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Well it's got to that stage on the house build where the new bathroom
is about to be plumbed in, and I want to avoid the dreaded limescale. Has anyone got any recommendations on a suitable water softener for a 5 bed house, with one bathroom, one en-suite, and the usual array of water guzzling appliances. Any advice appreciated! |
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Has anyone got any recommendations on a suitable water softener for a 5
bed house, with one bathroom, one en-suite, and the usual array of water guzzling appliances. I'm happy with the one I've just bought. It is a twin cylinder water powered metered unit (the best type). www.emwc.co.uk. There are basically 3 different designs for ion-exchange water softeners. 1. Timed single cylinder. The worst type, but cheapest. A timer is set to regenerate every few days. This means you alternate between running out of soft water and wasting salt and water regenerating unnecessarily. The saved money over a metered system will soon be lost to salt wastage alone, let alone any metered water wastage. 2. Metered single cylinder. More expensive, but a vast improvement. The system meters water use and tries to predict if you will run out during the next day. If so, it regenerates overnight. It still can't provide soft water during the regeneration cycle, although hopefully you won't be using water at night. It may waste a little salt or go a bit hard if the prediction is out. 3. Metered twin cylinder. Most expensive. Never runs out and never wastes salt. When the metering indicates that the cylinder is exhausted, it switches supply to the other cylinder and regenerates the exhausted one. This way there is always soft water available, even during regeneration. Regeneration can occur at any time of day or night. No electrical supply is needed to run timers or microcontrollers to determine when to regenerate. Christian. |
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On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:25:48 -0000, Christian McArdle wrote:
2. Metered single cylinder. More expensive, but a vast improvement. [snip] may waste a little salt or go a bit hard if the prediction is out. I've got mine set with a 10% wastage factor built-in. Reckon it costs me another bag of salt per year, but I never get hard water and saved a load of dosh on the purchase of a twin. Your choice, 2 or 3 - don't buy a 1. -- Nigel M |
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"Quiggles" wrote in message
oups.com... Well it's got to that stage on the house build where the new bathroom is about to be plumbed in, and I want to avoid the dreaded limescale. Has anyone got any recommendations on a suitable water softener for a 5 bed house, with one bathroom, one en-suite, and the usual array of water guzzling appliances. Any advice appreciated! Try Permutit - has been atound for 3 generations, possibly America first http://www.elga.co.uk/brands/permutit.php or ScaleWatcher - only 14 years in market http://www.scalewatcher.co.uk/ |
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Quiggles wrote:
Well it's got to that stage on the house build where the new bathroom is about to be plumbed in, and I want to avoid the dreaded limescale. Has anyone got any recommendations on a suitable water softener for a 5 bed house, with one bathroom, one en-suite, and the usual array of water guzzling appliances. Any advice appreciated! Dunno. I have one doing that job, but for the life of me I can';t remember what its called. # Uses a bag of salt a month. Get one with a high flow a rate.. Paid about 600 IIRC. B |
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On 14 Feb 2006 09:01:10 -0800, "Quiggles"
wrote: Well it's got to that stage on the house build where the new bathroom is about to be plumbed in, and I want to avoid the dreaded limescale. Has anyone got any recommendations on a suitable water softener for a 5 bed house, with one bathroom, one en-suite, and the usual array of water guzzling appliances. Whatever you do make sure that you take drinking/cooking water from a non softened tap! Most water softeners will add a certain amount of sodium to the water which can be harmful to health. sponix |
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Sponix wrote:
On 14 Feb 2006 09:01:10 -0800, "Quiggles" wrote: Well it's got to that stage on the house build where the new bathroom is about to be plumbed in, and I want to avoid the dreaded limescale. Has anyone got any recommendations on a suitable water softener for a 5 bed house, with one bathroom, one en-suite, and the usual array of water guzzling appliances. Whatever you do make sure that you take drinking/cooking water from a non softened tap! Most water softeners will add a certain amount of sodium to the water which can be harmful to health. sponix Yes. Its almost as much as a packet of crisps adds..if you drink a whole bathtub. Very dangerous, drinking a whole bathtub. |
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Whatever you do make sure that you take drinking/cooking water from a
non softened tap! It's still quite potable. They just don't recommend it for babies under 1 year old and people on an ultra-low sodium diet. Compared to the amount of salt adding during cooking, it is nothing. You are required to have a hard water tap in the kitchen, though. Christian. |
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On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:09:08 -0000, "Christian McArdle"
wrote: | Whatever you do make sure that you take drinking/cooking water from a | non softened tap! | |It's still quite potable. They just don't recommend it for babies under 1 |year old and people on an ultra-low sodium diet. | |Compared to the amount of salt adding during cooking, it is nothing. We gave up cooking with salt years ago, except home made bread. |You are required to have a hard water tap in the kitchen, though. Not in my area, the soft water comes straight off the peat moors ;o) -- Dave Fawthrop dave hyphenologist co uk Freedom of Speech, Expression, Religion, and Democracy are the keys to Civilization, together with legal acceptance of Fundamental Human rights. |
