READSBORO — State police say a Vermont hunter shot a friend who was
tracking a deer and then killed himself after realizing his friend was
dead.

Sgt. Albert Abdelnour says three men were hunting midday Saturday in
southwestern Vermont when 39-year-old Benjamin Birch, of Readsboro, shot
a deer. The injured deer ran, and Birch and the two other men chased
after it.

Police say 49-year-old Timothy Bolognani, of Readsboro, then fired a
shot and heard Birch cry out. Bolognani and the third man found Birch
injured from the gunshot, and he died.

Abdelnour says a "distraught" Bolognani then used his rifle to kill
himself.

An autopsy will be conducted on the two bodies. State police say there
is no evidence of foul play.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/a...ter-pal-killed

---------------

At least they're taking themselves out, one gun owner at a time (or in
this case, two).

If it wasn't from hunting deer, it would be the impending global
financial crash and resulting economic turmoil. Those in the US that
will be pushed over the financial edge will resort to the handgun under
their mattress as they exit themselves (and their families) from this
earthly stage.

Home Guy wrote in :

READSBORO — State police say a Vermont hunter shot a friend who was
tracking a deer and then killed himself after realizing his friend was
dead.

Sgt. Albert Abdelnour says three men were hunting midday Saturday in
southwestern Vermont when 39-year-old Benjamin Birch, of Readsboro,
shot a deer. The injured deer ran, and Birch and the two other men
chased after it.

Police say 49-year-old Timothy Bolognani, of Readsboro, then fired a
shot and heard Birch cry out. Bolognani and the third man found Birch
injured from the gunshot, and he died.

Abdelnour says a "distraught" Bolognani then used his rifle to kill
himself.

An autopsy will be conducted on the two bodies. State police say there
is no evidence of foul play.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/a...7/111127001/Co
ps-Upset-Vermont-hunter-kills-self-after-pal-killed

---------------

At least they're taking themselves out, one gun owner at a time (or in
this case, two).

If it wasn't from hunting deer, it would be the impending global
financial crash and resulting economic turmoil. Those in the US that
will be pushed over the financial edge will resort to the handgun
under their mattress as they exit themselves (and their families) from
this earthly stage.


It's a requirement here in VT now. Budget crisis has no money to
investigate or prosecute. Tew rule is if you shoot your buddy then you
must do in yourself.

On 11/27/2011 09:52 AM, Home Guy wrote:
READSBORO — State police say a Vermont hunter shot a friend who was
tracking a deer and then killed himself after realizing his friend was
dead.

Sgt. Albert Abdelnour says three men were hunting midday Saturday in
southwestern Vermont when 39-year-old Benjamin Birch, of Readsboro, shot
a deer. The injured deer ran, and Birch and the two other men chased
after it.

Police say 49-year-old Timothy Bolognani, of Readsboro, then fired a
shot and heard Birch cry out. Bolognani and the third man found Birch
injured from the gunshot, and he died.

Abdelnour says a "distraught" Bolognani then used his rifle to kill
himself.

An autopsy will be conducted on the two bodies. State police say there
is no evidence of foul play.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/a...ter-pal-killed

---------------

At least they're taking themselves out, one gun owner at a time (or in
this case, two).

If it wasn't from hunting deer, it would be the impending global
financial crash and resulting economic turmoil. Those in the US that
will be pushed over the financial edge will resort to the handgun under
their mattress as they exit themselves (and their families) from this
earthly stage.

Oh eat me. This is a truly sad story and your politicizing it makes you
just look like an asshole.

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On 2011-11-27, Nate Nagel wrote:

Oh eat me. This is a truly sad story and your politicizing it makes you
just look like an asshole.

What a co-winkydink. Acting like an asshole makes YOU look jes like
an asshole.

nb

Well, the guy fired while not being sure what was in the
line of fire. Sounds like negligent homicide, to me. Or some
other legal term. Term for careless use of lethal force.

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"Nate Nagel" wrote in message
...
On 11/27/2011 09:52 AM, Home Guy wrote:
READSBORO - State police say a Vermont hunter shot a
friend who was
tracking a deer and then killed himself after realizing
his friend was
dead.

