For the first hundred or so years of the USA, people had to
store a year's food, to get them by until the next harvest.
It's a time honored and time tested tradition. Dating back
to the Old Testament days.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Country"
wrote in message
...

Mormons, as a rule, don't smoke, drink, or compete in
tractor pulls. They
are family and community oriented. While some of their
practicies seem a
little odd - like storing a year's supply of food - none
are harmful.

What is odd about storing a years worth of food? I'm not
Mormon but I
do a bit of prepping myself. In fact, a lot of Preppers
aren't Mormons
and quite a few are not even right wingers.

-C-

Joseph Smith wrote in
:

WASHINGTON (ABC 4 News) - Evangelical Baptist preacher Robert Jeffress
called The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints a "cult" and that
conservatives should vote for a "Christian" candidate instead of Mitt
Romney.

http://www.abc4.com/s/08KYJYWnxUGo_AmT4AVaEQ.cspx

Religions are only as good as the people who have them. My number 1
criterion is whether they will let me do my things myway.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

JimT expressed precisely :
On 10/8/2011 8:25 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 20:19:01 -0500, wrote:

Ron Paul looks better everyday.
Can we now talk about lunacy?

Ron Paul is dead in the water.

I was going to say compaired to the rest of the loonies. His basic idea of
small government to protect our liberties appeals to me but when he gets into
specifics he throws me. He wants to leave everything (health, education and
welfare) up to the states and I don't see that being much of a solution
either.

Look at other nations that have national health care. Canadians are
coming to the US for treatment. They have to wait for over a day in the
emergency room for treatment. In the UK it takes nearly two years to
see a specialist to diagnose sleep apnea and then you are not allowed
to buy necessary medical equipment to deal witih it. Is that what you
want here?

Our education system is turning out illiterates so fast that employers
are having trouble screening candidates. They can't even fill out an
employment application correctly! The more the NEA and the federal
government get involved, the more the government throws money to
education, the worse it gets. Is that what you want?

We have families locked into welfare. Teens get pregnant just to get
bigger welfare checks for themselves, just like mommy did. It is
extremely difficult for anyone to give up welfare. They need to make
about $15 an hour to match the benefits they got for watching tv and
visiting with their buddies all day long. Is that what you want?

On 10/9/2011 7:18 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Well, I guess you'd maybe like to watch our Idiot In Chief
declare his religion?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY

And, you're supposed to flame people as Nazis, not child
molestors. This is Usenet, after all.

New Usenet rule: "Ignore Stupid Mormon."

JimT wrote in news:0-
tnet:

New Usenet rule: "Ignore Stupid Mormon."

That is superceded by "Ignore Stupid"

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
:

So, how do you like the Muslim in Chief we got?

Mormons stand for limited government, personal
responsibility, strong families, and are usually frugal with
finances. We promote hard work, honesty, integrity, and good
manners.

That said, from what I know of Mitt Romney, he's much
farther left than most of the Mormon folks I know.

I live in MA.

Romney is definitely a conservative.

But he couldn't *govern* MA as a conservative, since Democrats outnumber
Republicans in the state legislature by 4 to 1. And most of the
Democrats are liberals.

In his term as Governor of MA, Romney vetoed some 250 pieces of
Democratic legislation.
Every single one of his vetoes was overridden.

Even Ronald Reagan couldn't govern MA as a conservative.
Neither could Barry Goldwater or anyone else.



-- Steven L.

"Joseph Smith" wrote in message
...
WASHINGTON (ABC 4 News) - Evangelical Baptist preacher Robert Jeffress
called The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints a "cult" and that
conservatives should vote for a "Christian" candidate instead of Mitt
Romney.



There are many valid considerations that one must consider when considering
a potential candidate.

IMO, their religion or lack thereof is not one of them. Strong moral values
is a valid consideration.

Strong moral values cross all organized religious lines and are not
exclusive to any one group. Religion does not equate to morality.

All religions are cults if you are not a member of that group. That is why
so many have died in the name of God.

Colbyt

"HeyBub" wrote

Some inconsistencies, as noticed befo

So what? A voter could do worse.

Mormons, as a rule, don't smoke, drink, or compete in tractor pulls. They
are family and community oriented. While some of their practicies seem a
little odd - like storing a year's supply of food - none are harmful.

