In article ,
"HeyBub" wrote:

The two soap dispensers on my dishwasher contain 5 tablespoons each of
diswashing powder.

Assuming 1 tbsp of TSP per load, the proper ratio then is 10:1



Bzzzttt. Incorrect. If your dishwasher holds 10 tablespoons, and you
want one of them to be TSP, that's a 9:1 ratio, not 10:1.

Smitty Two wrote:
In article ,
"HeyBub" wrote:

The two soap dispensers on my dishwasher contain 5 tablespoons each
of diswashing powder.

Assuming 1 tbsp of TSP per load, the proper ratio then is 10:1



Bzzzttt. Incorrect. If your dishwasher holds 10 tablespoons, and you
want one of them to be TSP, that's a 9:1 ratio, not 10:1.

I was assuming that one filled the dispensers with powdered or liquid
detergent then flung a teaspoon or tablespoon of TSP into the bowels of the
machine. In so doing, the ratio would be 10:1 (or 30:1).

In article ,
"HeyBub" wrote:

Smitty Two wrote:
In article ,
"HeyBub" wrote:

The two soap dispensers on my dishwasher contain 5 tablespoons each
of diswashing powder.

Assuming 1 tbsp of TSP per load, the proper ratio then is 10:1



Bzzzttt. Incorrect. If your dishwasher holds 10 tablespoons, and you
want one of them to be TSP, that's a 9:1 ratio, not 10:1.

I was assuming that one filled the dispensers with powdered or liquid
detergent then flung a teaspoon or tablespoon of TSP into the bowels of the
machine. In so doing, the ratio would be 10:1 (or 30:1).

I don't own a dishwasher, other than the 1.5 machines that I own in
houses in which I do not live. I thought there was a reason for the soap
containers, to dispense soap at the proper time. Else why not fling the
entire allocation into the bowels of the machine?

On Thu, 17 Feb 2011 21:26:48 -0800, Smitty Two
wrote:
I don't own a dishwasher, other than the 1.5 machines that I own in

Is owning half a machine like having that cow with a window in its
belly so you can see what it's eaten and how far along it is in
digesting it?


houses in which I do not live. I thought there was a reason for the soap
containers, to dispense soap at the proper time. Else why not fling the
entire allocation into the bowels of the machine?

Smitty Two wrote:

I was assuming that one filled the dispensers with powdered or liquid
detergent then flung a teaspoon or tablespoon of TSP into the bowels
of the machine. In so doing, the ratio would be 10:1 (or 30:1).

I don't own a dishwasher, other than the 1.5 machines that I own in
houses in which I do not live. I thought there was a reason for the
soap containers, to dispense soap at the proper time. Else why not
fling the entire allocation into the bowels of the machine?

One dispenser dumps its contents as you close the door. The other on the
subsequent wash cycle.

Not thinking on the project much, I had been broadcasting the TSP additive
into the machine just before closing the door which, of course, limited its
action to the first wash cycle.

UPDATE

To the process of adding TSP to your dishwashing detergent. The previous
method required measuring the quantity of detergent in a new box to
calculate the amount of TSP to add to obtain the proper ration (10:1 -
30:1).

You need not measure the amount of detergent that goes into the mixing bowl
cup-by-cup.

You can measure the box.

Multiply the length x width x height in inches to get the total cubic inches
of detergent. There are almost 0.07 cups per cubic inch. So, if you have a
box that's 10 x 3 x 10", you have 300 cubic inches of stuff or 300 x 0.07 =
21 cups.

For a 10:1 addition, add a scosch more than two cups of TSP to the mix.

HeyBub wrote:
Smitty Two wrote:

I was assuming that one filled the dispensers with powdered or
liquid detergent then flung a teaspoon or tablespoon of TSP into
the bowels of the machine. In so doing, the ratio would be 10:1 (or
30:1).