Sgt. Albert Abdelnour says three men were hunting midday
Saturday in
southwestern Vermont when 39-year-old Benjamin Birch, of
Readsboro, shot
a deer. The injured deer ran, and Birch and the two other
men chased
after it.

Police say 49-year-old Timothy Bolognani, of Readsboro,
then fired a
shot and heard Birch cry out. Bolognani and the third man
found Birch
injured from the gunshot, and he died.

Abdelnour says a "distraught" Bolognani then used his
rifle to kill
himself.

An autopsy will be conducted on the two bodies. State
police say there
is no evidence of foul play.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/a...ter-pal-killed
has a length of 122 characters and resulted in the following
TinyURL which has a length of 26 characters:
http://tinyurl.com/7ntzez3


---------------

At least they're taking themselves out, one gun owner at a
time (or in
this case, two).

If it wasn't from hunting deer, it would be the impending
global
financial crash and resulting economic turmoil. Those in
the US that
will be pushed over the financial edge will resort to the
handgun under
their mattress as they exit themselves (and their
families) from this
earthly stage.

Oh eat me. This is a truly sad story and your politicizing
it makes you
just look like an asshole.

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On Nov 27, 6:52*am, Home Guy wrote:
READSBORO — State police say a Vermont hunter shot a friend who was
tracking a deer and then killed himself after realizing his friend was
dead.

Sgt. Albert Abdelnour says three men were hunting midday Saturday in
southwestern Vermont when 39-year-old Benjamin Birch, of Readsboro, shot
a deer. The injured deer ran, and Birch and the two other men chased
after it.

Police say 49-year-old Timothy Bolognani, of Readsboro, then fired a
shot and heard Birch cry out. Bolognani and the third man found Birch
injured from the gunshot, and he died.

Abdelnour says a "distraught" Bolognani then used his rifle to kill
himself.

An autopsy will be conducted on the two bodies. State police say there
is no evidence of foul play.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/a...S07/111127001/...

---------------

At least they're taking themselves out, one gun owner at a time (or in
this case, two).

If it wasn't from hunting deer, it would be the impending global
financial crash and resulting economic turmoil. *Those in the US that
will be pushed over the financial edge will resort to the handgun under
their mattress as they exit themselves (and their families) from this
earthly stage.

So you are so dumb you think the only way one can suicide is from a
gun? amazing, even my mentally challenged cousin knows better than
that.

Harry K

On 11/27/2011 10:08 AM, notbob wrote:
On 2011-11-27, Nate wrote:

Oh eat me. This is a truly sad story and your politicizing it makes you
just look like an asshole.

What a co-winkydink. Acting like an asshole makes YOU look jes like
an asshole.

If that was aimed at me, show me where I've acted like an asshole.

Hint: calling some mean-spirited idiot lowlife an asshole is not "acting
like an asshole." The world would be a nicer place if people weren't
afraid to stop every now and then and say "hey, man, that's not cool,
knock it off."

nate

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On 2011-11-27, Nate Nagel wrote:

afraid to stop every now and then and say "hey, man, that's not cool,
knock it off."

Unfortunately, that's not what you posted.

nb

On 11/27/2011 10:38 AM, notbob wrote:
On 2011-11-27, Nate wrote:

afraid to stop every now and then and say "hey, man, that's not cool,
knock it off."

Unfortunately, that's not what you posted.

nb

The OP deserved a stronger caution, especially given his recent history
of posting deliberately inflammatory anti-US material. That last post
crossed the line to "despicable human being" (if "human being" can be
used to describe someone that sick and devoid of feelings.)

nate

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Harry K used improper message composition style by unnecessarily
full-quoting:

Those in the US that will be pushed over the financial edge will
resort to the handgun under their mattress as they exit themselves
(and their families) from this earthly stage.

So you are so dumb you think the only way one can suicide is from a
gun? amazing, even my mentally challenged cousin knows better than
that.

Show me where I actually said that "the only way one can commit suicide
is from a gun".

You're the one with a reading comprehension problem, you dolt. And I
thought that english was your native language.

But since you brought it up, here - I'll rub your nose in this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_methods

===========
In the United States, firearms remain the most common method of suicide,
accounting for 53.7% of all suicides committed during 2003
===========

So even if I DID claim that firearms was the MOST common or typical way
to commit suicide in the US - I'd be right.