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Dave Fawthrop wrote: |Compared to the amount of salt adding during cooking, it is nothing. We gave up cooking with salt years ago, except home made bread. |You are required to have a hard water tap in the kitchen, though. Not in my area, the soft water comes straight off the peat moors ;o) I wouldn't be too smug. ;-) Some surveys show people living in soft water areas are more prone to heart trouble than in hard water ones. -- *I have my own little world - but it's OK...they know me here* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Some surveys show people living in soft water areas are more prone to
heart trouble than in hard water ones. A statistic somewhat skewed by the deep fried Mars Bars in Glasgow, I suspect! Christian. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , Dave Fawthrop wrote: |Compared to the amount of salt adding during cooking, it is nothing. We gave up cooking with salt years ago, except home made bread. |You are required to have a hard water tap in the kitchen, though. Firstly, I haven't got a water softener (yet) but did discuss such device at a trade show ... the stand-guy said it's a requirement to have a tap off the rising main .... although I'd interpreted this to mean a (drinking) tap _within_ the kitchen and adjacent to the sink the guy said the regulations didn't _actually_ specify this (and an external garden tap would meet the literal requirement!). {Don't try this at home, children!] Not in my area, the soft water comes straight off the peat moors ;o) I wouldn't be too smug. ;-) Some surveys show people living in soft water areas are more prone to heart trouble than in hard water ones. This reminds me of a tale from water-board man I knew (before they all became owned by foreigners and transmogrified into 'companies') ... apparently there was a village serviced by his water board with water extracted from a 'well'. On assay the water was determined to have a surfeit of xxxx! What was the effect of imbibing xxxx by the inhabitants(customers)? Apparently, the villagers' life expectancy would be limited to seventy-five years! What did the water-board do about the problem? Nothing, nada! -- Brian |
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On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:34:31 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote: In article , Dave Fawthrop wrote: |Compared to the amount of salt adding during cooking, it is nothing. We gave up cooking with salt years ago, except home made bread. |You are required to have a hard water tap in the kitchen, though. Not in my area, the soft water comes straight off the peat moors ;o) I wouldn't be too smug. ;-) Some surveys show people living in soft water areas are more prone to heart trouble than in hard water ones. That's Glasgow, the land of deep fried pizzas and Mars bars and excessive smoking. Even so, naturally soft water isn't higher in sodium..... -- ..andy |
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Andy Hall wrote: On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:34:31 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote: In article , Dave Fawthrop wrote: |Compared to the amount of salt adding during cooking, it is nothing. We gave up cooking with salt years ago, except home made bread. |You are required to have a hard water tap in the kitchen, though. Not in my area, the soft water comes straight off the peat moors ;o) I wouldn't be too smug. ;-) Some surveys show people living in soft water areas are more prone to heart trouble than in hard water ones. That's Glasgow, the land of deep fried pizzas and Mars bars and excessive smoking. Even so, naturally soft water isn't higher in sodium..... IME, the deep fried pizzas were better. However, it was the peat content coming out of the tap which gave the water real body and a unique taste. Regards Capitol |
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Andy Hall wrote: Some surveys show people living in soft water areas are more prone to heart trouble than in hard water ones. That's Glasgow, the land of deep fried pizzas and Mars bars and excessive smoking. Glasgow is the only soft water area in the UK? Even so, naturally soft water isn't higher in sodium..... Dunno what the reason or theory is. -- *Cover me. I'm changing lanes. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:41:08 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote: In article , Andy Hall wrote: Some surveys show people living in soft water areas are more prone to heart trouble than in hard water ones. That's Glasgow, the land of deep fried pizzas and Mars bars and excessive smoking. Glasgow is the only soft water area in the UK? No, although it does seem that most of the reports about increased CHD emanate from there. Even so, naturally soft water isn't higher in sodium..... Dunno what the reason or theory is. -- ..andy |
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On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:00:20 +0000, Andy Hall
wrote: Umm... no. Umm..yes. There is more sodium in a slice of bread than several litres of softened water. It has a cumulative effect. Southern water (and I assume other water boards) insist on a seperate unsoftened tap so as not to breach the water supply regulations. sponix |
