Hi,

I'm thinking about building a ceiling light out of wood. It will weigh
about 10lb. Just wondering - is there any way the conductor could also
carry the mass?

Thanks!

Pavel

"SamTakoy" wrote in message
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Hi,

I'm thinking about building a ceiling light out of wood. It will weigh
about 10lb. Just wondering - is there any way the conductor could also
carry the mass?

Thanks!

Pavel

That's pretty heavy for a cable to carry, why not use a steel cable clipped
to an electrical cable

On May 14, 6:46*pm, "RBM" wrote:
"SamTakoy" wrote in message

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Hi,

I'm thinking about building a ceiling light out of wood. It will weigh
about 10lb. Just wondering - is there any way the conductor could also
carry the mass?

Thanks!

Pavel

That's pretty heavy for a cable to carry, why not use a steel cable clipped
to an electrical cable

Aesthetics. I imagine four supports: three steel cables and one
conductor. So I guess 2.5lb on the conductor... Still a no go?

"SamTakoy" wrote in message
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On May 14, 6:46 pm, "RBM" wrote:
"SamTakoy" wrote in message

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Hi,

I'm thinking about building a ceiling light out of wood. It will weigh
about 10lb. Just wondering - is there any way the conductor could also
carry the mass?

Thanks!

Pavel

That's pretty heavy for a cable to carry, why not use a steel cable
clipped
to an electrical cable

Aesthetics. I imagine four supports: three steel cables and one
conductor. So I guess 2.5lb on the conductor... Still a no go?

They do make fixtures that dangle off of a three conductor plastic cord,
typically only a couple of pounds. If you have multiple cables, they're a
pia to adjust. What about chain or 1/8" threaded pipe

On May 14, 6:35*pm, SamTakoy wrote:
Hi,

I'm thinking about building a ceiling light out of wood. It will weigh
about 10lb. Just wondering - is there any way the conductor could also
carry the mass?

Thanks!

Pavel

I was in a restaraunt the other day where the lights hung from the
ceiling by their power cord, Lamp shades were in the form of some
pretty hefty looking copper pots. Think it was just zip cord.

Jimmie

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On May 14, 6:46 pm, wrote:
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Hi,

I'm thinking about building a ceiling light out of wood. It will weigh
about 10lb. Just wondering - is there any way the conductor could also
carry the mass?

Thanks!

Pavel

That's pretty heavy for a cable to carry, why not use a steel cable
clipped
to an electrical cable

Aesthetics. I imagine four supports: three steel cables and one
conductor. So I guess 2.5lb on the conductor... Still a no go?

They do make fixtures that dangle off of a three conductor plastic cord,
typically only a couple of pounds. If you have multiple cables, they're a
pia to adjust. What about chain or 1/8" threaded pipe


Hi,
Chandelier can weigh quite a bit. Guess it can be done with some sort of
decorative chain?

On May 14, 6:54*pm, "RBM" wrote:
"SamTakoy" wrote in message

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On May 14, 6:46 pm, "RBM" wrote:





"SamTakoy" wrote in message

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Hi,

I'm thinking about building a ceiling light out of wood. It will weigh
about 10lb. Just wondering - is there any way the conductor could also
carry the mass?

Thanks!

Pavel

That's pretty heavy for a cable to carry, why not use a steel cable
clipped
to an electrical cable

Aesthetics. I imagine four supports: three steel cables and one
conductor. So I guess 2.5lb on the conductor... Still a no go?

They do make fixtures that dangle off of a three conductor plastic cord,
typically only a couple of pounds. If you have multiple cables, they're a
pia to adjust. What about chain or 1/8" threaded pipe- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

If you have 3 steel cables, why does the power cable need to
support anything? Just keep the 3 tight and the power just
barely snug.

I recently installed some European contemporary lights that
weighed a couple of pounds. They used a stainless steel
braided conduit, more like a braided 1/4" hose if you will. That
supported the lights, the conductors went inside. Don't
know where you'd find it but something like stainless
hydraulic hose would be similar.