And given that there are something like a handful of guns per US
household (just going by the raw numbers) it's a no brainer why guns are
the method of choice for suicide.

Now go and straighten up you nose and use some common sense before you
try to shoot me down.

On Nov 27, 8:52*am, Home Guy wrote:
READSBORO — State police say a Vermont hunter shot a friend who was
tracking a deer and then killed himself after realizing his friend was
dead.

Sgt. Albert Abdelnour says three men were hunting midday Saturday in
southwestern Vermont when 39-year-old Benjamin Birch, of Readsboro, shot
a deer. The injured deer ran, and Birch and the two other men chased
after it.

Police say 49-year-old Timothy Bolognani, of Readsboro, then fired a
shot and heard Birch cry out. Bolognani and the third man found Birch
injured from the gunshot, and he died.

Abdelnour says a "distraught" Bolognani then used his rifle to kill
himself.

An autopsy will be conducted on the two bodies. State police say there
is no evidence of foul play.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/a...S07/111127001/...

---------------

At least they're taking themselves out, one gun owner at a time (or in
this case, two).

If it wasn't from hunting deer, it would be the impending global
financial crash and resulting economic turmoil. *Those in the US that
will be pushed over the financial edge will resort to the handgun under
their mattress as they exit themselves (and their families) from this
earthly stage.


Some people can't handle the responsibility of having a gun in their
possession just like some people can't handle the responsibility of
being able to drive. It's why I shake my head in disbelief when I hear
some gun enthusiasts say that there should be a law that requires
everyone to carry a gun.

-C-

On 11/27/2011 10:38 AM, notbob wrote:
On 2011-11-27, Nate wrote:

afraid to stop every now and then and say "hey, man, that's not cool,
knock it off."

Unfortunately, that's not what you posted.

nb

Actually he posted a very reasonable on target response using real words.

On Nov 27, 3:01*pm, Red Green wrote:
Home Guy wrote :





READSBORO — State police say a Vermont hunter shot a friend who was
tracking a deer and then killed himself after realizing his friend was
dead.

Sgt. Albert Abdelnour says three men were hunting midday Saturday in
southwestern Vermont when 39-year-old Benjamin Birch, of Readsboro,
shot a deer. The injured deer ran, and Birch and the two other men
chased after it.

Police say 49-year-old Timothy Bolognani, of Readsboro, then fired a
shot and heard Birch cry out. Bolognani and the third man found Birch
injured from the gunshot, and he died.

Abdelnour says a "distraught" Bolognani then used his rifle to kill
himself.

An autopsy will be conducted on the two bodies. State police say there
is no evidence of foul play.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/a...7/111127001/Co
ps-Upset-Vermont-hunter-kills-self-after-pal-killed

---------------

At least they're taking themselves out, one gun owner at a time (or in
this case, two).

If it wasn't from hunting deer, it would be the impending global
financial crash and resulting economic turmoil. *Those in the US that
will be pushed over the financial edge will resort to the handgun
under their mattress as they exit themselves (and their families) from
this earthly stage.

It's a requirement here in VT now. Budget crisis has no money to
investigate or prosecute. Tew rule is if you shoot your buddy then you
must do in yourself.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Ah well. They got to know how the deer feels.

On 11/27/2011 12:14 PM, Home Guy wrote:

You're the one with a reading comprehension problem, you dolt. And I
thought that english was your native language.

Childish name calling will always reinforce your point...

On 11/27/2011 12:17 PM, Country wrote:
On Nov 27, 8:52 am, Home wrote:
READSBORO — State police say a Vermont hunter shot a friend who was
tracking a deer and then killed himself after realizing his friend was
dead.

Sgt. Albert Abdelnour says three men were hunting midday Saturday in
southwestern Vermont when 39-year-old Benjamin Birch, of Readsboro, shot
a deer. The injured deer ran, and Birch and the two other men chased
after it.

Police say 49-year-old Timothy Bolognani, of Readsboro, then fired a
shot and heard Birch cry out. Bolognani and the third man found Birch
injured from the gunshot, and he died.

Abdelnour says a "distraught" Bolognani then used his rifle to kill
himself.

An autopsy will be conducted on the two bodies. State police say there
is no evidence of foul play.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/a...S07/111127001/...

