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Winterizing in the north
Closing a house in the northeast next winter. I will shut off the heat.
I know I have to drain the plumbing, baseboard up stairs and put rv fluid in the drains. What about the boiler in the basement? Will the basement in an unheated house freeze? It gets 20 below zero here but the basement is tight and normally 72 degrees with the heat on. The washer is also in the basement. So what do others do in the north? -- LSMFT Force ****s upon the Back of Reason... Ben Franklin- |
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On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 12:12:07 -0500, LSMFT wrote:
Closing a house in the northeast next winter. I will shut off the heat. I know I have to drain the plumbing, baseboard up stairs and put rv fluid in the drains. What about the boiler in the basement? Will the basement in an unheated house freeze? It gets 20 below zero here but the basement is tight and normally 72 degrees with the heat on. The washer is also in the basement. So what do others do in the north? Never did it myself, but I wouldn't let my house sit over the winter unheated. I'd keep it at least 40F or so, and have somebody check it at least a couple times a week. --Vic |
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On Feb 22, 11:12*am, LSMFT wrote:
Closing a house in the northeast next winter. I will shut off the heat. I know I have to drain the plumbing, baseboard up stairs and put rv fluid in the drains. What about the boiler in the basement? Will the basement in an unheated house freeze? It gets 20 below zero here but the basement is tight and normally 72 degrees with the heat on. The washer is also in the basement. So what do others do in the north? -- LSMFT Force ****s upon the Back of Reason... Ben Franklin- I have a basement with R 20 walls that is really tight but its half above ground and it freezes at -10f. So I would say drain everything, the boiler might be better to use antifreeze so it wont corrode internaly. www.heatinghelp.com is all boiler pros that will help you do whta best. Antifreeze can be used in the whole heating system buy antifreese lowers boiler efficency, but it will stop corrosion which could kill the system early, I have no copper, its all cast iron and steel so corrosion is an issue. just plan that it all freezes |
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On Feb 22, 11:12*am, LSMFT wrote:
Closing a house in the northeast next winter. I will shut off the heat. I know I have to drain the plumbing, baseboard up stairs and put rv fluid in the drains. What about the boiler in the basement? Will the basement in an unheated house freeze? It gets 20 below zero here but the basement is tight and normally 72 degrees with the heat on. The washer is also in the basement. So what do others do in the north? -- LSMFT Force ****s upon the Back of Reason... Ben Franklin- Call your fuel supplier for procedures concerning the boiler. Follow their instructions. Remove the washer and put it in heated storage or follow manufacturers instructions for leaving in place. Otherwise you should be good to go. Usual notification of authorities is wise, ask neighbors to check occasionally. Shut off utilities to site, Joe |
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On Feb 22, 11:28*am, Vic Smith
wrote: On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 12:12:07 -0500, LSMFT wrote: Closing a house in the northeast next winter. I will shut off the heat. I know I have to drain the plumbing, baseboard up stairs and put rv fluid in the drains. What about the boiler in the basement? Will the basement in an unheated house freeze? It gets 20 below zero here but the basement is tight and normally 72 degrees with the heat on. The washer is also in the basement. So what do others do in the north? Never did it myself, but I wouldn't let my house sit over the winter unheated. *I'd keep it at least 40F or so, and have somebody check it at least a couple times a week. --Vic If the power goes out or something breaks at -20 things freeze in hours if its kept at 40, and even at 40 pipes to near to exterior walls can freeze at -20. Relying on a neighbor may also not work. best is winterise everything and shut everything down. |
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On Feb 22, 12:29*pm, Joe wrote:
On Feb 22, 11:12*am, LSMFT wrote: Closing a house in the northeast next winter. I will shut off the heat. I know I have to drain the plumbing, baseboard up stairs and put rv fluid in the drains. What about the boiler in the basement? Will the basement in an unheated house freeze? It gets 20 below zero here but the basement is tight and normally 72 degrees with the heat on. The washer is also in the basement. So what do others do in the north? -- LSMFT Force ****s upon the Back of Reason... Ben Franklin- Call your fuel supplier for procedures concerning the boiler. Follow their instructions. Remove the washer and put it in heated storage or follow manufacturers instructions for leaving in place. Otherwise you should be good to go. Usual notification of authorities is wise, ask neighbors to check occasionally. Shut off utilities to site, Joe Boy I wouldnt let a home freeze for the winter. plaster can spall that is crumble and fall off, any low places in plumbing will freeze, let alone damage risks to washer dishwasher etc. plus the home will look vacant, attracting the wrong element. hot water tanks glass lining can be damaged by super low temp too...... lots of furnishings can be damaged by freezing too did you talk to your insurance agent? a vacant home is a target for arson break ins etc. you must inform your homeowners company who will jack your rate up about 8 times normal to cover ther extra risk. if you fail to inform your homeowners company and a loss occurs they dont have to pay, thats clause is in every contract.. you will have to prove someone was living there hard to do with no heat. and around here the gas company pulls meters for homes shut down. they charge for meter removal and meter replacement and frequently require a pressure test on gas lines, older homes invaribly fail that test. its 90 pounds where normal gas pressure is under a pound or two...... your way better off to get a friend to live there and perhaps pay the utility bills. by the time you pay the increased homeowners you will save very little |