I don't own a dishwasher, other than the 1.5 machines that I own in
houses in which I do not live. I thought there was a reason for the
soap containers, to dispense soap at the proper time. Else why not
fling the entire allocation into the bowels of the machine?

One dispenser dumps its contents as you close the door. The other on
the subsequent wash cycle.

Not thinking on the project much, I had been broadcasting the TSP
additive into the machine just before closing the door which, of
course, limited its action to the first wash cycle.

UPDATE

To the process of adding TSP to your dishwashing detergent. The
previous method required measuring the quantity of detergent in a new
box to calculate the amount of TSP to add to obtain the proper ration
(10:1 - 30:1).

You need not measure the amount of detergent that goes into the
mixing bowl cup-by-cup.

You can measure the box.

Multiply the length x width x height in inches to get the total cubic
inches of detergent. There are almost 0.07 cups per cubic inch. So,
if you have a box that's 10 x 3 x 10", you have 300 cubic inches of
stuff or 300 x 0.07 = 21 cups.

boxes are frequently not completely filled.

"contents may have settled during shipment"

For a 10:1 addition, add a scosch more than two cups of TSP to the
mix.

On 2/18/2011 6:28 AM, HeyBub wrote:
Smitty Two wrote:

I was assuming that one filled the dispensers with powdered or liquid
detergent then flung a teaspoon or tablespoon of TSP into the bowels
of the machine. In so doing, the ratio would be 10:1 (or 30:1).

I don't own a dishwasher, other than the 1.5 machines that I own in
houses in which I do not live. I thought there was a reason for the
soap containers, to dispense soap at the proper time. Else why not
fling the entire allocation into the bowels of the machine?

One dispenser dumps its contents as you close the door. The other on the
subsequent wash cycle.

Not thinking on the project much, I had been broadcasting the TSP additive
into the machine just before closing the door which, of course, limited its
action to the first wash cycle.

UPDATE

To the process of adding TSP to your dishwashing detergent. The previous
method required measuring the quantity of detergent in a new box to
calculate the amount of TSP to add to obtain the proper ration (10:1 -
30:1).

You need not measure the amount of detergent that goes into the mixing bowl
cup-by-cup.

You can measure the box.

Multiply the length x width x height in inches to get the total cubic inches
of detergent. There are almost 0.07 cups per cubic inch. So, if you have a
box that's 10 x 3 x 10", you have 300 cubic inches of stuff or 300 x 0.07 =
21 cups.

For a 10:1 addition, add a scosch more than two cups of TSP to the mix.



I put ONE cup in my 75oz box and it works just fine. Not sure what the
volume ratio is....

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

mm wrote:

What is all this stuff about adding tsp anyhow? Why? Tri-sodium
phosphate? I thought it was for walls.

Phosphates were removed from diswashing detergents last summer. Dishes are
not getting sparkling clean as a result. Food sticks to fork tines, flatware
is smoky dull, dried scum is abundant.

Adding a smidgen of TSP to the wash restores the luster, the gleam, the
other-worldy beauty to otherwise lifeless eating utensils and dishes.

It's a miracle.

On Feb 22, 9:22*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
mm wrote:

What is all this stuff about adding tsp anyhow? *Why? * Tri-sodium
phosphate? *I thought it was for walls.

Phosphates were removed from diswashing detergents last summer. Dishes are
not getting sparkling clean as a result. Food sticks to fork tines, flatware
is smoky dull, dried scum is abundant.

Adding a smidgen of TSP to the wash restores the luster, the gleam, the
other-worldy beauty to otherwise lifeless eating utensils and dishes.

It's a miracle.

TSP also leaves the interior of the machine sparkling.

honestly i was starting to feel like i was putting my dishes to be
cleaned in a trash compactor......

my machine now sparkles too

mm wrote:

The boxes say to put the pellet in the "main dishwashing detergent
dispenser" but they don't say which one that is.

