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I am looking for a place where I can get 8 inches or a foot of resist
wire. It is about 3/8 inch in diameter. The unit fails to get hot enough anymore and we need it and cannot find anything like it. What type of supply house or business do I start my search with. |
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On 3/16/2012 11:36 AM, joevan wrote:
I am looking for a place where I can get 8 inches or a foot of resist wire. It is about 3/8 inch in diameter. The unit fails to get hot enough anymore and we need it and cannot find anything like it. What type of supply house or business do I start my search with. You are looking for resistance wire that is 3/8 inch in diameter? Are you kidding? Bet you are looking at something like a GE Calrod. That is a metal tube with resistance wire wound inside. Like on a kitchen electric range. Paul |
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On 3/16/2012 11:36 AM, joevan wrote:
I am looking for a place where I can get 8 inches or a foot of resist wire. It is about 3/8 inch in diameter. The unit fails to get hot enough anymore and we need it and cannot find anything like it. What type of supply house or business do I start my search with. Wow, I've never seen 3/8" nichrome wire before. You'd need a massive power supply to heat that wire, hundreds of amps. The thickest that McMaster sells is 0.064". You're looking for something six times as thick. http://www.mcmaster.com/#nickel-chromium-(nichrome)-wire/=gox3c8 |
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On 3/16/2012 2:36 PM, joevan wrote:
I am looking for a place where I can get 8 inches or a foot of resist wire. It is about 3/8 inch in diameter. The unit fails to get hot enough anymore and we need it and cannot find anything like it. What type of supply house or business do I start my search with. It does sound like you're looking for a heating element, not a resistance wire. Why not replace the heater? |
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On 3/16/2012 2:01 PM, SMS wrote:
On 3/16/2012 11:36 AM, joevan wrote: I am looking for a place where I can get 8 inches or a foot of resist wire. It is about 3/8 inch in diameter. The unit fails to get hot enough anymore and we need it and cannot find anything like it. What type of supply house or business do I start my search with. Wow, I've never seen 3/8" nichrome wire before. You'd need a massive power supply to heat that wire, hundreds of amps. The thickest that McMaster sells is 0.064". You're looking for something six times as thick. http://www.mcmaster.com/#nickel-chromium-(nichrome)-wire/=gox3c8 is it coiled and the coil is 3/8" in diameter? |
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On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 17:06:00 -0400, RBM wrote:
On 3/16/2012 2:36 PM, joevan wrote: I am looking for a place where I can get 8 inches or a foot of resist wire. It is about 3/8 inch in diameter. The unit fails to get hot enough anymore and we need it and cannot find anything like it. What type of supply house or business do I start my search with. It does sound like you're looking for a heating element, not a resistance wire. Why not replace the heater? It is not a heater. It is a unit with a heated surface and a pan with a special column thru which a column and it supports a special stirring paddle. We have searched for such. From my assistants email " Tefal no longer advertises it as you said and it didn’t mention parts available under the section for repair. I will keep looking." |
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On 3/16/2012 6:10 PM, joevan wrote:
On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 17:06:00 -0400, wrote: On 3/16/2012 2:36 PM, joevan wrote: I am looking for a place where I can get 8 inches or a foot of resist wire. It is about 3/8 inch in diameter. The unit fails to get hot enough anymore and we need it and cannot find anything like it. What type of supply house or business do I start my search with. It does sound like you're looking for a heating element, not a resistance wire. Why not replace the heater? It is not a heater. It is a unit with a heated surface and a pan with a special column thru which a column and it supports a special stirring paddle. We have searched for such. From my assistants email " Tefal no longer advertises it as you said and it didn’t mention parts available under the section for repair. I will keep looking." OK, It sounds like some type of Calrod. On one end of the rod there should be a wattage and voltage stamped into the metal. This should help to locate a similar element if the manufacturer can't get you a replacement |
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On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 19:13:42 -0400, RBM wrote:
On 3/16/2012 6:10 PM, joevan wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 17:06:00 -0400, wrote: On 3/16/2012 2:36 PM, joevan wrote: I am looking for a place where I can get 8 inches or a foot of resist wire. It is about 3/8 inch in diameter. The unit fails to get hot enough anymore and we need it and cannot find anything like it. What type of supply house or business do I start my search with. It does sound like you're looking for a heating element, not a resistance wire. Why not replace the heater? It is not a heater. It is a unit with a heated surface and a pan with a special column thru which a column and it supports a special stirring paddle. We have searched for such. From my assistants email " Tefal no longer advertises it as you said and it didn’t mention parts available under the section for repair. I will keep looking." OK, It sounds like some type of Calrod. On one end of the rod there should be a wattage and voltage stamped into the metal. This should help to locate a similar element if the manufacturer can't get you a replacement I could post a picture of the heat element. What is a good place to do so? |
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On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 19:59:25 -0400, joevan
wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 19:13:42 -0400, RBM wrote: On 3/16/2012 6:10 PM, joevan wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 17:06:00 -0400, wrote: On 3/16/2012 2:36 PM, joevan wrote: I am looking for a place where I can get 8 inches or a foot of resist wire. It is about 3/8 inch in diameter. The unit fails to get hot enough anymore and we need it and cannot find anything like it. What type of supply house or business do I start my search with. It does sound like you're looking for a heating element, not a resistance wire. Why not replace the heater? It is not a heater. It is a unit with a heated surface and a pan with a special column thru which a column and it supports a special stirring paddle. We have searched for such. From my assistants email " Tefal no longer advertises it as you said and it didn’t mention parts available under the section for repair. I will keep looking." OK, It sounds like some type of Calrod. On one end of the rod there should be a wattage and voltage stamped into the metal. This should help to locate a similar element if the manufacturer can't get you a replacement I could post a picture of the heat element. What is a good place to do so? http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3622/img0177rj.jpg |
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On 3/16/2012 3:10 PM, joevan wrote:
On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 17:06:00 -0400, wrote: On 3/16/2012 2:36 PM, joevan wrote: I am looking for a place where I can get 8 inches or a foot of resist wire. It is about 3/8 inch in diameter. The unit fails to get hot enough anymore and we need it and cannot find anything like it. What type of supply house or business do I start my search with. It does sound like you're looking for a heating element, not a resistance wire. Why not replace the heater? It is not a heater. It is a unit with a heated surface and a pan with a special column thru which a column and it supports a special stirring paddle. We have searched for such. From my assistants email " Tefal no longer advertises it as you said and it didn’t mention parts available under the section for repair. I will keep looking." The calrod type heating element will either work or it won't. It won't produce less and less heat. Look to the temperature control adjustment I see on the left of the picture. It appears to be a simple compression device that changes the gap between two contact points. Disassemble this unit and clean the contacts. They will burn and oxidize over time and result in exactly what you are experiencing in reduced heat. It all looks custom made, so you probably can't find a replacement control short of the factory. Paul |