---------------

At least they're taking themselves out, one gun owner at a time (or in
this case, two).

If it wasn't from hunting deer, it would be the impending global
financial crash and resulting economic turmoil. Those in the US that
will be pushed over the financial edge will resort to the handgun under
their mattress as they exit themselves (and their families) from this
earthly stage.


Some people can't handle the responsibility of having a gun in their
possession just like some people can't handle the responsibility of
being able to drive. It's why I shake my head in disbelief when I hear
some gun enthusiasts say that there should be a law that requires
everyone to carry a gun.

-C-

Actually I believe there is a similar law in Switzerland.

nate

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Home Guy writes:

READSBORO €” State police say a Vermont hunter shot a friend who was
tracking a deer and then killed himself after realizing his friend was
dead.

Sgt. Albert Abdelnour says three men were hunting midday Saturday in
southwestern Vermont when 39-year-old Benjamin Birch, of Readsboro, shot
a deer. The injured deer ran, and Birch and the two other men chased
after it.

Police say 49-year-old Timothy Bolognani, of Readsboro, then fired a
shot and heard Birch cry out. Bolognani and the third man found Birch
injured from the gunshot, and he died.

Abdelnour says a "distraught" Bolognani then used his rifle to kill
himself.

What is this alt.suicide.prevention?

I can't see any link to home repair at all.

This is an interesting case study of psychology.
Who would of thought that guilt over an accident would lead to suicide.
My guess is there is more going on than the article reveals.
Can't say what, but I'm thinking alcohol, pre-existing depression, or
something else.

At least they're taking themselves out, one gun owner at a time (or in
this case, two).

This is totally uncalled for.
As a card carrying liberal* I have nothing against guns or gun owners.
Shooting guns and getting out into the woods is lots of fun.

* I used to think of myself as someone that often voted Democrat but
was able to see both sides.
I found that even being in favor of the death penalty and other right
wing stances is not enough anymore.
You're either a right wing fanatic or you're a liberal commie pinko.

--
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On 11/27/2011 12:40 PM, harry wrote:
On Nov 27, 3:01 pm, Red wrote:
Home wrote :





READSBORO — State police say a Vermont hunter shot a friend who was
tracking a deer and then killed himself after realizing his friend was
dead.

Sgt. Albert Abdelnour says three men were hunting midday Saturday in
southwestern Vermont when 39-year-old Benjamin Birch, of Readsboro,
shot a deer. The injured deer ran, and Birch and the two other men
chased after it.

Police say 49-year-old Timothy Bolognani, of Readsboro, then fired a
shot and heard Birch cry out. Bolognani and the third man found Birch
injured from the gunshot, and he died.

Abdelnour says a "distraught" Bolognani then used his rifle to kill
himself.

An autopsy will be conducted on the two bodies. State police say there
is no evidence of foul play.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/a...7/111127001/Co
ps-Upset-Vermont-hunter-kills-self-after-pal-killed

---------------

At least they're taking themselves out, one gun owner at a time (or in
this case, two).

If it wasn't from hunting deer, it would be the impending global
financial crash and resulting economic turmoil. Those in the US that
will be pushed over the financial edge will resort to the handgun
under their mattress as they exit themselves (and their families) from
this earthly stage.

It's a requirement here in VT now. Budget crisis has no money to
investigate or prosecute. Tew rule is if you shoot your buddy then you
must do in yourself.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Ah well. They got to know how the deer feels.

So you're a vegetarian, then, I assume?

nate

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George wrote:

Actually he posted a very reasonable on target response using
real words.

He (Nate Nagel) posted a very emotional if not irrational response to my
dry and accurate (if depressing) commentary regarding the quoted story.

He acused me of "politicizing" - as if any aspect of gun ownership and
use in the US can be discussed in any other terms. Gun issues rank
right up there with abortion and taxes as being the MOST political
issues in the US.

Guns are and will be used to kill innocent people, intentionally, by
accident, and under very depressing circumstances. Gun proponents can't
wish those events away no matter how hard they try.

George wrote:

You're the one with a reading comprehension problem, you dolt.

Childish name calling will always reinforce your point...

Nice try at a diversion.

What were you trying to say he

=========
even my mentally challenged cousin knows better than that.
=========

If that isin't a back-door way of calling me "mentally challenged" then
I invite your explanation.