The first non-detergent cycle is intended to wash off any of the larger food
particles and rinse off anything that will rinse off without detergent. The
second (or third) cycle is when the lid pops open and releases the detergent.
You can put detergent in the open cup if you have a particularly dirty load,
Using only the open cup for detergent is not optimal.

mm wrote:

What is all this stuff about adding tsp anyhow? Why? Tri-sodium
phosphate? I thought it was for walls.

Google is your friend:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.h...ng+tsp&lnk=ol&

On 2/22/2011 9:22 PM, HeyBub wrote:
mm wrote:

What is all this stuff about adding tsp anyhow? Why? Tri-sodium
phosphate? I thought it was for walls.

Phosphates were removed from diswashing detergents last summer. Dishes are
not getting sparkling clean as a result. Food sticks to fork tines, flatware
is smoky dull, dried scum is abundant.

Adding a smidgen of TSP to the wash restores the luster, the gleam, the
other-worldy beauty to otherwise lifeless eating utensils and dishes.

It's a miracle.


Shrug. I rinse dishes before I stack them in the sink, and load/run the
dishwasher maybe once a week. I've never noticed any problems with
current-issue liquid dishwasher soap.

--
aem sends...

On Feb 23, 6:54*pm, aemeijers wrote:
On 2/22/2011 9:22 PM, HeyBub wrote: mm wrote:

What is all this stuff about adding tsp anyhow? *Why? * Tri-sodium
phosphate? *I thought it was for walls.

Phosphates were removed from diswashing detergents last summer. Dishes are
not getting sparkling clean as a result. Food sticks to fork tines, flatware
is smoky dull, dried scum is abundant.

Adding a smidgen of TSP to the wash restores the luster, the gleam, the
other-worldy beauty to otherwise lifeless eating utensils and dishes.

It's a miracle.

Shrug. I rinse dishes before I stack them in the sink, and load/run the
dishwasher maybe once a week. I've never noticed any problems with
current-issue liquid dishwasher soap.

--
aem sends...

i stuff them in the machine as they get dirty and dont rinse.

why waste the water?

aemeijers wrote:



Shrug. I rinse dishes before I stack them in the sink, and load/run
the dishwasher maybe once a week. I've never noticed any problems with
current-issue liquid dishwasher soap.

Yep, that'll work.

There are those of us, however, who do not wash dishes before we put them in
the dish washer. Neither do we hone our skill on hand-sawing boards before
activating the Skil saw. We do not mow the lawn with a pair of scissors
before breaking out the lawn mower.

I understand washing dishes by hand because they weren't getting clean in
the dishwasher. Try NOT hand washing and adding TSP to the machine.

On 2/23/2011 9:05 PM, HeyBub wrote:
aemeijers wrote:



Shrug. I rinse dishes before I stack them in the sink, and load/run
the dishwasher maybe once a week. I've never noticed any problems with
current-issue liquid dishwasher soap.

Yep, that'll work.

There are those of us, however, who do not wash dishes before we put them in
the dish washer. Neither do we hone our skill on hand-sawing boards before
activating the Skil saw. We do not mow the lawn with a pair of scissors
before breaking out the lawn mower.

I understand washing dishes by hand because they weren't getting clean in
the dishwasher. Try NOT hand washing and adding TSP to the machine.



Don't read more into my post than what I put in it. I RINSE them, I do
not WASH them, before stacking them in other side of sink. As in 'run
the side the food touched under the running water one pass'. I do this
just to keep the stink down until I load the dishwasher. I keep them
topside in sink so that I remember to run dishwasher. I also don't
bother to UNload dishwasher until I need to run another load. Living
alone and only eating maybe a dozen meals a week at home, I don't
generate dishes very fast, so NOT rinsing them is not a good option- no
DW can be expected to clean dried concrete very well.

Not slamming anyone who needs spiked DW detergents due to their habits
and/or local water peculiarities. Just saying that with the water I have
here, and my cheapy entry-level DW and lousy water pressure, liquid
Cascade (I think, the bottle is green) works fine. I only fill the
dispenser cup about 2/3 full, and don't use any rinse agents or
anything. I also keep 'auto dry' turned off, and just crack the door
after cycle ends. Perhaps baking the wet dishes is one thing that
promotes spots? Not curious enough to experiment.

