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new "green" muriatic acid
Went to Lowes today to get the good stuff. They now have only "Klean-
Strip" brand muriatic acid, which has a bright green label that touts it's environmental safety, and "low fumes". Of course, it doesn't list the concentration. I figured it was diluted. Indeed, I see from the web MSDS sheets that this stuff is "25%" HCl, while the normal stuff is 30%. Grainger seems to sell their own "Green Envy" stuff that's a pathetic 20%. Environmental safety?? Yes, it may be low fumes, but it's also low performance. For those who take deep breaths while bending over muriatic acid, this is the stuff for you! This, of course is the trend in all kinds of solvents and cleaners. The solution to screwing the customer is dilution of the solution. |
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On Thu, 8 Sep 2011 19:33:41 -0700 (PDT), Frank Foder
wrote: Went to Lowes today to get the good stuff. They now have only "Klean- Strip" brand muriatic acid, which has a bright green label that touts it's environmental safety, and "low fumes". Of course, it doesn't list the concentration. I figured it was diluted. Indeed, I see from the web MSDS sheets that this stuff is "25%" HCl, while the normal stuff is 30%. Grainger seems to sell their own "Green Envy" stuff that's a pathetic 20%. The last time I looked at lowe's they had the old stuff and the 'green' stuff. The 'green' was 1/2 the concentration of the regular.[and twice the price, if memory serves] I got mine from the pool place, which was about 20-30% stronger than Lowe's' ''regular'. [OTOH-- it was also about 30% more expensive-- so I only saved shelf space and convenience] Jim |
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On Sep 9, 7:27*am, Han wrote:
Frank Foder wrote in news:d8449f41-ee0f-44ec-af4b- : Went to Lowes today to get the good stuff. They now have only "Klean- Strip" brand muriatic acid, which has a bright green label that touts it's environmental safety, and "low fumes". Of course, it doesn't list the concentration. I figured it was diluted. Indeed, I see from the web MSDS sheets that this stuff is "25%" HCl, while the normal stuff is 30%. Grainger seems to sell their own "Green Envy" stuff that's a pathetic 20%. Environmental safety?? Yes, it may be low fumes, but it's also low performance. For those who take deep breaths while bending over muriatic acid, this is the stuff for you! This, of course is the trend in all kinds of solvents and cleaners. The solution to screwing the customer is dilution of the solution. HCl doesn't dissolve to greater than 30% in water. *Get it a little warmed (just a little is enough), and the HCl gas will come out --- fumes. So 25% is just fine for almost any purpose, and 20% may also be fine, unless your specific purpose requires the strongest acid possible. * -- Best regards Han email address is invalid Most uses of HCL requires dilution anyway so just add a little less water. Jimmie |
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On 9/8/2011 10:33 PM, Frank Foder wrote:
Went to Lowes today to get the good stuff. They now have only "Klean- Strip" brand muriatic acid, which has a bright green label that touts it's environmental safety, and "low fumes". Of course, it doesn't list the concentration. I figured it was diluted. Indeed, I see from the web MSDS sheets that this stuff is "25%" HCl, while the normal stuff is30%. Grainger seems to sell their own "Green Envy" stuff that's a pathetic 20%. Environmental safety?? Yes, it may be low fumes, but it's also low performance. For those who take deep breaths while bending over muriatic acid, this is the stuff for you! This, of course is the trend in all kinds of solvents and cleaners. The solution to screwing the customer is dilution of the solution. I think the azeotrope is 20% and concentrated HCl is 30%. Pure HCl is a gas. |
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We've had enough!