Mormons DO participate in tractor pulls. There's one here locally yearly in
Cedar City. I have a year's supply of food, does that make me odd? The odd
thing is that THEIR food supply has to be bought and blessed by the bishop,
and costs about twice what I can lay in the same groceries for. And if
you'd hang around the local convenience store and state owned (taxes go to
Mormon projects), you will notice a lot of Mormons there as customers.


I understand the CIA and other government agencies like to recruit Mormons
because they are extremely honest and truthful. Plus, many Mormons have
foreign language skills because they served their year of missionary work
in other lands.

No, they recruit them because they have learned foreign languages, and have
spent time in those countries, and have made friends there. The Mormon
faith believes that when the US culture falls apart that there will be a lot
of Mormons already entrenched in the FBI, CIA, and NSA that will be able to
help steer it on whatever path the prophecy du jour comes up with. And they
are not honest and truthful, as they are selling a snakeoil scripture that
they've been taught how to lie about.

My only beef with Mormons, and it's a small one, is that they think
they're Jewish and they want all Jews to become Mormons.

That, and the American Indian dna issue was what got them in trouble. They
went and got the list of the holocaust victims, and were baptizing them in
proxy after death in their temples. The Jewish faith found out about it and
told them to stop. I doubt they have stopped. The American Indian dna
issue shows that the people they claim who fled Jerusalem and founded
colonies in the New World could not have come from the middle east.

Those pesky facts, and lack of one shred of archaeological evidence keeps
tripping them up. But people keep signing up for the fellowship and society
and noodle salad.

Steve

Mike Dobony wrote:
Look at other nations that have national health care. Canadians are
coming to the US for treatment. They have to wait for over a day in
the emergency room for treatment. In the UK it takes nearly two years
to see a specialist to diagnose sleep apnea and then you are not
allowed to buy necessary medical equipment to deal witih it. Is that
what you want here?

More people leave the US for treatment than come here for treatment. What does
that say?

In 2007, an estimated 750,000 Americans traveled abroad for medical care; the
number is expected to increase to 6 million by the end of this year.1 On the
flip side, only a little more than 400,000 nonresidents visited the U.S. in 2008
for the latest medical care.In 2007, an estimated 750,000 Americans traveled
abroad for medical care; the number is expected to increase to 6 million by the
end of this year.1 On the flip side, only a little more than 400,000
nonresidents visited the U.S. in 2008 for the latest medical care.

http://www.the-hospitalist.org/detai...l_Tourism.html

http://www.health-tourism.com/medica.../usa-research/

Stormin Mormon wrote:
So, how do you like the Muslim in Chief we got?

Are all Mormans also morons?

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
:

So, how do you like the Muslim in Chief we got?

Well, that's what the Mormon missionaries told me, that no one that was in
any other church would enter heaven.


Mormons stand for limited government,

Not indicated by the strangle hold they have on the sales of liquor in Utah.
They're so bad at it, they are considerng privatizing it because they are
losing money. That's like owning a whore house and losing money.

personal
responsibility,

Day before yesterday, a young man stabbed his mother in St. George over a
cell phone. They have society's ills in the numbers of everyone else.

strong families,

Only the ones who buy the line that they get their own planet when they pass
on. Other than that, they have families exactly like any others.

and are usually frugal with
finances.

Examine the welfare roles in Utah. The high bankruptcy rate. The high scam
rate.

We promote hard work, honesty, integrity, and good
manners.

And a very high rate of teenage pregnancy, incest, same sex partners,
homosexuality, drug use, and all the rest of it. You're just blind to what
you see, Pollyanna. And good manners is NOT to top post. But you insist so
your religious sig is visible.

Mormons are full fledged sinners, just like the rest of us.

www.whatismormonism.com is a good read for anyone who would like to hear a
rational discussion of the facts.

Steve

On 10/8/2011 11:45 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 22:30:50 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

I'd have to search the web but I'll bet there is a chart somewhere that
shows what faith was practiced by the Presidents of our country. I would
look it up but I don't give a rat's rump about it. ^_^

TDD

He

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y

Proof that good comedy doesn't involve diatribes full of foul language.
What happened to all the clean funny people? ^_^

TDD

On 10/9/2011 11:30 AM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 10/8/2011 11:45 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 22:30:50 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

I'd have to search the web but I'll bet there is a chart somewhere that
shows what faith was practiced by the Presidents of our country. I
would
look it up but I don't give a rat's rump about it. ^_^

TDD

He

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y

Proof that good comedy doesn't involve diatribes full of foul language.
What happened to all the clean funny people? ^_^

TDD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r7wHMg5Yjg

After serious thinking Bob F wrote :
Mike Dobony wrote:
Look at other nations that have national health care. Canadians are
coming to the US for treatment. They have to wait for over a day in
the emergency room for treatment. In the UK it takes nearly two years
to see a specialist to diagnose sleep apnea and then you are not
allowed to buy necessary medical equipment to deal witih it. Is that
what you want here?