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On 3/16/12 9:05 PM, joevan wrote:
On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 19:59:25 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 19:13:42 -0400, wrote: On 3/16/2012 6:10 PM, joevan wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 17:06:00 -0400, wrote: On 3/16/2012 2:36 PM, joevan wrote: I am looking for a place where I can get 8 inches or a foot of resist wire. It is about 3/8 inch in diameter. The unit fails to get hot enough anymore and we need it and cannot find anything like it. What type of supply house or business do I start my search with. It does sound like you're looking for a heating element, not a resistance wire. Why not replace the heater? It is not a heater. It is a unit with a heated surface and a pan with a special column thru which a column and it supports a special stirring paddle. We have searched for such. From my assistants email " Tefal no longer advertises it as you said and it didn’t mention parts available under the section for repair. I will keep looking." OK, It sounds like some type of Calrod. On one end of the rod there should be a wattage and voltage stamped into the metal. This should help to locate a similar element if the manufacturer can't get you a replacement I could post a picture of the heat element. What is a good place to do so? http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3622/img0177rj.jpg You might try these folks and see what they can do for you http://www.wattco.com/tubular-heaters.html http://www.chromalox.com/ http://asbheat.com/01_html/products/..._heaters.shtml |
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On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 19:59:25 -0400, joevan
wrote: OK, It sounds like some type of Calrod. On one end of the rod there should be a wattage and voltage stamped into the metal. This should help to locate a similar element if the manufacturer can't get you a replacement I could post a picture of the heat element. What is a good place to do so? Photobucket, Flickr are OK |
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joevan wrote:
I am looking for a place where I can get 8 inches or a foot of resist wire. It is about 3/8 inch in diameter. The unit fails to get hot enough anymore and we need it and cannot find anything like it. What type of supply house or business do I start my search with. If it conducts, I would expect it to provide the same heat. I had a portable heater that felt like it doubled it's heat when I re-wired that socket with #12 wire instead of #14. Could you have a wiring problem? |
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On Mar 16, 9:05*pm, joevan wrote:
On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 19:59:25 -0400, joevan wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 19:13:42 -0400, RBM wrote: On 3/16/2012 6:10 PM, joevan wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 17:06:00 -0400, *wrote: On 3/16/2012 2:36 PM, joevan wrote: I am looking for a place where I can get 8 inches or a foot of resist wire. It is about 3/8 inch in diameter. The unit fails to get hot enough anymore and we need it and cannot find anything like it. What type of supply house or business do I start my search with. It does sound like you're looking for a heating element, not a resistance wire. Why not replace the heater? It is not a heater. It is a unit with a heated surface and a pan with a special column thru which a column and it supports a special stirring paddle. We have searched for such. *From my assistants email " Tefal no longer advertises it as you said and it didn’t mention parts available under the section for repair. I will keep looking." * * * *OK, It sounds like some type of Calrod. On one end of the rod there should be a wattage and voltage stamped into the metal. This should help to locate a similar element if the manufacturer can't get you a replacement I could post a picture of the heat element. What is a good place to do so? http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3622/img0177rj.jpg Maybe a picture of the entire device would be good also, so that how that heating element/ Calrod is being used by the appliance... ~~ Evan |
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On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 20:31:34 -0700 (PDT), Evan
wrote: On Mar 16, 9:05*pm, joevan wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 19:59:25 -0400, joevan wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 19:13:42 -0400, RBM wrote: On 3/16/2012 6:10 PM, joevan wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 17:06:00 -0400, *wrote: On 3/16/2012 2:36 PM, joevan wrote: I am looking for a place where I can get 8 inches or a foot of resist wire. It is about 3/8 inch in diameter. The unit fails to get hot enough anymore and we need it and cannot find anything like it. What type of supply house or business do I start my search with. It does sound like you're looking for a heating element, not a resistance wire. Why not replace the heater? It is not a heater. It is a unit with a heated surface and a pan with a special column thru which a column and it supports a special stirring paddle. We have searched for such. *From my assistants email " Tefal no longer advertises it as you said and it didn’t mention parts available under the section for repair. I will keep looking." * * * *OK, It sounds like some type of Calrod. On one end of the rod there should be a wattage and voltage stamped into the metal. This should help to locate a similar element if the manufacturer can't get you a replacement I could post a picture of the heat element. What is a good place to do so? http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3622/img0177rj.jpg Maybe a picture of the entire device would be good also, so that how that heating element/ Calrod is being used by the appliance... ~~ Evan Ok I will try but to get to the heating unit I had to remove some of the wires. They make it very difficult to get inside of newer things, I guess to keep people from repairing them. |
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On Mar 16, 6:10*pm, joevan wrote:
On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 17:06:00 -0400, RBM wrote: On 3/16/2012 2:36 PM, joevan wrote: I am looking for a place where I can get 8 inches or a foot of resist wire. It is about 3/8 inch in diameter. The unit fails to get hot enough anymore and we need it and cannot find anything like it. What type of supply house or business do I start my search with. It does sound like you're looking for a heating element, not a resistance wire. Why not replace the heater? It is not a heater. It is a unit with a heated surface and a pan with a special column thru which a column and it supports a special stirring paddle. We have searched for such. From my assistants email " Tefal no longer advertises it as you said and it didn’t mention parts available under the section for repair. I will keep looking." Doesn't sound like a very thorough search for a repair part to me. Why not contact Tefal directly and just ask? Tefal makes small consumer type appliances. If they don't have a replacement heater for this, good chance it's time to chuck it. I don't believe you're going to find any universal type heating elements that will fit that specific curved shape. Also, something was said about it not getting hot enough anymore? Which would seem to imply that this happened gradually? Has someone competent determined that it is actually the heating element as opposed to say the thermostat that controls it? |
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What are you doing with this? What's the application?
Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "joevan" wrote in message ... I am looking for a place where I can get 8 inches or a foot of resist wire. It is about 3/8 inch in diameter. The unit fails to get hot enough anymore and we need it and cannot find anything like it. What type of supply house or business do I start my search with. |
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joevan wrote:
On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 20:31:34 -0700 (PDT), Evan wrote: On Mar 16, 9:05 pm, joevan wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 19:59:25 -0400, joevan wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 19:13:42 -0400, RBM wrote: On 3/16/2012 6:10 PM, joevan wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 17:06:00 -0400, wrote: On 3/16/2012 2:36 PM, joevan wrote: I am looking for a place where I can get 8 inches or a foot of resist wire. It is about 3/8 inch in diameter. The unit fails to get hot enough anymore and we need it and cannot find anything like it. What type of supply house or business do I start my search with. It does sound like you're looking for a heating element, not a resistance wire. Why not replace the heater? It is not a heater. It is a unit with a heated surface and a pan with a special column thru which a column and it supports a special stirring paddle. We have searched for such. From my assistants email " Tefal no longer advertises it as you said and it didn't mention parts available under the section for repair. I will keep looking." OK, It sounds like some type of Calrod. On one end of the rod there should be a wattage and voltage stamped into the metal. This should help to locate a similar element if the manufacturer can't get you a replacement I could post a picture of the heat element. What is a good place to do so? http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3622/img0177rj.jpg Maybe a picture of the entire device would be good also, so that how that heating element/ Calrod is being used by the appliance... ~~ Evan Ok I will try but to get to the heating unit I had to remove some of the wires. They make it very difficult to get inside of newer things, I guess to keep people from repairing them. If it heats at all, the element is probably fine. Have you looked for voltage drop elsewhere in the circuit? Is the full voltage getting to the element? |
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On Mar 17, 8:41*am, joevan wrote:
On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 20:31:34 -0700 (PDT), Evan wrote: On Mar 16, 9:05*pm, joevan wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 19:59:25 -0400, joevan wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 19:13:42 -0400, RBM wrote: On 3/16/2012 6:10 PM, joevan wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 17:06:00 -0400, *wrote: On 3/16/2012 2:36 PM, joevan wrote: I am looking for a place where I can get 8 inches or a foot of resist wire. It is about 3/8 inch in diameter. The unit fails to get hot enough anymore and we need it and cannot find anything like it. What type of supply house or business do I start my search with. It does sound like you're looking for a heating element, not a resistance wire. Why not replace the heater? It is not a heater. It is a unit with a heated surface and a pan with a special column thru which a column and it supports a special stirring paddle. We have searched for such. *From my assistants email " Tefal no longer advertises it as you said and it didn’t mention parts available under the section for repair. I will keep looking." * * * *OK, It sounds like some type of Calrod. On one end of the rod there should be a wattage and voltage stamped into the metal. This should help to locate a similar element if the manufacturer can't get you a replacement I could post a picture of the heat element. What is a good place to do so? http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3622/img0177rj.jpg Maybe a picture of the entire device would be good also, so that how that heating element/ Calrod is being used by the appliance... ~~ Evan Ok I will try but to get to the heating unit I had to remove some of the wires. They make it very difficult to get inside of newer things, I guess to keep people from repairing them. Because many small appliances can be dangerous if you do not repair them correctly -- you definitely will void the UL rating unless you replace what you suspect is the faulty part with an identical one, and given how purpose-specific that application seems it is unlikely to be available as a replacement part... Appliances made these days are meant to be recycled when they fail, the high cost of some of the replacement parts and the labor to install them is supposed to motivate you to buy a newer unit.. ~~ Evan |
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On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 09:18:38 -0700 (PDT), Evan
wrote: On Mar 17, 8:41*am, joevan wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 20:31:34 -0700 (PDT), Evan wrote: On Mar 16, 9:05*pm, joevan wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 19:59:25 -0400, joevan wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 19:13:42 -0400, RBM wrote: On 3/16/2012 6:10 PM, joevan wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 17:06:00 -0400, *wrote: On 3/16/2012 2:36 PM, joevan wrote: I am looking for a place where I can get 8 inches or a foot of resist wire. It is about 3/8 inch in diameter. The unit fails to get hot enough anymore and we need it and cannot find anything like it. What type of supply house or business do I start my search with. It does sound like you're looking for a heating element, not a resistance wire. Why not replace the heater? It is not a heater. It is a unit with a heated surface and a pan with a special column thru which a column and it supports a special stirring paddle. We have searched for such. *From my assistants email " Tefal no longer advertises it as you said and it didn’t mention parts available under the section for repair. I will keep looking." * * * *OK, It sounds like some type of Calrod. On one end of the rod there should be a wattage and voltage stamped into the metal. This should help to locate a similar element if the manufacturer can't get you a replacement I could post a picture of the heat element. What is a good place to do so? http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3622/img0177rj.jpg Maybe a picture of the entire device would be good also, so that how that heating element/ Calrod is being used by the appliance... ~~ Evan Ok I will try but to get to the heating unit I had to remove some of the wires. They make it very difficult to get inside of newer things, I guess to keep people from repairing them. Because many small appliances can be dangerous if you do not repair them correctly -- you definitely will void the UL rating unless you replace what you suspect is the faulty part with an identical one, and given how purpose-specific that application seems it is unlikely to be available as a replacement part... Appliances made these days are meant to be recycled when they fail, the high cost of some of the replacement parts and the labor to install them is supposed to motivate you to buy a newer unit.. ~~ Evan I would buy a new one if I could find one. We use it to make a special paste used for paper repair. If it can be repaired that would be good and would save me the 25 minutes of standing at the gas range stirring it while the paste cooks. |