I note that you did not rebutt the more pertinent aspects of my response
- an indication that you surrendered those points to me.

On 11/27/2011 12:56 PM, Home Guy wrote:
George wrote:

Actually he posted a very reasonable on target response using
real words.

He (Nate Nagel) posted a very emotional if not irrational response to my
dry and accurate (if depressing) commentary regarding the quoted story.

He acused me of "politicizing" - as if any aspect of gun ownership and
use in the US can be discussed in any other terms. Gun issues rank
right up there with abortion and taxes as being the MOST political
issues in the US.

There are no "gun issues" save for people owning them who have not been
properly trained in the safe use and handling thereof. US citizens have
the right to own guns, don't like it, don't live here - and don't
criticize us for our choices if you live elsewhere.

Guns are and will be used to kill innocent people, intentionally, by
accident, and under very depressing circumstances. Gun proponents can't
wish those events away no matter how hard they try.

It was a hunting accident, you moron. Now there possibly (likely?) was
a lapse of judgment involved, but that doesn't make it any less tragic,
nor is an anecdote any kind of justification for running around and
yelling "guns are bad! see? see?"

Let me guess, you think that meat magically appears on little
shrink-wrapped styrofoam trays?

nate


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George wrote:

Actually he posted a very reasonable on target response using
real words.

He (Nate Nagel) posted a very emotional if not irrational response to
my dry and accurate (if depressing) commentary regarding the quoted
story.

He acused me of "politicizing" - as if any aspect of gun ownership
and
use in the US can be discussed in any other terms. Gun issues rank
right up there with abortion and taxes as being the MOST political
issues in the US.

Guns are and will be used to kill innocent people, intentionally, by
accident, and under very depressing circumstances. Gun proponents
can't wish those events away no matter how hard they try.

maybe not, but you're still an asshole

Nate Nagel wrote in
:

On 11/27/2011 12:40 PM, harry wrote:
On Nov 27, 3:01 pm, Red wrote:
Home wrote :





READSBORO — State police say a Vermont hunter shot a friend who was
tracking a deer and then killed himself after realizing his friend
was dead.

Sgt. Albert Abdelnour says three men were hunting midday Saturday
in southwestern Vermont when 39-year-old Benjamin Birch, of
Readsboro, shot a deer. The injured deer ran, and Birch and the two
other men chased after it.

Police say 49-year-old Timothy Bolognani, of Readsboro, then fired
a shot and heard Birch cry out. Bolognani and the third man found
Birch injured from the gunshot, and he died.

Abdelnour says a "distraught" Bolognani then used his rifle to kill
himself.

An autopsy will be conducted on the two bodies. State police say
there is no evidence of foul play.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/a...WS07/111127001
/Co ps-Upset-Vermont-hunter-kills-self-after-pal-killed

---------------

At least they're taking themselves out, one gun owner at a time (or
in this case, two).

If it wasn't from hunting deer, it would be the impending global
financial crash and resulting economic turmoil. Those in the US
that will be pushed over the financial edge will resort to the
handgun under their mattress as they exit themselves (and their
families) from this earthly stage.

It's a requirement here in VT now. Budget crisis has no money to
investigate or prosecute. Tew rule is if you shoot your buddy then
you must do in yourself.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Ah well. They got to know how the deer feels.

So you're a vegetarian, then, I assume?

Got nothing to do with it. Another subject.

It's a matter of doing it first hand. I couldn't do it (situation
considering). I don't belittle others for doing it. I don't understand
how others can ENJOY doing it. I don't think head lice have rights. Don't
ask me where the line is between the two. Never mattered to me.


nate

wrote in :

Home Guy writes:

READSBORO €” State police say a Vermont hunter shot a friend who was
tracking a deer and then killed himself after realizing his friend
was dead.

Sgt. Albert Abdelnour says three men were hunting midday Saturday in
southwestern Vermont when 39-year-old Benjamin Birch, of Readsboro,
shot a deer. The injured deer ran, and Birch and the two other men
chased after it.

Police say 49-year-old Timothy Bolognani, of Readsboro, then fired a
shot and heard Birch cry out. Bolognani and the third man found Birch
injured from the gunshot, and he died.