More people leave the US for treatment than come here for treatment. What
does that say?

In 2007, an estimated 750,000 Americans traveled abroad for medical care; the
number is expected to increase to 6 million by the end of this year.1 On the
flip side, only a little more than 400,000 nonresidents visited the U.S. in
2008 for the latest medical care.In 2007, an estimated 750,000 Americans
traveled abroad for medical care; the number is expected to increase to 6
million by the end of this year.1 On the flip side, only a little more than
400,000 nonresidents visited the U.S. in 2008 for the latest medical care.

http://www.the-hospitalist.org/detai...l_Tourism.html

http://www.health-tourism.com/medica.../usa-research/

Are they going to countries with socialized medicine or just cheaper
health care? There is a push in Canada to go back to the old way as
socialized medicine is NOT working.

On Oct 9, 4:53*pm, "Steve B" wrote:
"HeyBub" wrote

Some inconsistencies, as noticed befo

So what? A voter could do worse.

Mormons, as a rule, don't smoke, drink, or compete in tractor pulls. They
are family and community oriented. While some of their practicies seem a
little odd - like storing a year's supply of food - none are harmful.

Mormons DO participate in tractor pulls. *There's one here locally yearly in
Cedar City. *I have a year's supply of food, does that make me odd? *The odd
thing is that THEIR food supply has to be bought and blessed by the bishop,
and costs about twice what I can lay in the same groceries for. *And if
you'd hang around the local convenience store and state owned (taxes go to
Mormon projects), you will notice a lot of Mormons there as customers.



I understand the CIA and other government agencies like to recruit Mormons
because they are extremely honest and truthful. Plus, many Mormons have
foreign language skills because they served their year of missionary work
in other lands.

No, they recruit them because they have learned foreign languages, and have
spent time in those countries, and have made friends there. *The Mormon
faith believes that when the US culture falls apart that there will be a lot
of Mormons already entrenched in the FBI, CIA, and NSA that will be able to
help steer it on whatever path the prophecy du jour comes up with. *And they
are not honest and truthful, as they are selling a snakeoil scripture that
they've been taught how to lie about.

My only beef with Mormons, and it's a small one, is that they think
they're Jewish and they want all Jews to become Mormons.

That, and the American Indian dna issue was what got them in trouble. *They
went and got the list of the holocaust victims, and were baptizing them in
proxy after death in their temples. *The Jewish faith found out about it and
told them to stop. *I doubt they have stopped. *The American Indian dna
issue shows that the people they claim who fled Jerusalem and founded
colonies in the New World could not have come from the middle east.

Those pesky facts, and lack of one shred of archaeological evidence keeps
tripping them up. *But people keep signing up for the fellowship and society
and noodle salad.

Steve

I saw a mormon "exhibition" that included Noah's Ark. Complete with
T.Rex on board.So you see, they do move with the times. But is an
unusually lying religion.

On Oct 9, 6:16*pm, Mike Dobony wrote:
After serious thinking Bob F wrote :





Mike Dobony wrote:
Look at other nations that have national health care. Canadians are
coming to the US for treatment. They have to wait for over a day in
the emergency room for treatment. In the UK it takes nearly two years
to see a specialist to diagnose sleep apnea and then you are not
allowed to buy necessary medical equipment to deal witih it. Is that
what you want here?

More people leave the US for treatment than come here for treatment. What
does that say?

In 2007, an estimated 750,000 Americans traveled abroad for medical care; the
number is expected to increase to 6 million by the end of this year.1 On the
flip side, only a little more than 400,000 nonresidents visited the U.S.. in
2008 for the latest medical care.In 2007, an estimated 750,000 Americans
traveled abroad for medical care; the number is expected to increase to 6
million by the end of this year.1 On the flip side, only a little more than
400,000 nonresidents visited the U.S. in 2008 for the latest medical care.

http://www.the-hospitalist.org/detai...edical_Tourism...

http://www.health-tourism.com/medica.../usa-research/

Are they going to countries with socialized medicine or just cheaper
health care? There is a push in Canada to go back to the old way as
socialized medicine is NOT working.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It works here in the UK.