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On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 13:23:46 -0400, joevan
wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 09:18:38 -0700 (PDT), Evan wrote: On Mar 17, 8:41*am, joevan wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 20:31:34 -0700 (PDT), Evan wrote: On Mar 16, 9:05*pm, joevan wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 19:59:25 -0400, joevan wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 19:13:42 -0400, RBM wrote: On 3/16/2012 6:10 PM, joevan wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 17:06:00 -0400, *wrote: On 3/16/2012 2:36 PM, joevan wrote: I am looking for a place where I can get 8 inches or a foot of resist wire. It is about 3/8 inch in diameter. The unit fails to get hot enough anymore and we need it and cannot find anything like it. What type of supply house or business do I start my search with. It does sound like you're looking for a heating element, not a resistance wire. Why not replace the heater? It is not a heater. It is a unit with a heated surface and a pan with a special column thru which a column and it supports a special stirring paddle. We have searched for such. *From my assistants email " Tefal no longer advertises it as you said and it didn’t mention parts available under the section for repair. I will keep looking." * * * *OK, It sounds like some type of Calrod. On one end of the rod there should be a wattage and voltage stamped into the metal. This should help to locate a similar element if the manufacturer can't get you a replacement I could post a picture of the heat element. What is a good place to do so? http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3622/img0177rj.jpg Maybe a picture of the entire device would be good also, so that how that heating element/ Calrod is being used by the appliance... ~~ Evan Ok I will try but to get to the heating unit I had to remove some of the wires. They make it very difficult to get inside of newer things, I guess to keep people from repairing them. Because many small appliances can be dangerous if you do not repair them correctly -- you definitely will void the UL rating unless you replace what you suspect is the faulty part with an identical one, and given how purpose-specific that application seems it is unlikely to be available as a replacement part... Appliances made these days are meant to be recycled when they fail, the high cost of some of the replacement parts and the labor to install them is supposed to motivate you to buy a newer unit.. ~~ Evan I would buy a new one if I could find one. We use it to make a special paste used for paper repair. If it can be repaired that would be good and would save me the 25 minutes of standing at the gas range stirring it while the paste cooks. Here is another shot showing the wire leading to the thermostat. Also another one showing connection wires above the heating element. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/844/img0180sy.jpg/ |
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On Mar 17, 4:56*pm, joevan wrote:
On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 13:23:46 -0400, joevan wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 09:18:38 -0700 (PDT), Evan wrote: On Mar 17, 8:41*am, joevan wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 20:31:34 -0700 (PDT), Evan wrote: On Mar 16, 9:05*pm, joevan wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 19:59:25 -0400, joevan wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 19:13:42 -0400, RBM wrote: On 3/16/2012 6:10 PM, joevan wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 17:06:00 -0400, *wrote: On 3/16/2012 2:36 PM, joevan wrote: I am looking for a place where I can get 8 inches or a foot of resist wire. It is about 3/8 inch in diameter. The unit fails to get hot enough anymore and we need it and cannot find anything like it. What type of supply house or business do I start my search with. It does sound like you're looking for a heating element, not a resistance wire. Why not replace the heater? It is not a heater. It is a unit with a heated surface and a pan with a special column thru which a column and it supports a special stirring paddle. We have searched for such. *From my assistants email " Tefal no longer advertises it as you said and it didn’t mention parts available under the section for repair. I will keep looking." * * * *OK, It sounds like some type of Calrod. On one end of the rod there should be a wattage and voltage stamped into the metal. This should help to locate a similar element if the manufacturer can't get you a replacement I could post a picture of the heat element. What is a good place to do so? http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3622/img0177rj.jpg Maybe a picture of the entire device would be good also, so that how that heating element/ Calrod is being used by the appliance... ~~ Evan Ok I will try but to get to the heating unit I had to remove some of the wires. They make it very difficult to get inside of newer things, I guess to keep people from repairing them. Because many small appliances can be dangerous if you do not repair them correctly -- you definitely will void the UL rating unless you replace what you suspect is the faulty part with an identical one, and given how purpose-specific that application seems it is unlikely to be available as a replacement part... Appliances made these days are meant to be recycled when they fail, the high cost of some of the replacement parts and the labor to install them is supposed to motivate you to buy a newer unit.. ~~ Evan I would buy a new one if I could find one. We use it to make a special paste used for paper repair. If it can be repaired that would be good and would save me the 25 minutes of standing at the gas range stirring it while the paste cooks. Here is another shot showing the wire leading to the thermostat. Also another one showing connection wires above the heating element. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...mg0180sy.jpg/- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You've verified that you have 120V present at the heating element, ie that it's not the thermostat or something else that's faulty? In my experience, it's more often something other than the heating element itself. |