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On May 14, 6:46 pm, "RBM" wrote:





"SamTakoy" wrote in message

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Hi,

I'm thinking about building a ceiling light out of wood. It will weigh
about 10lb. Just wondering - is there any way the conductor could also
carry the mass?

Thanks!

Pavel

That's pretty heavy for a cable to carry, why not use a steel cable
clipped
to an electrical cable

Aesthetics. I imagine four supports: three steel cables and one
conductor. So I guess 2.5lb on the conductor... Still a no go?

They do make fixtures that dangle off of a three conductor plastic cord,
typically only a couple of pounds. If you have multiple cables, they're a
pia to adjust. What about chain or 1/8" threaded pipe- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

If you have 3 steel cables, why does the power cable need to
support anything? Just keep the 3 tight and the power just
barely snug.

I recently installed some European contemporary lights that
weighed a couple of pounds. They used a stainless steel
braided conduit, more like a braided 1/4" hose if you will. That
supported the lights, the conductors went inside. Don't
know where you'd find it but something like stainless
hydraulic hose would be similar.

How do you adjust the height?

On 5/14/2011 7:01 PM, Tony Hwang wrote:


RBM wrote:
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On May 14, 6:46 pm, wrote:
wrote in message

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Hi,

I'm thinking about building a ceiling light out of wood. It will weigh
about 10lb. Just wondering - is there any way the conductor could also
carry the mass?

Thanks!

Pavel

That's pretty heavy for a cable to carry, why not use a steel cable
clipped
to an electrical cable

Aesthetics. I imagine four supports: three steel cables and one
conductor. So I guess 2.5lb on the conductor... Still a no go?

They do make fixtures that dangle off of a three conductor plastic cord,
typically only a couple of pounds. If you have multiple cables, they're a
pia to adjust. What about chain or 1/8" threaded pipe


Hi,
Chandelier can weigh quite a bit. Guess it can be done with some sort of
decorative chain?

They sell power cable with a strain relief string built into it. Of
course it is aimed at industrial use, so it is usually thick and black.
IIRC, it also uses special crimped-on clip doohickeys on the ends. You
have to fold the strain relief strands over, and put them under the clip.

Very similar to the cords they used to use on large power tools and
floor-cleaning equipment.

A real lighting shop (not the big-box) can probably fix you right up.

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On May 14, 6:54 pm, "RBM" wrote:





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On May 14, 6:46 pm, "RBM" wrote:

"SamTakoy" wrote in message

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Hi,

I'm thinking about building a ceiling light out of wood. It will weigh
about 10lb. Just wondering - is there any way the conductor could also
carry the mass?

Thanks!

Pavel

That's pretty heavy for a cable to carry, why not use a steel cable
clipped
to an electrical cable

Aesthetics. I imagine four supports: three steel cables and one
conductor. So I guess 2.5lb on the conductor... Still a no go?

They do make fixtures that dangle off of a three conductor plastic cord,
typically only a couple of pounds. If you have multiple cables, they're a
pia to adjust. What about chain or 1/8" threaded pipe- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

If you have 3 steel cables, why does the power cable need to
support anything? *Just keep the 3 tight and the power just
barely snug.

I recently installed some European contemporary *lights that
weighed a couple of pounds. *They used a stainless steel
braided conduit, more like a braided 1/4" hose if you will. *That
supported the lights, the conductors went inside. *Don't
know where you'd find it but something like stainless
hydraulic hose would be similar.

How do you adjust the height?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You cut the braided conduit to the correct length at the
ceiling end. I left about 6" extra coiled up inside the
escutcheon on the ceiling.

On 5/14/2011 5:46 PM, RBM wrote:
wrote in message
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Hi,

I'm thinking about building a ceiling light out of wood. It will weigh
about 10lb. Just wondering - is there any way the conductor could also
carry the mass?

Thanks!

