My daughter lives in the London area, and is interested in a water softener.
They have visited with a salesman from a company called Harvey water
softeners. They live in a typical masonettes, so it would have to be a
very small one that goes under the kitchen sink (or next to it). Anyone
have good/bad reviews? thank you in advance

On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 19:57:59 -0700, "nefletch"
wrote:

My daughter lives in the London area, and is interested in a water softener.
They have visited with a salesman from a company called Harvey water
softeners. They live in a typical masonettes, so it would have to be a
very small one that goes under the kitchen sink (or next to it). Anyone
have good/bad reviews? thank you in advance


Are you thinking of Reverse Osmosis systems? I've not found a
household water softener that fits under the sink. An RO system will
and will remove some sediments from the water.

On 1/17/2012 10:34 PM, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 19:57:59 -0700,
wrote:

My daughter lives in the London area, and is interested in a water softener.
They have visited with a salesman from a company called Harvey water
softeners. They live in a typical masonettes, so it would have to be a
very small one that goes under the kitchen sink (or next to it). Anyone
have good/bad reviews? thank you in advance

Are you thinking of Reverse Osmosis systems? I've not found a
household water softener that fits under the sink. An RO system will
and will remove some sediments from the water.

Wouldn't do much good for things you usually have s/w for like bathing,
clothes, hot water heater, washing car. RO is great for drinking water.

On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 22:43:54 -0600, JimT wrote:

On 1/17/2012 10:34 PM, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 19:57:59 -0700,
wrote:

My daughter lives in the London area, and is interested in a water softener.
They have visited with a salesman from a company called Harvey water
softeners. They live in a typical masonettes, so it would have to be a
very small one that goes under the kitchen sink (or next to it). Anyone
have good/bad reviews? thank you in advance

Are you thinking of Reverse Osmosis systems? I've not found a
household water softener that fits under the sink. An RO system will
and will remove some sediments from the water.

Wouldn't do much good for things you usually have s/w for like bathing,
clothes, hot water heater, washing car. RO is great for drinking water.


Right. The OP wants a system under the sink. Good luck with a
softener for that location.

80 lbs. of salt crystals just won't fit under a sink.

Of course this is in the UK.

On 1/17/2012 10:50 PM, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 22:43:54 -0600, wrote:

On 1/17/2012 10:34 PM, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 19:57:59 -0700,
wrote:

My daughter lives in the London area, and is interested in a water softener.
They have visited with a salesman from a company called Harvey water
softeners. They live in a typical masonettes, so it would have to be a
very small one that goes under the kitchen sink (or next to it). Anyone
have good/bad reviews? thank you in advance

Are you thinking of Reverse Osmosis systems? I've not found a
household water softener that fits under the sink. An RO system will
and will remove some sediments from the water.
Wouldn't do much good for things you usually have s/w for like bathing,
clothes, hot water heater, washing car. RO is great for drinking water.

Right. The OP wants a system under the sink. Good luck with a
softener for that location.

80 lbs. of salt crystals just won't fit under a sink.

Of course this is in the UK.

I don't like the taste of the s/w from my system. The ro system takes
care of that.

On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 22:56:15 -0600, JimT wrote:

On 1/17/2012 10:50 PM, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 22:43:54 -0600, wrote:

On 1/17/2012 10:34 PM, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 19:57:59 -0700,
wrote:

My daughter lives in the London area, and is interested in a water softener.
They have visited with a salesman from a company called Harvey water
softeners. They live in a typical masonettes, so it would have to be a
very small one that goes under the kitchen sink (or next to it). Anyone
have good/bad reviews? thank you in advance

Are you thinking of Reverse Osmosis systems? I've not found a
household water softener that fits under the sink. An RO system will
and will remove some sediments from the water.
Wouldn't do much good for things you usually have s/w for like bathing,
clothes, hot water heater, washing car. RO is great for drinking water.

Right. The OP wants a system under the sink. Good luck with a
softener for that location.

80 lbs. of salt crystals just won't fit under a sink.

Of course this is in the UK.

I don't like the taste of the s/w from my system. The ro system takes
care of that.

Nevada has some of the hardest water I've seen.

Even with a whole house softener (all things household) we still have
RO under the sink for drinking, cooking and coffee making purposes.

On Jan 18, 2:57*am, "nefletch" wrote:
My daughter lives in the London area, and is interested in a water softener.
They have visited with a salesman from a company called Harvey water
softeners. *They live in a typical masonettes, so it would have to be a
very small one that goes under the kitchen sink (or next to it). *Anyone
have good/bad reviews? *thank you in advance

There are various technologies about.
The only technology worth considering is the chemical one ie ion
exchange.
You have to add salt regularly.

It's considered unhealthy to be drinking softened water.

I have looked at their website. There are a lot of lies and
exaggerations on it.
If you have a combi boiler, worth considering, it will save the heat
exchanger from getting scaled up.

The only other place where scale is a signifacant problem is in your
hot water cylinder.