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wrote: On Mar 17, 4:56*pm, joevan wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 13:23:46 -0400, joevan wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 09:18:38 -0700 (PDT), Evan wrote: On Mar 17, 8:41*am, joevan wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 20:31:34 -0700 (PDT), Evan wrote: On Mar 16, 9:05*pm, joevan wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 19:59:25 -0400, joevan wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 19:13:42 -0400, RBM wrote: On 3/16/2012 6:10 PM, joevan wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 17:06:00 -0400, *wrote: On 3/16/2012 2:36 PM, joevan wrote: I am looking for a place where I can get 8 inches or a foot of resist wire. It is about 3/8 inch in diameter. The unit fails to get hot enough anymore and we need it and cannot find anything like it. What type of supply house or business do I start my search with. It does sound like you're looking for a heating element, not a resistance wire. Why not replace the heater? It is not a heater. It is a unit with a heated surface and a pan with a special column thru which a column and it supports a special stirring paddle. We have searched for such. *From my assistants email " Tefal no longer advertises it as you said and it didn’t mention parts available under the section for repair. I will keep looking." * * * *OK, It sounds like some type of Calrod. On one end of the rod there should be a wattage and voltage stamped into the metal. This should help to locate a similar element if the manufacturer can't get you a replacement I could post a picture of the heat element. What is a good place to do so? http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3622/img0177rj.jpg Maybe a picture of the entire device would be good also, so that how that heating element/ Calrod is being used by the appliance... ~~ Evan Ok I will try but to get to the heating unit I had to remove some of the wires. They make it very difficult to get inside of newer things, I guess to keep people from repairing them. Because many small appliances can be dangerous if you do not repair them correctly -- you definitely will void the UL rating unless you replace what you suspect is the faulty part with an identical one, and given how purpose-specific that application seems it is unlikely to be available as a replacement part... Appliances made these days are meant to be recycled when they fail, the high cost of some of the replacement parts and the labor to install them is supposed to motivate you to buy a newer unit.. ~~ Evan I would buy a new one if I could find one. We use it to make a special paste used for paper repair. If it can be repaired that would be good and would save me the 25 minutes of standing at the gas range stirring it while the paste cooks. Here is another shot showing the wire leading to the thermostat. Also another one showing connection wires above the heating element. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...mg0180sy.jpg/- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You've verified that you have 120V present at the heating element, ie that it's not the thermostat or something else that's faulty? In my experience, it's more often something other than the heating element itself. I need a voltage meter. I heard that harbor freight has one for 10 bucks. I will check on it now. |
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On Mar 17, 8:29*pm, joevan wrote:
On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 16:33:59 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Mar 17, 4:56*pm, joevan wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 13:23:46 -0400, joevan wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 09:18:38 -0700 (PDT), Evan wrote: On Mar 17, 8:41*am, joevan wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 20:31:34 -0700 (PDT), Evan wrote: On Mar 16, 9:05*pm, joevan wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 19:59:25 -0400, joevan wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 19:13:42 -0400, RBM wrote: On 3/16/2012 6:10 PM, joevan wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 17:06:00 -0400, *wrote: On 3/16/2012 2:36 PM, joevan wrote: I am looking for a place where I can get 8 inches or a foot of resist wire. It is about 3/8 inch in diameter. The unit fails to get hot enough anymore and we need it and cannot find anything like it. What type of supply house or business do I start my search with. It does sound like you're looking for a heating element, not a resistance wire. Why not replace the heater? It is not a heater. It is a unit with a heated surface and a pan with a special column thru which a column and it supports a special stirring paddle. We have searched for such. *From my assistants email " Tefal no longer advertises it as you said and it didn’t mention parts available under the section for repair. I will keep looking." * * * *OK, It sounds like some type of Calrod. On one end of the rod there should be a wattage and voltage stamped into the metal. This should help to locate a similar element if the manufacturer can't get you a replacement I could post a picture of the heat element. What is a good place to do so? http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3622/img0177rj.jpg Maybe a picture of the entire device would be good also, so that how that heating element/ Calrod is being used by the appliance... ~~ Evan Ok I will try but to get to the heating unit I had to remove some of the wires. They make it very difficult to get inside of newer things, I guess to keep people from repairing them. Because many small appliances can be dangerous if you do not repair them correctly -- you definitely will void the UL rating unless you replace what you suspect is the faulty part with an identical one, and given how purpose-specific that application seems it is unlikely to be available as a replacement part... Appliances made these days are meant to be recycled when they fail, the high cost of some of the replacement parts and the labor to install them is supposed to motivate you to buy a newer unit.. ~~ Evan I would buy a new one if I could find one. We use it to make a special paste used for paper repair. If it can be repaired that would be good and would save me the 25 minutes of standing at the gas range stirring it while the paste cooks. Here is another shot showing the wire leading to the thermostat. Also another one showing connection wires above the heating element. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...80sy.jpg/-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You've verified that you have 120V present at the heating element, ie that it's not the thermostat or something else that's faulty? *In my experience, it's more often something other than the heating element itself. I *need a voltage meter. I heard that harbor freight has one for 10 bucks. *I will check on it now.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You could also hook a light bulb up across the heating element using some jumpers. It lights, you have power. Or one of those cheap $2 neon AC tester lights. |