Abdelnour says a "distraught" Bolognani then used his rifle to kill
himself.

What is this alt.suicide.prevention?

I can't see any link to home repair at all.

This is an interesting case study of psychology.
Who would of thought that guilt over an accident would lead to
suicide. My guess is there is more going on than the article reveals.
Can't say what, but I'm thinking alcohol, pre-existing depression, or
something else.

Investigators need to look out of the box. Maybe he killed himself first
then shot the other guy. Oh, wait, that wouldn't work...

Nevermind...


At least they're taking themselves out, one gun owner at a time (or
in this case, two).

This is totally uncalled for.
As a card carrying liberal* I have nothing against guns or gun owners.
Shooting guns and getting out into the woods is lots of fun.

* I used to think of myself as someone that often voted Democrat but
was able to see both sides.
I found that even being in favor of the death penalty and other right
wing stances is not enough anymore.
You're either a right wing fanatic or you're a liberal commie pinko.

Stormin Mormon wrote:

Well, the guy fired while not being sure what was in the
line of fire. Sounds like negligent homicide, to me. Or some
other legal term. Term for careless use of lethal force.

I wouldn't call it homicide, more like stupidity. If the dude didn't
shoot himself, he would have to live with it. Unless it was something
other than a stupid "accident", I think the D.A. should not become
involved.

Sad story.


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If you declare war on the United States and you want to kill us,
We're going to kill you first, period."

October 19, 2011 - Ali Soufan (Colbert Report)

"Home Guy" wrote in message ...
Harry K used improper message composition style by unnecessarily
full-quoting:

Those in the US that will be pushed over the financial edge will
resort to the handgun under their mattress as they exit themselves
(and their families) from this earthly stage.

So you are so dumb you think the only way one can suicide is from a
gun? amazing, even my mentally challenged cousin knows better than
that.

Show me where I actually said that "the only way one can commit suicide
is from a gun".

You're the one with a reading comprehension problem, you dolt. And I
thought that english was your native language.

But since you brought it up, here - I'll rub your nose in this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_methods

===========
In the United States, firearms remain the most common method of suicide,
accounting for 53.7% of all suicides committed during 2003
===========

So even if I DID claim that firearms was the MOST common or typical way
to commit suicide in the US - I'd be right.

And given that there are something like a handful of guns per US
household (just going by the raw numbers) it's a no brainer why guns are
the method of choice for suicide.

Now go and straighten up you nose and use some common sense before you
try to shoot me down.

Comprehension problem here and trying to do the math. Errr ... "a handful of
guns" .... Is that like one ... or do you, and those that you know, have
very, very small guns or just large hands?

G. Morgan wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote:

Well, the guy fired while not being sure what was in the
line of fire. Sounds like negligent homicide, to me. Or some
other legal term. Term for careless use of lethal force.

I wouldn't call it homicide, more like stupidity. If the dude didn't
shoot himself, he would have to live with it. Unless it was something
other than a stupid "accident", I think the D.A. should not become
involved.


It WAS a homicide (the killing of one human by the act or omission of
another). As to the TYPE of homicide, that's determined by the facts:

* The shooter intended to kill the victim = Murder
* The victim bragged that he porked the shooter's wife = manslaughter
* The shooter fired at a moving bush = Negligent
* The shooter merely retured fire = Justifiable
* The victim jumped from behind a tree wearing a deer costume = Excusable

G. Morgan wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote:

Well, the guy fired while not being sure what was in the
line of fire. Sounds like negligent homicide, to me. Or some
other legal term. Term for careless use of lethal force.

I wouldn't call it homicide, more like stupidity. If the dude didn't
shoot himself, he would have to live with it. Unless it was something
other than a stupid "accident", I think the D.A. should not become
involved.


What if: The third person used number two's gun to kill both #1 and #2?
After all, it's his word against nobody's at this point.

"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...
G. Morgan wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote:

Well, the guy fired while not being sure what was in the
line of fire. Sounds like negligent homicide, to me. Or some
other legal term. Term for careless use of lethal force.

I wouldn't call it homicide, more like stupidity. If the dude didn't
shoot himself, he would have to live with it. Unless it was something
other than a stupid "accident", I think the D.A. should not become
involved.