On Oct 8, 10:15*pm, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
So, how do you like the Muslim in Chief we got?

Mormons stand for limited government, personal
responsibility, strong families, and are usually frugal with
finances. We promote hard work, honesty, integrity, and good
manners.

That said, from what I know of Mitt Romney, he's much
farther left than most of the Mormon folks I know.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
*www.lds.org
.

"Joseph Smith" wrote in message

...
WASHINGTON (ABC 4 News) - Evangelical Baptist preacher
Robert Jeffress
called The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints a
"cult" and that
conservatives should vote for a "Christian" candidate
instead of Mitt
Romney.

http://www.abc4.com/s/08KYJYWnxUGo_AmT4AVaEQ.cspx

Mitt Romney is a pandering flip-flopping idiot who enjoyed
campaigning on behalf of others outside of Massachusetts
as opposed to "playing" the role of Governor which he was
elected to...

He left the Commonwealth much worse off than it was when
he took office... Got into a ****ing contest over the whole
Mass Pike tunnel accident and ended up scapegoating a
person over it to make his office look like it was "on top of"
the situation...

It would be nice to have some elected officials who actually
serve in the capacity they are elected to rather than preparing
and campaigning for the next greatest position within their
grasp...

On 10/09/11 01:16 pm, Mike Dobony wrote:

Look at other nations that have national health care. Canadians are
coming to the US for treatment. They have to wait for over a day in
the emergency room for treatment. In the UK it takes nearly two years
to see a specialist to diagnose sleep apnea and then you are not
allowed to buy necessary medical equipment to deal witih it. Is that
what you want here?

More people leave the US for treatment than come here for treatment.
What does that say?

In 2007, an estimated 750,000 Americans traveled abroad for medical
care; the number is expected to increase to 6 million by the end of
this year.1 On the flip side, only a little more than 400,000
nonresidents visited the U.S. in 2008 for the latest medical care.In
2007, an estimated 750,000 Americans traveled abroad for medical care;
the number is expected to increase to 6 million by the end of this
year.1 On the flip side, only a little more than 400,000 nonresidents
visited the U.S. in 2008 for the latest medical care.

http://www.the-hospitalist.org/detai...l_Tourism.html


http://www.health-tourism.com/medica.../usa-research/

Are they going to countries with socialized medicine or just cheaper
health care? There is a push in Canada to go back to the old way as
socialized medicine is NOT working.

Certainly some are going to Canada, but I saw a TV program about some
who are going to Thailand. In both cases, they are paying local "market
price" for their medical procedures.

A US TV program I watched a few days ago (but it might have been
recorded a week or two earlier) had a piece about a physician in
Philadelphia who started investigating the ER statistics and found that
the average cost of a visit was $21,000; he said, "I didn't realize
health care was so expensive." He instituted a program of nurses
visiting the sick in their homes and greatly reduced the number of ER
visits required; one patient went from 32 ER visits in a 6-month period
to only two ER visits in the next 6-month period. This ties in with the
frequent assertion that the USA does a very poor job of preventive
health care. And that physician agreed that hospitals are not going to
want his methods to become widespread, as this would reduce their income.

Even if (as is often asserted) anyone can go to the ER for free, that is
a big cost to the system, even assuming that the actual cost to the
hospital is only 50% of the figure cited above. But is it even true that
anyone can go the the ER and get treated free of charge? Yes, they can
get treated without payment on the spot, but the bills come later: it
happened with our son in August, when -- away from home and on a weekend
-- he had to go to the ER when he had not yet received his new insurance
card and so got recorded as being responsible for his own costs; there
was the facility's bill, the physician's bill, the bills for the X-ray
and the blood test. If he hadn't been able to forward those bills to the
insurance company, would those bills simply have been written off? I
don't think so.

Perce

On Sun, 9 Oct 2011 11:14:56 -0700 (PDT), harry
wrote:

Are they going to countries with socialized medicine or just cheaper
health care? There is a push in Canada to go back to the old way as
socialized medicine is NOT working.- Hide quoted text -


It works here in the UK.

UK man removed a wart with shot gun. Health care in the UK failed the
man.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3638968/Man-rids-finger-of-painful-wart-by-shooting-it-off.html

Hee Haw harry!