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On Mar 17, 4:56 pm, joevan wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 13:23:46 -0400, joevan wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 09:18:38 -0700 (PDT), Evan wrote: On Mar 17, 8:41 am, joevan wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 20:31:34 -0700 (PDT), Evan wrote: On Mar 16, 9:05 pm, joevan wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 19:59:25 -0400, joevan wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 19:13:42 -0400, RBM wrote: On 3/16/2012 6:10 PM, joevan wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 17:06:00 -0400, wrote: On 3/16/2012 2:36 PM, joevan wrote: I am looking for a place where I can get 8 inches or a foot of resist wire. It is about 3/8 inch in diameter. The unit fails to get hot enough anymore and we need it and cannot find anything like it. What type of supply house or business do I start my search with. It does sound like you're looking for a heating element, not a resistance wire. Why not replace the heater? It is not a heater. It is a unit with a heated surface and a pan with a special column thru which a column and it supports a special stirring paddle. We have searched for such. From my assistants email " Tefal no longer advertises it as you said and it didnt mention parts available under the section for repair. I will keep looking." OK, It sounds like some type of Calrod. On one end of the rod there should be a wattage and voltage stamped into the metal. This should help to locate a similar element if the manufacturer can't get you a replacement I could post a picture of the heat element. What is a good place to do so? http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3622/img0177rj.jpg Maybe a picture of the entire device would be good also, so that how that heating element/ Calrod is being used by the appliance... ~~ Evan Ok I will try but to get to the heating unit I had to remove some of the wires. They make it very difficult to get inside of newer things, I guess to keep people from repairing them. Because many small appliances can be dangerous if you do not repair them correctly -- you definitely will void the UL rating unless you replace what you suspect is the faulty part with an identical one, and given how purpose-specific that application seems it is unlikely to be available as a replacement part... Appliances made these days are meant to be recycled when they fail, the high cost of some of the replacement parts and the labor to install them is supposed to motivate you to buy a newer unit.. ~~ Evan I would buy a new one if I could find one. We use it to make a special paste used for paper repair. If it can be repaired that would be good and would save me the 25 minutes of standing at the gas range stirring it while the paste cooks. Here is another shot showing the wire leading to the thermostat. Also another one showing connection wires above the heating element. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...mg0180sy.jpg/- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You've verified that you have 120V present at the heating element, ie that it's not the thermostat or something else that's faulty? In my experience, it's more often something other than the heating element itself. Looks likely a thermal cutoff under the black insulation. Greg |
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On 3/16/2012 11:36 AM, joevan wrote:
I am looking for a place where I can get 8 inches or a foot of resist wire. It is about 3/8 inch in diameter. The unit fails to get hot enough anymore and we need it and cannot find anything like it. What type of supply house or business do I start my search with. That heating element (which has the nichrome heating wire inside) either gets hot or it doesn't. Is there a thermostat or rheostat somewhere in the circuit? Changing the heating element isn't going to help you. |
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joevan wrote:
I need a voltage meter. I heard that harbor freight has one for 10 bucks. I will check on it now. Usually you can get one there for $3. |
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On 3/17/2012 10:06 PM, Bob F wrote:
joevan wrote: I need a voltage meter. I heard that harbor freight has one for 10 bucks. I will check on it now. Usually you can get one there for $3. Often for free. |
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On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 08:26:29 -0700, "Bob F"
wrote: joevan wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 20:31:34 -0700 (PDT), Evan wrote: On Mar 16, 9:05 pm, joevan wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 19:59:25 -0400, joevan wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 19:13:42 -0400, RBM wrote: On 3/16/2012 6:10 PM, joevan wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 17:06:00 -0400, wrote: On 3/16/2012 2:36 PM, joevan wrote: I am looking for a place where I can get 8 inches or a foot of resist wire. It is about 3/8 inch in diameter. The unit fails to get hot enough anymore and we need it and cannot find anything like it. What type of supply house or business do I start my search with. It does sound like you're looking for a heating element, not a resistance wire. Why not replace the heater? It is not a heater. It is a unit with a heated surface and a pan with a special column thru which a column and it supports a special stirring paddle. We have searched for such. From my assistants email " Tefal no longer advertises it as you said and it didn't mention parts available under the section for repair. I will keep looking." OK, It sounds like some type of Calrod. On one end of the rod there should be a wattage and voltage stamped into the metal. This should help to locate a similar element if the manufacturer can't get you a replacement I could post a picture of the heat element. What is a good place to do so? http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3622/img0177rj.jpg Maybe a picture of the entire device would be good also, so that how that heating element/ Calrod is being used by the appliance... ~~ Evan Ok I will try but to get to the heating unit I had to remove some of the wires. They make it very difficult to get inside of newer things, I guess to keep people from repairing them. If it heats at all, the element is probably fine. Absolutely. I should have noticed that. Have you looked for voltage drop elsewhere in the circuit? Is the full voltage getting to the element? |
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wrote: On Mar 17, 8:29*pm, joevan wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 16:33:59 -0700 (PDT), " wrote: On Mar 17, 4:56*pm, joevan wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 13:23:46 -0400, joevan wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 09:18:38 -0700 (PDT), Evan wrote: On Mar 17, 8:41*am, joevan wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 20:31:34 -0700 (PDT), Evan wrote: On Mar 16, 9:05*pm, joevan wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 19:59:25 -0400, joevan wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 19:13:42 -0400, RBM wrote: On 3/16/2012 6:10 PM, joevan wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 17:06:00 -0400, *wrote: On 3/16/2012 2:36 PM, joevan wrote: I am looking for a place where I can get 8 inches or a foot of resist wire. It is about 3/8 inch in diameter. The unit fails to get hot enough anymore and we need it and cannot find anything like it. What type of supply house or business do I start my search with. It