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Dave Fawthrop wrote: Except for a few, who had to be casevaced to the UK. ^^^^^^^^^ Is this straight from Reader's Digest 'increase your word power' ? Not in my computer dictionary, and I've never heard it before. -- *Men are from Earth, women are from Earth. Deal with it. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 15:19:10 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote: In article , Dave Fawthrop wrote: Except for a few, who had to be casevaced to the UK. ^^^^^^^^^ Is this straight from Reader's Digest 'increase your word power' ? Not in my computer dictionary, and I've never heard it before. Comes from the same pseudo-military dictionary as FUBAR. This one is not derived from casevace as one might think, but from "casevac" or cas-evac short for casualty evacuation. It reminds me of a holiday in Scotland one year when I was a kid. My mother looked at the sign above a woollens shop (Macewens in Pitlochry, I think it was), and thought that Mace-wen was a funny name for a shopkeeper. -- ..andy |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Dave Fawthrop wrote: Except for a few, who had to be casevaced to the UK. ^^^^^^^^^ Is this straight from Reader's Digest 'increase your word power' ? Not in my computer dictionary, and I've never heard it before. Not in the OED either. But let me compensate you with extispicy, an activity in which many experts are currently employed. Douglas de Lacey |
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On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 15:19:10 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote: |In article , | Dave Fawthrop wrote: | Except for a few, who had to be casevaced to the UK. | ^^^^^^^^^ | |Is this straight from Reader's Digest 'increase your word power' ? | |Not in my computer dictionary, and I've never heard it before. CASualty EVACUation. -- Dave Fawthrop dave hyphenologist co uk Freedom of Speech, Expression, Religion, and Democracy are the keys to Civilization, together with legal acceptance of Fundamental Human rights. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , Dave Fawthrop wrote: Except for a few, who had to be casevaced to the UK. ^^^^^^^^^ Is this straight from Reader's Digest 'increase your word power' ? Not in my computer dictionary, and I've never heard it before. Perhaps you don't get out often enough? Is a 'computer dictionary' one that explains RAM, ROM, CPU et.al .. ? Or; is it your computer's dictionary that can't explain the etymology of [CasEvac] CASualty EVACuation? 'The unit evacuated two civilians' = two civilians 'walked out' with the unit's assistance. 'Two civilians were casevaced = two civilians were moved on stretchers (air/ambulance) ~ basically couldn't move without medical assistance. HTH -- Brian |
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Brian Sharrock wrote: Perhaps you don't get out often enough? Is a 'computer dictionary' one that explains RAM, ROM, CPU et.al .. ? No - simply an electronic version of Collins GEM. But not recent. Or; is it your computer's dictionary that can't explain the etymology of [CasEvac] CASualty EVACuation? 'The unit evacuated two civilians' = two civilians 'walked out' with the unit's assistance. 'Two civilians were casevaced = two civilians were moved on stretchers (air/ambulance) ~ basically couldn't move without medical assistance. Ah - it's jargon? Is it in any dictionary yet? -- *The older you get, the better you realize you were. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:37:05 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote: In article , Brian Sharrock wrote: Perhaps you don't get out often enough? Is a 'computer dictionary' one that explains RAM, ROM, CPU et.al .. ? No - simply an electronic version of Collins GEM. But not recent. Or; is it your computer's dictionary that can't explain the etymology of [CasEvac] CASualty EVACuation? 'The unit evacuated two civilians' = two civilians 'walked out' with the unit's assistance. 'Two civilians were casevaced = two civilians were moved on stretchers (air/ambulance) ~ basically couldn't move without medical assistance. Ah - it's jargon? Is it in any dictionary yet? It probably was in 1943. -- ..andy |
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On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:44:52 +0000, Andy Hall wrote:
|On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:37:05 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote: | |In article , | Brian Sharrock wrote: | Perhaps you don't get out often enough? | Is a 'computer dictionary' one that explains RAM, ROM, | CPU et.al .. ? | |No - simply an electronic version of Collins GEM. But not recent. | | Or; is it your computer's dictionary that can't explain the | etymology of [CasEvac] CASualty EVACuation? | 'The unit evacuated two civilians' = two civilians 'walked out' with the | unit's assistance. | 'Two civilians were casevaced = two civilians were moved on stretchers | (air/ambulance) ~ basically couldn't move without medical assistance. | |Ah - it's jargon? Is it in any dictionary yet? | |It probably was in 1943. Also early 1960s -- Dave Fawthrop dave hyphenologist co uk Freedom of Speech, Expression, Religion, and Democracy are the keys to Civilization, together with legal acceptance of Fundamental Human rights. |
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On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:17:16 +0000, Dave Fawthrop
wrote: On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:44:52 +0000, Andy Hall wrote: |On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:37:05 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote: | |In article , | Brian Sharrock wrote: | Perhaps you don't get out often enough? | Is a 'computer dictionary' one that explains RAM, ROM, | CPU et.al .. ? | |No - simply an electronic version of Collins GEM. But not recent. | | Or; is it your computer's dictionary that can't explain the | etymology of [CasEvac] CASualty EVACuation? | 'The unit evacuated two civilians' = two civilians 'walked out' with the | unit's assistance. | 'Two civilians were casevaced = two civilians were moved on stretchers | (air/ambulance) ~ basically couldn't move without medical assistance. | |Ah - it's jargon? Is it in any dictionary yet? | |It probably was in 1943. Also early 1960s OK. I guess it had to be, considering the geography. -- ..andy |
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