On 10/09/11 03:53 pm, Oren wrote:

Are they going to countries with socialized medicine or just cheaper
health care? There is a push in Canada to go back to the old way as
socialized medicine is NOT working.- Hide quoted text -


It works here in the UK.

UK man removed a wart with shot gun. Health care in the UK failed the
man.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3638968/Man-rids-finger-of-painful-wart-by-shooting-it-off.html

Hee Haw harry!

Correction: *a doctor* in the UK failed. (BTW, the man with the wart
could have gone to a different doctor: Brits are not assigned to a
doctor of the Government's choice.) Just as *a hospital* in the USA left
a man (distantly related to me by marriage) with both legs having to be
amputated because of the gangrene that set in while he was being
neglected in the ER. Moral: no healthcare system (or individual
provider) anywhere in th world is perfect, whether government or private.

Perce

On 10/9/2011 1:14 PM, harry wrote:
On Oct 9, 6:16 pm, Mike wrote:
After serious thinking Bob F wrote :





Mike Dobony wrote:
Look at other nations that have national health care. Canadians are
coming to the US for treatment. They have to wait for over a day in
the emergency room for treatment. In the UK it takes nearly two years
to see a specialist to diagnose sleep apnea and then you are not
allowed to buy necessary medical equipment to deal witih it. Is that
what you want here?
More people leave the US for treatment than come here for treatment. What
does that say?
In 2007, an estimated 750,000 Americans traveled abroad for medical care; the
number is expected to increase to 6 million by the end of this year.1 On the
flip side, only a little more than 400,000 nonresidents visited the U.S. in
2008 for the latest medical care.In 2007, an estimated 750,000 Americans
traveled abroad for medical care; the number is expected to increase to 6
million by the end of this year.1 On the flip side, only a little more than
400,000 nonresidents visited the U.S. in 2008 for the latest medical care.
http://www.the-hospitalist.org/detai...edical_Tourism...
http://www.health-tourism.com/medica.../usa-research/
Are they going to countries with socialized medicine or just cheaper
health care? There is a push in Canada to go back to the old way as
socialized medicine is NOT working.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
It works here in the UK.

http://friedenthalfinancial.files.wo...-picture-1.png

I'll find out, someday, if I ever meet a Morman. Will let
you know.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Bob F" wrote in message
...
Stormin Mormon wrote:
So, how do you like the Muslim in Chief we got?

Are all Mormans also morons?

Thanks for the kind words. As for me, I don't think I'm
Jewish. I grew up in a Jewish neighborhood, and two of my
best friends were (are) Jews.

Not sure about the tractor pulls. I havn't read anything
about that. Could be, though. Probably not on Sundays,
though.

And we'd like the entire world to be Mormon, not just the
Jews.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"HeyBub" wrote in message
...

So what? A voter could do worse.

Mormons, as a rule, don't smoke, drink, or compete in
tractor pulls. They
are family and community oriented. While some of their
practicies seem a
little odd - like storing a year's supply of food - none are
harmful.

I understand the CIA and other government agencies like to
recruit Mormons
because they are extremely honest and truthful. Plus, many
Mormons have
foreign language skills because they served their year of
missionary work in
other lands.

My only beef with Mormons, and it's a small one, is that
they think they're
Jewish and they want all Jews to become Mormons.

On Sun, 9 Oct 2011 18:05:01 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

And we'd like the entire world to be Mormon, not just the
Jews.

That sounds boring. No diversity. I've never met a redneck Mormon.

harry wrote:
On Oct 9, 6:16 pm, Mike Dobony wrote:
After serious thinking Bob F wrote :





Mike Dobony wrote:
Look at other nations that have national health care. Canadians are
coming to the US for treatment. They have to wait for over a day in
the emergency room for treatment. In the UK it takes nearly two
years to see a specialist to diagnose sleep apnea and then you are
not allowed to buy necessary medical equipment to deal witih it.
Is that what you want here?

More people leave the US for treatment than come here for
treatment. What does that say?