Pavel

That's pretty heavy for a cable to carry, why not use a steel cable clipped
to an electrical cable


He could use ASCR cable and hang 500lbs if he uses the right size. ^_^

TDD

On 5/14/2011 6:59 PM, aemeijers wrote:
On 5/14/2011 7:01 PM, Tony Hwang wrote:


RBM wrote:
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On May 14, 6:46 pm, wrote:
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Hi,

I'm thinking about building a ceiling light out of wood. It will weigh
about 10lb. Just wondering - is there any way the conductor could also
carry the mass?

Thanks!

Pavel

That's pretty heavy for a cable to carry, why not use a steel cable
clipped
to an electrical cable

Aesthetics. I imagine four supports: three steel cables and one
conductor. So I guess 2.5lb on the conductor... Still a no go?

They do make fixtures that dangle off of a three conductor plastic cord,
typically only a couple of pounds. If you have multiple cables,
they're a
pia to adjust. What about chain or 1/8" threaded pipe


Hi,
Chandelier can weigh quite a bit. Guess it can be done with some sort of
decorative chain?

They sell power cable with a strain relief string built into it. Of
course it is aimed at industrial use, so it is usually thick and black.
IIRC, it also uses special crimped-on clip doohickeys on the ends. You
have to fold the strain relief strands over, and put them under the clip.

Very similar to the cords they used to use on large power tools and
floor-cleaning equipment.

A real lighting shop (not the big-box) can probably fix you right up.

--
aem sends...



Have you ever seen steel reinforced rubber covered mining cable like
that used in underground mines to power excavating machines? :-)

TDD

Needs a hot, a neutral, and a ground. Hot and neutral are
insullated.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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"SamTakoy" wrote in message
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Aesthetics. I imagine four supports: three steel cables and
one
conductor. So I guess 2.5lb on the conductor... Still a no
go?

RBM wrote:

"SamTakoy" wrote in message
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On May 14, 6:46 pm, "RBM" wrote:
"SamTakoy" wrote in message

...

Hi,

I'm thinking about building a ceiling light out of wood. It will weigh
about 10lb. Just wondering - is there any way the conductor could also
carry the mass?

Thanks!

Pavel

That's pretty heavy for a cable to carry, why not use a steel cable
clipped
to an electrical cable

Aesthetics. I imagine four supports: three steel cables and one
conductor. So I guess 2.5lb on the conductor... Still a no go?

They do make fixtures that dangle off of a three conductor plastic cord,
typically only a couple of pounds. If you have multiple cables, they're a
pia to adjust. What about chain or 1/8" threaded pipe

Use low voltage lighting and use two of your stainless steel cables as
the power carriers.

On 5/14/2011 5:49 PM, SamTakoy wrote:
....

Aesthetics. I imagine four supports: three steel cables and one
conductor. So I guess 2.5lb on the conductor... Still a no go?

The tensile strength of the wire wouldn't be the problem; the problem is
ensuring that relieve any possible transfer of tension at all from to
the connections.

One could use a small diameter rod instead of the cable and feed a very
small physical wire down each (assuming this isn't going to be a
lighthouse, 16 ga would likely be adequate).

NEC doesn't address fixtures so it isn't the normal Code that's the
go-to here, but I'm sure UL would have a conniption fit over the idea...

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On Mon, 16 May 2011 03:43:59 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 15 May 2011 02:17:06 -0400, mm
wrote:

On Sat, 14 May 2011 15:35:24 -0700 (PDT), SamTakoy
wrote:

Hi,

I'm thinking about building a ceiling light out of wood. It will weigh
about 10lb. Just wondering - is there any way the conductor could also
carry the mass?

Thanks!

Pavel

Somewhere I have a whole bunch of electic wire that seems to be made
of steel and not copper. It's stranded but doesn't bend easily. The
insulation is black and it's not rubber or vinyl. It looks a little
like black cloth covered in something waterproof. Did I mention that
I got it in 1967? It would hold 20 pounds I'm sure.