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On Feb 22, 1:04*pm, ransley wrote:
On Feb 22, 11:28*am, Vic Smith wrote: On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 12:12:07 -0500, LSMFT wrote: Closing a house in the northeast next winter. I will shut off the heat.. I know I have to drain the plumbing, baseboard up stairs and put rv fluid in the drains. What about the boiler in the basement? Will the basement in an unheated house freeze? It gets 20 below zero here but the basement is tight and normally 72 degrees with the heat on. The washer is also in the basement. So what do others do in the north? Never did it myself, but I wouldn't let my house sit over the winter unheated. *I'd keep it at least 40F or so, and have somebody check it at least a couple times a week. --Vic If the power goes out or something breaks at -20 things freeze in hours if its kept at 40, and even at 40 pipes to near to exterior walls can freeze at -20. Relying on a neighbor may also not work. best is winterise everything and shut everything down. a vacant home needs a monitored security system ..... 40 is kinda cold 50 degrees is far better |
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... Closing a house in the northeast next winter. I will shut off the heat. I know I have to drain the plumbing, baseboard up stairs and put rv fluid in the drains. What about the boiler in the basement? Will the basement in an unheated house freeze? It gets 20 below zero here but the basement is tight and normally 72 degrees with the heat on. The washer is also in the basement. So what do others do in the north? Most insurance policies require that a house be adequately heated even while unoccupied. Better check yours beforehand. -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) |
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On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 10:04:05 -0800 (PST), ransley
wrote: On Feb 22, 11:28Â*am, Vic Smith wrote: On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 12:12:07 -0500, LSMFT wrote: Closing a house in the northeast next winter. I will shut off the heat. I know I have to drain the plumbing, baseboard up stairs and put rv fluid in the drains. What about the boiler in the basement? Will the basement in an unheated house freeze? It gets 20 below zero here but the basement is tight and normally 72 degrees with the heat on. The washer is also in the basement. So what do others do in the north? Never did it myself, but I wouldn't let my house sit over the winter unheated. Â*I'd keep it at least 40F or so, and have somebody check it at least a couple times a week. --Vic If the power goes out or something breaks at -20 things freeze in hours if its kept at 40, and even at 40 pipes to near to exterior walls can freeze at -20. Relying on a neighbor may also not work. best is winterise everything and shut everything down. Well, you do what you gotta do. Draining, anti-freezing what you can is sure a good idea if you don't heat. I wouldn't worry about anything freezing here at 40F as the heat is pretty consistent on the piping, none close to a touching an outside wall. I don't know what would happen to the water service if I let the temp get to -20F. It's a lead pipe coming a couple feet out of the concrete floor to a valve then the meter, and can't be drained. Meter is full of water and would have to be drained too. I'd be concerned about walls cracking, nails popping, etc. Just something I'd not be willing to do. But you do what you gotta do. Since I haven't done it, I'm just guessing. --Vic |
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On Feb 22, 12:44*pm, aemeijers wrote:
On 2/22/2011 1:13 PM, wrote: On Feb 22, 12:29 pm, *wrote: On Feb 22, 11:12 am, *wrote: Closing a house in the northeast next winter. I will shut off the heat. |
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On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 12:12:07 -0500, LSMFT wrote:
Closing a house in the northeast next winter. I will shut off the heat. I know I have to drain the plumbing, baseboard up stairs and put rv fluid in the drains. What about the boiler in the basement? Will the basement in an unheated house freeze? It gets 20 below zero here but the basement is tight and normally 72 degrees with the heat on. The washer is also in the basement. So what do others do in the north? Our place sat empty over an entire winter in northern MN before we bought it - as far as I know the previous owners just drained the plumbing completely and left it at that. Power was shut off. I don't believe anything special was done to the drains, either (although the outdoor run to the septic system isn't particularly long). Someone did come and check on it every couple of weeks, so it's possible they turned the power back on and ran the electric heaters up, but I'm not sure how much that'd help vs. just keeping the place on tickover anyway. We've got no heat in the basement, but it seems to stay at around 55F year-round no matter what the outdoor temperature - I'm not sure how much further it'd fall if the place were left unheated though (the couple of times we visited prior to buying, the owners had run the furnace up beforehand). I suspect it'd stay above freezing, but possibly not by much. cheers Jules |