In 2007, an estimated 750,000 Americans traveled abroad for medical
care; the number is expected to increase to 6 million by the end of
this year.1 On the flip side, only a little more than 400,000
nonresidents visited the U.S. in 2008 for the latest medical
care.In 2007, an estimated 750,000 Americans traveled abroad for
medical care; the number is expected to increase to 6 million by
the end of this year.1 On the flip side, only a little more than
400,000 nonresidents visited the U.S. in 2008 for the latest
medical care.

http://www.the-hospitalist.org/detai...edical_Tourism...

http://www.health-tourism.com/medica.../usa-research/

Are they going to countries with socialized medicine or just cheaper
health care? There is a push in Canada to go back to the old way as
socialized medicine is NOT working.- Hide quoted text -


Sure there is. NOT!

http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_12523427

On Sun, 09 Oct 2011 16:46:11 -0400, "Percival P. Cassidy"
wrote:

Moral: no healthcare system (or individual
provider) anywhere in th world is perfect, whether government or private.

Correct. You can remove a wart by covering it with Duct tape for a
week, or Voodoo rituals.

On Oct 9, 9:13*am, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
What position are we discussing? I thought we were
discussing the elected representative position of President
of the United States.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
*www.lds.org


The Missionary Position!! Stay Awake!!

-C-


.

"Country" wrote in message

...



I don't care if he has sex with a camel - his business.
The man does
not need or deserve to be a leader of the free world,
period!

Can you name anyone running that does deserve to be the
leader of the
free world? What does "deserve" have to do with it anyway?

-C-

On Oct 9, 9:14*am, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
For the first hundred or so years of the USA, people had to
store a year's food, to get them by until the next harvest.
It's a time honored and time tested tradition. Dating back
to the Old Testament days.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
*www.lds.org
.

And still makes sense in this day and time.

-C-


"Country"
wrote in ...

Mormons, as a rule, don't smoke, drink, or compete in
tractor pulls. They
are family and community oriented. While some of their
practicies seem a
little odd - like storing a year's supply of food - none
are harmful.

What is odd about storing a years worth of food? I'm not
Mormon but I
do a bit of prepping myself. In fact, a lot of Preppers
aren't Mormons
and quite a few are not even right wingers.

-C-

Look farther south.... I bet there's at least a few.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Oren" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 9 Oct 2011 18:05:01 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

And we'd like the entire world to be Mormon, not just the
Jews.

That sounds boring. No diversity. I've never met a redneck
Mormon.

harry explained :
On Oct 9, 6:16*pm, Mike Dobony wrote:
After serious thinking Bob F wrote :





Mike Dobony wrote:
Look at other nations that have national health care. Canadians are
coming to the US for treatment. They have to wait for over a day in
the emergency room for treatment. In the UK it takes nearly two years
to see a specialist to diagnose sleep apnea and then you are not
allowed to buy necessary medical equipment to deal witih it. Is that
what you want here?

More people leave the US for treatment than come here for treatment. What
does that say?

In 2007, an estimated 750,000 Americans traveled abroad for medical care;
the number is expected to increase to 6 million by the end of this year.1
On the flip side, only a little more than 400,000 nonresidents visited the
U.S. in 2008 for the latest medical care.In 2007, an estimated 750,000
Americans traveled abroad for medical care; the number is expected to
increase to 6 million by the end of this year.1 On the flip side, only a
little more than 400,000 nonresidents visited the U.S. in 2008 for the
latest medical care.
http://www.the-hospitalist.org/detai...edical_Tourism...
http://www.health-tourism.com/medica.../usa-research/

Are they going to countries with socialized medicine or just cheaper
health care? There is a push in Canada to go back to the old way as
socialized medicine is NOT working.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It works here in the UK.

It would have taken me well over two years there to get my CPAP for
sleep apnea in the UK and several more years to get the humidifier, if
at all. Here in the US it took me less than two months.

On Oct 10, 12:23*am, Oren wrote:
On Sun, 09 Oct 2011 16:46:11 -0400, "Percival P. Cassidy"

wrote:
Moral: no healthcare system (or individual
provider) anywhere in th world is perfect, whether government or private..

Correct. You can remove a wart by covering it with Duct tape for a
week, or Voodoo rituals.

Or it can can be removed by freezing with liquid nitrogen.
One day a month I can go to my doctor's surgery and he has got in
liquid nitrigen for this purpose.
At no cost to me. Except for taxes.

On Oct 10, 4:48*am, Mike Dobony wrote:
harry explained :





On Oct 9, 6:16 pm, Mike Dobony wrote:
After serious thinking Bob F wrote :

Mike Dobony wrote:
Look at other nations that have national health care. Canadians are
coming to the US for treatment. They have to wait for over a day in
the emergency room for treatment. In the UK it takes nearly two years
to see a specialist to diagnose sleep apnea and then you are not
allowed to buy necessary medical equipment to deal witih it. Is that
what you want here?