It's time for the dilution of the solution revolution! Cleaners of the world, unit. You have nothing to lose but your cleaning chemicals. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Frank Foder" wrote in message ... Went to Lowes today to get the good stuff. They now have only "Klean- Strip" brand muriatic acid, which has a bright green label that touts it's environmental safety, and "low fumes". Of course, it doesn't list the concentration. I figured it was diluted. Indeed, I see from the web MSDS sheets that this stuff is "25%" HCl, while the normal stuff is 30%. Grainger seems to sell their own "Green Envy" stuff that's a pathetic 20%. Environmental safety?? Yes, it may be low fumes, but it's also low performance. For those who take deep breaths while bending over muriatic acid, this is the stuff for you! This, of course is the trend in all kinds of solvents and cleaners. The solution to screwing the customer is dilution of the solution. |
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JIMMIE wrote in
: On Sep 9, 7:27*am, Han wrote: Frank Foder wrote in news:d8449f41-ee0f-44ec-af4b- : Went to Lowes today to get the good stuff. They now have only "Klean- Strip" brand muriatic acid, which has a bright green label that touts it's environmental safety, and "low fumes". Of course, it doesn't list the concentration. I figured it was diluted. Indeed, I see from the web MSDS sheets that this stuff is "25%" HCl, while the normal stuff is 30%. Grainger seems to sell their own "Green Envy" stuff that's a pathetic 20%. Environmental safety?? Yes, it may be low fumes, but it's also low performance. For those who take deep breaths while bending over muriatic acid, this is the stuff for you! This, of course is the trend in all kinds of solvents and cleaners. The solution to screwing the customer is dilution of the solution. HCl doesn't dissolve to greater than 30% in water. *Get it a little warmed (just a little is enough), and the HCl gas will come out --- fumes. So 25% is just fine for almost any purpose, and 20% may also be fine, unless your specific purpose requires the strongest acid possible. * -- Best regards Han email address is invalid Most uses of HCL requires dilution anyway so just add a little less water. Jimmie As he said. Indeed. -- Best regards Han email address is invalid |
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On Thu, 8 Sep 2011 19:33:41 -0700 (PDT), Frank Foder
wrote: Went to Lowes today to get the good stuff. They now have only "Klean- Strip" brand muriatic acid, which has a bright green label that touts it's environmental safety, and "low fumes". Of course, it doesn't list I bought some of the green stuff intentionally because I was going to let my 17 year old nephew and a friend wash the white brick at my home. They spent about 4 hours washing less than half of the front of the house. Lets just say my nephew lacks motivation. We scrapped the project. Had I left them on the project, they would have eventually made it to the back of the house. On the back side of the house, I have a wooden porch. I was fearful that the acid could have damaged the wood. Anyone know just how strong the green stuff is? It says not to get it on metal or wood. |
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One would think that as the concentration gets lower the price would
go down. Nope. Price hasn't changed. The water they use to dilute it must be pretty pricey stuff! In a few months they'll be selling vinegar for $7/gallon. |
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Frank Foder wrote:
Went to Lowes today to get the good stuff. They now have only "Klean- Strip" brand muriatic acid, which has a bright green label that touts it's environmental safety, and "low fumes". Of course, it doesn't list the concentration. I figured it was diluted. Indeed, I see from the web MSDS sheets that this stuff is "25%" HCl, while the normal stuff is 30%. Grainger seems to sell their own "Green Envy" stuff that's a pathetic 20%. Environmental safety?? Yes, it may be low fumes, but it's also low performance. For those who take deep breaths while bending over muriatic acid, this is the stuff for you! This, of course is the trend in all kinds of solvents and cleaners. The solution to screwing the customer is dilution of the solution. The one that always gets me is the TSP that isn't tri-sodium phosphate. If you're gonna call the product TSP, it should be tri-sodium phosphate, not a degreasing alternative. Jon |
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On 9/8/2011 9:33 PM, Frank Foder wrote:
Went to Lowes today to get the good stuff. They now have only "Klean- Strip" brand muriatic acid, which has a bright green label that touts it's environmental safety, and "low fumes". Of course, it doesn't list the concentration. I figured it was diluted. Indeed, I see from the web MSDS sheets that this stuff is "25%" HCl, while the normal stuff is30%. Grainger seems to sell their own "Green Envy" stuff that's a pathetic 20%. Environmental safety?? Yes, it may be low fumes, but it's also low performance. For those who take deep breaths while bending over muriatic acid, this is the stuff for you! This, of course is the trend in all kinds of solvents and cleaners. The solution to screwing the customer is dilution of the solution. If it works better than dry acid, for pools, it might not be that bad of an idea. Those fumes can kick you on your ass if you get a good enough of a whiff. I know I do everything I can to keep from breathing it in but usually do anyway. |
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On Fri, 9 Sep 2011 12:49:26 -0700 (PDT), Frank Foder
wrote: One would think that as the concentration gets lower the price would go down. Nope. Price hasn't changed. The water they use to dilute it must be pretty pricey stuff! In a few months they'll be selling vinegar for $7/gallon. You're paying for packaging and shipping. They throw in the acid for nothing. |
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I have the same problem with Pseudoephedrine free Sudafed.
-- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Jon Danniken" wrote in message ... This, of course is the trend in all kinds of solvents and cleaners. The solution to screwing the customer is dilution of the solution. The one that always gets me is the TSP that isn't tri-sodium phosphate. If you're gonna call the product TSP, it should be tri-sodium phosphate, not a degreasing alternative. Jon |
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On 9/9/2011 3:16 PM, Metspitzer wrote:
On Thu, 8 Sep 2011 19:33:41 -0700 (PDT), Frank Foder wrote: Went to Lowes today to get the good stuff. They now have only "Klean- Strip" brand muriatic acid, which has a bright green label that touts it's environmental safety, and "low fumes". Of course, it doesn't list I bought some of the green stuff intentionally because I was going to let my 17 year old nephew and a friend wash the white brick at my home. They spent about 4 hours washing less than half of the front of the house. Lets just say my nephew lacks motivation. We scrapped the project. Had I left them on the project, they would have eventually made it to the back of the house. On the back side of the house, I have a wooden porch. I was fearful that the acid could have damaged the wood. Anyone know just how strong the green stuff is? It says not to get it on metal or wood. Strong acid can cause the hydrolysis of cellulose breaking it down to sugar. |
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Sweet!
-- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Frank" wrote in message ... porch. I was fearful that the acid could have damaged the wood. Anyone know just how strong the green stuff is? It says not to get it on metal or wood. Strong acid can cause the hydrolysis of cellulose breaking it down to sugar. |
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One would think that as the concentration gets lower the price would go down. Nope. Price hasn't changed. The water they use to dilute it must be pretty pricey stuff! In a few months they'll be selling vinegar for $7/gallon. You're paying for packaging and shipping. *They throw in the acid for nothing. Yeah, right. That's why I can now get vinegar for $2/gallon. But, yeah, maybe the muriatic acid comes from Nepal or something. Anyone know just how strong the green stuff is? It says not to get it on metal or wood. If I wanted to clean wood or metal, I sure wouldn't use muriatic acid unless I was trying to clean the wood or metal off of something. |
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On Fri, 9 Sep 2011 16:18:59 -0700 (PDT), Frank Foder
wrote: One would think that as the concentration gets lower the price would go down. Nope. Price hasn't changed. The water they use to dilute it must be pretty pricey stuff! In a few months they'll be selling vinegar for $7/gallon. You're paying for packaging and shipping. *They throw in the acid for nothing. Yeah, right. That's why I can now get vinegar for $2/gallon. But, yeah, maybe the muriatic acid comes from Nepal or something. Gasoline costs $3.50/gallon and Perrier is something like $6. Anyone know just how strong the green stuff is? It says not to get it on metal or wood. If I wanted to clean wood or metal, I sure wouldn't use muriatic acid unless I was trying to clean the wood or metal off of something. |
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One would think that as the concentration gets lower the price would
go down. Nope. Price hasn't changed. The water they use to dilute it must be pretty pricey stuff! In a few months they'll be selling vinegar for $7/gallon. You're paying for packaging and shipping. They throw in the acid for nothing. Yeah, right. That's why I can now get vinegar for $2/gallon. But, yeah, maybe the muriatic acid comes from Nepal or something. Gasoline costs $3.50/gallon and Perrier is something like $6. Geez, that's right. That's why Perrier is so expensive. Because they dilute it with that same pricey water! Hard to dilute gasoline with water. That's why it's so cheap by comparison. |
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On Fri, 9 Sep 2011 18:07:41 -0700 (PDT), Frank Foder
wrote: One would think that as the concentration gets lower the price would go down. Nope. Price hasn't changed. The water they use to dilute it must be pretty pricey stuff! In a few months they'll be selling vinegar for $7/gallon. You're paying for packaging and shipping. They throw in the acid for nothing. Yeah, right. That's why I can now get vinegar for $2/gallon. But, yeah, maybe the muriatic acid comes from Nepal or something. Gasoline costs $3.50/gallon and Perrier is something like $6. Geez, that's right. That's why Perrier is so expensive. Because they dilute it with that same pricey water! Hard to dilute gasoline with water. That's why it's so cheap by comparison. No, the dilute gasoline with BOOZE. What a waste. It dilutes the gasoline _and_ makes the vodka undrinkable! Only government could come up with an idea like that. |
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Frank Foder typed: Went to Lowes today to get the good stuff. They now have only "Klean- Strip" brand muriatic acid, which has a bright green label that touts it's environmental safety, and "low fumes". Of course, it doesn't list the concentration. I figured it was diluted. Indeed, I see from the web MSDS sheets that this stuff is "25%" HCl, while the normal stuff is 30%. Grainger seems to sell their own "Green Envy" stuff that's a pathetic 20%. Environmental safety?? Yes, it may be low fumes, but it's also low performance. For those who take deep breaths while bending over muriatic acid, this is the stuff for you! This, of course is the trend in all kinds of solvents and cleaners. The solution to screwing the customer is dilution of the solution. Now think about it; who do you suppose is REALLY behind the changes in dulution? It is not Lowes! |
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