does sound like you're looking for a heating element, not a resistance wire. Why not replace the heater? It is not a heater. It is a unit with a heated surface and a pan with a special column thru which a column and it supports a special stirring paddle. We have searched for such. *From my assistants email " Tefal no longer advertises it as you said and it didn’t mention parts available under the section for repair. I will keep looking." * * * *OK, It sounds like some type of Calrod. On one end of the rod there should be a wattage and voltage stamped into the metal. This should help to locate a similar element if the manufacturer can't get you a replacement I could post a picture of the heat element. What is a good place to do so? http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3622/img0177rj.jpg Maybe a picture of the entire device would be good also, so that how that heating element/ Calrod is being used by the appliance... ~~ Evan Ok I will try but to get to the heating unit I had to remove some of the wires. They make it very difficult to get inside of newer things, I guess to keep people from repairing them. Because many small appliances can be dangerous if you do not repair them correctly -- you definitely will void the UL rating unless you replace what you suspect is the faulty part with an identical one, and given how purpose-specific that application seems it is unlikely to be available as a replacement part... Appliances made these days are meant to be recycled when they fail, the high cost of some of the replacement parts and the labor to install them is supposed to motivate you to buy a newer unit.. ~~ Evan I would buy a new one if I could find one. We use it to make a special paste used for paper repair. If it can be repaired that would be good and would save me the 25 minutes of standing at the gas range stirring it while the paste cooks. Here is another shot showing the wire leading to the thermostat. Also another one showing connection wires above the heating element. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...80sy.jpg/-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You've verified that you have 120V present at the heating element, ie that it's not the thermostat or something else that's faulty? *In my experience, it's more often something other than the heating element itself. I *need a voltage meter. I heard that harbor freight has one for 10 bucks. *I will check on it now.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You could also hook a light bulb up across the heating element using some jumpers. It lights, you have power. Or one of those cheap $2 neon AC tester lights. Normally yes,, but in this case he needs to know he has the full 117 volts. The neon will light with 40volts or less and it can even be hard to judge how bright a light bulb should be when it has no shade. |
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On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 04:01:51 +0000 (UTC), gregz
wrote: " wrote: On Mar 17, 4:56 pm, joevan wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 13:23:46 -0400, joevan wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 09:18:38 -0700 (PDT), Evan wrote: On Mar 17, 8:41 am, joevan wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 20:31:34 -0700 (PDT), Evan wrote: On Mar 16, 9:05 pm, joevan wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 19:59:25 -0400, joevan wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 19:13:42 -0400, RBM wrote: On 3/16/2012 6:10 PM, joevan wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 17:06:00 -0400, wrote: On 3/16/2012 2:36 PM, joevan wrote: I am looking for a place where I can get 8 inches or a foot of resist wire. It is about 3/8 inch in diameter. The unit fails to get hot enough anymore and we need it and cannot find anything like it. What type of supply house or business do I start my search with. It does sound like you're looking for a heating element, not a resistance wire. Why not replace the heater? It is not a heater. It is a unit with a heated surface and a pan with a special column thru which a column and it supports a special stirring paddle. We have searched for such. From my assistants email " Tefal no longer advertises it as you said and it didnt mention parts available under the section for repair. I will keep looking." OK, It sounds like some type of Calrod. On one end of the rod there should be a wattage and voltage stamped into the metal. This should help to locate a similar element if the manufacturer can't get you a replacement I could post a picture of the heat element. What is a good place to do so? http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3622/img0177rj.jpg Maybe a picture of the entire device would be good also, so that how that heating element/ Calrod is being used by the appliance... ~~ Evan Ok I will try but to get to the heating unit I had to remove some of the wires. They make it very difficult to get inside of newer things, I guess to keep people from repairing them. Because many small appliances can be dangerous if you do not repair them correctly -- you definitely will void the UL rating unless you replace what you suspect is the faulty part with an identical one, and given how purpose-specific that application seems it is unlikely to be available as a replacement part... Appliances made these days are meant to be recycled when they fail, the high cost of some of the replacement parts and the labor to install them is supposed to motivate you to buy a newer unit.. ~~ Evan I would buy a new one if I could find one. We use it to make a special paste used for paper repair. If it can be repaired that would be good and would save me the 25 minutes of standing at the gas range stirring it while the paste cooks. Here is another shot showing the wire leading to the thermostat. Also another one showing connection wires above the heating element. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...mg0180sy.jpg/- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You've verified that you have 120V present at the heating element, ie that it's not the thermostat or something else that's faulty? In my experience, it's more often something other than the heating element itself. Looks likely a thermal cutoff under the black insulation. Yes, probably has one. Those two would be all or nothing at all. Of course maybe the thing is not hot at all anymore, and it just feels hot because they expect it to be hot. If a thermal fuse is burnt out, from overheating, they sell replacements for each temperature. If the old one isn't too bad, you can read the temp off the old one, but probably not. And then there is connecting it to the circuit. Can't be soldered iiuc because it will overheat in the process. Has to be crimped. I have a crimper or I could use the rear side of wire cutters, but I don't have the right thing that goes around it and is small enough. Suggestions. I was just fiddling around with something I didnt' buy and didn't really need, so I threw it away. Greg |
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I usually check the element for continuity, using a VOM.