More people leave the US for treatment than come here for treatment. What
does that say?

In 2007, an estimated 750,000 Americans traveled abroad for medical care;
the number is expected to increase to 6 million by the end of this year.1
On the flip side, only a little more than 400,000 nonresidents visited the
U.S. in 2008 for the latest medical care.In 2007, an estimated 750,000
Americans traveled abroad for medical care; the number is expected to
increase to 6 million by the end of this year.1 On the flip side, only a
little more than 400,000 nonresidents visited the U.S. in 2008 for the
latest medical care.
http://www.the-hospitalist.org/detai...edical_Tourism....
http://www.health-tourism.com/medica.../usa-research/

Are they going to countries with socialized medicine or just cheaper
health care? There is a push in Canada to go back to the old way as
socialized medicine is NOT working.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It works here in the UK.

It would have taken me well over two years there to get my CPAP for
sleep apnea in the UK and several more years to get the humidifier, if
at all. Here in the US it took me less than two months.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You are in cloud cuckoo land. Dunno where you get this drivel from.
If you need such equipment it normally takes a couple of weeks.

Mike Dobony wrote:

It works here in the UK.

It would have taken me well over two years there to get my CPAP for
sleep apnea in the UK and several more years to get the humidifier, if
at all. Here in the US it took me less than two months.

Humph! You could get what you need in less than TWO DAYS by buying it from
any of a dozen suppliers on the net.

Robert Green wrote:
"Oren" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 20:19:01 -0500, JimT wrote:

Ron Paul looks better everyday.

Can we now talk about lunacy?

Ron Paul is dead in the water.

Better call coroner HeyBub to determine if we haul him in or let him
float away.

Not me. I almost never comment on Ron Paul.


I can't think of anything more poetic than the black pizza king
knocking the black ConLaw scholar out of the ring. What this country
needs now is a turn-around specialist with a proven track record.
These are the times when I'm glad to be registered Republican.

Agreed. The president's power derives from his selection of subordinates.
THEY are the ones who actually formulate policy and execute it.

Now as to Ron Paul, in my view Libertarians are much like the Celtic
warriors of old that were hired by English kings to do the fighting: Loyal,
fierce, and no retreat!

You just don't want them to, you know, actually RUN things.

Country wrote:


What is odd about storing a years worth of food? I'm not Mormon but I
do a bit of prepping myself. In fact, a lot of Preppers aren't Mormons
and quite a few are not even right wingers.


The "preppers" are odd, too.

Stormin Mormon wrote:
Thanks for the kind words. As for me, I don't think I'm
Jewish. I grew up in a Jewish neighborhood, and two of my
best friends were (are) Jews.

Not sure about the tractor pulls. I havn't read anything
about that. Could be, though. Probably not on Sundays,
though.

And we'd like the entire world to be Mormon, not just the
Jews.

That would work. My tradition teaches that what God wants is righteous
conduct, not a particular belief system. In our view, one can be a righteous
Baptist or a righteous Buddhist - or a righteous Mormon.

harry explained :
On Oct 10, 4:48*am, Mike Dobony wrote:
harry explained :





On Oct 9, 6:16 pm, Mike Dobony wrote:
After serious thinking Bob F wrote :
Mike Dobony wrote:
Look at other nations that have national health care. Canadians are
coming to the US for treatment. They have to wait for over a day in
the emergency room for treatment. In the UK it takes nearly two years
to see a specialist to diagnose sleep apnea and then you are not
allowed to buy necessary medical equipment to deal witih it. Is that
what you want here?

More people leave the US for treatment than come here for treatment. What
does that say?

In 2007, an estimated 750,000 Americans traveled abroad for medical care;
the number is expected to increase to 6 million by the end of this year.1
On the flip side, only a little more than 400,000 nonresidents visited
the U.S. in 2008 for the latest medical care.In 2007, an estimated
750,000 Americans traveled abroad for medical care; the number is
expected to increase to 6 million by the end of this year.1 On the flip
side, only a little more than 400,000 nonresidents visited the U.S. in
2008 for the latest medical care.
http://www.the-hospitalist.org/detai...edical_Tourism...
http://www.health-tourism.com/medica.../usa-research/
Are they going to countries with socialized medicine or just cheaper
health care? There is a push in Canada to go back to the old way as
socialized medicine is NOT working.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

It works here in the UK.