--
aem sends...

In article ,
aemeijers wrote:



Not slamming anyone who needs spiked DW detergents due to their habits
and/or local water peculiarities. Just saying that with the water I have
here, and my cheapy entry-level DW and lousy water pressure, liquid
Cascade (I think, the bottle is green) works fine. I only fill the
dispenser cup about 2/3 full, and don't use any rinse agents or
anything. I also keep 'auto dry' turned off, and just crack the door
after cycle ends. Perhaps baking the wet dishes is one thing that
promotes spots? Not curious enough to experiment.

Perhaps you're using an old bottle of Cascade, bought before the
phosphates were removed. The need for phosphate is not based on
"habits." It's based on the fact that phosphates are what does the
cleaning. We aren't talking about "spots."

On 2/24/2011 6:59 AM, Smitty Two wrote:
In articlek5GdnRgOvdQmhPvQnZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@giganews. com,
wrote:



Not slamming anyone who needs spiked DW detergents due to their habits
and/or local water peculiarities. Just saying that with the water I have
here, and my cheapy entry-level DW and lousy water pressure, liquid
Cascade (I think, the bottle is green) works fine. I only fill the
dispenser cup about 2/3 full, and don't use any rinse agents or
anything. I also keep 'auto dry' turned off, and just crack the door
after cycle ends. Perhaps baking the wet dishes is one thing that
promotes spots? Not curious enough to experiment.

Perhaps you're using an old bottle of Cascade, bought before the
phosphates were removed. The need for phosphate is not based on
"habits." It's based on the fact that phosphates are what does the
cleaning. We aren't talking about "spots."

I'll bet that's exactly what he's got. My son has a HUGE box of "pre
destruction" powder I'm thinking about stealing when he's not looking.

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

Steve Barker wrote:
On 2/24/2011 6:59 AM, Smitty Two wrote:
In articlek5GdnRgOvdQmhPvQnZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@giganews. com,
wrote:



Not slamming anyone who needs spiked DW detergents due to their
habits and/or local water peculiarities. Just saying that with the
water I have here, and my cheapy entry-level DW and lousy water
pressure, liquid Cascade (I think, the bottle is green) works fine.
I only fill the dispenser cup about 2/3 full, and don't use any
rinse agents or anything. I also keep 'auto dry' turned off, and
just crack the door after cycle ends. Perhaps baking the wet dishes
is one thing that promotes spots? Not curious enough to experiment.

Perhaps you're using an old bottle of Cascade, bought before the
phosphates were removed. The need for phosphate is not based on
"habits." It's based on the fact that phosphates are what does the
cleaning. We aren't talking about "spots."

I'll bet that's exactly what he's got. My son has a HUGE box of "pre
destruction" powder I'm thinking about stealing when he's not looking.

Not necessary. With your own box of detergent, a $2.50 box of TSP, and a
mixing bowl, you can create your own "dad's special formula".

On Feb 24, 10:55*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
Steve Barker wrote:
On 2/24/2011 6:59 AM, Smitty Two wrote:
In articlek5GdnRgOvdQmhPvQnZ2dnUVZ_vidn...@giganews. com,
* *wrote:

Not slamming anyone who needs spiked DW detergents due to their
habits and/or local water peculiarities. Just saying that with the
water I have here, and my cheapy entry-level DW and lousy water
pressure, liquid Cascade (I think, the bottle is green) works fine.
I only fill the dispenser cup about 2/3 full, and don't use any
rinse agents or anything. I also keep 'auto dry' turned off, and
just crack the door after cycle ends. Perhaps baking the wet dishes
is one thing that promotes spots? Not curious enough to experiment.

Perhaps you're using an old bottle of Cascade, bought before the
phosphates were removed. The need for phosphate is not based on
"habits." It's based on the fact that phosphates are what does the
cleaning. We aren't talking about "spots."