It was two pieces intertwined like a hair braid (except with only 2
"ropes", hair won't stay braided), so maybe it wouldnt' be pretty
enough. But the point is it worked well for electricity but either
it had steel in it or something that made it stronger than copper.
Even one strand out of 10 or 20 from the stranded wire was hard to
bend.

I made two long extension cords with it, well long from my perspective
in 1968, when the longest I had seen was probably 15 feet. These were
30 or 50 feet, and one of them I used to run the 1 amp battery charger
on my '50 Olds with a 6 volt battery. I ran the cord from the frat
house pantry to the No Parking except Members sign in back and left it
there for at least 3 months, in rain and under the snow, and never
blew a fuse. The charger sat inside the hood and when I parked, the
cord was easy to find via the grill, and I plugged it in unitl the
next time I left. Charging the 6 volt battery on 6 volts didn't
really work, so I set it to 12 volts and the glass circuit breaker,
that looked like the small glass neon lights, or like the smallest of
the Xmas tree lights, tripped every 11 seconds, and stayed off for 4
seconds, so 4 times a minute, 240 times an hour. 3360 times a day for
100 days is 336,000 times, but still works fine 43 years later. BTW,
it was second hand when I got it from my 80-year old cousin.

What this wire is called or where to get it, I do not know. Mine came
from a big spool used by some utility maybe, maybe the electric
company.

WOW w()W

WoW W O W
wOw
W O W wow
VV ( ) VV

If that wire was from the 60's, the insulation contains LSD.

This probably accounts for all the abnormalities of my posts here and
elsewhere, and everything that ever went wrong in my life.

Especially if it was near a frat house. It sounds to me like you have
been removing that insulation with your teeth when you strip the ends.

No. I used a knife, but I would lick the knife afterwards. It gave me
a special feeling.

All that has to happen is for that insulation to touch your tongue and
you go on a 6 month AcId tRiP. Sounds to me like you're at your
climax right about now.

If you chew that insulation every hour of every day for a year, that
would be 24 chews per day, 8760 chews per year, and if each chew sends
you on an AcId tRiP for 6 months, you'll be TRiPPiN for 4,380 years,
or 58.4 lifetimes. Knowing this, you should be StONeD until the year
6391 (give or take a few years).

Please describe your hallucinations, we all want to know what colors
you are seeing, and I dont mean the common ones like red yellow green
blue etc. Describe the colors that have no names so we can all see
them.....

But I don't know how to describe them. There are a lot of black
letters that change to blue when I click on RPely. What does RPely
mean, anyhow?

And when you begin to see music, and smell the audio
spectrum, please tell us what it's like.

Peace - Love

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P E A C E

Cool man. This month is the 50th anniversary of the Freedom Rides.
Non-violent protest in the face of violence. Cool man.

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On Sun, 15 May 2011 08:41:14 -0500, "Pete C."
wrote:


RBM wrote:

"SamTakoy" wrote in message
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On May 14, 6:46 pm, "RBM" wrote:
"SamTakoy" wrote in message

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Hi,

I'm thinking about building a ceiling light out of wood. It will weigh
about 10lb. Just wondering - is there any way the conductor could also
carry the mass?

Thanks!

Pavel

That's pretty heavy for a cable to carry, why not use a steel cable
clipped
to an electrical cable

Aesthetics. I imagine four supports: three steel cables and one
conductor. So I guess 2.5lb on the conductor... Still a no go?

They do make fixtures that dangle off of a three conductor plastic cord,
typically only a couple of pounds. If you have multiple cables, they're a
pia to adjust. What about chain or 1/8" threaded pipe

Use low voltage lighting and use two of your stainless steel cables as
the power carriers.

Use bicycle brake or shift cables, without the housing. They are
pretty, and I'm pretty sure they conduct electricity well.

In article ,
mm wrote:

Use bicycle brake or shift cables, without the housing. They are
pretty, and I'm pretty sure they conduct electricity well.

Generically, that stuff is called "wire rope."