It would have taken me well over two years there to get my CPAP for
sleep apnea in the UK and several more years to get the humidifier, if
at all. Here in the US it took me less than two months.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You are in cloud cuckoo land. Dunno where you get this drivel from.
If you need such equipment it normally takes a couple of weeks.

It takes 18 months or more to get the sleep study. Then it takes
several more months to get the doctor's evaluation of the study. Then
several more months to get the CPAP, minus the humidifier, unless you
have extremly unusual other conditions. Source: sleep apnea NG from
several British posters. Nobody from the UK had any better experience.
The shortest time from the first call to set up the appointment to
getting the machine was somewhere in the two year range.

HeyBub formulated the question :
Mike Dobony wrote:

It works here in the UK.

It would have taken me well over two years there to get my CPAP for
sleep apnea in the UK and several more years to get the humidifier, if
at all. Here in the US it took me less than two months.

Humph! You could get what you need in less than TWO DAYS by buying it from
any of a dozen suppliers on the net.

I'd like to know where you can get one on the net without a
prescription. Even getting rid of the wait for the machine may
eliminate some of the wait, but one cannot get the sleep study off the
net.

Question, can one try out the masks to see which one fits properly on
the net before wasting one's money on ones that don't work? Finding the
right mask is a nightmare. What about service? Will they come in and
teach you how to use it when you buy online? What about repairs, do
they supply a loaner before giving up your broken machine when you buy
it on the net?

On Oct 10, 6:52*am, "HeyBub" wrote:
Country wrote:

What is odd about storing a years worth of food? I'm not Mormon but I
do a bit of prepping myself. In fact, a lot of Preppers aren't Mormons
and quite a few are not even right wingers.

The "preppers" are odd, too.


Well, you got me there. We may be odd but we will be better fed if the
**** hits the fan.

-C-

On 10/10/2011 8:09 AM, Mike Dobony wrote:
harry explained :
On Oct 10, 4:48 am, Mike Dobony wrote:
harry explained :





On Oct 9, 6:16 pm, Mike Dobony wrote:
After serious thinking Bob F wrote :
Mike Dobony wrote:
Look at other nations that have national health care. Canadians are
coming to the US for treatment. They have to wait for over a day in
the emergency room for treatment. In the UK it takes nearly two
years
to see a specialist to diagnose sleep apnea and then you are not
allowed to buy necessary medical equipment to deal witih it. Is that
what you want here?

More people leave the US for treatment than come here for
treatment. What
does that say?

In 2007, an estimated 750,000 Americans traveled abroad for
medical care;
the number is expected to increase to 6 million by the end of this
year.1
On the flip side, only a little more than 400,000 nonresidents
visited the U.S. in 2008 for the latest medical care.In 2007, an
estimated 750,000 Americans traveled abroad for medical care; the
number is expected to increase to 6 million by the end of this
year.1 On the flip side, only a little more than 400,000
nonresidents visited the U.S. in 2008 for the latest medical care.
http://www.the-hospitalist.org/detai...edical_Tourism...

http://www.health-tourism.com/medica.../usa-research/
Are they going to countries with socialized medicine or just cheaper
health care? There is a push in Canada to go back to the old way as
socialized medicine is NOT working.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

It works here in the UK.

It would have taken me well over two years there to get my CPAP for
sleep apnea in the UK and several more years to get the humidifier, if
at all. Here in the US it took me less than two months.- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

You are in cloud cuckoo land. Dunno where you get this drivel from.
If you need such equipment it normally takes a couple of weeks.

It takes 18 months or more to get the sleep study. Then it takes several
more months to get the doctor's evaluation of the study. Then several
more months to get the CPAP, minus the humidifier, unless you have
extremly unusual other conditions. Source: sleep apnea NG from several
British posters. Nobody from the UK had any better experience. The
shortest time from the first call to set up the appointment to getting
the machine was somewhere in the two year range.



Not that I am advocating medical self-treatment, but here in the states,
you can just go out and buy the machine on your own. Used ones are often
available pretty cheap. Other than the out-of-pocket expense, is there a
medical downside why someone could not just buy one to try, and see if
it helps? The machines can't kill you, can they? Or are the machines a
controlled-access item in UK?

(disclaimer- I would of course not recommend anyone do any invasive
procedures or controlled medication regimens on their own. )

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