I'll bet that's exactly what he's got. *My son has a HUGE box of "pre
destruction" powder I'm thinking about stealing when he's not looking.

Not necessary. With your own box of detergent, a $2.50 box of TSP, and a
mixing bowl, you can create your own "dad's special formula".- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

dont make this more copmplex than necessary,

just put in regular detergent, add some tsp to the dispenser, and i
dump a little in the main machine.

exact quanties, fancy ixing and measuring arent really necessary

On 2/24/2011 9:55 PM, HeyBub wrote:
Steve Barker wrote:
On 2/24/2011 6:59 AM, Smitty Two wrote:
In articlek5GdnRgOvdQmhPvQnZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@giganews. com,
wrote:



Not slamming anyone who needs spiked DW detergents due to their
habits and/or local water peculiarities. Just saying that with the
water I have here, and my cheapy entry-level DW and lousy water
pressure, liquid Cascade (I think, the bottle is green) works fine.
I only fill the dispenser cup about 2/3 full, and don't use any
rinse agents or anything. I also keep 'auto dry' turned off, and
just crack the door after cycle ends. Perhaps baking the wet dishes
is one thing that promotes spots? Not curious enough to experiment.

Perhaps you're using an old bottle of Cascade, bought before the
phosphates were removed. The need for phosphate is not based on
"habits." It's based on the fact that phosphates are what does the
cleaning. We aren't talking about "spots."

I'll bet that's exactly what he's got. My son has a HUGE box of "pre
destruction" powder I'm thinking about stealing when he's not looking.

Not necessary. With your own box of detergent, a $2.50 box of TSP, and a
mixing bowl, you can create your own "dad's special formula".



oh i know, that's what i'm already doing. As a matter of fact, i just
mixed up a new box today.

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

On 2/24/2011 10:40 PM, wrote:
On Feb 24, 10:55 pm, wrote:
Steve Barker wrote:
On 2/24/2011 6:59 AM, Smitty Two wrote:
In articlek5GdnRgOvdQmhPvQnZ2dnUVZ_vidn...@giganews. com,
wrote:

Not slamming anyone who needs spiked DW detergents due to their
habits and/or local water peculiarities. Just saying that with the
water I have here, and my cheapy entry-level DW and lousy water
pressure, liquid Cascade (I think, the bottle is green) works fine.
I only fill the dispenser cup about 2/3 full, and don't use any
rinse agents or anything. I also keep 'auto dry' turned off, and
just crack the door after cycle ends. Perhaps baking the wet dishes
is one thing that promotes spots? Not curious enough to experiment.

Perhaps you're using an old bottle of Cascade, bought before the
phosphates were removed. The need for phosphate is not based on
"habits." It's based on the fact that phosphates are what does the
cleaning. We aren't talking about "spots."

I'll bet that's exactly what he's got. My son has a HUGE box of "pre
destruction" powder I'm thinking about stealing when he's not looking.

Not necessary. With your own box of detergent, a $2.50 box of TSP, and a
mixing bowl, you can create your own "dad's special formula".- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

dont make this more copmplex than necessary,

just put in regular detergent, add some tsp to the dispenser, and i
dump a little in the main machine.

exact quanties, fancy ixing and measuring arent really necessary

I just dumped the box in a bowl, added a cup of tsp, stirred it with a
holy spoon, and put the **** back in the box. Took all of 3 minutes.

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

Steve Barker wrote:

Not necessary. With your own box of detergent, a $2.50 box of TSP,
and a mixing bowl, you can create your own "dad's special formula".



oh i know, that's what i'm already doing. As a matter of fact, i
just mixed up a new box today.

Cool.

It's still amazing. I can look in the silverware drawer and spot (no pun
intended) those spoons that were washed most recently. The ones that were
washed last Thanksgiving - when we had several guests - are about to die of
shame. Cloudy shame.