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On Feb 23, 9:36*am, LSMFT wrote:
hr(bob) wrote: On Feb 22, 12:44 pm, *wrote: On 2/22/2011 1:13 PM, wrote: On Feb 22, 12:29 pm, * *wrote: On Feb 22, 11:12 am, * *wrote: Closing a house in the northeast next winter. I will shut off the heat. I know I have to drain the plumbing, baseboard up stairs and put rv fluid in the drains. What about the boiler in the basement? Will the basement in an unheated house freeze? It gets 20 below zero here but the basement is tight and normally 72 degrees with the heat on. The washer is also in the basement. So what do others do in the north? -- LSMFT Force ****s upon the Back of Reason... Ben Franklin- Call your fuel supplier for procedures concerning the boiler. Follow their instructions. Remove the washer and put it in heated storage or follow manufacturers instructions for leaving in place. Otherwise you should be good to go. Usual notification of authorities is wise, ask neighbors to check occasionally. Shut off utilities to site, Joe Boy I wouldnt let a home freeze for the winter. plaster can spall that is crumble and fall off, any low places in plumbing will freeze, let alone damage risks to washer dishwasher etc.. plus the home will look vacant, attracting the wrong element. hot water tanks glass lining can be damaged by super low temp too...... lots of furnishings can be damaged by freezing too did you talk to your insurance agent? a vacant home is a target for arson break ins etc. you must inform your homeowners company who will jack your rate up about 8 times normal to cover ther extra risk. if you fail to inform your homeowners company and a loss occurs they dont have to pay, thats clause is in every contract.. you will have to prove someone was living there hard to do with no heat. and around here the gas company pulls meters for homes shut down. they charge for meter removal and meter replacement and frequently require a pressure test on gas lines, older homes invaribly fail that test. its 90 pounds where normal gas pressure is under a pound or two...... your way better off to get a friend to live there and perhaps pay the utility bills. by the time you pay the increased homeowners you will save very little And we have a winner! Houses do not store well at all, especially once they are past a certain age. Try for a trustworthy short-term rental or a house sitter, even if you have to containerize and store all or part of the stuff currently in the house. -- aem sends...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I agree a free house-sitter, chosen carefully on the recommendations of a friend (of yours), is the only realistic way to handle a 3 -4 month vacancy. *You can buy alarms that would alert a neightbor if the temperature got too low, but then you are puitting a lot of responsibility on the neighbor to fix whatever led to the low temperature problem in the first place. Why do you have/want to turn the heat off? *It will cost you more in time and $$$ to do all the work than to just leave the house at a lower temperature, somewhere between 40 and 50 F. Where a barrel of oil is almost $1000 now, I think a little RV fluid is much cheaper. I don't find it difficult to drain pipes, put antifreeze in drains and winterize a washing machine. I don't have plaster walls, it's drywall. How many barrels of oil would it take to keep a house at 50 degrees for six months? -- LSMFT Force ****s upon the Back of Reason... Ben Franklin-- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - not nearly as many as you think.heat cost goes up exponentially with temp wanted. it costs dramatically less to keep a home at 50 than 70 degrees. thats why they always say turn down your thermostat the OP has gas, and gas companies charge a connection charge even if you use zero gas. or they remove the meter and frequently require a whole house pressure test, at high pressure as a safety check. replacing all the gas lines in your home can be very expensive..... of course most people who can afford to be snowbirds should be able to afford a little heat for their vacant home in winter...... |
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, " wrote: not nearly as many as you think.heat cost goes up exponentially with temp wanted. it costs dramatically less to keep a home at 50 than 70 degrees. thats why they always say turn down your thermostat I'd ask the plonkasaurus what her winter heat bill is, since she keeps the house at 50, but I can't, since I disagreed with her once. |
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On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 09:36:46 -0500, LSMFT wrote:
How many barrels of oil would it take to keep a house at 50 degrees for six months? One. Unless you needed a refill wink. A local real estate agent or management company will also have some advice. I'm sure some homes are on the market during winter months, so they would have some helpful information. Six months? Yikes! Former resident of Adirondack Mountains |
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On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 10:27:40 -0800, Smitty Two
wrote: In article , " wrote: not nearly as many as you think.heat cost goes up exponentially with temp wanted. it costs dramatically less to keep a home at 50 than 70 degrees. thats why they always say turn down your thermostat I'd ask the plonkasaurus what her winter heat bill is, since she keeps the house at 50, but I can't, since I disagreed with her once. ....plonkasaurus?! Where? Get the camera... |
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