What if: The third person used number two's gun to kill both #1 and #2?
After all, it's his word against nobody's at this point.

Excellent point. I think it's time to give Dexter a call.

HeyBub wrote:

G. Morgan wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote:

Well, the guy fired while not being sure what was in the
line of fire. Sounds like negligent homicide, to me. Or some
other legal term. Term for careless use of lethal force.

I wouldn't call it homicide, more like stupidity. If the dude didn't
shoot himself, he would have to live with it. Unless it was something
other than a stupid "accident", I think the D.A. should not become
involved.


What if: The third person used number two's gun to kill both #1 and #2?
After all, it's his word against nobody's at this point.

Heh, I thought about that possibility too.

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If you declare war on the United States and you want to kill us,
We're going to kill you first, period."

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"Home Guy" wrote in message ...
READSBORO - State police say a Vermont hunter shot a friend who was
tracking a deer and then killed himself after realizing his friend was
dead.

Sgt. Albert Abdelnour says three men were hunting midday Saturday in
southwestern Vermont when 39-year-old Benjamin Birch, of Readsboro, shot
a deer. The injured deer ran, and Birch and the two other men chased
after it.

Police say 49-year-old Timothy Bolognani, of Readsboro, then fired a
shot and heard Birch cry out. Bolognani and the third man found Birch
injured from the gunshot, and he died.

Abdelnour says a "distraught" Bolognani then used his rifle to kill
himself.

An autopsy will be conducted on the two bodies. State police say there
is no evidence of foul play.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/a...ter-pal-killed

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At least they're taking themselves out, one gun owner at a time (or in
this case, two).

If it wasn't from hunting deer, it would be the impending global
financial crash and resulting economic turmoil. Those in the US that
will be pushed over the financial edge will resort to the handgun under
their mattress as they exit themselves (and their families) from this
earthly stage.

(flailing wildly) pant, pant, pant! I'm sure there's a pony in all this
horse**** somewhere ............ dig, dig, dig,
.......................................

Lets take a closer look. Suppose the US outlaws gun
training. Then, no one would be able to own a gun, and they
"didn't ban guns".

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"Nate Nagel"
wrote in message ...


There are no "gun issues" save for people owning them who
have not been
properly trained in the safe use and handling thereof. US
citizens have
the right to own guns, don't like it, don't live here - and
don't
criticize us for our choices if you live elsewhere.

nate


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With gun handling, comes gun safety. At least, in my
opinion. Taking an uncertain shot is negligent. Taking an
uncertain shot which damages people or property should be
punishable offense.

"stupid accident" is when you drop your rifle out of the
tree stand, it goes off, and kills someone across the field.
Shouldering a rifle to shoot at a fleeing deer may be
stupid, but I don't call it accident.

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"G. Morgan" wrote in message
...
Stormin Mormon wrote:

Well, the guy fired while not being sure what was in the
line of fire. Sounds like negligent homicide, to me. Or
some
other legal term. Term for careless use of lethal force.

I wouldn't call it homicide, more like stupidity. If the
dude didn't
shoot himself, he would have to live with it. Unless it was
something
other than a stupid "accident", I think the D.A. should not
become
involved.

Sad story.


--

"I don't like to discriminate against terrorists based on
nationality.
If you declare war on the United States and you want to kill
us,
We're going to kill you first, period."

October 19, 2011 - Ali Soufan (Colbert Report)

In that case, it's homicide, pretty clearly so.

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"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...

What if: The third person used number two's gun to kill both
#1 and #2?
After all, it's his word against nobody's at this point.

On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 21:59:44 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Lets take a closer look. Suppose the US outlaws gun
training. Then, no one would be able to own a gun, and they
"didn't ban guns".

What does "training" have to do with "owning"?

Read the post that you trimmed out. By Nate Nagel. If you
read his post first, pay attention to where he says "except
by people who havn't had training" or something like that.

Second, read my reply.

Third, read them both in the mindset of a hoplophobe liberal
Democrat gun banner who wants to take away the right to keep
and bear arms.

Hope that's more clear.

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wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 21:59:44 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Lets take a closer look. Suppose the US outlaws gun
training. Then, no one would be able to own a gun, and they
"didn't ban guns".

What does "training" have to do with "owning"?

On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:38:25 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Read the post that you trimmed out.

