor first. No eye disease tho. I will keep in
mind what you said... thank you.

On 4/20/2012 1:01 AM, Doug wrote:
Appreciate the advice. I don't like to take meds unless I have to and
I did have eye surgery for cataracts last year so I would want to
check with my eye doctor first. No eye disease tho. I will keep in
mind what you said... thank you.

Maybe because you have had the surgery it wouldn't be as much of a
problem. I donno.

Also, you might *try* Cymbalta. It won't mess up your stomach and it's
non narcotic. My main concern would be liver function and if you don't
have a history of liver problems it might be for you.

Keep in mind, you can use the table anywhere from about 10 degrees to
full inversion.

You do feel some pressure in your head (just like when we did handstands
as kids) but for me, it went away rapidly as soon as I got upright. My
main concern is hypertension. If my BP is high I wait until it's down.
I've read the risk of giving yourself self a stroke is slight, but who
wants to take that chance? Good luck. It's been a wish come true for me
and I've been living with pain for decades. I really wish I had done
this decades ago.