Other wise, I wouldn't bother. The "savings" identified are hard to
achieve and small anyway..

On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 23:00:35 -0800 (PST), harry
wrote:


It's considered unhealthy to be drinking softened water.

Why? Because of salt usage in the system?

A glass of softened water equates to the amount of salt in a slice of
white bread.

On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 19:57:59 -0700, nefletch wrote:

My daughter lives in the London area, and is interested in a water
softener. They have visited with a salesman from a company called Harvey
water softeners. They live in a typical masonettes, so it would have
to be a very small one that goes under the kitchen sink (or next to it).
Anyone have good/bad reviews? thank you in advance

Throw a post out to uk.d-i-y, someone will be able to help.

I lived in the UK most of my life and we had some kind of under-sink
softner at one house, but unfortunately I don't recall the model now (and
that was years ago anyway). I never saw those huge water-heater-sized
softners until I moved to the US.

cheers

Jules

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On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 19:57:59 -0700, nefletch wrote:

My daughter lives in the London area, and is interested in a water
softener. They have visited with a salesman from a company called Harvey
water softeners. They live in a typical masonettes, so it would have
to be a very small one that goes under the kitchen sink (or next to it).
Anyone have good/bad reviews? thank you in advance

Throw a post out to uk.d-i-y, someone will be able to help.

I lived in the UK most of my life and we had some kind of under-sink
softner at one house, but unfortunately I don't recall the model now (and
that was years ago anyway). I never saw those huge water-heater-sized
softners until I moved to the US.

cheers

Jules

On Wed, 18 Jan 2012 09:11:55 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Harry, our resident troll, can use this moment to prove he's helpful in some
instance.

Fat chance on that happening.

On Jan 18, 7:56*am, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 23:00:35 -0800 (PST), harry
wrote:



It's considered unhealthy to be drinking softened water.

Why? Because of salt usage in the system?

A glass of softened water equates to the amount of salt in a slice of
white bread.

(a) You need the calcium.
(b) The sodium from ion exchange softeners is bad for you.
(c) The softened water can leach metals out of pipework that is bad
for you. (Epecially lead)

(c) being the worst aspect.

The problem is worse in very hard water areas and if there are small
children/babies in the house.

The topic is controversial, the manufacturers pooh pooh the idea. But
then they would wouldn't they?

On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 23:56:49 -0800, Oren wrote:

On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 23:00:35 -0800 (PST), harry
wrote:


It's considered unhealthy to be drinking softened water.

Why? Because of salt usage in the system?

A glass of softened water equates to the amount of salt in a slice of
white bread.
Which is EXCESSIVE.
What's wrong with drinking hard water?
Here in Waterloo Ontario we use groundwater - quite hard - and I
soften the water to the water heater, bath, and kitchen sink. Not the
toilets, and not the "drinking water" tap in the kitchen. It has a
rainfresh filter on it to take out chlorine etc. That's all.
Great tasting water.

wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 23:56:49 -0800, wrote:

On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 23:00:35 -0800 (PST),
wrote:


It's considered unhealthy to be drinking softened water.

Why? Because of salt usage in the system?

A glass of softened water equates to the amount of salt in a slice of
white bread.
Which is EXCESSIVE.
What's wrong with drinking hard water?
Here in Waterloo Ontario we use groundwater - quite hard - and I
soften the water to the water heater, bath, and kitchen sink. Not the
toilets, and not the "drinking water" tap in the kitchen. It has a
rainfresh filter on it to take out chlorine etc. That's all.
Great tasting water.
Hmmm,
That is per code when a house has water softener installed. When plumber
makes the pipe runs he leaves a loop where softener will be
cut in. For drinking water I have a under the sink multi-stage RO system
with UV light. It can produce upto ~25 Gal a day.

On Wed, 18 Jan 2012 18:33:50 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 23:56:49 -0800, Oren wrote:

On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 23:00:35 -0800 (PST), harry
wrote:


It's considered unhealthy to be drinking softened water.

Why? Because of salt usage in the system?

A glass of softened water equates to the amount of salt in a slice of
white bread.
Which is EXCESSIVE.

Only if Mayor Bloomberg wants to ban all salt in NYC?

What's wrong with drinking hard water?

Nothing. I enjoy artesian well water or water from the mountains,

Here in Waterloo Ontario we use groundwater - quite hard - and I
soften the water to the water heater, bath, and kitchen sink. Not the
toilets, and not the "drinking water" tap in the kitchen. It has a
rainfresh filter on it to take out chlorine etc. That's all.
Great tasting water.

My water, from Lake Mead tastes like water with chalk. You nearly have
to strain this stuff through your teeth. Like John Wayne coffee.

This is my present water supply, until the water authority can get
deeper into the lake,

"The white 'bathtub ring' on the rocks around Lake Mead is from
mineral ..."

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4103/5190129288_baed27c8b7_z.jpg

The sheep enjoy it :-\