In addition to check for voltage. Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. wrote in message ... Here is another shot showing the wire leading to the thermostat. Also another one showing connection wires above the heating element. http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...mg0180sy.jpg/- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You've verified that you have 120V present at the heating element, ie that it's not the thermostat or something else that's faulty? In my experience, it's more often something other than the heating element itself. |
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Have you used a VOM before? Most folks who have used one, still own one from
some where. HF has cheap VOM, and also Walmart, in the automotive section. Sounds like time to find someone who has electrical troubleshooting skill, and call for help. In person, not just on a usenet group. Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "joevan" wrote in message ... http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...mg0180sy.jpg/- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You've verified that you have 120V present at the heating element, ie that it's not the thermostat or something else that's faulty? In my experience, it's more often something other than the heating element itself. I need a voltage meter. I heard that harbor freight has one for 10 bucks. I will check on it now. |
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And, someone with electrical troubleshooting skill would have determined
that, already. Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "gregz" wrote in message ... that's faulty? In my experience, it's more often something other than the heating element itself. Looks likely a thermal cutoff under the black insulation. Greg |
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On 3/18/2012 4:38 AM, micky wrote:
On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 08:26:29 -0700, "Bob wrote: .... If it heats at all, the element is probably fine. Absolutely. I should have noticed that. Well, don't be absolutely positive about that w/o checking...I _think_ it's possible for the element to have an internal break so only a lead portion is heating. This would be easy enough to tell... Have you looked for voltage drop elsewhere in the circuit? Is the full voltage getting to the element? The obvious first step is to do the diagnostics, indeed... -- |
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On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 21:05:04 -0400, joevan wrote:
I could post a picture of the heat element. What is a good place to do so? http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3622/img0177rj.jpg How is the element removed? It almost looks as though the alloy casting is crimped around it every 2" or so - is it actually designed to come out (without grinding the casting and then having to find some way of securing the replacement element again after)? cheers Jules |
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Jules Richardson wrote in
: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 21:05:04 -0400, joevan wrote: I could post a picture of the heat element. What is a good place to do so? http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3622/img0177rj.jpg How is the element removed? It almost looks as though the alloy casting is crimped around it every 2" or so - is it actually designed to come out (without grinding the casting and then having to find some way of securing the replacement element again after)? cheers Jules Ah, that is a genuin chuck away piece of hardware. If the element is broken, it is not ment to be repaired. In most cases I have seen, it was not the heating tube, but the thermostat switch, or the over-temp protection element. The last one is most critical, it ages, and when it breaks, you have to get a new one. It looks like a small metal cylinder(3mmX12mm) in one of the feeding wires. |
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Jules Richardson writes:
On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 21:05:04 -0400, joevan wrote: I could post a picture of the heat element. What is a good place to do so? http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3622/img0177rj.jpg How is the element removed? It almost looks as though the alloy casting is crimped around it every 2" or so - is it actually designed to come out (without grinding the casting and then having to find some way of securing the replacement element again after)? Looks to me like you drill out the rivets that attach the brackets to the heat coil, then slide the heat coil out of the grove. Did I read that the problem is, it doesn't get hot enough? If that coil is not broken, I don't think replacing it will be a cure. How about the energy source? -- Dan Espen |
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On Mar 21, 4:45*pm, Dan Espen wrote:
Jules Richardson writes: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 21:05:04 -0400, joevan wrote: I could post a picture of the heat element. What is a good place to do so? http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3622/img0177rj.jpg How is the element removed? It almost looks as though the alloy casting is crimped around it every 2" or so - is it actually designed to come out (without grinding the casting and then having to find some way of securing the replacement element again after)? Looks to me like you drill out the rivets that attach the brackets to the heat coil, then slide the heat coil out of the grove. Did I read that the problem is, it doesn't get hot enough? If that coil is not broken, I don't think replacing it will be a cure. How about the energy source? That could be it. The heater could be designed to only work with electricity from a nuke and he's trying to use hydro or coal based electricity. -- Dan Espen |
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On Mar 21, 4:45Â*pm, Dan Espen wrote: Jules Richardson writes: On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 21:05:04 -0400, joevan wrote: I could post a picture of the heat element. What is a good place to do so? http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3622/img0177rj.jpg How is the element removed? It almost looks as though the alloy casting is crimped around it every 2" or so - is it actually designed to come out (without grinding the casting and then having to find some way of securing the replacement element again after)? Looks to me like you drill out the rivets that attach the brackets to the heat coil, then slide the heat coil out of the grove. Did I read that the problem is, it doesn't get hot enough? If that coil is not broken, I don't think replacing it will be a cure. How about the energy source? That could be it. The heater could be designed to only work with electricity from a nuke and he's trying to use hydro or coal based electricity. Yeah, okay. I meant whatever components this thing has between the coil and the wall plug. If there are any other than the switch. -- Dan Espen |
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