If you would learn to post, I wouldn't trim it out. As it is you make a hash
of conversations.

By Nate Nagel. If you
read his post first, pay attention to where he says "except
by people who havn't had training" or something like that.

Second, read my reply.

Third, read them both in the mindset of a hoplophobe liberal
Democrat gun banner who wants to take away the right to keep
and bear arms.

Hope that's more clear.

It really sounds like you were in agreement. Hence, my question.

On Nov 27, 7:33*am, Nate Nagel wrote:
On 11/27/2011 10:08 AM, notbob wrote:

On 2011-11-27, Nate *wrote:

Oh eat me. *This is a truly sad story and your politicizing it makes you
just look like an asshole.

What a co-winkydink. *Acting like an asshole makes YOU look jes like
an asshole.

If that was aimed at me, show me where I've acted like an asshole.

Hint: calling some mean-spirited idiot lowlife an asshole is not "acting
like an asshole." *The world would be a nicer place if people weren't
afraid to stop every now and then and say "hey, man, that's not cool,
knock it off."

nate

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Amen to that!!

Harry K

On Nov 27, 7:38*am, notbob wrote:
On 2011-11-27, Nate Nagel wrote:

afraid to stop every now and then and say "hey, man, that's not cool,
knock it off."

Unfortunately, that's not what you posted.

nb

Unfortuanately for you that _is_ the sense of his post.

Harry K

On Nov 27, 9:14*am, Home Guy wrote:
Harry K used improper message composition style by unnecessarily
full-quoting:

Those in the US that will be pushed over the financial edge will
resort to the handgun under their mattress as they exit themselves
(and their families) from this earthly stage.

So you are so dumb you think the only way one can suicide is from a
gun? *amazing, even my mentally challenged cousin knows better than
that.

Show me where I actually said that "the only way one can commit suicide
is from a gun".

You're the one with a reading comprehension problem, you dolt. *And I
thought that english was your native language.

But since you brought it up, here - I'll rub your nose in this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_methods

===========
In the United States, firearms remain the most common method of suicide,
accounting for 53.7% of all suicides committed during 2003
===========

So even if I DID claim that firearms was the MOST common or typical way
to commit suicide in the US - I'd be right.

And given that there are something like a handful of guns per US
household (just going by the raw numbers) it's a no brainer why guns are
the method of choice for suicide.

Now go and straighten up you nose and use some common sense before you
try to shoot me down.

Ooooo, did I touch a sore point? Note that I did not snip any of that
just so that you can get your panties all wadded up again.

Harry K

On Nov 27, 1:35*pm, Nate Nagel wrote:
On 11/27/2011 12:56 PM, Home Guy wrote:
Gun issues rank
right up there with abortion and taxes as being the MOST political
issues in the US.

There are no "gun issues" save for people owning them who have not been
properly trained in the safe use and handling thereof.

Non sequitur. Training does not prevent willful misconduct, as you
should well know. You don't operate motor vehicles in accordance with
your training.

US citizens have
the right to own guns, don't like it, don't live here - and don't
criticize us for our choices if you live elsewhere.

You tell 'im, Nate. The US is above criticism... from beyond our
borders.

I wonder how you might feel about that criticism if it were to fault
US speed limits...?

Guns are and will be used to kill innocent people, intentionally, by
accident, and under very depressing circumstances. *Gun proponents can't
wish those events away no matter how hard they try.

It was a hunting accident, you moron.

Hitting that which one is presumably aiming can be classified as an
"accident". You must be some kind of firearm expert.

And, I presume, a clairvoyant, since the guy could have shot his
friend intentionally. It is reported that the police say they know
more than they have any method of learning other than from the sole
survivor, to wit:

"Police said Birch, Bolognani and a third man were hunting Saturday
morning when Birch shot a deer."

Unless the police have recovered the round from the deer and matched
it to Birch's gun, they are speculating.

The story, from the typical AP reporter working part-time when they
are not in 3rd grade, does not specify the method by which the police
think they learned that which they profess to know.

Let me guess, you think that meat magically appears on little
shrink-wrapped styrofoam trays?

Let me guess. You think "meat" is shot with a gun before slaughter...
and you've never "observed" must less "read about" what goes on on a
kill floor...?
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